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Off topic / Re: Accuratley calculating portfolio performance
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:50:33 pm »
As far back as I can remember, there has always been a fight. Say you had 1 million, should you pay off your bond or invest it in an ETF like the STXIND?
The question is actually would you save more in interest settling your bond than what you would get in growth if you went the shares way.

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:45:12 pm »
Nios, does Simon's Lazy system really work? It seems you get in and out pretty late waiting for all his signals to align. He explained it to us about 6 years ago but I never investigated it deeper.

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 30, 2014, 04:47:28 pm »
Patrick, actually you are wrong. There is a big component that you are missing. You can't compare apples with apples. Somebody mentioned earlier in this forum about "probably due to the price fluctuation. Rand cost averaging". Remember, over a 3 year period you will via your monthly purchases, buy the dips. That would give you more bang for your buck as you are purchasing in those dips giving you more "shares" in the ETF for the same amount of money.

In those dips, the lump sum option will actually lose money and will most probably make it back once the market rises again, but the monthly oke got more out of that dip.

What I do agree with you is that the table is not correct. The comparison should be between a lump sum of R10800 and doing it monthly to a total of R10800 with R300 increments.

Of course there is another component that will mess all this up. Dividends. Let's say the lump sum oke got 1000 shares for his R10800 on day one and of course he gets dividends on 1000 shares for a period of 3 years. The monthly oke starts with, aaaaa, let say R300 and has 50 shares. Hmmmm thinking of this the monthly oke might start small but will have more shares at the end than the lump sum oke. So the month oke should earn more dividends towards the end.

Dem it would be nice to unravel this precisely with true blue information. Any volunteers?

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 30, 2014, 07:28:21 am »
This would be pretty interesting. Let's say you buy R3000 worth of SatrixINDI shares every time it pulls back by, mmmmmmm a Rand. Or maybe it should be 5 Rand. That should make a massive difference in your profits. Of course you will need time on your side. Would be interesting to see the comparison if you did that on every dip.

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 30, 2014, 07:21:47 am »
Look at the 3 year entry in the table. Massive difference!

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 30, 2014, 07:19:07 am »
I have an article somewhere that I printed off the web that states doing the monthly thing is better than doing a once off payment. It was strange to read this as I would have thought going all in with a bang would give better returns.

Aha, found it. Here you go - http://www.fin24.com/Money/Money-Clinic/Investments/Investing-in-Satrix-40-20140117

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Shares / Re: Dividends and ETF's
« on: May 29, 2014, 10:10:52 pm »
Ja I have checked there but I can't see dividends per ETF.

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Shares / Re: How does the satrix indi do so well?
« on: May 29, 2014, 08:20:58 am »
I have an article somewhere that I printed off the web that states doing the monthly thing is better than doing a once off payment. It was strange to read this as I would have thought going all in with a bang would give better returns.

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Shares / Dividends and ETF's
« on: May 29, 2014, 08:16:55 am »
Guys where can I get a list of all the ETF's in South Africa that shows the best dividend paying ETF? I can find a list for shares but not for ETF's.

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Shares / Re: Investment Options -Kids Retirements
« on: May 26, 2014, 08:53:01 pm »
I second the ETF route. Just keep in mind it is not a do once-and-forget thing. Learn all about it and compare. Be active. :TU:

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Shares / Hmmmm, my 2 cents worth
« on: May 21, 2014, 08:15:21 pm »
Why buying expensive shares are not necessarily a good thing.

I have here 2 shares from the current leaders stack.

CPI    CAPITEC BANK HLDGS LTD    338    17695    22300    26.02%    R75,374.00    12.89%
NPN    NASPERS LTD -N-                   248    100650    122000    21.21%    R302,560.00    51.76%

Lets look at this a bit closer.
CPI - Capital layout = 338 x R176.95 = R59809.10
CPI - Profit = R223.00 - 176.95 = R46.05 x 338 = R15564.90
So for an exposure of +- 60 grand you made +- 15 grand

NPN - Capital layout = 248 x R1006.50 = R 249 612.00
NPN - Profit = R1220.00 - 1006.50 = R213.50 x 248 = R52948.00
So for an exposure of +- 250 grand you made +- 53 grand

The question - Is it worth buying the very expensive shares? If this user had stuck his 250 grand into the cheaper share he would have made a total of 5 times more money +- 77 grand instead of 15 + 53 = 68 grand

That is a 9 grand difference. Both shares are good shares.

Makes me wonder if you should have a high and low price. Under a certain price you have risk and over a certain price you have profit issues if I can put it that way.

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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:37:20 pm »
Me 2 - Can't see my holdings.

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The Investor Challenge / Re: ETF's?
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:34:52 pm »
Isn't it strange how so many ETF's beat stock picking? Makes you wonder if trading single stocks is really the way to go.

Hey Patrick, next year you expand the competition and throw up a ETF section. Let's see who reads the ETF's correctly. In any case, I have a suspicion that fund managers buy a lot of ETF's instead of direct shares to negate risk.

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Shares / Re: Tools and software applications for beginners
« on: May 20, 2014, 04:19:44 pm »
Some software allow you to put a MA directly on the RSI indicator. I am not talking about the chart. Take a 14 period RSI indicator and put a 6 period MA on it. Here is an example. Look what happens when the RSI crosses the MA. Yes this is a futures chart but it gives you an idea. I would like to test this on shares.

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Shares / Re: Tools and software applications for beginners
« on: May 18, 2014, 06:57:29 am »
While we are on this subject. Do any of your charts allow you to add a Moving Average to your RSI indicator?

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