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Shares / Re: SAB Miller for AB Inbev ??
« on: January 14, 2016, 06:00:22 pm »
Hi

Have a medium position in SAB miller, should I sell and go into AB inbev tomorrow?

What is likely to happen to SAB after this , i dont understand how it can continue to grow

1. You could buy AB InBev from 15th Jan - your choice.
2. Your SAB shares are simply a currency Xchange rate play now. If you think the Rand will weaken further until the merger is final (probably well into the 2nd half of the year), keep them and get £44 cash, on which you will have to pay CGT. You could then buy AB InBev with the proceeds.
I think there is also a scrip option but you would not be able to sell those shares for 5 years and they will be unlisted. The scrip will be based on a lower price than the cash offer, so why would anyone want to do that.

I would simply hold until merger is final.

392
Off topic / Live chat
« on: January 14, 2016, 10:45:12 am »
I regard GYM stuff as a spectator sport.

393
Shares / Re: Offshore property exposure
« on: January 14, 2016, 10:44:27 am »
So very broadly, If choosing between Sirius and NEPO, you'd be choosing between Germany and Eastern Europe?  For the majority of your exposure?

Yes, NEPI is currently focused on Romania, but also Slovakia and a little in Serbia. 
Sirius is only Germany.

@Fawkes85   Yes, local Reits are taxed as income. (No withholding tax payable).

394
Shares / Re: Offshore property exposure
« on: January 14, 2016, 08:48:12 am »
I like Rockcastle - done well for me so far.
Just something to consider is if the structure of the company is a REIT or not - If it's a REIT then the dividends they pay are treated as income (well local ones anyway - pretty sure international ones would be the same)

No, all those mentioned here are treated by SARS as local dividends despite being foreign, because they have an inward (secondary) listing on the JSE.
So, you only pay the 15% dividends tax.

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Shares / Re: Offshore property exposure
« on: January 14, 2016, 08:36:59 am »
Sirius Property: Sirius leads the pack
NEPI  (Eastern Europe where mall 'culture' is only in the beginning stages)

Both can borrow at very low interest rates ±2% into properties yielding over 8%.

Prefer them to CCO or IAPF




396
Off topic / RBS says sell everything - deflationary crisis nears
« on: January 12, 2016, 01:35:27 pm »
RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

Scary stuff that has a 50/50 (?) chance of coming about.

397
Shares / Re: Coreshares Preftrax
« on: January 10, 2016, 05:15:15 pm »
Before taking a decision to invest in a pref. shares ETF, you should really take the time to read the link provided in my earlier reply.
Also, refer to the last paragraph in the attached image. ...."therefore we believe patient investors should be rewarded with an offer closer to par or at least the original capital rolled into a suitable structure for both banks and investors." I don't believe that will happen. As I said before, way too many bank prefs in that ETF.





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Shares / Re: SAB
« on: January 09, 2016, 04:05:23 pm »

5.2      The JSE has granted AB InBev a secondary listing by way of introduction, in terms of
          the fast-track listing process, of all its issued Ordinary Shares on the Main Board of the
          exchange operated by the JSE in the "Consumer – Food & Beverages – Beverages -
          Brewers" sector, under the abbreviated name "AB InBev", share code "ANB" and
          ISIN BE0003793107 with effect from the commencement of trade on the Listing Date.

14.    SALIENT DATES RELATING TO THE LISTING

       The salient dates relating to the Listing are set out below:

       Release of the Pre-listing Announcement via the Stock          8 January 2016
       Exchange News Service of the JSE ("SENS")
       Publication of the Pre-listing Announcement in the South       12 January 2016
       African press
       Anticipated Listing Date and commencement of trade on          9:00 on 15 January 2016
       the Main Board of the exchange operated by the JSE


       Note: The above times are South African standard time. The above times and dates are
       subject to change. Any such change will be notified via SENS.

15.3       South African resident shareholders that dispose of their Ordinary Shares listed on the
           exchange operated by the JSE will be subject to either income tax (in the case of share
           dealers) or capital gains tax (in the case of capital investors). The merger of AB InBev
           into Newco in line with the terms of the Transaction will constitute a disposal for South
           African resident shareholders in terms of South African tax law, and therefore would
           trigger the payment of the aforementioned taxes by South African resident shareholders
           on completion of the merger, subject to any specific exemptions that may otherwise
           apply to such shareholders.


