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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2013, 02:09:30 pm »
The drop in the gold price is said to be due to signs of the US economy improving, and consequently talk of an end to stimulus.
Now can someone explain what degree of improvement is expected given that the worlds second largest trading block, the EU, is
totally and utterly in the doldrums, with several EU members posting negative GDP growth ?
Or is the Yankee market so huge and self sufficient that they don't need to export to the EU ?  :P

I don't quite see a lasting recovery in the USA, just more of the same with occasional positive pointers.
However, I may be totally wrong, after all we have China (sarcasm). (That's one nations products I loathe and
wherever possible try to avoid buying.)  >:(

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2013, 08:44:56 am »
Agree with you Mr Bond

 Portugal could struggle to avoid a second international rescue even if it, alongside Ireland, is granted more time to repay its existing bailout loans by eurozone finance ministers meeting in Dublin on Friday.
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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2013, 02:08:00 pm »
Yet another well thought out article on market rigging: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/thomaspascoe/100024081/the-gold-price-crash-is-further-evidence-of-market-rigging/

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As John Mauldin, one of the most impressive macro analysts out there, wrote in his newsletter this morning:

   
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Five hundred tons of paper gold contracts were sold dumped into the market on Friday. That is a lot of gold. In short, some people sold gold like they had a gun to their heads, in such a quantity and with such ferocity that the likelihood of their being a for-profit seller is right up there with my chances of winning this week's Masters

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2013, 03:35:14 pm »
According to Clifford Bennett, chief economist at financial services firm The White Crane Group, the perception of gold among investors has changed but the forces driving the precious metal have not.

He says that once traders with short positions in gold start to unwind their bets, the price of gold should rally as quickly as it fell over recent trading sessions.

(Read More: Market Tumble an Overdue Reality Check? )

"I sincerely believe that the moment the now significant short position holders begin to take profit, that this market will rally at least 50 percent of the fall just seen, just as rapidly," Bennett said in a note.

Disappointing U.S. and Chinese economic news in recent days and fears that Cyprus, and possibly other central banks, could dump their gold reserves have fueled negative sentiment towards the precious metal.

Gold prices have plunged about 16 percent over the past week to hit a two-year low of $1,321 per ounce on Tuesday, later rebounding to $1,367. The market suffered its sharpest ever one-day slide on Monday.

In a bid to stabilize volatility in gold markets, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange Group said it has raised collateral requirements for trading in benchmark gold, silver and other precious metals futures contracts, effective at the close of business on Tuesday.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-gold-bugs-still-hanging-114111520.html
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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2013, 04:03:04 pm »
The trouble is that folks are getting impatient with holding and waiting for inflation to take off. That hasn't happened for many years now, on the contrary, there is borderline deflation in many developed economies.
TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities) have accordingly suffered a huge selloff.


TIPS Take a Beating as Inflation Worries Wane

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After buying TIPS through December, the Minneapolis-based firm has been selling the securities. TIPS have suffered a sell- off during each of the past five years even though the Fed has pumped more than $2.5 trillion into the economy through its bond purchase programs in a policy known as quantitative easing.

“We’ve been told to expect inflation every year for the last four years and it hasn’t happened,” James Kochan, chief fixed-income strategist at Wells Fargo Funds Management LLC in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, said in an April 10 telephone interview. “I’m not a big believer that you have to buy inflation protection here.” Kochan said he has been advising investors to sell TIPS.

Sorry to take the wind out of your sails JaDEB  ;D

For what it's worth, I reckon that inflation will indeed make an appearance, but who knows  when ? The Japs have been waiting for 20± years.  ;)


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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2013, 04:40:04 pm »
Thanks Mr Bond,

I sold my SGL at R11.20, then bought DRD at R5.70, they produce gold at a lower cost and they are bringing results out 25th April.

I do not see this as long term, I just think that it is overdone. Thus I will sell shortly couple of weeks or so, irrelevant up or down.

