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Off topic / Re: Thank You
« on: July 27, 2015, 08:07:01 am »
@orca they're probably using that as a platform for advertising and getting clients.
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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: July 25, 2015, 10:55:14 am »
wonder if this EM sell off is going to continue into next week...
CML YTD -30.79%
looks bleak
CML YTD -30.79%
looks bleak
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Off topic / Re: Thank You
« on: July 24, 2015, 04:35:40 pm »
yep. thank you indeed. for everyone's posts and the blog entries. life changer! what exactly did orca say? 
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Shares / Re: CoreShares Dividend Aristocrats ETF/S&P SA Dividends Aristocrat
« on: July 08, 2015, 11:36:23 am »
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Shares / Re: Twitter
« on: January 18, 2015, 07:00:32 pm »
trying twitter out for the first time.... most of the stuff on there is -i quote moonraker: crap, but there are some useful ones that post links to interesting articles. Trying to see if there is a wealth of information over social media that can be accessed in the same way investment clubs are run.
Thanks JDP for those,
@JustOneLap, @BizNewsCOM, and @Fin24 is another three that's potentially useful.... mostly companies well known in the investment circle.. there are some financial reporters and investment gurus' accounts, but then its gets laced with "crap."
Guess only way to is to give it a trial....
Thanks JDP for those,
@JustOneLap, @BizNewsCOM, and @Fin24 is another three that's potentially useful.... mostly companies well known in the investment circle.. there are some financial reporters and investment gurus' accounts, but then its gets laced with "crap."
Guess only way to is to give it a trial....
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Shares / FNB Share Investor Platform vs Stockbroker vs Fund Manager
« on: September 06, 2014, 03:37:01 pm »
Hi all,
Been following this forum for about half a year and only now making my first post
I know this topic has been touched on a few times, but its all over the place so I would just like to consolidate a few things followed by asking a question or two.
FNB: chose FNB out of convenience since I bank with them.
FNB share investor charges R49 pm = R588 per annum to use their platform.
Brokerage fee of 0.6% (min R80) now trade per transaction. Which means any transactions below R13 333 (calc by:R80 /0.006) is a bit of a waste.
Fund manager e.g ETF- STXINDI: (not going to even bother with active fund manager costs for obvious reasons)
TER: 0.45% per annum
Stockbrokers:
zero to as high as 3% depending on who you speak to.
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Following the above, going with Satrix themselves that charges 0.45% per annum, if you equate that to FNB's annual R588 charges, you would need to invest about R130 666 (calc by R588/0.0045).
Wouldn't that mean if you're investing anything more than R130 666 "threshold" with the Satrix fund manager.. you'd end up paying more in annual fees than if you had stuck with e.g FNB share investor? Of course there is FNBs 0.6% once off brokerage fee, but that would be offset against less than 2 years of TER with Satrix Fund Managers? You would obviously keep for more than 3 years for tax purposes, and any years beyond that is less management fees spent.
So if you had a lump sum greater than "threshold", it would be cheaper to go with FNB since annual fees are fixed at R588 (subject to FNB annual fee restructure but it would be minimal).
If you had monthly deposits on the other hand, below threshold then probably cheaper to go with Satrix themselves. Anything above threshold, 0.45% per annum vs 0.6% on amount deposited every month. Keep in mind 0.6% is once off, whereas 0.45% is every year on the TOTAL amount after shares have risen and dividends reinjected etc
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Assuming i'm correct up to now...which i may not be since i'm new to this...i'll go ahead and ask the dumb question
If you buy STXINDI through the FNB share investor or any other trader platform, would you still have to pay the TER 0.45% in addition to the FNB charges? or is that TER only when you buy directly through Satrix Fund Managers?
I'm planning on investing a lump sum in ETFs but not sure whether to go Satrix fund managers directly or just through FNB or any other online broker. I read through other topics some people have been doing it through Imara, though i've never heard of them so not sure...
p.s i hope my calculations are correct. If they are not, I apologize since I haven't touched mathematics since high school and it has been a while.
If all of the above is correct, why do people still go to Satrix Fund managers as opposed to just buying through another cheaper platform?
Any feedback is well appreciated,
thanks
Been following this forum for about half a year and only now making my first post
I know this topic has been touched on a few times, but its all over the place so I would just like to consolidate a few things followed by asking a question or two.FNB: chose FNB out of convenience since I bank with them.
FNB share investor charges R49 pm = R588 per annum to use their platform.
Brokerage fee of 0.6% (min R80) now trade per transaction. Which means any transactions below R13 333 (calc by:R80 /0.006) is a bit of a waste.
Fund manager e.g ETF- STXINDI: (not going to even bother with active fund manager costs for obvious reasons)
TER: 0.45% per annum
Stockbrokers:
zero to as high as 3% depending on who you speak to.
=========================================================================================
Following the above, going with Satrix themselves that charges 0.45% per annum, if you equate that to FNB's annual R588 charges, you would need to invest about R130 666 (calc by R588/0.0045).
Wouldn't that mean if you're investing anything more than R130 666 "threshold" with the Satrix fund manager.. you'd end up paying more in annual fees than if you had stuck with e.g FNB share investor? Of course there is FNBs 0.6% once off brokerage fee, but that would be offset against less than 2 years of TER with Satrix Fund Managers? You would obviously keep for more than 3 years for tax purposes, and any years beyond that is less management fees spent.
So if you had a lump sum greater than "threshold", it would be cheaper to go with FNB since annual fees are fixed at R588 (subject to FNB annual fee restructure but it would be minimal).
If you had monthly deposits on the other hand, below threshold then probably cheaper to go with Satrix themselves. Anything above threshold, 0.45% per annum vs 0.6% on amount deposited every month. Keep in mind 0.6% is once off, whereas 0.45% is every year on the TOTAL amount after shares have risen and dividends reinjected etc
=========================================================================================
Assuming i'm correct up to now...which i may not be since i'm new to this...i'll go ahead and ask the dumb question
If you buy STXINDI through the FNB share investor or any other trader platform, would you still have to pay the TER 0.45% in addition to the FNB charges? or is that TER only when you buy directly through Satrix Fund Managers?I'm planning on investing a lump sum in ETFs but not sure whether to go Satrix fund managers directly or just through FNB or any other online broker. I read through other topics some people have been doing it through Imara, though i've never heard of them so not sure...
p.s i hope my calculations are correct. If they are not, I apologize since I haven't touched mathematics since high school and it has been a while.
If all of the above is correct, why do people still go to Satrix Fund managers as opposed to just buying through another cheaper platform?
Any feedback is well appreciated,
thanks