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« Reply #5775 on: June 15, 2017, 01:37:17 pm »
I think all the mining shareholders are also rather unhappy.

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« Reply #5776 on: June 17, 2017, 03:21:17 pm »
I'm starting to get nervous about all this crypto-currency stuff. You can't ignore it completely so have to jump in but the way some of these guys are going about it is borderline fanatical.

We're talking guys pulling all or most of their investments from the JSE and dumping it into bitcoins and ether because "the JSE is doing nothing". Then you get articles like the one where Morgan Stanly basically states that the sudden surge in bitcoins value cannot really be explained, that bitcoins need to be regulated and that you should be able to track the transactions for it to become a viable product to invest in. Man did the bitcoin guys freak out (and by "bitcoin guys" I mean the average Joe who became a cryptocurrency expert in the last two months).

Nothing Morgan Stanley said was wrong but they're being called dinosaurs by the guys that will be hurt most if this goes wrong. You can track the transactions but you cannot attribute names to the transactions as far as I am aware. It only takes a few countries that accepted bitcoin as a currency to backtrack on that decision (promotes illegal activities etc) for it to all come tumbling down.

And every day there is another coin out there which brings the exchanges and online wallets to their knees. Outages everywhere.

I silently wish the currency side of blockchain would crash and burn and that sanity can come back to the investment world. It's insane what's going on. BTC just "crashed" internationally but on the local exchanges it is powering on at almost 20% higher than the international price and not even hinting at a crash O.O

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« Reply #5777 on: June 17, 2017, 09:28:53 pm »
My kids have set up a whole computer system to mine bit coins internationally and they anticipate making about R 4,000 per month after electricity costs as this seems to be a high component of the cost of mining - net they are looking at R 3,000 per month so would pay off their investment within 14 months. My biggest concern is that there is a faceless group of people who create bit coins into the market and it seems that it is an open ended and has no basis for the creation of these coins. As Hamster says there is no regulations governing the whole crypto coin scenario, however it is a fantastic way of moving funds from country to country without any exchange control interventions, so in essence it promotes money laundering. I have no doubt that in the not too distant future the whole charade will collapse especially when governments see it as a means of money laundering, and as a mechanism of funding terrorist attacks.
This could be bigger than the tech bubble and more significant than the devastation that bubble created, but I don't think it will have a material impact on stock exchange markets as the tech disaster had.
I told my kids to treat this as a life experience, be prepared to writer off any losses and learn to differentiate between a plausible investment rather than a get rich quick scheme       
Not everything that counts, can be counted, and, not everything that can be counted counts - Albert Einstein

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« Reply #5778 on: June 19, 2017, 10:56:56 am »
Actually Bitcoin is not open ended. It will be limited to 2.2 million coins.

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« Reply #5779 on: June 19, 2017, 11:39:30 am »
They keep using that 2.2 million limit as a reason for it to maintain its value as it will be more "sought after". What happens though when these other cryptocurrencies which are already popular become more "sought after" or gain momentum because they are easier to mine?

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« Reply #5780 on: June 19, 2017, 12:12:14 pm »
I for one wait for the Galactic Credit Standard :p

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« Reply #5781 on: June 19, 2017, 12:25:00 pm »
What if bitcoins are like tulips?

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« Reply #5782 on: June 19, 2017, 01:59:12 pm »
Actually Bitcoin is not open ended. It will be limited to 2.2 million coins.

its closer to 21 million.
the thing with crypto currencies is there is no government involvement. Means trading can happen without some government or central authority controlling transactions.
my thinking why the there is so much interest now is people are starting to realize there is no truly free market out there. Crypto currencies try and achieve that.
and what nice about something like ethereum is that they adding new features like smart contracts. no need for a third party to provide expensive services. now it can be done a lot cheaper.

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« Reply #5783 on: June 19, 2017, 02:07:36 pm »
I stand corrected

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« Reply #5784 on: June 19, 2017, 02:12:57 pm »
They keep using that 2.2 million limit as a reason for it to maintain its value as it will be more "sought after". What happens though when these other cryptocurrencies which are already popular become more "sought after" or gain momentum because they are easier to mine?

They are only easier to mine in the beginning. Like Bitcoin they all become harder and harder to mine as time goes on. And yes, more coins will come on the market all the time but not all of them will gain the fame that coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum have achieved. The weaker coins will fall by the wayside leaving us with the stronger ones. Not saying cryptocurrencies are without their shortcomings, but they are Zuma/Trump/politics proof and that is what I like about them. Pretty stupid to put all your money into them though. Like with anything else, you need to diversify.

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« Reply #5785 on: June 19, 2017, 02:19:04 pm »
my thinking why the there is so much interest now is people are starting to realize there is no truly free market out there. Crypto currencies try and achieve that.

I reckon 99% of people who own them are looking to make a quick buck and will bail the moment its "growth" starts flattening out

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« Reply #5786 on: June 19, 2017, 03:31:17 pm »
Last count this morning was 61 dead. This was the only road out the area in central Portugal.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-18/portugal-forest-fires-leave-scores-dead/8628896
I started here with nothing and still have most of it left.

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« Reply #5787 on: June 19, 2017, 05:50:32 pm »
What if bitcoins are like tulips?

Your refer to this crash?


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« Reply #5788 on: June 20, 2017, 07:57:45 am »
Last count this morning was 61 dead. This was the only road out the area in central Portugal.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-18/portugal-forest-fires-leave-scores-dead/8628896
Too many fires lately. Pretty terrifying, I imagine we would have had a lot more dead in Knysna if they weren't able to escape via the beach.

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« Reply #5789 on: June 20, 2017, 09:20:09 am »
Bitcoins are the digital equivalent of gold...