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Shares / Re: Platinum
« on: July 30, 2013, 09:28:37 am »
Gold Loss to Platinum Widening for Best Forecasters

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Platinum prices that were lower than gold in April, when bullion entered a bear market, cost 11 percent more on July 15, the most in almost two years. The current 8.6 percent premium will expand to an average 19 percent in the fourth quarter, according to estimates from the five most-accurate precious metals analysts tracked by Bloomberg over the past two years. Investors own a near-record amount in platinum exchange-traded products as gold holdings slumped to a three-year low.
The improving global economy is boosting car sales and demand for platinum used in autocatalysts as falling supply curbs output from South Africa, the top producer, to a 13-year low, leaving a shortage. About 60 percent of platinum demand is from industrial applications, compared with 10 percent for gold. Bullion prices are heading for the first annual drop in 13 years as investor demand wanes.
Hmm.. maybe my reasoning was not altogether off the mark ?

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Shares / Re: Commodities
« on: July 29, 2013, 12:28:05 pm »
I think, JaDEB and maybe some other resources optimists might want to read the following .. (different opinions are aired, but overall it ain't looking hunky dory).

China 3% Growth Risk Seen by Barclays

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A copper price collapse of more than 60 percent, zinc cut by up to a half and oil down to $70 a barrel. That’s the fate facing world commodity markets should China’s growth dip to 3 percent in the next three years -- a scenario economists at Barclays Plc (BARC) are now examining.

They’re not the only ones building models based on a steep decline in growth in the world’s second-biggest economy. Nomura Holdings Inc. (8604) estimates a one-in-three chance of a sharp drop by the end of 2014, and Societe Generale SA sees a “non-negligible risk” of less than 6 percent growth this year and an outside chance of 3 percent average expansion for this half and next.

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Shares / Re: Tax
« on: July 28, 2013, 02:39:11 pm »
While I'm on the subject of Donations Tax. A while back when I was more ignorant on tax matters, I thought I was clever by donating half my stocks to my wife to divide my tax burden. This can be done tax free and even my broker was about to transfer the stocks when I found out that it would not work.
According to SARS, any profits made on this donation will still be for my account. Not my wife's.
Yeah, it's a confusing matter. If you transfer assets to your spouse (shares included), you should in my opinion be subject to rollover relief. However be wary of this:
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Transfers of assets between spouses for the purpose of tax avoidance may result in the capital gain or loss arising in the hands of the transferee spouse being attributed to the transferor spouse under para 68.
Check point 3 below:
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1.What does roll-over mean and what assets disposed of are subject to roll-over relief?

Where assets are subject to roll-over it means that a CGT liability does not arise upon disposal but is rather deferred until a subsequent event to the extent that proceeds from the disposal are invested in a replacement asset. In the case of transfer of assets between spouses, the spouse disposing of the asset is treated as having disposed of the asset at an amount equal to its base cost and the spouse receiving it is treated as having acquired it at a cost of the same amount.

Assets disposed of under the following circumstances are subject to roll-over relief:

1. Involuntary disposal of certain assets under certain circumstances (Para. 65)

2. Reinvestment in replacement assets, under certain conditions (Para. 66)

3. Transfer of assets between spouses (Para. 67)

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Paragraph 67(1)(a) provides that the disposing spouse must disregard any capital gain or loss when disposing of an asset to his or her spouse.
13.3.3 The transferee (acquiring) spouse
Paragraph 67(1)(b) ensures that the spouse to whom an asset is disposed of takes over all aspects of the history of the asset from that person’s spouse and where applicable, from the executor of the deceased estate of that person’s spouse,494 namely,
• the dates of acquisition and incurral of expenditure,
• the expenditure incurred,
• the currency in which the expenditure was incurred,495
• the usage, and
• any amount received or accrued in respect of the asset that would have constituted proceeds on disposal of the asset had it been disposed of to a person other than the transferee.496
494 Paragraph

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: July 26, 2013, 04:51:00 pm »
Cosumer sentiment in US is up.

