Author Topic: Live chat  (Read 2977947 times)

Moneypenny

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1891
  • Karma: +37/-0
    • View Profile
    • Bu Valiere
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4815 on: November 03, 2016, 09:57:12 am »
I have a feeling the ZAR was dissapointed with the wording of the state capture. It's full of "may be"s  and "appears to be" rather than being direct.

You can not be direct, even when they catch a hijacker or murderer red handed it is always 'alleged' hijacker or 'alleged' murderer.  Apparently one is innocent until proven guilty even in obvious cases.

Patrick

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2552
  • Karma: +47/-2
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4816 on: November 04, 2016, 07:54:57 am »
True, the more I read, the more I believe she made the right decision. She seems to have set Zuma up to hang himself, with practically no way to use his usual delaying/diverting/picking lackey methods: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2016-11-03-can-zuma-use-the-law-to-avoid-the-consequences-of-madonselas-report/

Samurai

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
  • Karma: +1/-0
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4817 on: November 04, 2016, 12:33:07 pm »
Assuming we all will have hangovers tomorrow?

jaDEB

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4553
  • Karma: +31/-3
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4818 on: November 04, 2016, 12:47:28 pm »
lol - or cry . South Africa prosecutor says probe on Gordhan's role in 'spy unit' advanced
jaDEB

If it scares you, it's a sign you need to do it

gcr

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1008
  • Karma: +28/-1
    • View Profile
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4819 on: November 04, 2016, 03:21:26 pm »
lol - or cry . South Africa prosecutor says probe on Gordhan's role in 'spy unit' advanced
Isn't this just crazy - and not one MP had the gumption to ask Abrahams when he is re instituting the 783 charges against Zuma - and he says he is not captured - boet this guy is in a straight jwcket
Not everything that counts, can be counted, and, not everything that can be counted counts - Albert Einstein

Moonraker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1095
  • Karma: +31/-0
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4820 on: November 04, 2016, 03:26:03 pm »
Z . can appoint the judge overseing the judicial commission  of enquiry asked for by Madonsela. Can you believe it !

Patrick

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2552
  • Karma: +47/-2
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4821 on: November 04, 2016, 03:48:25 pm »
Has something changed? I thought chief justice was appointing the judge.

Moonraker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1095
  • Karma: +31/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4822 on: November 04, 2016, 04:08:49 pm »
Patrick, I don't know, as Z. usually has the right to appoint. Maybe not in this case. See below. (From Daily Maverick - Pierre de Vos)

Usually the president has the discretion under section 84(2)(f) of the Constitution to appoint commissions of inquiry. The remedial action now fetters this discretion. The question a court will have to answer is whether the special circumstances of this case render this fettering of the president’s constitutional powers constitutionally valid or not. Is it permissible – in these extraordinary circumstances in which the president is being implicated in breaches of the Ethics Act and in possible corruption – for the Public Protector to restrict the constitutional powers of the President?

The problem faced in this case is that there are excellent reasons why the president should not have the discretion to appoint a judge of his choice to head a commission of inquiry to investigate matters delineated by the president. The president is conflicted as he is implicated in wrongdoing which would have to be investigated by the commission of inquiry. It is inevitable that if his discretion is not fettered he would appoint a judge he perceived to be sympathetic to him. This conflict of interest would almost certainly invalidate the entire commission.

gcr

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1008
  • Karma: +28/-1
    • View Profile
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4823 on: November 04, 2016, 04:36:17 pm »
If you read Wikipedia it makes for interesting reading she has legal degrees and has been awarded doctorates. She was part of the team that drafted the constitution and. She was a member of the SA Law Commission from 2007 until being made PP. So I think she knows her way around the law and the constitution. So in reality Zuma has to appoint a commission within 30 days, but, can't appoint the presiding judge that has to be appointed by the chief justice. I doubt that Zuma will contest this as the Con Court has already ruled that Zuma has not upheld the constitution.
She has proven to be a very clever lady whilst PP and certainly know the lie of the land
Not everything that counts, can be counted, and, not everything that can be counted counts - Albert Einstein

Moonraker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1095
  • Karma: +31/-0
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4824 on: November 04, 2016, 05:10:40 pm »
OK, thanks - that sounds better.

Patrick

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2552
  • Karma: +47/-2
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4825 on: November 07, 2016, 02:52:45 pm »
So on Friday Shaun the sheep says the rogue unit investigations are very advanced. Then on Sunday city press reports he'll be arrested before christmas. Now today the NPA claims the following: "The article, in so far as it relates to the NPA, is entirely without merit. The investigations are currently underway and are believed to be at an advance stage." What the hell does that mean?

gcr

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1008
  • Karma: +28/-1
    • View Profile
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4826 on: November 07, 2016, 04:11:35 pm »
Normally to become and advocate you have to do some serious studying, have to take articles, and practice as an attorney before you are admitted to the bar. Clear shaun the sheep went to the wrong bar and the bar man gave him a cheap advocaats certificate. The justice system seems to have overlooked checking out his qualification because the types of errors he has made would not be stand even a candidate attorney in god stead - if fact they would probably be fired
Not everything that counts, can be counted, and, not everything that can be counted counts - Albert Einstein

Patrick

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2552
  • Karma: +47/-2
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4827 on: November 07, 2016, 07:36:26 pm »
R13.34...

Nios

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 124
  • Karma: +3/-1
    • View Profile
Live chat
« Reply #4828 on: November 07, 2016, 08:40:19 pm »
@Patrick, is your Compound interest calculator coded to compound monthly or annually?

Orca

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2280
  • Karma: +54/-3
    • View Profile
Re: Live chat
« Reply #4829 on: November 07, 2016, 11:20:36 pm »
ZAR has reached the level from a year ago but is at a resistance level now and will probably get stuck here.   
I started here with nothing and still have most of it left.