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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2013, 04:28:37 pm »
Six of the top 10 are penny share holders of which 5 are 1c that doubled to 2c. This already tells you that 1c stock holders will always be in the top 10. If this is allowed then most participants will in future buy 1c stocks and make a mockery of the competition and the genuine investors will not bother to partake.
By the same token those who have bought penny stocks to win the competition may well also not participate next year because of the rules, so it makes sense to split the competition in two - the serious investors are happy and the gamblers are happy
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 04:44:33 pm »
Six of the top 10 are penny share holders of which 5 are 1c that doubled to 2c. This already tells you that 1c stock holders will always be in the top 10. If this is allowed then most participants will in future buy 1c stocks and make a mockery of the competition and the genuine investors will not bother to partake.
By the same token those who have bought penny stocks to win the competition may well also not participate next year because of the rules, so it makes sense to split the competition in two - the serious investors are happy and the gamblers are happy

Good, because the Penny guys are few. I went according to the introduction page and invested accordingly. I would not think of gambling public money. Even less, my family and friends money. Some people did not bother to read it. 
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2013, 04:57:26 pm »
as with any game there are always arseholes, most of us played the game within the ethics, some not

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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2013, 10:13:32 am »
I don't know about arseholes much...  Personally, I "invested" in AH-vest based on some personal connections, and the fact that it was at an attractive price point.  It recovered slowly, over 6 months, to similar levels it held a year ago.  Hardly the same as buying a 1c share and seeing it double in value in a day or two  ::)  While I concede that the volumes traded is not realistic, there is no way I could have exploited a loophole in the game way back in May.  Some of the comments here really do sound like sour grapes  ;D

At a glance, there are several interesting shares in the sub-R1 list.  Jasco, Gijima and Cadiz come to mind.  I'd say cap it at 10c rather than R1.

I get far more upset at guys having ETFs in their portfolios.  Perhaps they didn't expect that Patrick would make it visible for all to see  8)
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2013, 12:45:11 pm »
I don't know about arseholes much...  Personally, I "invested" in AH-vest based on some personal connections, and the fact that it was at an attractive price point.  It recovered slowly, over 6 months, to similar levels it held a year ago.  Hardly the same as buying a 1c share and seeing it double in value in a day or two  ::)  While I concede that the volumes traded is not realistic, there is no way I could have exploited a loophole in the game way back in May.  Some of the comments here really do sound like sour grapes  ;D

At a glance, there are several interesting shares in the sub-R1 list.  Jasco, Gijima and Cadiz come to mind.  I'd say cap it at 10c rather than R1.

I get far more upset at guys having ETFs in their portfolios.  Perhaps they didn't expect that Patrick would make it visible for all to see  8)

would that be "insider trading"?  ;) ??? ::) ;D


Maybe we should set a minimum price for shares that qualify, such as 50c (or whatever) and also a liquidity low level for a previous period, such as at least R10m traded per month over the past year (just an example)

I also believe we should not be allowed to trade, if the prices are not updating, as often happens on a Monday
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2013, 02:35:36 pm »
I don't know about arseholes much...  Personally, I "invested" in AH-vest based on some personal connections, and the fact that it was at an attractive price point.  It recovered slowly, over 6 months, to similar levels it held a year ago.  Hardly the same as buying a 1c share and seeing it double in value in a day or two  ::)  While I concede that the volumes traded is not realistic, there is no way I could have exploited a loophole in the game way back in May.  Some of the comments here really do sound like sour grapes  ;D

At a glance, there are several interesting shares in the sub-R1 list.  Jasco, Gijima and Cadiz come to mind.  I'd say cap it at 10c rather than R1.

I get far more upset at guys having ETFs in their portfolios.  Perhaps they didn't expect that Patrick would make it visible for all to see  8)

would that be "insider trading"?  ;) ??? ::) ;D


Maybe we should set a minimum price for shares that qualify, such as 50c (or whatever) and also a liquidity low level for a previous period, such as at least R10m traded per month over the past year (just an example)

I also believe we should not be allowed to trade, if the prices are not updating, as often happens on a Monday

No it wouldn't.  But what I find far more insulting is when a chop like tgg* comments on arseholes, while most of his investment is focused on the mining sector.  It does not take a genius to realise that I had a far more balanced portfolio, and despite the "luck" with AH-vest, I would still have been miles ahead of him.

I played the game with the knowledge that we'd be limited by a 1-year cutoff.  Which is why I find it laughable that so many members bleat that they wouldn't have risked investing in penny stocks.

Rather than be a chop about pennies, prevent players from buying the same shares twice within six months.


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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2013, 02:54:35 pm »
I don't know about arseholes much...  Personally, I "invested" in AH-vest based on some personal connections, and the fact that it was at an attractive price point.  It recovered slowly, over 6 months, to similar levels it held a year ago.  Hardly the same as buying a 1c share and seeing it double in value in a day or two  ::)  While I concede that the volumes traded is not realistic, there is no way I could have exploited a loophole in the game way back in May.  Some of the comments here really do sound like sour grapes  ;D

At a glance, there are several interesting shares in the sub-R1 list.  Jasco, Gijima and Cadiz come to mind.  I'd say cap it at 10c rather than R1.

