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Moonraker

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Re: My Beginner's Portfolio Blog(Experiment)
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2016, 07:09:15 pm »
I don't want to hijack this thread but this is what I have established looking at my present portfolio:-
I sold out of SAC September 27, 2007 at a price of R 4.14 and per todays figures the price is R 5.20. Since 2008 it has declared the following dividends 2008 29.50 cents; 2009 29.70 cents; 2010 27.48 cents; 2011 28.53 cents; 2012 29.65 cents; 2013 31.26 cents; 2014 34. 15 cents; 2015 37.68 cents
I then compared this against my Woolworths holdings which I bought at the same time as I sold SACI bought at R 20.93 and todays price is R 103.02
Dividends declared since 2008 were as follows 2008 173 cents; 2009 85 cents; 2010 105 cents; 2011 143.5 cents; 2012 198 cents; 2013 234 cents; 2014 251.5 cents, and 2015 247 cents
On the Woolworths shares there would have been the 15 withholding tax per cycle and dividend payout

So my question to Moonraker - Help me through this malaise and tell me how I could have scored a better wealth return by staying in SAC as the WHL price has gone up significantly since 2007 (Allan Grey had a sell at this stage) yet SAC has gone nowhere in real terms.
What I am trying to get my head around is how REIT are better than equities - because in my mind it all revolves around what you purchase
So happy to learn

Tells it all. Even local REIT SAC beats WHL on growth only, let alone both growth and divs. Some of the 'better' REITS (mainly offshore focused) have outperformed even more over one year, let alone over 5years+
So, you still think they are crappy investments ?  Sirius is the next one to watch - check the SENS
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Sirius final results 31 March 2016

Rental income for the year was higher at EUR55.8 million (2015: EUR45.4
million). Operating profit jumped to EUR76.3 million (2015: EUR48.1 million,
profit attributable to owners of the company soared to EUR54,.7 million (2015:
EUR27 million), while headline earnings per share grew to EUR1.82 cents per
share (2015: EUR0.92 cents per share).

Dividend
The Board has declared a final dividend of EUR1.30c per share for the remainder
of the year ended 31 March 2016.

Outlook
The Company is building a good level of momentum, shown by the increases being
achieved across the key metrics of our business and we are well positioned to
make a strong start to the new financial year. With more favourable terms on our
new debt facilities allowing the Group to make earnings enhancing acquisitions
and the capex investment programme continuing to demonstrate organic growth, the
Board anticipates further enhancements in the new financial year. Due to the
longer term ambitions of the Company and to appeal to a broader base of
international investors, the Company is considering making applications to move
to the main markets of both the LSE and JSE exchanges during the course of the
year and will be consulting with its advisers and major shareholders in the
coming weeks.


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Re: My Beginner's Portfolio Blog(Experiment)
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2016, 09:28:07 pm »
Moon - explain please what constitutes growth SAC today closed at R 4.96 and Woolworths R 85.69 since I last posted prices.
What growth are you referring to growth in price over a period; growth in dividends over a period; or growth in the components within the counter i.e. sum of its parts
Not trying to be confrontational - just trying to understand your statement
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Re: My Beginner's Portfolio Blog(Experiment)
« Reply #62 on: May 25, 2016, 09:58:35 am »
Capital growth as reflected in the attached Bloomberg chart. You have selected WHL a quality retail stock, and to compare apples with apples leave out SAC, and use the comparisons with RES, NEPI, ROC, SRE to name a few. Remember, none of these, being dual listed, are fully taxable (except RES which is local) - they are only subject to 15% withholding tax as mentioned often in the past. What is surprising is that even the much maligned locally listed SAC was able to comprehensively outperform WHL over the past year on capital growth (despite the adverse economy and higher bond yields) plus your current (historic) dividend yield for SAC is 7,98% (or 4,7% after tax if you are in the 41% marginal tax bracket - there is no withholding tax payable on locally listed REITS).
Most of the REITS are currently fully valued, as is WHL, and very dependent on the economy and the correlation with long bond yields. They have done me good over the past 12 years.
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Re: My Beginner's Portfolio Blog(Experiment)
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2016, 10:48:38 pm »
Moon - I hear you, and concede that we follow different strategies to achieve our own particular goals - the end goals are thus pertinent to our own end goals. My share portfolio is not used in any sense to augment my pension, as it is more than adequate to meet all my needs and I ensure that I live off that pension without tapping into my other investments.

So circumstances dictate what strategy we follow - my reality was having to sell off some of my parents investments half yearly to meet the diminishing value of their pension and meeting accommodation and medical expenses - so in essence that was a wake up call for me. Also I am totally averse to using capital to buy anything and would rather use my bond, car loans, and overdraft to meet capital needs - but then I was a banker for 40 years so engineer loans that are beneficial to me.

I don't intend posting on this thread in the future simply because it will serve no purpose for me to express my view which may well be diametrically opposed to other investors on this forum - and what works for me may not necessarily work for others, or their circumstances. The only thing I will say is that people need strategies (review occasionally) and goals and milestones - and they will achieve what they set out to achieve     
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