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gcr

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2016, 03:00:42 pm »
Pilot - I am making a presumption here that your perfect portfolio is in fact a trading portfolio and not a medium/long term portfolio
If it is a trading portfolio - then I presume that you are making a profit from these transaction?

As a further note - should the country end up being downgraded to junk status, then there is every likelihood that the banks will be downgraded as well, and we are likely to see an even greater exit of foreign investments compared to what has happened over the last month or so
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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2016, 02:30:34 pm »
Hi gcr

Yes, I use it as a trading portfolio, and yes I am turning a profit. But the Perfect Portfolio is really not just designed to do trades.

It should guide you on a daily basis, in the direction in which the market is moving, and in which way to steer your portfolio.
Let me give an example. The Perfect Portfolio I gave on the 11th of April made 7,5% to date, and the Top40 made 4%. The PP (Perfect Portfolio) outperformed the Top40 by 87%.

The 15 April PP did 4,7% until today, and the Top40 did 1,3%. Outperforming the Top40 by 250%.
The 20 April PP did 2,1% until today, and the Top40 did 0,3%. Outperforming the Top40 by 582%.

Every Perfect Portfolio since then has outperformed the Top40 and will keep on doing it, given some time. It will always recognize a share with the most upside (or downside) potential, and the best time to buy (sell) it.

Every PP the last few weeks has been a different portfolio, but they were the best stocks to have at that specific date. That is why I believe, you can never have the perfect portfolio, but you can strive to have it.

On the downgrading issue, I agree that banks could be in for the worst. At the moment they will probably recover and crash on the day the downgrading happens (if it happens). 

I am not too concerned about the downgrading, as the system (all the indicator and triggers) will recognize overvalued shares and trend changes, and I will adjust my holdings accordingly.

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2016, 03:17:20 pm »
Pilot - thanks for the clarity that it is a trading portfolio.
Here's a question around the algorithms that you may be using.
Say I want to buy 2,000 Truworths shares, but don't want to buy in one parcel as the price may be a bit too high for liking to make the investment - will you PP give me indicators as to when I should enter the market and at what price which is closely associated to the price I am prepared to pay. You state that it does give price points for potential buys/sell. Thus if it is giving a sell indicator one could then put in a purchase order at a price close to your deflection point and at a later stage it then shows a reversal to a higher price you can adjust your buy order to buy "on the turn"

Just fantasizing here a bit as to whether you "system" could be used even for medium/long term purchases where you dribble your funds into the market (being mindful of broker costs) and get the total 2000 shares over an extended period

As a for instance - bought some more Santova but have had my buy order on for about 5 weeks but only today did it match my bid price, also sometimes I place orders at two or more different bid prices to fill my orders - some call it the falling knife principle.
 
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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2016, 08:24:30 pm »
Gcr - I believe that this should and could definitely be used with a medium/long term portfolio.

I have already made a spread sheet that works with longer term holdings. Unfortunately that spread sheet has some sensitive formula's that I currently use, but I could make one later for everyone.

It basically takes your current portfolio and matches it against the perfect portfolio and suggests the largest deviations as actions. You can set the deviation to the % that suits you, as well as (your port)/(PP) ratio. But I will get a simple one ready soon.

If you should have a share that you have for 2 years and don't want to sell it, you could take a short position for a portion of the shares that you need downside protection on. This helps with your tax benefit by not selling the share and only paying Capital gains tax. I hope it's still 3 years.

The prices and entry points for most deals are usually on the previous days closing prices, and that is usually very good entry points to buy at. The whole system compares each share relative to the other to find value. Trades don't have to be in the market for a long time, but the criteria can be set higher for the next deal, as your cash portion becomes lower and you have time to wait for the best deal.

I agree with you on different levels for your orders. If you want to get into a new share and you want 6% exposure. Buy 2% at the current level, 2% at a 3% discount and the last 2% at a 6% discount (especially with longer term views). With the Perfect Portfolio it does work too, but too a lesser effect.

I got a lot of work, but hope to get the longer term comparison spread sheet out soon.





 
   

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2016, 09:41:42 pm »
Look forward to seeing the results - don't stress yourself about producing it "soon" long term portfolios are not too time sensitive :)
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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2016, 12:44:51 pm »
Perfect Portfolio vs. JSE Top40
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Who was your money on? ...... Did you really think the TOP40 stood a chance? Although not the absolute best of the 470 SA funds, for the last week,  and only falling to the KIO heavy resource funds.
But for the nine trading days until yesterday's close........the (11 April) Perfect Portfolio has gained 7,1% in the last 9 days, outperforming the Top40 by 116% (3,3%gain) and outperforming  468 funds  on their best monthly gain! Only Old Mutual's Mid and Small Cap fund could do 7,29% in the past month and the Perfect Portfolio done it in 9 days.  Every Perfect Portfolio since 11 April has outperformed the TOP40, and each looking a little different than the one before.  The 15 April PP  (Perfect Portfolio)for instance, has gained 4% vs. the 0,6% of the TOP40, outperforming it by 525%.

So will this continue or just a flash in the pan? The Perfect Portfolio should outperform the index given some time. The 11 April  PP, will probably outperform the index for the next 3 months and maybe the next 3 years, but it will become outdated with the latest PP. It needs constant adjusting and steered in the best future direction for your investment.

So what does the latest Perfect Portfolio look like........ a little different from the 11 April portfolio.  Anglo, Anglo Gold, Exxaro, Kumba Iron Ore and ARI have all lost their shine and does not offer any value in the longer term, and should be nearly 0% of your portfolio currently. (Although KIO is defying gravity at the moment)

Currently Banks, Construction and some Retailers are most favoured. PPC has been moving up and has now had the top spot for quite a few days, and has a lot of upside potential.  Unfortunately or luckily, I only monitor 45 shares and most of the construction shares are outside the top50. I dare not think how much better the Perfect Portfolio would be, picking from 150 shares, and only selecting the best of the best.

See below or attached the portfolio's in mention, and if there are Fund Managers that need an assistant, and want to improve the timing on trades, I am all yours.  Hopefully I haven't  wasted the last 25 years on this model  for nothing.

Enjoy the weekend and may all your teams win :-)

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2016, 09:28:07 am »
This is an interesting post, thanks.

Pilot could you please provide a some more info on the selection of shares (don't have to give exact details)?

Do you trade this with a real account and real money? If so, how do you do that in practice? Do you update your holdings everyday?

It just seems like transaction costs could be a significant barrier to effectively using this as the list quickly changes?

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2016, 08:02:31 am »
See Darkside says there is no Perfect portfolio....  >:(   , he obviously reads the heading and stops ..

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Re: The Perfect Portfolio
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 10:51:00 pm »
Pilot - just a question on your PP in an earlier post you alluded to the tax implications i.e. CGT versus income. In your post more recently you indicate that you should not really be holding resources counters - agree, but if your PP only bought them recently, then, because your original purchases were less than 3 years holdings you would be categorized as a dealer by SARs and as such would end up paying tax at your marginal tax rate - which would have an effect on your profit margins and you could potentially not outperform the Top 40 which you are using as a bench mark

Not trying to torpedo your processes but just trying to understand how it could work effectively for a medium to longer term type of portfolio
Do find these posts fascinating in the sense that if it had a predictive component to it which could (base on histograms) forecast which counter to buy over the next 3 - 6 months
Keep playing with the model because you could potentially come up with a winner 8)
 
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