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Shares / Re: Net Worth
« on: June 28, 2017, 02:51:29 pm »
Well, according to Payscale, the average South African earns the following salaries:

Less than 1 year experience: R135k
1 to 4 years experience: R154k
5 to 9 years experience: R231k
10 to 19 years experience: R293k
more than 20 years experience: R356k

Taking these numbers and assuming a savings rate of 20% and the ability to grow your assets by 10% a year, your projected net worth for the number of years working should be:

Year   Net worth
0   R0
1   R27,000
2   R58,300
3   R94,330
4   R135,563
5   R182,519
6   R238,371
7   R304,008
8   R380,409
9   R468,650
10   R569,915
11   R682,107
12   R806,317
13   R943,749
14   R1,095,724
15   R1,263,696
16   R1,449,266
17   R1,654,193
18   R1,880,412
19   R2,130,053

If your net worth is above the average numbers you are doing well.

Those numbers are unrealistic considering one doesn't start out debt free and need a car etc. At age 40, with 19 years of experience, your gross is R30k and take home just over R24k. That person probably has one or two kids, school fees, a bond/rent, health insurance for the whole family, food, fuel etc. - it'll be hard to take 20%/R6k and save it.

EDIT: assuming that the average person is not money savvy and have no pension fund forced on him over his 20 years of working.

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Off topic / Re: Warren Ingrams Book : How to make your first Million
« on: June 27, 2017, 03:14:34 pm »
Here is a link to something similar he/they posted a few years ago (assuming from the link): http://www.galileocapital.co.za/newsletters/2010/Make%20your%20first%20million%2013%20July%202010.pdf

Basically the advice a financial advisor gives you (well, he is one after all :D )

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Step 1: Get out of debt
You cannot get rich if you have short term debts such as credit cards, clothing accounts and overdrafts. If you really want to become wealthy, you need to pay off these bad types of debt as quickly as possible. Thereafter you can keep your good debts such as home loan and car debt.

Step 2: Build an emergency fund.
You need to build up a cash account that is accessible at short notice. Try to keep 3-6 months worth of your monthly expenses in this account. It is not an investment and should only be used to pay for emergencies such as a car breakdown or insurance claim. The purpose of this account is to avoid the situation where you have to sell investments at the wrong time.

Step 3: Start saving
Younger people can invest all their savings in shares because they have the time to let these investments grow. In your lifetime as an investor, you are going to see many stock market crashes and recoveries, your job is to simply keep saving through all of them. Ignore all the people and pundits who will try to scare you out of saving, just keep your head down and stick to the plan.

Ideally you should save as much as possible in the beginning. Try to ensure that you save a minimum of R5,000 per month. I realise that R5,000 might seem like a large amount in the beginning but you have to decide - do you want to be financially independent or do you want to work for a salary for the rest of your life? As I mentioned at the start of this article, it is simple but not easy to get rich.

Step 4: Where to invest
The ideal place to start saving is in an exchange traded fund (ETF) or indexed investment. ETF’s are low cost investments that will generate fantastic growth over the long term. If you want to start making a million rand every 2 to 4 years, you will first need some capital. As they say, “Money makes money.” By now, I am sure you are wondering how on Earth you are going to make this kind of money so quickly.

How it works
• You need to save R5,000 every month for a period of nine years.
• Try to invest all this money in the stock market e.g. in an ETF.
• After nine years, you will almost certainly have a R1 million worth of investments.
• If you keep investing R5,000 and add it to the first R1 million, you should have another R1 million within 4 years.
• By sticking to the plan, you should have your R3m in total within 16 years.

Whilst 16 years might seem like a long time, you can reduce the period by saving more money as your salary increases over time. Any bonuses or other lump sums that you can add to the investment will speed up the process significantly. There is a real-life example below of someone who has saved R750,000 in less than four years.

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Off topic / Re: Warren Ingrams Book : How to make your first Million
« on: June 27, 2017, 03:07:15 pm »
I've only read his earlier book: Become Your Own Financial Advisor

That one was pretty good and very readable, void of crazy jargon. Didn't know about this one so I'll probably pick it up sometime, depending on who his target audience is. It may just be a book full of what those reading finance blogs etc. consider general knowledge.

