Its true gcr, traders trade on market trend and psychology whereas investors invest on value. Traders go for high risk, high reward in the shortest period of time whereas investors prefer relatively lower risk in quality stocks over a long period of time. Both have merit and both requires research, savvy and skill imo. That’s why I find “The Challenge” invaluable. It’s trading/investing with training-wheels-on in a safe but real-life environment where you can test your own strategies, even if it means hanging out in the same pond with others who trade and/or invest. Oh, and did I mention it is free. Market makers give you two free weeks with virtual money and then you have to go live with real money and real risk. To split it would be a nightmare I think, investing for 3-5 yrs is medium term investing, and if you really want to trade you’ll have to bring in geared options as well, talk about horrifying nightmare. Think it’s just a question of practically to be honest and I also think it serves its original purpose, (training/learning) with other like-minded individuals, with flying colors. But you are right, trading will always win the battle in short term money making. Come on gcr, come over to the dark side and trade with us, even if its only here on “The Challenge”. Never too young to learn, never too old to change.