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Shares / Re: Mr Div's CFD diary :: How to loose R25K in a few easy steps
« on: December 21, 2015, 08:35:27 am »
This is something I've always wandered about but never had the apples to try. It will be interesting to see how a relative beginner progresses. Good thread.

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Shares / SGA
« on: December 18, 2015, 11:00:04 pm »
SGA 1.11 cents - LDT: 31 Dec 2015

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Shares / RTOP
« on: December 18, 2015, 11:00:04 pm »
RTOP 6.00 cents - LDT: 31 Dec 2015

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Shares / ILA
« on: December 18, 2015, 11:00:04 pm »
ILA 24.00 cents - LDT: 31 Dec 2015

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Shares / AOVP
« on: December 18, 2015, 11:00:04 pm »
AOVP 6.00 cents - LDT: 31 Dec 2015

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Off topic / Live chat
« on: December 18, 2015, 02:13:20 pm »
LON adjusted. It'll look weird to those who still hold, but the overall chart should work out.

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Shares / Re: Wait. ETF sales are ALWAYS taxed as CGT?
« on: December 18, 2015, 01:00:39 pm »
Yes, that was it! It is pretty cool though, if you can live on smaller amounts it's far more tax efficient being an investor than a salaried worker.

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Shares / Re: Wait. ETF sales are ALWAYS taxed as CGT?
« on: December 18, 2015, 12:27:27 pm »
Nope, you're right, you will still pay dividend tax and VAT of course.

Mr Dividend has another method which I wrote about here: http://investorchallenge.co.za/lets-all-be-guilty-of-tax-avoidance/

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Shares / Re: STXIND vs DIVTRX
« on: December 18, 2015, 10:27:14 am »
Thanks Patrick, I will be interested to hear what you think about https://exchange4free.co.za/.

I have done a few transfers and got better rates than through my bank. If you do R100k+ you don't pay any fees. They also cover the fees on the receiving end.

They're one of the brokers I'm looking at. It seems all the brokers charge pretty much the same. There are no fees, but their rate is mid-market+1%, so in the end you still pay R10 000 per million. Interestingly, they all use mercantile in the background to do the transfer, so I'm trying to cut out the middle man by dealing with mercantile directly to see if it will lower my fees.

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Shares / Re: Lonmin
« on: December 18, 2015, 10:24:37 am »
guess we will need to adjust the lonmin price and share holding in the competition aswell...to reflect the consolidation.....
Yes, do you have a sens link I can check on?

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Shares / Re: STXIND vs DIVTRX
« on: December 18, 2015, 10:16:05 am »
@Patrick

In your post above you say: "One more graph comparing VT, the world index US citizens can buy (lowest cost but foreigners mustn't buy it)"

Why do you say foreigners mustn't buy VT? Are you referring to the estate tax implications?
(If you have a GlobeTax agreement in place, will VTI+VEU not give you an overall lower expense ratio?)

Also, how will you be buying your VWRD? (From a USD based account with Standard Bank WebTrader or Absa World Trader?)

Some links I have been reading:
https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Some-Nonresidents-with-U.S.-Assets-Must-File-Estate-Tax-Returns
http://www.turtleinvestor.net/faq-vanguard-ftse-world-ucits-etf-vwrd/
http://www.turtleinvestor.net/establishing-bogleheads-3-fund-portfolio-singapore/
Yes, it's the estate tax. If you are going to invest more than $60k in the US and you die, your family will have to pay huge taxes on the money. Also if you invest in the US you would pay 30% divvy tax. Our tax agreement will lower it to 15%, but if you're ever classed as a non-resident, it'll go back up to 30%. Or if you go to a country with a higher divvy tax rate, you'll pay that rate. With the Irish domiciled funds you'll never pay more than 15%, and currently it's 11%.

VTI and VEU would be low cost, but it's not a world index, just US and Europe. Also again, they're US domiciled so divvy tax as above applies.

I'm buying through interactive brokers. Their costs are the best I've found for a foreigner, particularly if you can keep $100k there, as then they drop the $10 a month minumum charge fee. ABSA wants a custodian fee, and I refuse to pay that anywhere! Also I quite like the idea that the money is out of reach of the SA government. I've opened an account, I'm just busy doing tax clearance etc, and looking for the cheapest way to move funds out of SA and into Dollars. Once I have it all figured out and successfully done then, I plan to do a blog post on it.

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Off topic / Live chat
« on: December 18, 2015, 07:47:23 am »
And the fed raises rates, expecting emerging markets to tank, but instead they go up. This is why I don't try and time the markets!

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The Investor Challenge / Re: How is this possible?
« on: December 17, 2015, 03:52:24 pm »
What are the costs for shorting?

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Shares / Re: STXIND vs DIVTRX
« on: December 17, 2015, 03:27:22 pm »
It's actually done way better than that, in rand terms it's done 200% in 5 years if you include divvies. I think your calculation didn't take into account the fact that the dollar strengthening against the rand also compounds. A better way to compare would be to compare both funds in Rand. The closest to that would be to compare STXIND and DBXWD over a 5 year period:

As you can see, DBXWD wins, most likely because the rand is a big loser. VWRD should have the same performace as DBXWD, but pay 0.43% more in dividends. VWRD pays about 2% per year after taxes, while STXIND pays 1.4% before taxes, so about 1.2% after. That means that even though VWRD has outperformed, it would also have paid about 0.8% a year more in dividends.

Plus of course, VWRD is VERY diversified, 6000+ companies, so a far lower risk than STXIND which has just 25 companies, but a huge 40%+ in two companies, SAB and NPN. With VWRD the biggest holding I believe is apple at 1.8%.

I've done a lot of research into the best play for a non-US resident to put their money, and the bight sparks at bogleheads suggest VWRD almost without fail. I'm going to transition all my holdings into it as soon as I can without incurring a huge amount of fees and taxes.

Edit, just thought I'd try a $ denominated graph. Here's VWRD compared to the iShares MSCI South Africa ETF, basically the SA all share index over the last 4 years (VWRD is only 4 years old):

How miserable does that make you, that in $ terms, the JSE has lost 20% over the last 4 years.

One more graph comparing VT, the world index US citizens can buy (lowest cost but foreigners mustn't buy it) to the JSE all share, all available data:

Here you can see that during the commodities boom, from 2009 to 2013, South Africa outperformed the world by a fairly long way. But in 2013 that ended, anyone want to place money on SA outperforming the world in dollar terms again anytime soon?

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The Investor Challenge / Re: How is this possible?
« on: December 17, 2015, 11:59:23 am »
Weird, clearly there's a bug somewhere that allowed three transactions to go off instead of one for ACL. I'll look into it, and hopefully sort the bug out before next years challenge.

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