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Off topic / Re: Tapatalk
« on: October 11, 2013, 01:05:24 pm »
Tried it, found it pretty useful on small screens but wasn't willing to pay for it. I see it's now free though, so I might put it back on my new phone when it arrives.

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Shares / Re: SAtrixindi
« on: October 11, 2013, 12:08:41 pm »
You will want to keep your stocks for at least 3 years for tax sake. So here is a 3y chart. You can either pick 60% or 120%. Whichever suits your pocket.
I just cannot see the other indexes beating the Indi. Even the method used to pick the Rafi stocks should make it the best performer but it is not.
If one can use the Rafi stock picking method on the Indi stocks, you will have superior stocks.

Interestingly, someone has tried, the ABSA eRafi Industrial 25:
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The eRAFI™ Industrial 25 Index ETF is compiled using the innovative enhanced Research Affiliates Fundamental Index™ (eRAFI™) approach to portfolio construction pioneered by California-based Research Affiliates. The methodology weights shares based on fundamental valuation metrics - sales, cash flow, book price and dividends, as well as two additional filters (the quality of earnings screen and the financial distress risk screen) - rather than traditional market capitalisation.

Sounds good, but take a look at the chart. Seems the California-based Research Affiliates also got spanked by the market for trying to be clever  :LHST:

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: October 10, 2013, 10:46:49 am »
Agree with Orca, they will wait until the last moment, calling each others's bluff.

Same here, but secretly I'm hoping the fear sticks around for another two weeks as I have some backpay kicking in and I'd like to get better value for money on my next bunch of purchases  8)

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I paid off 2 and 3/4 bonds before I started with equities. Then I realised how the tax man was going to screw me since the rental income would be taxed at 40% without any interest on the bond to deduct. After that and months of contemplation I sold the two rentals and moved everything to equities, but kept my house which had a settled bond.

You're right in saying that the rental income will be higher than the dividend yield (I assume that's what you mean when you say income) of most portfolios, but will it still be if you take tax into account? And will it still be in 6 years when the equities have grown by an average of 16.7% p/a pretty much tax free, while the property has only increased to match inflation, and all the rent has been taxed? Assuming the properties are valued at R2.5ish mil (I'm guessing to get to the R14.5k/m after rates, taxes, levy etc) they'll be worth about R3.5m in 6 years and bring in an income of R20k (which is exactly the same as R14.5k today). 

Now you said that you could invest R45p/m and that it would take you 3 years to pay off the properties, so I'll assume out of the R2.5m you owe +- R1.6m, that leaves you with R900k in opportunity cash.

Using that number, and selling to go all equity on the other hand would mean you could currently get a dividend of 3.5% (satrix divi which FYI has done 115% in the last 5 years) or R2.6k per month, but in 6 years that portfolio would be worth R8.3m (R900k at 16.7% p/a + R45kp/m) and the dividend value of R24k per month (and I know someone is going to say but what if the divi doesn't grow, but there's nothing stopping you from buying the indi for instance and switching to the divi later).

That's already above property, but also effectively tax free. On the property side you'd have to pay plenty in taxes, and let's not forget that being a landlord is a job, and there's always maintenance costs to consider too. Plus over time the equity portfolio is likely to keep stretching the gap over property if you can handle the markets ups and downs and will soon provide far more income than the rentals even excluding taxes.

I don't know your whole situation though, you may be close to retirement and might want the reliable income of a rental, and you may be paying far less tax in future if you no longer have a day job, so as always don't take any advice blindly, but get your napkin out and start doing some maths.

What I will say is that if it was me and all I was concerned about was having the biggest nest egg possible (and it was a little while ago), I'd skip the property in favour of equity. If you're attached to the rentals, keep them bonded for the tax breaks but pay off your primary residence bond so you aren't paying compound interest there anymore before climbing into shares.

I must also mention this con to selling property. It costs you a lot of money. Not just in the 5% agents fees, but also because there's considerable time between signing the offer to purchase, and transfer taking place which means your investment is effectively losing 6%p/a for the months taken to transfer.

But really well done in getting your finances into such good shape. Not many people in SA have their finances this sorted. Throwing 75% to 80% of your net into investments is amazing (it's my goal for next year too). If you read the table on http://www.investorchallenge.co.za/the-only-way-to-get-rich/ you'll see that at 80% even starting from a 0 base you're only 5.7 years away from being financially free.

Big thumbs up  :TU:

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Off topic / Re: Warren Buffet quoted ..
« on: October 09, 2013, 10:59:31 am »
Coming out of his mouth: Buffett's best tip for personal finance

To summarise, stay out of debt and buy index funds.

