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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #495 on: December 31, 2015, 02:16:00 pm »
Well, are you still bored?

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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #496 on: December 31, 2015, 05:37:43 pm »
Well, are you still bored?

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Frikkie ..... YES ...  :'(  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #497 on: January 07, 2016, 12:17:57 pm »
Update:-

Port 1:

LON : 1% of Port Down 15%
NPN : 64% of Port Up 26%
OCE : 29% of Port Up 7%

Port 2:

AVL : 96% of Port Up 1%

From Moneyweb,

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/naspers-four-themes-watch/

The first is what happens to the local currency. Given that the majority of its value is now derived from offshore, Naspers has become a rand hedge play.

The bulk of Naspers’ valuation is its holding in Chinese company Tencent. The spectacular growth in this business has been the major driver of Naspers’ own growth surge, and as long as Tencent continues to deliver, the market’s view on Naspers is unlikely to change.

Some concerns have been raised about Tencent’s valuation and the fact that it is trading at very demanding multiples itself, but most analysts believe that the potential earnings warrant these ratings.

Nasper’s Pay TV business, Multichoice, has been the cash cow on which everything else has been built. The money it generates there has allowed it to make its other investments around the world.

Currently the majority of e-commerce businesses in which Naspers is invested are not adding to company earnings. As the below table shows, losses in the group’s e-commerce cluster have actually been increasing every year.

naspers 3
Source: Rexsolom Invest

What the graph also shows, however, is that development spend on this sector is also likely to peak in 2015 and decline going forward. The message from Naspers is that it has made its investments into this cluster and is now going to let them monetise.

Rocchi says that this is something he will be watching closely. He will be looking for these losses to start bottoming out and reversing, as these businesses represent the blue sky that investors are paying up for in Naspers.

“As an investor, you are hoping that this cluster will produce the next Tencent,” he says. “If it doesn’t, I think the share price could come under pressure because investors will say: you keep throwing money into this cluster, but where is the next big thing?”

Takaendesa agrees. Although Naspers has already admitted failing and pulled out of a number of smaller investments, its the larger ones that really need to perform.

“I don’t think the current e-commerce losses on their own would be enough to change the market view,” he says. “I’m only expecting e-commerce to reach break-even after 2018. But if there was a big failure somewhere like India or Brazil, then the market would lose faith, particularly following the change in management with Bob van Dijk having taken over from Koos Bekker as CEO
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #498 on: January 11, 2016, 09:55:35 am »
mETALS :wall:
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #499 on: January 12, 2016, 07:50:15 am »
From Bloomberg.
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #500 on: January 14, 2016, 06:51:52 pm »
Update:-

AVL -  8) Doing ok,
OCE -  :-* Doing ok,
LON -  :frustrated: why, why u knob
NPN -  ??? - down from 2100 to 1850 - I hope Fikkie is not there
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #501 on: January 15, 2016, 07:53:09 am »
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #502 on: January 18, 2016, 08:29:52 am »
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #503 on: January 19, 2016, 08:19:41 am »
FNB / STD / ABSA / Nedbank
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #504 on: January 20, 2016, 07:29:16 am »
PSG
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #505 on: January 20, 2016, 05:34:03 pm »
My OCE is only share in my portfolio that has not taken a beating, who would have thought...
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #506 on: January 21, 2016, 08:04:51 am »
Port 1:

LON Lonmin Down 52.16 %   :laugh: % of Port 0.51 % 
NPN Naspers up 17.01 %   :( % of Port 62.23 % 
OCE Oceana up 8.98 %   ;) % of Port  31.06 %

Port 2:

AVL Advanced Health down -0.89 %   :'( % of port  96.08 %


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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #507 on: January 22, 2016, 07:33:46 am »
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #508 on: January 22, 2016, 11:05:12 am »
China’s Ele.me, a food-delivery startup backed by Tencent Holdings Ltd., plans to close a funding round of at least $1.25 billion by as early as mid-February in a deal led by competitor Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., according to people with direct knowledge of the matter.

Alibaba will be Ele.me’s controlling shareholder after the funding, which values the service at about $4.5 billion, the people said, asking not to be identified because the information is private. The deal could be announced by the Lunar New Year holiday that starts Feb. 8, one of the people said. Ele.me was in merger talks with group-buying site Meituan.com, but those fell apart, the people said.

Tencent, Alibaba and Baidu Inc.are competing for supremacy in a local-services industry primed for growth as more people turn to their smartphones or the Web to order food, schedule beauty treatments or hire domestic helpers. Users of those services could rise 29 percent to 400 million by next year, with sales expected to reach 7.28 trillion yuan ($1.1 trillion).




Chinese companies have been involved in $91.6 billion of acquisitions and investments in the Internet industry in the past 12 months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
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Re: Pulverized Sand Box
« Reply #509 on: January 25, 2016, 08:32:53 am »
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