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Re: Long Term Portfolios.
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2015, 10:23:29 am »
When do you decide that a long term investment is not performing and time to get rid?

I bought A Gray Orbis Global Equity Feeder Fund in Apr 2014 at R38.33 but to date it's return has been abysmal and was at only R39.42 yesterday! I know this is a long term investment but would have expected a decent growth by now maybe in the region of 10%+ and also bought Coronation Industrial Fund at the same time at R138.95 and sitting at R167.13 yesterday so around +21% so far.

Hold STXIND too bought at R51.24 and doing well at around R64 to date so up 25% my thinking is to sell AG and invest more in the INDI? Am I being too hasty and should I wait to give AG more time to perform? 

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 01:31:26 pm »
Difficult question. AG Global is almost at the very bottom in its sector of +- 380 funds performance wise. Prior to 2014, it performed at around 30% pa so it might be a gamble to sell now.
I started here with nothing and still have most of it left.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 02:45:23 pm »
Hi Orca, yes that was why I bought in Apr last year looking at the +30% gains but I'm tempted to sell and get into the Indi if it pulls back a bit - do you see that happening in the short term?

Did you ever invest further in the Indi as I remember you saying you would put everything into it?

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 02:53:29 pm »
Not yet as I'm waiting for the Portuguese IRS tax exemption.
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2015, 02:56:49 pm »
Saw on Equinox yesterday that AG Global's 12 mth performance was +0.55%!!   :mad:

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 03:14:23 pm »
The INDI has woken from its slumber. Broke through the resistance line some days ago and this uptrend was confirmed by the MACD crossover.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2015, 04:37:28 pm »
So im looking to add to my either my existing stocks or new ones.
Which of the following would you say are trading at a nice price.

APN (current price 38941 ) (After the GSK share dump, but there will be a second dump in june/july, a read somewhere, so wait till then?) *thanks jaDEB
ADI (current price 970 ) 
AFH (current price 989 )     (Almost back at 2014 levels)

or maybe some overseas REITS ?
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2015, 05:05:52 pm »
you mean APN. not ASP.  :question:

Britain’s biggest drugmaker will remain a 6.2% shareholder in Aspen and has undertaken not to sell any more shares in the South African group for 180 days.

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Re: Long Term Portfolios.
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2015, 05:26:08 pm »
180 days, basically six months, even if the share price goes back up to previous levels, they can cause a tumble, in about six moths time again, so the question is wait till then or buy now?

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2015, 05:51:50 pm »
 :( I already bought @ R440 per share. But will be keeping it, as their previous results was good. When to buy I suppose is up to you, I have noticed that APN is in the Top traded by value list, where it was not usually.

LONDON — GlaxoSmithKline has taken profits in Aspen Pharmacare by selling half its stake in the South African drugmaker for $853m, following a long investment in the firm.

The sale, which was conducted through a share placing at a discount to the market price, is the latest example of GSK pruning non-core investments as it refocuses its business and works to protect its sizeable dividend payments to shareholders.

Britain’s biggest drugmaker will remain a 6.2% shareholder in Aspen and has undertaken not to sell any more shares in the South African group for 180 days.

GSK said on Friday it had sold 28.2-million Aspen shares at R372 each, compared to Thursday’s closing price of 406.5.

The sale was handled by Citi and UBS.

In November 2013, GSK sold another similar sized tranche of Aspen stock for R250 a share.

Simon Dingemans, GSK’s chief financial officer, said the disposal would help give his company flexibility to invest in new opportunities in the wake of a $20bn-plus asset swap transaction with Novartis.

"As we continue to reshape the group around our core franchises and drive the benefits from the Novartis transaction, optimising our financial flexibility to invest behind these priorities is key," he said in a statement.

"As a result we have decided now is the right time to realise further value from this successful relationship. We continue to believe in the strategy of Aspen and we remain committed to working together in the future."

GSK said that the net profit on the disposal would not be included in core operating profit and core earnings in 2015, and GSK would no longer account for Aspen as an associate.

However, the British group’s head of strategy, David Redfern, who was recently appointed as GSK’s nominee director on Aspen’s board to replace GSK president of pharmaceuticals Abbas Hussain, will remain a director, Aspen said.

GSK has been suffering from weak sales of its key respiratory drugs in the past year, especially in the US, and has implemented a £1bn cost-cutting programme.

It is also considering an initial public offering for its majority-owned HIV unit, known as ViiV Healthcare. But plans to sell a portfolio of older drugs were dropped in December
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Re: Long Term Portfolios.
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2015, 05:37:10 pm »
Topped up on APN. bring my avg price down to 392 ish , so im very happy that it is under 400. :)

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2015, 06:03:39 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2015, 08:21:00 am »
Aspen to me is always going to be a share for the long haul, along with other health care shares. The p/e is high, but it has history on it's side. Does anyone know what it's income breakdown local to foreign is?

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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2015, 09:20:41 am »
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS

Revenue in the International business was 158% higher at R8.8 billion and performance was boosted by the inclusion of the significant transactions completed during the previous financial year.

Revenue from the Europe CIS business climbed 229% to R5.1 billion from finished dose form pharmaceuticals and active pharmaceutical ingredient sales.

Revenue in Latin America advanced 118% to R2.6 billion, largely driven by the recent infant milk formula acquisition, while sales to customers in the Rest of the World were up 36% to R0.9 billion.

Capital expenditure projects are continuing at Aspen Oss in the Netherlands and at the French-based Aspen Notre Dame de Bondeville site.

ASIA PACIFIC BUSINESS

Revenue in the Asia Pacific region was 3% higher at R4.4 billion where the Nutritionals products led the way with strong double-digit growth. Sales to customers in Asia continued on an impressive growth trajectory, doubling to R0.6 billion.

SOUTH AFRICAN BUSINESS

As the ongoing leading pharmaceutical manufacturer in the country, revenue in the South African business grew by 12% to R4.3 billion. Private sector pharmaceutical sales increased 10% through a combination of organic growth and new product launches. Sales in the public sector were flat. The consumer division raised revenue by 30%, led by the Nutritionals products with Infacare achieving an increase in its share of this category.

The capital expenditure projects at the Port Elizabeth finished dose form manufacturing site and the Cape Town API manufacturing site are progressing well.

SUB-SAHARAN BUSINESS

In Sub-Saharan Africa, revenue improved by 5% to R1.5 billion. Margin improvement initiatives yielded positive results and lifted EBITA 12% to R210 million. 
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 08:25:26 am »
Thanks Jadeb, that's what I was looking for. Good growth away from SA should hold value for the future. Still a favourite of mine.