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Orca

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« Reply #4380 on: July 18, 2016, 11:32:01 am »
No yields seen in developed markets. http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/jse-sees-record-foreign-buying/
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« Reply #4381 on: July 18, 2016, 06:03:31 pm »
@Patrick, could you show me how it all works out with Magash and similar with borrowed money?

He was able to buy R1 619 789,75 worth of ACL, where he should have been able to buy R966 997,82 worth of it (just that total minus his -R652k).

Now ACL is up 8.16%, so he's made R132 174,84 profit.  Whereas he should have only been able to make R78 907,02.  Thats a gain of R53k for nothing.

So when you say it'll all even out when he sells, how are you taking into account that R53k extra? Its an error of 7.6% on his % growth stat.


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« Reply #4382 on: July 18, 2016, 09:39:02 pm »
You're right snapcase, it wasn't quite fair. He basially had access to leverage. In this case leverage worked to his advantage, but it could also have worked to his detriment. I'm open to suggestions as to how to deal with errors in future if you have any.
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« Reply #4383 on: July 18, 2016, 10:33:23 pm »
Not having followed this debate, but, is it not possible to unwind the whole transaction and then re create the transaction as it should have happened. Not sure if you purchase prices are hard coded - this could be a problem if they are
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« Reply #4384 on: July 19, 2016, 10:13:57 am »
Yeah its not trivial by any means, especially with your fees calc on top.  Plus without knowing how your scripts and DB work together, even more difficult.

The easiest way is probably to manually adjust the number of shares the person was allowed to purchase in the first place.  You'd have to work out that number working backwards from the double sell amount, and factor in the fees as well.

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« Reply #4385 on: July 19, 2016, 11:29:23 am »
And agree with Brad...something went whack with FSD's account around the 19th of May, he magically had access to double his money and has been making some good gains there from it.  That'll be a complete nightmare to fix, haha.
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« Reply #4386 on: July 19, 2016, 12:38:06 pm »
Those that knowingly take advantage of this type of error should be punished by a fine exceeding the amount made by the error. Is this not "cheating"?
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« Reply #4387 on: July 19, 2016, 01:54:22 pm »
I think the situation should be fully investigated, and the facts drawn out before making disparaging comments or labeling someone a cheat - let sanity prevail over emotion 8)
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« Reply #4388 on: July 19, 2016, 03:33:54 pm »
Agreed...there are no prizes for the Investment Challenge luckily, so we all do this for fun and appreciate what Patrick has put in behind the scenes.

These kinds of things just nag at me, like a crooked picture frame.
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« Reply #4389 on: July 19, 2016, 03:36:24 pm »
Shareholders are therefore advised that MTN expects to report negative basic headline earnings per share
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« Reply #4390 on: July 19, 2016, 04:06:50 pm »
Quote from: jaDEB on July 19, 2016, 03:36:24 pm
Shareholders are therefore advised that MTN expects to report negative basic headline earnings per share
Yup and the trades show it all 8.1 million trans; R 1.134 billion
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« Reply #4391 on: July 19, 2016, 06:28:00 pm »
Sorry about that folks, my virtual server went down and wouldn't come back up. Apparently something to do with the server power state being out of sync...
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« Reply #4392 on: July 19, 2016, 06:32:49 pm »
I hope you have someone there to reset it while you guys are in Europe if it happens again. jaDEB would go stark raving mad otherwise. :)
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« Reply #4393 on: July 19, 2016, 06:42:24 pm »
Haha, they've told me that it's a hypervisor issue on this server, so they're going to move my virtual environment to another. Sometime between now and in 6 hours there will be 12 minutes of downtime...
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« Reply #4394 on: July 20, 2016, 07:56:15 am »
12 minutes, what do u want me to do for 12 minutes.... FFS
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