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Off topic / Live chat
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:50:51 pm »
Pretty damn sad that an inflation ETF is in the top 6 of the investor challenge. This must be the worst year so far for the challenge.

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Shares / Re: US shares - for those with EE accounts
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:29:11 pm »
Good things are happening

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Shares / Re: US shares - for those with EE accounts
« on: June 27, 2017, 09:30:14 am »
Here you go, link to competition sign up: http://bit.ly/2rWIgbC  - I see Tesla, Facebook and Apple on there :)

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Off topic / Live chat
« on: June 27, 2017, 09:29:04 am »
EasyEquities US share investing!! Think they're testing it with this competition, I see Tesla on there: http://bit.ly/2rWIgbC

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Shares / Re: ?MAYBE? the future of investing? What do you think?
« on: June 26, 2017, 07:16:03 am »
So, I cashed out my BTC and ETH. Made 80% in just over a month without trading :)

I'll buy back in once the madness has stopped :D

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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: June 20, 2017, 09:51:52 am »
Bitcoins are the digital equivalent of gold...

Digitally, we're back in the old Wild West days except you're not the cowboy trying to rob the train of its gold, you're the guy whose gold is being transported.

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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: June 19, 2017, 02:19:04 pm »
my thinking why the there is so much interest now is people are starting to realize there is no truly free market out there. Crypto currencies try and achieve that.

I reckon 99% of people who own them are looking to make a quick buck and will bail the moment its "growth" starts flattening out

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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: June 19, 2017, 11:39:30 am »
They keep using that 2.2 million limit as a reason for it to maintain its value as it will be more "sought after". What happens though when these other cryptocurrencies which are already popular become more "sought after" or gain momentum because they are easier to mine?

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Shares / Re: Preservation Fund Choices?
« on: June 19, 2017, 11:01:47 am »

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Off topic / Re: Live chat
« on: June 17, 2017, 03:21:17 pm »
I'm starting to get nervous about all this crypto-currency stuff. You can't ignore it completely so have to jump in but the way some of these guys are going about it is borderline fanatical.

We're talking guys pulling all or most of their investments from the JSE and dumping it into bitcoins and ether because "the JSE is doing nothing". Then you get articles like the one where Morgan Stanly basically states that the sudden surge in bitcoins value cannot really be explained, that bitcoins need to be regulated and that you should be able to track the transactions for it to become a viable product to invest in. Man did the bitcoin guys freak out (and by "bitcoin guys" I mean the average Joe who became a cryptocurrency expert in the last two months).

Nothing Morgan Stanley said was wrong but they're being called dinosaurs by the guys that will be hurt most if this goes wrong. You can track the transactions but you cannot attribute names to the transactions as far as I am aware. It only takes a few countries that accepted bitcoin as a currency to backtrack on that decision (promotes illegal activities etc) for it to all come tumbling down.

And every day there is another coin out there which brings the exchanges and online wallets to their knees. Outages everywhere.

I silently wish the currency side of blockchain would crash and burn and that sanity can come back to the investment world. It's insane what's going on. BTC just "crashed" internationally but on the local exchanges it is powering on at almost 20% higher than the international price and not even hinting at a crash O.O

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Shares / Re: US shares - for those with EE accounts
« on: June 14, 2017, 01:04:10 pm »
And that is why I like this forum ^

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Shares / Re: US shares - for those with EE accounts
« on: June 09, 2017, 11:37:04 am »
Hi,
Have you guys heard this pod cast on offshore investing...
https://justonelap.com/podcast-offshore-investing-candice-paine/

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By far the scariest part of this conversation has to do with estate duties. As two of our listeners pointed out, should you die when your money is offshore, you will pay estate duties in the country where you are invested. In the USA and the UK, that is 40%. Think about that for a second. Almost half of your investment gets destroyed simply because you died – as if you had a choice!

Bloody hell! 40%?!

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