I get far more upset at guys having ETFs in their portfolios.  Perhaps they didn't expect that Patrick would make it visible for all to see  8)

If Patrick could not forsee the rules being broken this year (guys negative selling & 1c shares being bought) opening up the competition to include trading for next year is going to bring on lots of other unforseen issues eg. Who's going to make sure of the share bid/buy volumes at prices being aquired? Maybe running two competitions 1 investing and 1 trading with shares under 10c being made unavavilable might be the way to go. I wish everyone the best of luck in next years competition with a reminder, doing well in the stock markets is not dependend upon one's intelligence but attitude.

Yeah.  I think you probably broke the rules more than many other players did, if ethics or intelligence comes into the equation  :D

Rather than trying to regulate or automate the game to pieces, I would prefer that a panel of judges rate our portfolios, so that lopsided or unrealistic investments can be excluded from the podium.

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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2013, 03:18:42 pm »

No it wouldn't.  But what I find far more insulting is when a chop like tgg* comments on arseholes, while most of his investment is focused on the mining sector.  It does not take a genius to realise that I had a far more balanced portfolio, and despite the "luck" with AH-vest, I would still have been miles ahead of him.

I played the game with the knowledge that we'd be limited by a 1-year cutoff.  Which is why I find it laughable that so many members bleat that they wouldn't have risked investing in penny stocks.

Rather than be a chop about pennies, prevent players from buying the same shares twice within six months.

you seem to have decided that tgg's comment was directed at you - why?
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2013, 03:27:47 pm »

Please enlighten me as to how you reason me to have broken the rules more than anyone else. If you remove the profits from MRI & RBA from my portfolio I'm still in the lead and as to commenting on others investment strategies I think you wasting your time and insulting yourself. We all here to learn if not why take part. I'm sure there are many other forums the likes of you can go TROLL.

Chill buddy.  I'm just saying you've WON on the basis of a massive penny share investment.  Well done.

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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2013, 03:30:53 pm »

No it wouldn't.  But what I find far more insulting is when a chop like tgg* comments on arseholes, while most of his investment is focused on the mining sector.  It does not take a genius to realise that I had a far more balanced portfolio, and despite the "luck" with AH-vest, I would still have been miles ahead of him.

I played the game with the knowledge that we'd be limited by a 1-year cutoff.  Which is why I find it laughable that so many members bleat that they wouldn't have risked investing in penny stocks.

Rather than be a chop about pennies, prevent players from buying the same shares twice within six months.

you seem to have decided that tgg's comment was directed at you - why?

I didn't decide that at all.  You assume too much.  I'm here for the same reasons you are.

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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2013, 03:35:59 pm »

No it wouldn't.  But what I find far more insulting is when a chop like tgg* comments on arseholes, while most of his investment is focused on the mining sector.  It does not take a genius to realise that I had a far more balanced portfolio, and despite the "luck" with AH-vest, I would still have been miles ahead of him.

I played the game with the knowledge that we'd be limited by a 1-year cutoff.  Which is why I find it laughable that so many members bleat that they wouldn't have risked investing in penny stocks.

Rather than be a chop about pennies, prevent players from buying the same shares twice within six months.

you seem to have decided that tgg's comment was directed at you - why?

I didn't decide that at all.  You assume too much.  I'm here for the same reasons you are.

well, I understood tgg's comment differently then - aimed at the 1c buyers with shares that have zero liquidity - I would agree that those people are farking up the contest and would not call tgg a 'chop' for that reason
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2013, 04:52:40 pm »
I personally don't have a prob with Griffin's stocks as they could have gone down. I do have a problem with the 1c stocks that could only go up and a small chance of getting suspended.
Well done Griffin.  :TU:

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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2013, 05:52:01 pm »
Having checked the top guys holdings, I am pleasantly surprised that most 1c holders have disappeared thanks to the 2c retreating back to 1c on the last day. Pure fluke.
In my personal view, I would regard the following as the top 10 winners.
1) Griffin
2) AMT
3) DGrobbs
4) Frikkie
5) Jaymeb. He has ducked after his very first purchase. Strange how he got here with cash.
6) SJ
7) Vlad
eight) Dex
9) Sparkz
10) SuperVan

As I stated. This is my view only. You be the judge. Sorry Dex, but eight with a bracket shows up as a smoking face. 8)
 
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Re: Rules for next year
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2013, 06:23:16 pm »
I don't know about arseholes much...  Personally, I "invested" in AH-vest based on some personal connections, and the fact that it was at an attractive price point.  It recovered slowly, over 6 months, to similar levels it held a year ago.  Hardly the same as buying a 1c share and seeing it double in value in a day or two  ::)  While I concede that the volumes traded is not realistic, there is no way I could have exploited a loophole in the game way back in May.  Some of the comments here really do sound like sour grapes  ;D

At a glance, there are several interesting shares in the sub-R1 list.  Jasco, Gijima and Cadiz come to mind.  I'd say cap it at 10c rather than R1.

I get far more upset at guys having ETFs in their portfolios.  Perhaps they didn't expect that Patrick would make it visible for all to see  8)

hey frikkie, het ek met jou gepraat.  moet nou nie asb frikkie van brakpan wees nie. die aandele wat jy noem het almal hulle gat gesien hiedie jaar, sowel as my  goud endevour.

So kalmeer asb bietjie chappie. Ek moet seker nou ook vir jou vra of jy bietjie pui is