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Wait a minute. I put in buy orders over the weekend. I bought at the price that was displayed on the buy page. Was that price outdated?

It would have been the Friday closing price.

There is another one, from marketwatch http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/
Enter symbol eg. ZA:NPN (doesn't have to be upper case.)

I like that one. They also seem to have data going quite far back:

The alsi goes back to 95, still looking for something that goes waaaay back.

So what you are saying is that when all is said and done(Unit trust fees,UT taxes etc),the Eft Indi will yield greater returns(short-medium-long term) than a Unit trust from Allen Gray or any other reputable investment company?

Yes, but not just me, the stats are saying that too. Here's some reading:
http://www.bdlive.co.za/personalfinance/2013/01/20/market-beats-manager-again
http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardfinger/2013/04/15/five-reasons-your-mutual-fund-probably-underperforms-the-market/
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-money-matters/can-the-pros-still-beat-the-market
http://www.iol.co.za/business/personal-finance/financial-planning/investments/beating-the-market-is-unrealistic-1.1383612#.UgJNHG3LL5k

If so,by what percentage does the Indi beat a Unit trust like the AG Equity Fund or Foord Equity Fund ?

Well the indi did 35.5% in the last 12 months, so it beat AG by 18.2%! But the benchmark they try to beat isn't actually the indi but the all share index (plus income). There just isn't an all share ETF, the top40 (satrix 40) is often treated as the all share, and that did 19.5% in the last 12 months, so that beat Allan Gray by 2.2%.

Wondering how big a difference that is over time:
R100k @ 17.4%  for 10 years (AG) = R497,371.58
R100k @ 19.5%  for 10 years (stx40) = R593,853.13
R100k @ 35.5%  for 10 years (stxind) = R2,086,377.80

Indi has just had a really good run (the market as a whole has actually been pretty good), who knows if it will continue, but if the top40 is beating the managers even with all this turmoil in mining you have to ask why anyone would use one.

It's all part of Orca's plan. Punt a share thats going down and buy omnia instead. Just stretching the lead 

Beware Moneypenny is coming to get you though 

Quote from: Patrick on August 02, 2013, 02:28:59 pm

You're right. JSE is down again. I've activated the backups links, it'll catch up in a few minutes.

Patrick - I am waiting to buy shares for the competition GFI - but your price is R54.20 and the share has been trading down around R 53.32 - I want to get in at this level not your feed price - anyway of getting into the competition at this price - don't really want to wait for the competition system to update

Link is up, update has also just run. Check the latest prices.

In my view Dvr has just dissed himself off the competition by adding R100k worth of 2c stock. Sad as he was doing so well. Does he not read the posts here about these penny stocks?

Penny shares have no place in an investor competition. Sadly I left them in to begin with. Next year they'll be gone, but we need to come up with a minimum qualification price. Maybe R1?

What? They should be putting their money where their goddamn mouth is.”

That was the response from one well known but irate US investor when I told him that fund industry professionals appear to be touting the advantages of active management as part of their day job, while investing their personal assets in low-cost passive funds.

Indeed, a poll by Ignites, an FTfm sister publication, of 1,001 fund staff – many of whom make their living promoting active products – reveals that two-thirds have a sizeable amount of their personal savings in passive funds. This includes 45 per cent who say they have a “significant” portion in passive products. Only one in five say they avoid passive funds altogether.

The findings should not be surprising, given that three-quarters of active managers never actually beat the market – a statistic those in the fund business know all too well. It does, however, leave a bitter taste in the mouth.

Here's the full article: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/23eba484-dffe-11e2-9de6-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2b4hXwcTq

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