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Alrighty then, i see the changes, but can you explain why my total worth on the shares is R75k+- but i invested over R120k +- in the shares ? what happened to the extra cash?

Agreed, i was wondering the same...

Wish I knew, the sens announcement clearly says 49/50 are deferred, so I divided all holdings by 50. I've looked at all the sens announcements and don't see anything else. If anyone can find more info I'd be happy to look at it.

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Shares / Re: Shuttleworth targets exchange laws
« on: June 12, 2013, 11:26:08 am »
I'm also hoping he wins. If you pay tax when you earn, and pay tax on any money made while investing, why should you have to pay again when you leave.

I can get my salary paid into a US account (tax exempt, my NGO has an agreement with the government), and from there invest it where I choose. I've been putting it firstly into my bond, and now into the JSE but I'm starting to rethink what I do with it now.

I'm an ETF person, so I don't want to pick individual shares, but I need to think about which markets ETFs I'd like to invest in. Any thoughts?

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 12, 2013, 09:58:38 am »
I don't want to add too many rules during the competition run, but for next year there'll be some sort of filter to remove the real penny shares. Quite likely a cost minimum as that is the simplest to implement, but I may try get a list of shares that are illiquid and filter those out too.

As for a penny share holder leading the chart, I think most of the users are smart enough to simply ignore penny share holders!

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: June 11, 2013, 06:29:20 pm »
I was too busy to pay attention to the markets today, but what the bleeep happened out there today? I took nearly a 3% knock overall, and my watchlist looks like an episode of spartacus!

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Shares / Re: Keepers - Long term
« on: June 11, 2013, 06:16:51 pm »
Patrick, Moneypenny, Orca and Mr Bond please add......
I barely feel qualified to comment here.  Could I say SATRIX INDI ::)

Seriously though, I would assume that the stocks you can call keepers may be ones with steady, consistent growth, and a market that would be unlikely to desert it (like SAB and BTI). If I had to list a company now, and take us to a new sector it would be Aspen. If we're all going to be drinking and smoking such a lot we'd better have something to look after ourselves with  :D

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If you are wondering about the huge jump up and then back down the leaderboard today, it's due to the fact that Central Rand Gold changed the way they value each share. The change in every day english, is that for every 50 shares you had, you now have 1.

If you had them in your portfolio you'll see the change. Hope you enjoyed the day waaaay on top of the leaderboard, and did some good bragging for a while too  :D

Here's the SENS announcement:
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(b) in relation to the register of members of the Company maintained in South Africa:
(i)
49 of every 50 Ordinary Shares held by a member as at 5.00 p.m. (South African time) on Friday, 14 June 2013 shall each be redesignated as Deferred Shares;
(ii)
any Ordinary Shares held by a member who, as at 5.00 p.m. (South African time) on Friday, 14 June 2013, holds less than 50 Ordinary Shares shall each be redesignated as Deferred
Shares; and
(iii)
any additional Ordinary Shares held by a member following the redesignation in sub-paragraph (b)(i) above shall each be redesignated as Deferred Shares.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 11, 2013, 03:01:14 pm »
Thanks for that. I'm not familiar with deferred shares, but for the competition,  does that mean I need to decrease the number of all the CRD shares by a factor of 50?

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 11, 2013, 01:17:03 pm »
Seems to have happened yesterday, but there must be some error somewhere as if I log onto fnb ittells me buyers 4c sellers 6c , sharenet says buyers R1.70 sellers R1.90.

There also appears to be a calcualation error on gizmmo,s  portfolio, he does not own own crd, I get to his toal holding when adding up his portfolio or is something not showing

Absa also has R1.70 and R1.90. Quite strange. No calculation error on gizmmo's profile, he's just delaying his holdings by 14 days, and only bought CRD recently.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 11, 2013, 12:41:43 pm »
Anyone want to speculate why central rand gold (CRD) traded at 195 cents compared to it's normal 6c per share?

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 10, 2013, 02:56:46 pm »
Patrick, my screen is not working again. Last I checked I was about 317th, where is I now?  :P

Can you speak a little louder, I can't hear you over that clanging sound :D

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 10, 2013, 10:15:57 am »
Not on the LeaderBoard Patrick. It is already there. On the "Groups". It is not there and would be great to have an index to beat in the "groups" section as well.

Like so: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_groups.php

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 09, 2013, 06:11:27 pm »
Patrick. If most people have equities, would it not be great to have an index in the "Groups" to beat? I vote the INDI.
Not sure I follow you here, the INDI and the top40 are on the leaderboard already, explain.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 08, 2013, 02:08:40 pm »
I was lying about a position 228 2 weeks ago, shares are frightening

Tell me about it! This site is going to save me an absolute fortune. Every now and then my ego says I can outsmart the indexes :wtf:

Back to buying ETFs with my cash...

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: June 08, 2013, 02:04:56 pm »
If there is a rights issue on a stock example RBA, will this come through on the our portfolio's or will this not cater for it in the investor challenge?

Tough one, could you explain in english what it means? If I understand right, all holders will get 28.69 shares per 100 shares held? What happens to people who are due fractions of a share?

How would you imagine it should be handled?

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Shares / Re: New compound interest calculator
« on: June 07, 2013, 07:30:01 pm »
Can you explain your calculations for "Balance in today's money"?

It doesn't seem to match any formula we've been looking at, like "present = inflated / (1 + inflation)^years"

http://www.investorchallenge.co.za/calc_compound.php?initial_deposit=10000&monthly_deposit=&yield=0&years=2&inflation=10

I was working backwards, from annual inflation to monthly inflation, but I've switched it now to the discounted present value formula as you've shown. It compares well with my back of the envelope calculations, let me know if you agree.

Only just found this thread. Great calculator. Thanks Patrick. I can now plan my move more correctly if no Double Dips and Triple Dips etc ahead.
If all goes according to plan I'll come visit you on my boat in Portugal in 12 years time. Make sure you find the good fishing spots  ;D

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