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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #225 on: September 23, 2013, 11:53:50 am »
Cheer up Orca. We all pay tax, u are not alone. But do not let it get you down or demotivated.  :wall:
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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #226 on: September 23, 2013, 12:16:22 pm »
Like this?
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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #227 on: September 23, 2013, 01:39:15 pm »
No sure, see what you mean. I get taxed on my salary + medical aid +  pension + :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:... agg ffs, there you are,  :wall: happy now. Now I am also crying ..... :'(
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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #228 on: September 23, 2013, 02:38:57 pm »
I'm going to try sticking to Warren Buffett's holding period, no tax that way  :TU: (obviously aside from dividends witholding...)
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In 1988 we made major purchases of Federal Home Loan Mortgage Pfd. (“Freddie Mac”) and Coca Cola.  We expect to hold these securities for a long time.  In fact, when we own portions of outstanding businesses with outstanding managements, our favorite holding period is forever.  We are just the opposite of those who hurry to sell and book profits when companies perform well but who tenaciously hang on to businesses that disappoint.
From: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1988.html

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2013, 03:23:45 pm »
No sure, see what you mean. I get taxed on my salary + medical aid +  pension + :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:... agg ffs, there you are,  :wall: happy now. Now I am also crying ..... :'(

That's only my "Trading" tax.   :wall: You must see it with my salary added.
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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2013, 04:00:05 pm »
If you keep it Orca, how long do you need to keep it before you do not pay tax?
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« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2013, 05:53:06 pm »
If you keep it Orca, how long do you need to keep it before you do not pay tax?

You will always pay tax jaDEB. If you sell before the 3 year holding term, all your gains are added to your income. If you sell after the 3 year term, 33.3% of your gains are added to your income.

The mystery is this. According to SARS website, if you were classed as a trader by selling and buying before the 3 year term then hold for 10 years then your stocks are still regarded as trading stock and will be taxed accordingly.

To change your stocks to long term Capital Assets, you need to "regard" your stocks as "sold" even if you don't sell them and pay the tax due at 100% of the gains added to your income. Your Base cost will then be at the market value at the end of that day. (I presume)
Problem now is that if you were a Trader and then changed your intention to be an investor, you would have sold the stocks prior to this anyway and paid the tax, then this date of new purchase should be the start of the 3year holding period in my view but unfortunately SARS is not clear on this.

Hope you get what I mean.







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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #232 on: September 27, 2013, 10:37:23 am »
I own quite a few sgl in real trade so I hope you win the competition.

Am wondering what to do with the dividend out soon

You must be quite happy watching jaDEB's ever increasing lead!

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #233 on: September 27, 2013, 11:19:33 am »
Yes, I should believe in myself. I had a crap load of SGL, and I believed that it will go up. But NO, panicked and sold... :frustrated:
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« Reply #234 on: September 27, 2013, 08:18:57 pm »
Yes, I should believe in myself. I had a crap load of SGL, and I believed that it will go up. But NO, panicked and sold... :frustrated:

Did you actually have sgl in your real portfolio, I have and went through some major losses, also shitted myself, did a buy sell thing for a while and lost some money on trading fees, but am major up at the moment. Am a bit concerned about some wd that bought sgl when I was punting it then sold it at a low because cml seemed the thing. Many sheep fell into that hole.

Give stats of y to y on cml, sgl and lon

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #235 on: September 30, 2013, 08:18:02 am »
Yes, at a stage my portfolio was 100% SGL. If I kept it, I would have ulcers, due to low of about R8, but also would have been in the money now +/- 15%.  :wall:
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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #236 on: September 30, 2013, 09:53:40 am »
SGL ....

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #237 on: October 07, 2013, 02:56:50 pm »
Patrick, are you sure we're buying at previous day close, doesn't seem so for TKG. Closed 2523 Friday, can buy for 2662 now - what am I doing wrong here?

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #238 on: October 07, 2013, 03:13:10 pm »
Patrick, are you sure we're buying at previous day close, doesn't seem so for TKG. Closed 2523 Friday, can buy for 2662 now - what am I doing wrong here?

Nope, that's not the case, else everyone would just buy when the market has already gone up! Prices are live (delayed somewhere between 15 and 25 minutes. The only time you'd buy at the previous days close is if you buy after trading hours.

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Re: investor challenge
« Reply #239 on: October 07, 2013, 03:41:29 pm »
Patrick - when buying shares on this challenge it is absolutely vital that participants watch the share price on another forum (I use my brokers live feed) and when the price drops they wait for your system to drop the price which seems to be 10 minutes later (but not always) Then the participants can climb in at the lower price for a similar period of time. Doesn't help to just use the price shown on your system unless it is to the participants advantage, but you do need another source of price monitoring O:-)
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