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Re: Tax
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2013, 02:28:17 pm »
"same kind and quality" - I wonder how that can be determined?  :o
I'm sure you won't even get two analysts to agree on that
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« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2013, 02:47:26 pm »
One can use that method only once you have held them for longer than 3 years I presume.
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« Reply #107 on: October 01, 2013, 02:55:26 pm »
"same kind and quality" - I wonder how that can be determined?  :o
I'm sure you won't even get two analysts to agree on that
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The expression ‘share of the same kind and of the same or equivalent quality’ refers to substantially identical shares in the same company.
Thus a shareholder who held a class A ordinary share in ABC Ltd (a listed company) that was forcibly acquired under s 311 of the Companies Act 61 of 1973, who wishes to take advantage of para 42A, must replace that share with a class A ordinary share in ABC Ltd. In the event that the particular class of share is no longer in issue, the share would have to be replaced with one bearing substantially identical rights
In other words, unless what I have highlighted is the case, it must be the same share.

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« Reply #108 on: October 01, 2013, 05:51:09 pm »
"same kind and quality" - I wonder how that can be determined?  :o
I'm sure you won't even get two analysts to agree on that
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The expression ‘share of the same kind and of the same or equivalent quality’ refers to substantially identical shares in the same company.
Thus a shareholder who held a class A ordinary share in ABC Ltd (a listed company) that was forcibly acquired under s 311 of the Companies Act 61 of 1973, who wishes to take advantage of para 42A, must replace that share with a class A ordinary share in ABC Ltd. In the event that the particular class of share is no longer in issue, the share would have to be replaced with one bearing substantially identical rights
In other words, unless what I have highlighted is the case, it must be the same share.


thanks! that would mean that this option is of very limited value to the average share holder
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Re: Tax
« Reply #109 on: October 03, 2013, 06:06:09 pm »
Now for a more difficult question. I lost R120k in a Forex Trading account in Ireland. Can I use this loss here?
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Re: Tax
« Reply #110 on: October 05, 2013, 03:23:36 pm »
Dividends and your tax return

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Local dividends
Although dividends withholding tax will automatically be withheld by the dividend-paying company (unless an exemption applies), the tax obligation remains on the shareholder. Dividend withholding tax is a separate tax and does not form part of the normal income tax calculation. This unfortunately does not mean that the taxpayer can ignore the dividends he or she received in their tax return. The gross dividends receipts (pre-dividend withholding tax) must still be included as part of gross income and as a consequence be included in the tax return.   :wtf:

Local dividends are however still fully exempt from normal income tax and as a consequence the amount of dividends included under gross income will then be excluded again under the exempt-income section.

For local dividends it must therefore be included in the return and the full amount excluded again; in other words it will be merely an in-out situation.

I have already completed my return and have been assessed, but certainly didn't add gross dividends to any
sections on the ITR12.
Provision was only made for 'Local Interest Income' and 'Exempt Local and Foreign Dividends'.
To which section on the ITR12 one is supposed to add gross dividends ?

If added to 'Local Interest Income', I would be fully taxed on the gross dividends at my marginal tax rate without
being able to deduct them again as they will not be deducted by showing them under 'Exempt Local and Foreign
Dividends' - they will merely be ignored as amounts considered non-taxable.
Rather confusing as no provision is made for this as far as I can see looking at my ITR12.

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« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2013, 08:07:45 pm »
Hick. Burp. Look at the time.
Those guys doing CFD's must be hiding their gains. How can one possibly work out tax when you are doing 6 trades per day?
I find it difficult to do 4 per year.
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« Reply #112 on: October 06, 2013, 05:05:48 am »
Rather confusing as no provision is made for this as far as I can see looking at my ITR12.
  Yes, I had the same problem...

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« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2013, 01:56:49 pm »
Hick. Burp. Look at the time.
Those guys doing CFD's must be hiding their gains. How can one possibly work out tax when you are doing 6 trades per day?
I find it difficult to do 4 per year.

Orca and all, request a CGT Tax certificate for the Tax Year from your broker, all your trades, gains and losses are calculated for you. My broker is Ned Priv Wealth (previous BoE) and i request a CGT certificate, they charge R 150. and i give that to my accounting firm. I do a lot of trades per year (around 100) and have no problems with tax, pay CGT on my nett gains.
 
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« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2013, 04:49:07 pm »
Hick. Burp. Look at the time.
Those guys doing CFD's must be hiding their gains. How can one possibly work out tax when you are doing 6 trades per day?
I find it difficult to do 4 per year.

Orca and all, request a CGT Tax certificate for the Tax Year from your broker, all your trades, gains and losses are calculated for you. My broker is Ned Priv Wealth (previous BoE) and i request a CGT certificate, they charge R 150. and i give that to my accounting firm. I do a lot of trades per year (around 100) and have no problems with tax, pay CGT on my nett gains.
 
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is that irrespective of how long you owned the share before taking profit?
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« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2013, 07:50:09 pm »
As franz Trades about 100 times per year, he surely cannot have held them for 3 years. He is trading and should include it as revenue, not CGT. His ITR will eventually get a red flag and get looked at by human assessors. The new Prescription period is now 5 years so he will have his books audited from 5 years ago.
Same as me.  :wall:
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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2013, 07:59:20 am »
Hi guys, all my taxes are handled by my accountants and submitted to SARS, i might be mistaken i understand as i get a CGT certificate from my broker that all my nett gains are subject to CGT. As i have other business income and supose all gains/losses are added/subtracted together.

I definetely will bring this up at our next meeting will keep you guys informed.

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Re: Tax
« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2013, 09:17:14 am »
I also get a "Holdings Report for CGT" every year that shows my totals of stock brought forward, Purchases, Sales and stock caried over. Then in small print it states that the report is to be used acording to my tax status for CGT or Income.
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Re: Tax
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2013, 01:23:42 pm »
Come on guys, play nice

No vulgar language and targeting of individuals. Everyone is here to learn from each other.

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« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2013, 01:29:36 pm »
Come on guys, play nice

No vulgar language and targeting of individuals. Everyone is here to learn from each other.
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