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Off topic / Live chat
« on: June 23, 2014, 05:16:42 pm »
Seems OK if I use 8.8.8.8

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Off topic / Live chat
« on: June 23, 2014, 05:15:46 pm »
Patrick, my message is not in 'Sent'. I think maybe a DNS thingie. Will check tomorrow.

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Off topic / Re: The server has been upgraded
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:07:48 pm »
Any better on your end now Moonraker?

Nope, I still need to refresh at least once otherwise 90% of the time nothing loads.


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Off topic / Re: The server has been upgraded
« on: June 23, 2014, 01:30:43 pm »
Moonraker, are you talking about on the forum or the competition?
The forum seems worst affected.

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Off topic / Re: The server has been upgraded
« on: June 23, 2014, 12:49:57 pm »
Big problems here. Pages not loading at all unless refreshed - then lengthy wait ....



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Off topic / Re: The server has been upgraded
« on: June 23, 2014, 12:38:59 pm »
Big problems here. Pages not loading at all unless refreshed - then lengthy wait ....


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Shares / Re: PSG Konsult
« on: June 15, 2014, 01:27:02 pm »
The interest exemption is 23.800-00 (<65) not 31.000-00
So you can have an interest bearing investment(s) of 340.000-00 @7% = 23.800-00 and pay zero tax on the 340.000-00
Taking the NBKP pref. @ currently ± 7% you would pay tax of 3.570-00 (15%).
If you double the invested amount, and assuming a 30% marginal tax rate:-
Interest bearing investment(s) is 680.000-00 @7% = 47.600-00 less 23.800-00 (exempt) = 23800-00 taxable @ marginal rate 30% = 7.140-00 tax
NBKP pref. - 680.000-00 @ ± 7% = 47.600-00 less 15% = 40.460-00. Tax also 7140-00
So the higher your income and marginal tax rate, the larger the benefit in favour of pref. shares.
Pref. shares are best suited for high net worth folks and are for the longer term. Their attractiveness increases in a rising interest rate cycle, when they should outperform bonds. Capital gains (and losses) can be made.

See also Here

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Shares / Re: PSG Konsult
« on: June 12, 2014, 09:41:48 am »
Pref. shares are tax free after the dividend withholding tax. When STC was abolished and replaced by the withholding tax, investors thought they would be worse off, but the bank prefs, like NBKP, not wanting to leave investors worse off, increased their payout from 75% of prime to 83.33%

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Amendment to the terms of the non-redeemable non-cumulative non-participating   
preference shares in the issued share capital of Nedbank Limited (`Nedbank     
perpetual preference shares`)                                                   
Holders of Nedbank perpetual preference shares are referred to the             
announcement, released on the Securities Exchange News Service (SENS) of JSE   
Limited on 1 March 2007, setting out the potential effects on the Nedbank       
perpetual preference shares of the then proposed amendments to the tax         
legislation regarding the introduction of a dividend tax on all distributions, 
including dividend distributions, by a company to its shareholders, as         
contemplated in sections 64D to 64N of the Income Tax Act, 58 of 1962, as       
amended (`Income Tax Act`) (`dividend tax`), in the place of STC. Those         
proposals have now been incorporated into the necessary amending legislation,   
which has come into effect and will apply from 1 April 2012.                   
As a result of the amendments to tax legislation, the board of directors of     
Nedbank Limited has resolved, subject to the passing of the required           
resolutions by holders of Nedbank perpetual preference shares and holders of   
Nedbank Group Limited ordinary shares, to amend the rate used to calculate the 
preference dividend payable on the Nedbank perpetual preference shares, from   
the current rate of 75% of the prime rate to 83,33% of the prime rate.         
The amendment will apply to dividend number 19, the dividend declared and paid 
on Nedbank perpetual preference shares on or after 1 April 2012, the date on   
which dividend tax becomes effective.         

With rising interest rates their prices should rise, i.e. it's not a bad time to buy them, but only if you are
looking for tax relief as a high income earner. The after tax yield will always be way better than parking
cash in the money market.

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Shares / Re: Rand / $
« on: June 11, 2014, 04:19:00 pm »
Yeah, we are truly stuffed, especially when factoring in that gold mining will more or less cease in 4/5 years. All those unskilled workers jobless with no hope of employment (unless they are made to work the land a là kibbutz).
On the local market I would only consider Rand hedges like SAB which incidentally may be swallowed by Anheuser Busch, which would be very good as Anheuser have better margins than SAB, plus they would get SAB's emerging market exposure.
Of course long term the Rand will weaken i.e. it certainly won't break its very long term nasty downward trend.
11/11.30 by year end.

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Shares / Re: Today's Outlook
« on: June 05, 2014, 02:10:57 pm »
Daar het jy dit nou. Goeie genade.  ???  :)

ECB President Mario Draghi reduced the deposit rate to minus 0.10 percent from zero, making the institution the world’s first major central bank to use a negative rate. Policy makers also lowered the benchmark rate to 0.15 percent from 0.25 percent. Draghi will hold a press conference at 2:30 p.m. in Frankfurt.

