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marguerittereed

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TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« on: October 08, 2015, 01:26:03 pm »
http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2015/10/08/some-pain-on-the-way-for-investors


Found this very interesting reading!!

A THREE-year-old government discussion document titled Incentivising Non-Retirement Savings flags some good and some bad news to be expected in coming budget speeches.

The good news is a transition period of about two years is envisioned during which you will be allowed to bypass the R30,000 a year deposit limit on the tax free savings accounts (TFSAs) introduced this year, depending on how old you are. People 65 and older will be allowed to transfer the full lifetime allocation of R500,000 in one go, those 60-65 years old will be allowed to deposit three-quarters of the lifetime limit, 50-59-year-olds one half and 45-49-year-olds a quarter.

The bad news is this is to compensate savers for doing away with interest income exemptions of R23,800 if you are under 65 and R34,500 if you are 65 or older.

"The interest income tax exemption thresholds will be phased out during the transition period. Such phasing will take account of the needs of pensioners who are currently dependent on interest income, and will only be implemented after the consultation process has been completed," the discussion document says.

The Treasury economists who authored the document provided some history to the incumbent system of not taxing interest earned up to a certain limit and concluded: "The existing interest income exemption is not an effective instrument for encouraging savings amongst low- to moderate-income taxpayers."

The original thinking behind allowing people to earn interest up to a certain limit tax free was not to encourage saving, but to simplify tax administration. According to the Treasury, in the 2008 fiscal year not taxing interest income "cost" government about R3bn.

"In order for incentives to be cost-effective, the amount of new saving generated must be more than sufficient to offset the costs to government of revenue foregone."

A key concern of government policy makers, which is a recurring theme in the discussion document, is that the incentives should encourage "new savings" among poorer households rather than "asset shifting" by the rich.

The architects of the TFSAs studied systems implemented in three countries — Belgium, Canada and UK — before concluding the UK’s individual savings accounts (ISA) system was the best role model.

"The higher participation rates by higher-income earners appear to be less acute in the UK’s ISA model than in others. While there does seem to be some level of asset shifting in the ISA model, there is evidence of new saving that was created," the study found.

The local TFSAs are not an exact copy of ISAs. For instance, the UK encourages its citizens to invest in equities by making it a rule that only half the annual cap of £11,280 can be held in a cash account.

One of the big successes of the UK’s ISAs, which the TFSAs do seem to be replicating here, is to bring more transparency and competition to the stockbroking market. When I started this column a couple of months ago, a key gripe was the unaffordable fees charged to small investors. Besides rolling out TFSAs, more retail investor friendly products like exchange-traded-fund-only accounts have been launched by Absa Stockbrokers, something I would have started with if I had had the option a few years ago.

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 02:38:58 pm »
So bad news for those of us under 45, but great news for those 45+.

I never really invested money anywhere for interest, but I do earn interest from money in my trading account. Sometimes a fair amount.

We're kind of getting screwed with our system. In the UK you can invest 15240 pounds per year! No overall limit, you can keep doing that as long as you like. That's over R300 000 each year. Then imagine if you're a family of 2 or even more. You would be able to put your entire investment account into tax free savings...

Canada has a similar overall limit to us, $41 000, but they can contribute $10 000 a year, so they reach that fast.

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 08:24:47 pm »
Kind of silly to get rid of the interest allowances. Demand for money markets investments will drop drastically. It's a safe place to keep money that you will need on short notice while still maintaining a hedge against inflation.

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 08:03:17 am »
more reason to take your money offshore ... really stupid idea ... guess this is just another way for them to increase the tax rate, without actually increasing the tax rate

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 10:56:14 pm »
more reason to take your money offshore ... really stupid idea ... guess this is just another way for them to increase the tax rate, without actually increasing the tax rate
Where can we move to though?

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2015, 05:09:50 pm »
Something I have been thinking about and cant find proper info about.

I have my TFSA with EasyEquities, split over 4 ETF's. If I would like to sell all of the shares from one ETF, and reinvest them into another or a completely different ETF, will the selling be
seen as me exiting money from my TFSA? Can one do this?

If this is allowed, andd not seen as exiting money from the TFSA, what stops anybody from trading on these ETF's If you are wanting to do so?
« Last Edit: October 23, 2015, 05:12:05 pm by JDP »

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Re: TFSA - New Regulations (Maybe)
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2015, 05:46:09 pm »
Something I have been thinking about and cant find proper info about.

I have my TFSA with EasyEquities, split over 4 ETF's. If I would like to sell all of the shares from one ETF, and reinvest them into another or a completely different ETF, will the selling be
seen as me exiting money from my TFSA? Can one do this?

If this is allowed, andd not seen as exiting money from the TFSA, what stops anybody from trading on these ETF's If you are wanting to do so?

That is no problem - you can actually "trade" in your account as much as you want - and with the low fees, it could be fairly attractive to do so. Once capital has left it cannot be replaced.