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« Reply #4530 on: August 30, 2016, 11:34:22 am »
STXIND - how you buy Naspers in your TFSA.

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« Reply #4531 on: August 30, 2016, 04:22:28 pm »
hahaha!

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« Reply #4532 on: August 31, 2016, 08:36:41 am »
In the Investor Challenge, is the divi added after the 15% tax has been deducted? Because a divi paid by a REIT, in my case Resilient, is not subject to the tax.

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« Reply #4533 on: August 31, 2016, 09:39:07 am »
Yes after tax Bread. While REITs aren't subject to Divvie tax, they are to income tax which is 30% in the game, so theoretically, I need to subtract another 15% from the REIT dividend ;)

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« Reply #4534 on: August 31, 2016, 10:26:55 am »
SARS even gets us in play play land :'(
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« Reply #4535 on: August 31, 2016, 10:32:17 am »
@Patrick. 30% only  applies when selling at a profit. No div. tax on REITS, so I don't understand extra 15%

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« Reply #4536 on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:01 am »
No, Patrick. You must only take off the 30%. Not the 15% because its a REIT.

Are you taking off 30% per trade, on selling, or at the end of the year?

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« Reply #4537 on: August 31, 2016, 11:09:29 am »
/call FSB ombudsman  :mad:

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« Reply #4538 on: August 31, 2016, 11:21:25 am »
#Patrickmustfall  :)
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« Reply #4539 on: August 31, 2016, 11:57:26 am »
Haha, am I wrong? I thought the income from REITS gets added to your annual income and taxed at the marginal rate. Will go read. Does SARS have to pay penalties to us when they're wrong or is it just the other way around?

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« Reply #4540 on: August 31, 2016, 11:59:24 am »
"There are two key parts to this. Firstly, it means that the 15% dividends withholding tax that is applied to dividends paid out by ordinary shares does not apply to distributions from REITs.  Instead they are included in the recipient’s taxable income with no exemptions. So the full amount is taxed at the shareholder’s normal tax rate." http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/reit-investments-and-tax/

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« Reply #4541 on: August 31, 2016, 04:14:16 pm »
S. Africa’s Biggest Debt Manager Halts Loans to State Firms.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-31/south-africa-s-biggest-debt-manager-halts-loans-to-state-firms-isiw5p8u

"Africa’s biggest private fixed-income money manager will stop lending money to six of South Africa’s largest state companies because it’s concerned about how they are being run, government infighting and threats to the independence of the finance ministry."

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« Reply #4542 on: August 31, 2016, 04:23:22 pm »
Yes, Patrick. The way I understand it is the full amount, i.e. the recipient's taxable income for the year including dividends from REITs, is added up and taxed at the shareholder's normal tax rate.

Does the taxman deduct the normal tax rate for every trade? If he did, and I traded 10 times in the year, then I would pay 130% tax. I'm under the impression, as a provisional taxpayer, that all my profits and losses get added up at the end of the year, added to my other taxable income including divis from REITs, and the total taxed at my normal rate. I am fairly positive I am correct.

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« Reply #4543 on: August 31, 2016, 05:23:53 pm »
Woolies???

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« Reply #4544 on: August 31, 2016, 05:28:19 pm »
Hey Bread, the taxman only takes 30% of your profits when ranking you on the leaderboard. No money is actually removed from any accounts. In theory though, i should take give you 15% more cash for your REIT dividend, and then subtract 30% of that on the leaderboard only.