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Shares / Re: Living off Dividends.
« on: September 28, 2013, 09:41:00 am »
No Patrick. My calculations are correct. There is no CGT if you withdraw monthly. It is income and tax is paid at your tax margin as revenue.
You are retired and withdraw monthly for income. It will not be CGT.

What's the cut off point? What if you withdraw every 3 months? or 6 months?

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Shares / Re: Living off Dividends.
« on: September 27, 2013, 08:05:33 pm »
Now that first calculation was based on R350k withdrawals py. As you age, the less you spend. If I were to stay in SA then my circumstances would warrant a R18 000 pm withdrawal or R216 000 py. The divies will be an extra bonus.

Started with R667K and made 200% gains then retired. You will now have R2m.

The R667K bought you 20 000 shares in ABC.

R667 000.00/20 000 = Base Cost of R33.35 ps

Now your R2m will have a market value of R2m/20 000 shares = R100

Sell 2160 shares at R100 ps = R216 000

Cost price of 2160 shares at R33.35 = R72 036

Gain is R216 000 - R72 036 = R143 964

Tax = R14 474

Older than 65.

Tax = R8 084

From this you can deduct internet costs, a portion of your laptop cost and medical expenses. So on R18K pm plus divies you will pay less than R1 000 pm tax.

I think you're forgetting something. The gain was R143 964. Capital gains means only 33% of that is taxed so income for the year is: R47 988...

That's well below the R67k threshold, so you'd effectively pay no tax.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: September 27, 2013, 10:37:23 am »
I own quite a few sgl in real trade so I hope you win the competition.

Am wondering what to do with the dividend out soon

You must be quite happy watching jaDEB's ever increasing lead!

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Shares / Re: Living off Dividends.
« on: September 26, 2013, 03:57:49 pm »
Great post, I could live tax free!  :TU:

I think there may be a new blog coming  ;D

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Shares / Re: Living off Dividends.
« on: September 25, 2013, 10:36:52 am »
Since I know you like charts, here's the satrix indi vs divi over the last 5 years. Interestingly the divi was in the lead until Feb 2012, andyou need to remember it was also paying out at least double the dividends, so the lead could have been even bigger. Not sure why it hit such a slow note in 2012/02.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: Blog post: The only way to get rich.
« on: September 23, 2013, 06:27:01 pm »
A good, well written article. Did you copy that or write it yourself Patrick?

What Index funds do you have in mind?

Yeah I wrote it. Just note, the SAFEMAX was calculated using a mix of stocks, bonds and cash. Going all equity would give you a higher SAFEMAX, but the experts incorrrectly consider that higher risk. The 4% figure I consider a pessimistic safe figure for myself.

For my ETFs I'll most likely go for a mix of INDI, midcap and something based on the US all share. I haven't worked out what ratios yet though.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: September 23, 2013, 02:38:57 pm »
I'm going to try sticking to Warren Buffett's holding period, no tax that way  :TU: (obviously aside from dividends witholding...)
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In 1988 we made major purchases of Federal Home Loan Mortgage Pfd. (“Freddie Mac”) and Coca Cola.  We expect to hold these securities for a long time.  In fact, when we own portions of outstanding businesses with outstanding managements, our favorite holding period is forever.  We are just the opposite of those who hurry to sell and book profits when companies perform well but who tenaciously hang on to businesses that disappoint.
From: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1988.html

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The Investor Challenge / Now displaying dividend history
« on: September 23, 2013, 10:58:26 am »
I've added the dividend history to the holdings pages. If you should have received a dividend that hasn't been paid, please go to this thread to see what to do:
http://www.shareforum.co.za/shares/ldt/

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Shares / Re: Graph of the ALSI very long term
« on: September 21, 2013, 11:32:21 pm »
that chart looks frightening to me. Gone up too fast and too high again. The 28000 mark looks like where she should be.

28000? Compounding is exponential, not linear 8)

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Shares / Re: Graph of the ALSI very long term
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:57:15 am »
Something I never knew. The ALSI isn't in fact every share on the JSE, but just the 164 largest companies: http://www.fin24.com/Money/Money-Clinic/Investments/Calculating-the-JSE-All-Share-index-20130625

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Shares / SNT
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:44:00 am »
SNT 242 cents - LDT: 2013-09-20

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Shares / SAC
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:43:28 am »
SAC 16 cents - LDT: 2013-09-20

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Shares / IPL
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:42:24 am »
IPL 440 cents - LDT: 2013-09-20

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Shares / HYP
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:41:58 am »
HYP 213 cents - LDT: 2013-09-20

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Shares / GRF
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:41:26 am »
GRF 35 cents - LDT: 2013-09-20

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