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Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 09:51:18 am
The live chat is just too heavy on the server in it's current form. When I added it to the challenge site it completely shut down the server! I'm going to have to find another way...
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 09:52:02 am
Just replying to myself. I'm not mad, I have a good reason...
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 10:29:11 am
still chatting away
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Aragorn on January 15, 2014, 10:37:06 am
still chatting away
Should we join the conversation?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 10:41:01 am
soon :)
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Post by: Dolby on January 15, 2014, 11:06:05 am
did someone kick me out?
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Post by: Dolby on January 15, 2014, 11:06:22 am
pretty sure i was in mybb
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Post by: Awtron on January 15, 2014, 11:10:00 am
This is pretty cool
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 15, 2014, 11:12:13 am
Patrick - thanks!
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 11:25:09 am
I'm just typing a long message here to see how it wraps. I'm just typing a long message here to see how it wraps. I'm just typing a long message here to see how it wraps. I'm just typing a long message here to see how it wraps. Does it wrap properly??????
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 11:25:54 am
seems it does :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 11:27:12 am
Ok, the new live chat has been coded, seems much lighter this time!
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:28:40 am
Patrick, I have tablets that help me calm down when I talk to myself.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:30:50 am
u are doing a awesome job by the way....like you actually care about your visitors
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 11:31:26 am
The other site does too, they even offer them handbags to buy ;)
Title: Live chat
Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 15, 2014, 11:32:46 am
Works cool!
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:42:58 am
GLN   :TU:
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:43:42 am
OK smileys not working, but that is fine .. not required
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:44:03 am
GLN  :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 11:44:23 am
(.) (.)
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Post by: Dolby on January 15, 2014, 12:25:35 pm
oh - only one group at a time ... ?
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Post by: phakt on January 15, 2014, 12:38:59 pm
Yup, figured out it's one group at a time
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Post by: phakt on January 15, 2014, 12:39:11 pm
So no MyBB and friends group for you!
Title: Live chat
Post by: Warren_Buffet on January 15, 2014, 01:01:57 pm
very nice!
Title: Live chat
Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 15, 2014, 01:12:43 pm
Patrick - any response on that advance :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 15, 2014, 01:46:12 pm
@Patrick:  Handbags? Really? I'm moving over there then.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 02:21:35 pm
U have to trade CFD's to get handbags and other SPAM related items
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: modern10 on January 15, 2014, 02:38:27 pm
Cutlery maybe

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Title: Live chat
Post by: Aragorn on January 15, 2014, 02:39:02 pm
Latest is Cheap Kitchens and Nike I'm afraid
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2014, 03:33:11 pm
@marksaved advances can be had. simply send me a check and I'll deposit it in your trading account ;)
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 15, 2014, 03:42:48 pm
Patrick...can that be a funny money cheque? :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 06:04:00 pm
Frikkit Orca's on pension .... not even here !!!
Title: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 15, 2014, 06:12:19 pm
Just posted.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2014, 06:36:19 pm
Cool, have a nice evening
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Post by: Drummer on January 15, 2014, 06:36:46 pm
Testing !!
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2014, 07:18:59 pm
Where everyone go?
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2014, 07:21:05 pm
only done 40 squats and it is only 7.20 pm.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2014, 08:09:06 am
Morning all...
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 08:45:32 am
hallo :-)
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Post by: aspire on January 16, 2014, 08:45:59 am
I like this
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 16, 2014, 10:02:47 am
morning!
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 16, 2014, 10:03:23 am
Wonder what Telkom is going to do to day with the CFO in the 'hot seat'
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 10:08:57 am
@ m s d: Not much I think, when news broke last year they actually went up next day
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 10:10:02 am
How do you go about deleting here on shout box, via 'off topic' link?
Title: Live chat
Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 16, 2014, 10:10:28 am
Yeah - but wonder what will happen if he is cleared vs found guilty
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2014, 10:31:56 am
yeah you can delete in the off topic thread
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 16, 2014, 02:08:11 pm
Go Telkom! (never thought I would say that!)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2014, 03:18:29 pm
Glencore :-)
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 16, 2014, 03:24:58 pm
Have a look at the shoutbox in Android. Faaar too long.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2014, 03:42:17 pm
Too long on the competition site, or on the forum?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 04:47:37 pm
both sites, same with i-phone & i-pad
Title: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 16, 2014, 04:48:49 pm
Both have 51 conversations.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 04:53:10 pm
so stop talking ;-)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 04:54:40 pm
Resources doing quite well 2day
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Post by: Orca on January 16, 2014, 05:04:13 pm
I'm not. I'm shouting. The prob is that windows has a sliding scroll thing and tablets do not.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2014, 05:08:23 pm
you're right
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 16, 2014, 05:14:40 pm
Like here in this pic.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2014, 06:06:57 pm
can you show me on a tablet. its meant to have it all over so you can see previous messages
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2014, 08:10:03 pm
Limited the number of conversations to show at once to 4. Better?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2014, 07:48:00 am
Morning all...