PS. Do u not find the "other" site is more about C's lately, CFD's & CML.
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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2013, 04:51:11 pm »
I was going to add this to my previous post, but you beat me to it.

Edit: The above reason is of course not enough to account for the declines. The futures market (COMEX) traded 2300 tons of the stuff on Monday. That is equivalent to 80% of total yearly mine production. Cyprus would be a piddling 10 tons.
A small but powerful number of futures traders are obviously manipulating the market. It will probably take quite some time for the gold price to get back to the 1500/1600$ levels. For instance more QE, instead of a winding down of QE; possible, but that would simply push out the day of reckoning.

The other forum is more for traders (90% of posts), and our friend from MAD.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2013, 11:45:27 am »
Down load this thingy, very nice, it keeps Gold, Silver, plat, Pall and Rho prices running live on your computer at the bottom.

http://applications.kitco.com/supportcenter/taskbar/index.html
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2013, 11:51:24 am »
Down load this thingy, very nice, it keeps Gold, Silver, plat, Pall and Rho prices running live on your computer at the bottom.

http://applications.kitco.com/supportcenter/taskbar/index.html
Thanks, but I don't run Windows.

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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 11:58:29 am »
They have it for all, windows, doors, appl, Ipods.
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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2013, 05:38:36 pm »
They have it for all, windows, doors, appl, Ipods.
I see they have it for some Linux flavours. I could probably use the one for Fedora 13 on one of my 4 Linux distros.

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2013, 05:44:58 pm »
Warren Buffet - some things he said that you probably have heard. ;)

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“What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow,” Buffett wrote last year in a letter to shareholders. “During the past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis. As ‘bandwagon’ investors join any party, they create their own truth -- for a while.”

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“If you put your money into gold or other non-income- producing assets that are dependent on what someone else values that in the future, you’re in speculation,” he said. “You’re not into investing.”

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He asked readers to picture the world’s entire gold stock melded together into a cube 68 feet (21 meters) on each side valued at $9.6 trillion at then- prevailing prices. For the same amount, an investor could have purchased all the farmland in the U.S., 16 replicas of Exxon Mobil Corp., and still have about $1 trillion of “walking- around money.”

A century later, the farmland will be producing valuable crops no matter the currency, and dividends from the companies would probably added up to trillions of dollars, Buffett wrote.

The 170,000 metric tons of gold “will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything,” he wrote. “You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.”

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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2013, 06:14:09 pm »
Cube 68 feet (21 meters), they discussed it last night in IQ, Steven Frey. Interesting as well, if you take 1 ton off cellphones, there is more gold in there than 1 ton of sand/ore when they actually mine. Thus gold (I think) is actually one of the best conductors you can get, and does get used other than jewelry.

But I do see what you are saying, and agree fully. I need to recover about another 10%, all ready am up 6% with my DRD. Then I will climb out.

I just think (not good at it though) that gold is oversold, and of course some1 on radio said that the rand will weaken in the 2 years or so.

Also, say I sell DRD tomorrow, where do I put it. That has such a potential recovery ...
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2013, 07:01:17 pm »
I just think (not good at it though) that gold is oversold, and of course some1 on radio said that the rand will weaken in the 2 years or so.

Also, say I sell DRD tomorrow, where do I put it. That has such a potential recovery ...

The crux of the clip ? Nobody knows the fair value and things could go the other way. Useful eh ?  ;D
Never take the advice posted on forums.  ;)
If you don't trade because like me, you have better things to do than sitting in front of your computer worrying about when to set
stop losses etc. then rather go for stocks like BTI and SAB and Bidvest and APN and hold them through the years. They too will all
benefit from a weakening Rand. (Edit: and CML of course - yield, yield, yield !)
That way you have less worries and more time for gaming, and I have more time for playing with my Linux distros.  8)

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Re: Gold & Gold Shares
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2013, 07:34:29 pm »
THe oke looks (facial) like he has lots of SGL shares - down another 6% in US.  :o :o
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