Consumer sentiment

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Shares / Re: Long term investments
« on: July 26, 2013, 01:15:31 pm »
A bit more Rand strengthening and then it will be a good time to add.
SAB drops sharply after trading update for ¼ ended June 30th. SABMiller Quarterly Sales Miss Estimates on Wet European Weather

SENS

Good time to add - your views...

Remember if you buy on or before LDT you will get the divi.

The rate of exchange determined on Wednesday, 24 July 2013 for converting to
South African Rand is US$:ZAR = 9.701047 resulting in an equivalent final
dividend of 746.98062 SA cents per share.

The dividend will be payable on Friday, 23 August 2013 to all shareholders
registered on the London and Johannesburg registers on Friday, 16 August 2013.
The ex-dividend trading dates will be Wednesday, 14 August 2013 on the London
Stock Exchange and Monday, 12 August 2013 on the JSE Limited.

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: July 25, 2013, 03:09:07 pm »
US data

The latest weekly initial jobless claims count totaled 343,000, which was higher than the 340,000 that had been expected by the Briefing.com consensus. Today's tally was above the revised prior week count of 336,000. As for continuing claims, they fell to 2.997 million from 3.116 million.


June durable goods orders increased by 4.2%, which was better than the 1.8% increase that had been expected among economists polled by Briefing.com. This comes after the prior month's reading was revised up to reflect an increase of 5.2%.

Excluding transportation related items, durable goods orders were unchanged, which was worse than the 0.3% increase that had been broadly anticipated.

7/25/2013 7:58:06 AM ET



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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: July 25, 2013, 01:05:46 pm »
South Africa's headline producer inflation accelerated more than expected to 5.9 percent year-on-year in June from 4.9 percent in May, Statistics South Africa said on Thursday.

Prices at the factory gate rose by 0.8 percent on a month-on-month basis in June from 0.3 percent in May.


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Shares / Re: Long term investments
« on: July 25, 2013, 12:44:31 pm »
SAB drops sharply after trading update for ¼ ended June 30th. SABMiller Quarterly Sales Miss Estimates on Wet European Weather

SENS

Good time to add - your views...

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Off topic / Math lesson
« on: July 25, 2013, 12:17:26 pm »
Orca, take note, you may learn something.  ;)


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Off topic / Re: Under attack!
« on: July 24, 2013, 03:44:37 pm »

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: July 24, 2013, 10:35:09 am »
Johannesburg - South Africa's headline consumer inflation undershot market expectations in June, slowing to 5.5% year-on-year from 5.6% in May, data showed on Wednesday.

Maybe some more Rand strength as a result.

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Shares / Re: Devastating market crash. When ?
« on: July 21, 2013, 10:08:22 am »
Orca, thanks, I tend to agree with that.

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Shares / Re: Devastating market crash. When ?
« on: July 20, 2013, 09:13:46 am »
Moon. Gimme info. I know nothing about hedge funds or anything for that matter.
You know, stocks that provide some protection against a falling Rand because their revenue base is in $, €, ₤, etc. but listed on the JSE.
Stocks like BTI, SAB, NPN. Even BVT now earns under 50% form ZA sources, APN soon around 25%.

(I am thinking of getting some NPN, but not sure due to PE of 45+ The share may have run ahead of itself with a 45% odd increase since the beginning of 2013. What do you think ?).

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Shares / Re: Devastating market crash. When ?
« on: July 19, 2013, 08:08:09 pm »
Orca, I am waiting for your answer, or are you otherwise occupied ?

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Shares / Re: Devastating market crash. When ?
« on: July 19, 2013, 06:56:00 pm »
A "devastating" market crash can only come out the blue like in 2008 with the Lehman Bros fiasco. We sailed through the Greek saga and Fiscal Cliffs etc. There are no crashes in sight. We had a good year and everything is improving.
This thread should have been called "Market Correction. When ?".
What, I get no karma for starting this thread ?  ;)
Orca, do you have any rand hedge stocks ? You will need them - or buy some US stocks like Berkshire Hathaway. ZA is in for it (or whatever else you want to call it).
Thanks for bumping the thread.  8)

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