399
Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: January 08, 2016, 03:47:32 pm »
US Payrolls ..
The 292,000 gain exceeded the highest forecast in a Bloomberg survey and followed a 252,000 increase in November that was stronger than previously estimated, a Labor Department report showed Friday. The median forecast in a Bloomberg survey called for a 200,000 advance. The jobless rate held at 5 percent, and wage growth rose less than forecast from a year earlier.

400
Off topic / Live chat
« on: January 07, 2016, 08:13:36 am »
Going to be a Bad-ass day and year.

401
Shares / Re: Picks for 2016
« on: January 06, 2016, 06:14:52 pm »
Pluto, those are the SPW stock picks already posted HERE

Must say I agree with JaDEB - nothing there strikes me as a must buy, maybe KAP

402
Shares / Re: Coreshares Preftrax
« on: January 06, 2016, 03:34:56 pm »
Too many bank shares. Basel 3 requirements will affect them.

See here .. Preference shares: Letdown or opportunity?

Quote
The SA Reserve Bank has ruled that prefs be phased out as tier one capital at the rate of 10%/year, a process dubbed "grandfathering" that began in January 2013. For most banks prefs will no longer be cost-effective at below 50%-60% of their tier one capital.

Banks have three choices: retain prefs as expensive capital, amend the terms of their prefs or buy them back.

The only action has come from Capitec Bank, which began buying back its prefs in 2014 and has so far bought back about 21%. Standard Bank has indicated it will buy back its prefs. At a market cap of R4,37bn it has the largest single pref issue.

The attraction for banks to buy back their prefs is their big discount to par value.

Greg Saffy of Cast Iron Capital has cried foul. His view is that the banks sold prefs to the market at par value and should give investors that money back.

Saffy is mustering his forces, calling on bank pref holders to back his initiative to lobby banks to buy back prefs at a fair price. In the case of Nedbank prefs he is looking for the backing of holders of at least 26% of the prefs and has set a minimum target buyback price of 925c/share or 92,5% of par.

Ultimately an offer by banks to their pref holders could prove the easiest way to rid themselves of what will be costly capital. To buy back in what is a highly illiquid market would be a lengthy process that could drive prices far higher.


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Shares / Re: Are the PE ratios for dual listed stocks 'overstated' here ?
« on: January 04, 2016, 02:45:48 pm »
What I have been saying..

404
Off topic / Live chat
« on: January 04, 2016, 12:47:16 pm »
I can see that. Double post is definitely playing it safe.  :)

405
Shares / Re: Rights issue taken up and CGT implications
« on: January 04, 2016, 11:05:22 am »
Took a while, but this is what I got from my brokers tax dept. in reply to my query. Hope it helps someone.

Rights Issue:

Based on my understanding the rights issue in South Africa will be treated the
same as in the UK. If the shareholder held the rights take-up on capital account
then the client will pay CGT and not Income Tax on the disposal of the rights
take-up. If the shareholder’s intention was to hold the rights take-up as a
capital asset then the disposal of the asset is subject to CGT. Please note that
section 9C in this regard will not apply should the shares be foreign listed
shares. If the intention of the shareholder was to hold the rights take-up as
trading stock then it will be subject to Income Tax and not CGT.

 

Scrip in lieu of dividends:

In general, shareholders normally get an
option to choose between a scrip dividend or cash dividend. When choosing the
scrip it is important to know if the company made the distribution out of
profits or capital. It is also important to qualify whether it is a foreign
dividend, if it is the case it must first meet the SA foreign dividend
definition as per the Income Tax Act. It’s important to distinguish if the so
called scrip dividend is acquired as such or whether a cash amount is provided
to acquire the dividend in lieu of the cash received.

 
In General:

 
Distributed from profits:

-          The scrip will be subject to dividends tax at 15%

-          The scrip will be received at a base cost

-          The scrip will be subject to CGT if client held scrip as capital
asset (what is the intention of the shareholder?)

-          The scrip will be subject to Income Tax if the scrip is held as
trading stock (what is the intention of the shareholder?)

 

Distributed from capital:

-          The scrip will be received with a null base cost,

-          The shareholder will pay CGT on the proceeds of the disposal if held
as capital asset

-          If scrip was held as trading stock the disposal of the scrip will be
subject to Income Tax

 

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