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Noob Question.
« on: May 31, 2016, 01:43:50 pm »
Good day,

I am stressing a bit about the developments in SA. How can one take a lump sum out of SA or would be the best option? Would the DBX-WLD tracker be such an option?

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Re: Noob Question.
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2016, 02:14:33 pm »
Good day,

I am stressing a bit about the developments in SA. How can one take a lump sum out of SA or would be the best option? Would the DBX-WLD tracker be such an option?

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the dbx wld will be a way to safeguard against ZAR devaluing against the dollar yes. but you cant "Draw" it out if you are overseas. thus the cash is technically still in south africa.

you can use global accounts, which should be available at most banks i think., but for now your best option is to put it into the DBX world, and then to draw out as needed- or cashing out completely should you need to skip country.

i am also interested to see what other options there are otherwise.

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2016, 02:44:50 pm »
Was not feeling to cr :wall: ppy today, till I read this thread. ^%$# me, now I am depressed.

before you shout at me, I know what you say makes sense.....
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2016, 03:32:25 pm »
Good day,

I am stressing a bit about the developments in SA. How can one take a lump sum out of SA or would be the best option? Would the DBX-WLD tracker be such an option?

Regards

the dbx wld will be a way to safeguard against ZAR devaluing against the dollar yes. but you cant "Draw" it out if you are overseas. thus the cash is technically still in south africa.

you can use global accounts, which should be available at most banks i think., but for now your best option is to put it into the DBX world, and then to draw out as needed- or cashing out completely should you need to skip country.

i am also interested to see what other options there are otherwise.

Your best bet unless you have sizable lump sums you can take over with a global account and invest abroad. Problem with using the DBXWD or similar ETFs/ETNs is the tax implications. You'll be hit with capital gains at the very least.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2016, 03:47:07 pm »
It doesn't make a lot of sense to invest in locally denominated foreign shares as upon sale the proceeds are paid out in Rand even though you gain on the exchange difference.
The true way to get funds offshore is to open the required bank/broker accounts and physically move funds to these accounts - SAB gives quite reasonable limits for this purpose. When it comes to tax you are required to declare your worldly assets. The only aspect I am unclear on is whether you still have the same rules that apply regarding how long you are required to hold shares before being categorised as a trader. If there are no such restrictions overseas and all you have to do is declare your worldly assets then in theory you could trade with your overseas funds and hold you local portfolio to fit the 3 year window period to only incur CGT rather than income tax     
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 04:27:25 pm »
As you are tax resident in SA, you will pay income tax on your world wide trading. You will be applying your mind and effort in SA for the trading and that is where you will be taxed.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2016, 12:05:53 pm »
Thank you for the input much appreciated. What about Standard Banks Optimum Account?

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2016, 12:35:05 pm »
As you are tax resident in SA, you will pay income tax on your world wide trading. You will be applying your mind and effort in SA for the trading and that is where you will be taxed.
According to my ITR12 return it calls for a declaration on foreign investment interest income. Further under CGT it calls for local gains and losses in Rand, no mention of foreign CGT gains/losses over base figure. So either SARS or I have to activate foreign CGT operations. So not sure whether I really need to report activity on transactions in foreign currencies
May need to talk to a tax expert
 
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2016, 01:21:37 pm »
As you are tax resident in SA, you will pay income tax on your world wide trading. You will be applying your mind and effort in SA for the trading and that is where you will be taxed.
According to my ITR12 return it calls for a declaration on foreign investment interest income. Further under CGT it calls for local gains and losses in Rand, no mention of foreign CGT gains/losses over base figure. So either SARS or I have to activate foreign CGT operations. So not sure whether I really need to report activity on transactions in foreign currencies
May need to talk to a tax expert

As from 1 October 2001, Capital Gains Tax (CGT) applies to a resident’s worldwide
assets and to a non-resident’s immovable property or assets of a permanent
establishment in South Africa.

All capital gain transactions must be declared. Local and foreign transactions should be declared separately, with the exception of the disposal of shares which can be grouped together per certificate received.

The income tax return makes provision for you to declare ten local and ten foreign capital gain or loss transactions, therefore requiring you to declare each transaction separately. Where multiple disposals of shares (that is administered by a single administrator) take place and the disposal of such shares are reported on a single certificate, the disposals reflected on the certificate can be treated as one disposal