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Shares / Re: LDT - Dividend amounts and Last Day to Trade
« on: October 08, 2013, 07:07:24 am »
my  small bti div does not reflect, don,t let it happen with my sgl div due the 7th ;)

If you stick the BTI dividend into the table it'll get paid. The system does backdate any payments that were missed.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: investor challenge
« on: October 07, 2013, 03:13:10 pm »
Patrick, are you sure we're buying at previous day close, doesn't seem so for TKG. Closed 2523 Friday, can buy for 2662 now - what am I doing wrong here?

Nope, that's not the case, else everyone would just buy when the market has already gone up! Prices are live (delayed somewhere between 15 and 25 minutes. The only time you'd buy at the previous days close is if you buy after trading hours.

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: October 07, 2013, 10:03:27 am »
Don’t forget about comet ISON, also known as ‘Comet of the Century’s get-together with Earth around 28 November.

Interesting, never knew we had one coming. Beware of Nike wearing cult loonies!

Oh and welcome back!

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Shares / Re: Do you have shares here?
« on: October 04, 2013, 12:14:38 pm »
Well considering my share portfolio is just satrix indi and coronation... only in the top 20 ;D

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Off topic / Anyone noticed how fast things are lately :)
« on: October 04, 2013, 09:53:18 am »
One of my sites apps went live unexpectedly at midnight on the blackberry store a few days ago, and downloads went from 20 a day to 400 in one day. This seemed to push things slightly over the edge without me watching, so I had quite a shock when I woke up.

Normally server loads hover between 2 and 4 (I have 4 processors, so anything over 4 means something has to wait for a processor), but by the time I woke up I was on a load of 10 with spikes over 20???.

Anyway, I had to look into optimising my code. I re-wrote a section to cache a number of values, which helped a fair amount, but in doing so I also noticed that there was an empty field where I would have preferred a zero. Empty fields don't bother php, but on the java side on the phone, it kept requesting more data as it didn't understand the blank. That damn zero was creating havoc and I never even knew! Happily load now stays under 1 mostly, so I could even cut my processors in half if I felt like it, or triple the traffic to my sites without needing an upgrade  ;D

Here's what clean code can do



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Off topic / Re: Satrix 40 and Satrix Indi Portfolio
« on: October 04, 2013, 09:40:35 am »
Satrix indi
Year ending 2010: 26.18%
Year ending 2011: 9.84%
Year ending 2012: 43.8%

Satrix 40
Year ending 2010: 16.88%
Year ending 2011: 1.59%
Year ending 2012: 25.49%

Including divies.

Sources:
http://www.satrix.co.za/products/alldocuments.aspx?fund=Satrix%20INDI
http://www.satrix.co.za/products/alldocuments.aspx?fund=Satrix%2040

Note I found a place where you can get historical prices for the JSE going back to the 70s (if the share existed then)! Here's the link for the INDI, just enter a date and hit set. Doesn't include divies of course:
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/fund/STXIND/historical?countrycode=ZA&siteid=mktw&date=15%2F12%2F2010&x=5&y=11&userName=&password=&remChk=on&returnUrl=&persist=

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Shares / Re: STX40 vs RMBT40 (read this before you buy Satrix 40)
« on: October 04, 2013, 09:16:06 am »
Thanks for working that out. Costs make a huge difference! Mind if I ask where you got the TER numbers from?

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Off topic / Re: The shutdown in US.
« on: October 03, 2013, 08:22:04 am »
To play devils advocate here, what are the thoughts on the free healthcare for all available in Canada and some other countries?

I was once a recipient when checking in to a hospital in Rome after a huge mountain bike crash. Tried to whip out my credit card after all the xrays, plaster casts and stitching was over and got funny looks from everyone. Emergency healthcare in Italy is free for locals and foreigners.

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Off topic / Re: Fish Hoek murder.
« on: October 03, 2013, 08:19:11 am »
I was following this when it as just a missing person's case. So sad it turned out the way it did.

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Shares / Re: Tax
« on: October 01, 2013, 01:43:31 pm »
Just when I thought I was getting a grip on the tax, I read this in the Comprehensive share holder guide.
Not all sales of shares trigger a tax event.
If you rebalance your portfolio by selling some of share X and adding to share Y within 45 days then;
If you made a gain of R2 000 on the sale of X then this gain must be deducted from the cost price of share Y. This lowers the Base Cost of share Y.

If you made a loss of R2 000 then you must add R2 000 to share Y. This increases the Base Cost of share Y.
 :wall:

Very interesting indeed. Please let us know where you found this. I'd love to know if this would apply to the sale of my unit trusts and purchasing of ETFs as I'm dying to do that but won't if I must pay income tax.

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