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Re: Long Term Portfolios.
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2015, 07:48:59 pm »
Some interesting discussions on this thread and some diametric views

From what I can gather Mr Dividend is focused on dividend returns - are you taking the dividends and using them as your pension?
From other posts am I right in saying that you have indicated that you are near of have retired - hence the need for dividends?

I on the other hand have retired and get a good pension and have funds in a rolling 6 moth FD and some Mutual funds plus a smallish LA
My share portfolio is what I focus on and which I manage myself and handle all buying and selling through a broker platform
My objective has been to grow my share portfolio by a minimum of R 250,000 per annum however 2007/8 went into negative territory but since 2008 I have achieved that objective. Pensions and your health deteriorate with age and your medical bills increase as do all other living expenses so my overarching objective is to ensure that at 85 I can still live and enjoy life as it is today but some 17 years younger
So to me it is important to determine what my long term goal is and how I can achieve that with a annual plan, and adjust it to ensure you still achieve your objectives     
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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2015, 05:30:51 pm »
Here is my new portfolio taken at market close today. I love it when all my stocks are green on a red day.
DIVTRX is 50% and PGR is 18%.
I started here with nothing and still have most of it left.

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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2015, 07:42:05 am »
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From what I can gather Mr Dividend is focused on dividend returns - are you taking the dividends and using them as your pension?
From other posts am I right in saying that you have indicated that you are near of have retired - hence the need for dividends?

Pretty much, retired last year at 40. Living off dividends - but do not mind some high growth shares from a tax perspective.

Are you fully invested now Orca? Well, as opposed to 100% CML you are pretty well diversified! Not enough for me, but then I seem to be a glass half full kind of guy and what to own them all. The Smegal of the JSE,  :)

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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2015, 07:49:26 am »
Divtrx holds 22 shares, all equally weighted around 4.5%, so I would say that's fairly good diversification, but probably a little overweight in the other counters! Time will tell if Orca has picked the next cml in one of those again!

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« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2015, 08:27:56 am »
26. They were going to open another fund with 28, but they figured there would be serious infighting.


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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2015, 08:53:21 am »
I'm done sorting out my portfolio. Actually I'v had MTA for 3 years already. She has been flat this year due to no dividends to pay off her large loan for the Turkish acquisition.
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2015, 08:39:14 pm »
ADI on the other hand must be the star performer over a long term. She has done 326% pa ave over 5 years without divies reinvested.

Analysts have predicted that the tech sector will be the place to be in. Her PE ratio of 22 sounds high but if you factor in the cash she has, it would be cheap. Her sales are all cash upfront and no creditors.

The CEO seems to be following the business model of EOH by buying up cheap but profitable companies on a regular basis.
This is one to watch and I am feeling nauseous for not finding her a few years earlier.


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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2015, 09:59:34 am »
I've sold Nampak and bought Taste. Although both are longer term plays, I think there is lot's more upside to Taste - whereas Nampaks africa expansion looks interesting - the SA business has lot's of competition and will probably hold it back for a few years. So now own Taste in both portfolio's an my smaller cap bets are: PGR, Rhodes, Taste, Granparade - which together account for around 8.5% of the main portfolio. Actually, have a bit in Spur as well - brings it up to 9.3%
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 11:17:07 am by Mr_Dividend »

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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2015, 12:06:27 pm »
I have a long term portfolio invested offshore but the thing that worries me is that all the shares I've  bought are in Rands and with the way the Rand is going would it make sense to change my portfolio into euros, dollars, sterling or any other currency?

The downside of this would obviously be the selling and then buying costs. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2015, 12:57:54 pm »
If it's all foreign shares it won't matter if the rand crashes as your portfolio value will have a rise equal to the currency crash. In a total hyperinflation scenario, your only risk would be the time difference between selling and being able to convert to a safer currency somehow.

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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2015, 01:49:36 pm »
I think the shares yozzi is talking about are all rand denominated - he does not hold the share certificates/nominee shares in an overseas account. So very simply if the Rand does tank then the funds would move in sympathy with the rate change. However to me the more important scenario here is that what you want is that you have an overseas broker who buys and sells into the major markets around the world and would hold different currency trading accounts. However to do this you need to be in good standing with SARS and don't them any funds
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« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2015, 10:14:52 am »
Hi guys, the shares are mainly local ones like Pan Af, CML, Satrix Indi, A Gray Global Equity Feeder Fund, Coronation Industrial Fund and all bought in Rands in a Rand acc offshore but I suppose as long as I'm living in SA then any Rand currency weakness wouldn't be too bad but if I were to go overseas then things start to get costly!!

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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2015, 02:07:57 pm »
The point I am trying to make here is that these shares are not held by you in a foreign currency with an overseas broker. What I am putting in place is that my local broker opens an elected currency account with a London based broker. My broker will physically move my funds offshore to this broker and I will be able to (over the overseas brokers platform) see my platform in a similar fashion as my local brokers platform. The hurdles I am trying to deal with are that if I wish to buy or sell out of my overseas portfolio then I have to instruct my local broker to effect the instruction. I can't place my buy/sell orders with the LSE in the same way I can with the JSE. This is not an insurmountable problem as my intent is to buy and hold for the long term. I am still in the process of resolving where I will get taxed on sales UK or SA as I don't foresee that I will bring the funds back to SA for many years - if ever. Also my local broker will impose charges each time they remit funds overseas for me and I am trying to establish whether there is a fee levied by my local broker (when I give an instruction to buy/sell) for handling the transaction instruction. There are also other considerations - in SA if you transact too frequently you could be treated by SARS as a trader - need to know whether the UK have similar rules. CGT is another issue as I may have to register as a UK taxpayer and get a tax number.
As I say at an early stage of my investigations and just need to get my ducks in a row so to speak
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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2015, 03:13:55 pm »
The very reason why DTA's are in place is to simplify cross border trading.
If every one doing business with foreign countries had to file a tax return in that country as well then hardly any trading would be done.

The UK/ZA DTA states that non property dividends withholding tax must be capped at 10%. So you will automatically pay 10% in the UK only if you apply for the DTA reduction that your UK broker will provide.

All your foreign income must be added to your local income in your returns. You will pay tax in the country where you "apply you wit, mind and time" for the income albeit CGT or Income tax.
So if you have a Managed Account in the UK and the manager trades frequently for over 3 years then it will be treated as CGT by SARS. If you do it from ZA, it will be Income.
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Re: Long Term Portfolios.
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2015, 03:19:09 pm »
The very reason why DTA's are in place is to simplify cross border trading.
If every one doing business with foreign countries had to file a tax return in that country as well then hardly any trading would be done.

The UK/ZA DTA states that non property dividends withholding tax must be capped at 10%. So you will automatically pay 10% in the UK only if you apply for the DTA reduction that your UK broker will provide.

All your foreign income must be added to your local income in your returns. You will pay tax in the country where you "apply you wit, mind and time" for the income albeit CGT or Income tax.
So if you have a Managed Account in the UK and the manager trades frequently for over 3 years then it will be treated as CGT by SARS. If you do it from ZA, it will be Income.
Thanks Orca - I will read up on the DTA
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