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Shares / Re: Devastating market crash. When ?
« on: June 04, 2014, 01:58:24 pm »
From:- http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc140602.htm

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In my view, investors should be thinking very seriously about the extent of potential market losses over the completion of the present market cycle. It is the wrong question to ask “where else am I going to put my money with short-term interest rates near zero?” The problem with that question is that it carries the implicit assumption that the expected return on stocks is even positive or adequate given the prospective risks. At present, the better question is “do I prefer a zero loss to the prospect of a 40-60% interim loss in a market that is strenuously overbought and overbullish, and has returned to valuations that are more than double reliable historical valuation norms?”

On Friday, our estimate of prospective 10-year S&P nominal total returns set a new low for this cycle, falling below 2.2% annually. This is worse than the level observed at the 2007 market peak, or at any point in history outside of the late-1990's market bubble. It's possible that investors could drive prospective returns even lower than they are now, and valuations even higher than they are now, as investors did during that bubble. Still, even that advance started to be punctuated by abrupt vertical declines or "air pockets" once overvalued, overbought, overbullish features emerged (recall for example the increasingly frequent and distinct peak-trough corrections of 10% or more in Oct 1997, Jul-Oct 1998, Jul-Oct 1999, Jan-Feb 2000, Mar-Apr 2000, and Sep-Oct 2000 even before more severe losses got underway). See Setting the Record Straight for a general review of current valuations and prospective returns.

If your answer is still to take your chances in stocks, my only hope is that you do it consciously, fully aware that you’ve decided to ignore or discount the lessons from a century of historical evidence. The simple fact is that somebody has to hold stocks at present levels, so there’s really no point in trying to convince others to embrace our concerns, or to answer every second-guess that presumes that “this time is different.” I’ll be quite happy if at least stocks are being held by those who understand the full narrative of the recent half-cycle, and have seen, considered, and discarded our work.

"Well bought is half-sold. it takes a lot of hard work or a lot of luck to turn something bought at a too-high price into a successful investment. There aren't always great things to do, and sometimes we maximize our contribution by being discerning and relatively inactive. Patient opportunism - waiting for bargains - is often your best strategy."


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Shares / Re: GlencoreXstrata - GLN
« on: May 28, 2014, 07:08:31 pm »
GLN should outperform BIL and AGL in my opinion. Less iron ore exposure (there is an oversupply I think). Also it is still waiting for inclusion in the all share index which will give the price a spurt. Plus of course they are traders in commodities, so flexible and very diversified globally etc.

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Off topic / The 'Second Phase' vs the NDP
« on: May 28, 2014, 03:14:50 pm »
The 'Second Phase' vs the NDP

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The central message of President Zuma's second inaugural address is that, during the next five years, his new government will launch the "second phase of our transition from apartheid to a national democratic society.

This second phase will involve the implementation of radical socio-economic transformation policies and programmes over the next five years."

The bad news for white South Africans is that the 'second phase' is aimed primarily at their established and legitimate economic interests.

Read the whole article.

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Shares / Re: All things ZA economic outlook
« on: May 27, 2014, 12:32:31 pm »
GDP 1st ¼ 2014 DOWN -0.6%

The seasonally adjusted real gross domestic product (GDP) at market prices for the first quarter of 2014 decreased by an annualised rate of 0,6 percent. The main contributors to this decrease in economic activity were the mining and quarrying industry (-1,3 percentage points) and the manufacturing industry (-0,7 of a percentage point).

The mining and quarrying industry’s contribution of -1,3 percentage points was based on a negative growth of 24,7 percent, due to lower production in the mining of gold, the mining of other metal ores (including platinum) and ‘other’ mining and quarrying (including diamonds).

The manufacturing industry’s negative contribution of 0,7 of a percentage point was based on a negative growth of 4,4 percent, mainly due to lower production in the petroleum, chemical products, rubber and plastic products division and the basic iron and steel, non-ferrous metal products, metal products and machinery division.

The biggest positive contributors in economic activity included finance, real estate and business services (0,4 of a percentage point), the wholesale, retail and motor trade; catering and accommodation industry (0,3 of a percentage point) and the transport, storage and communication industry and general government services (each contributing 0,2 of a percentage point).

The seasonally adjusted real annualised value added by the primary and secondary sectors recorded decreases of 17,2 percent and 2,7 percent respectively, while the tertiary sector recorded an increase of 1,8 percent during the first quarter of 2014.

The unadjusted real GDP at market prices for the first quarter of 2014 increased by 1,6 percent compared with the first quarter of 2013. The most notable performance was the construction industry that increased by 4,9 percent. Negative contributions were recorded by the mining and quarrying industry (negative growth of 2,5 percent) and the agriculture, forestry and fishing industry (negative growth of 1,6 percent).

The nominal GDP at market prices during the first quarter of 2014 was R874 billion, which is R2 billion less than in the fourth quarter of 2013.

(SRC= statssa)

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Shares / Re: Advtech (ADH) vs. Curro (COH)
« on: May 06, 2014, 10:56:31 am »
Overvalued, but good, stocks tend to move sideways for some time to allow earnings to catch up.

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