Title: Live chat
Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 17, 2014, 08:04:37 am
Morning
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Post by: Aragorn on January 17, 2014, 08:25:53 am
A great effort Patrick. Can you increse the number from 4 to say 8? Clicking Chat History opens the the forum topic within this tiny space and is not really navigable.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:38:18 am
How's life? ;-)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:40:37 am
@A and P:  4 works for mobile devices, 8 for rest, how 'bout moving it to the bottom of site and keeping it as it was in the beginning?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 08:41:26 am
Many options, trying 8 now. Is that too long MP&orca?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:42:43 am
Let my change to mobile
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:45:26 am
It looks just fine on both iphone & ipad for me, tx ;-)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:46:16 am
Orca & Aragorn, what say you?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 08:46:33 am
Trying something that's aimed at apples: overflow-scrolling: touch; how does that look?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 08:53:42 am
What the h is overflowing-scrolling touch? Meaning that if you tap 'history' it link to Live chat page? If yes, works nice for apples
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 08:59:47 am
its meant to keep the size down but let you scroll by fingertip instead of scrollbar. does it work or do you see 8 lines instead of 4 or 5?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 09:10:18 am
no, not scrolling with fingertips on either devices, i see all 8
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 09:14:19 am
but it works well as is now, no worries
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 09:16:24 am
Ok, I'm trying one more thing to make it scroll. Apple is trying to beat me but I will not surrender. Any change?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2014, 09:23:47 am
Lol, on pad I see only 1 line, not scrolling - on phone the live chat is gone. Apple wins ;-0
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 09:42:02 am
haha ok I'l put it back on 8 and leave it there for now...
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 09:43:28 am
normal again?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2014, 10:55:55 am
GLN hit the R60 level come on ..... come on...pic of cheerleader -> here
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2014, 11:19:42 am
If you put the pic in the chat thread, people can click on your message to see it...
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2014, 11:22:45 am
No, you can use your Imagination...works better, then Moneypenny's cheer leader is George Clooney
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Post by: ShareMeister on January 17, 2014, 02:49:39 pm
Hi there.  Arcmittal (ACL) 15 min delayed price on Sharenet is 3949 but here its 3924.  Am I maybe missing something?  :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: ShareMeister on January 17, 2014, 02:50:44 pm
Ah nvm its updated now :)
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Post by: ShareMeister on January 17, 2014, 02:50:45 pm
Ah nvm its updated now :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2014, 03:24:10 pm
Totsiens almal - have a nice week end ...
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Post by: Orca on January 17, 2014, 04:28:46 pm
Hey. Get back here. It's not 5pm yet.
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Post by: Aragorn on January 18, 2014, 09:26:26 am
Working on a Sat really SUCKS.........But we gotta do what we gotta do.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2014, 10:11:35 am
Yes we do FFS....
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2014, 10:14:58 am
Patrick do we get overtime for posting on a saterday
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Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2014, 12:18:11 pm
Sure, left it under your profile name ;)
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Post by: Moonraker on January 18, 2014, 01:02:00 pm
I see, but do we get Karma for not posting on Sundays ?
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on January 19, 2014, 02:04:08 pm
forex
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2014, 07:59:39 am
LOL Morning all...good luck 4 today..from Weekend warrior.thks patrick
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Post by: Aragorn on January 20, 2014, 08:33:19 am
Investor Challenge hanging this morning - is it just me or is something else awry?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 20, 2014, 08:43:50 am
Ha,ha, WW! Hi there all. ;-)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2014, 11:06:24 am
I thought GLN would be negative today...see it is positive :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2014, 11:06:53 am
More details please Aragorn...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2014, 11:07:18 am
Woner where is MrMafia?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2014, 11:07:32 am
*wonder
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Post by: MrMafia on January 20, 2014, 11:26:27 am
I'm lurking :)
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Post by: Aragorn on January 20, 2014, 12:43:41 pm
@Patrick - seems sorted now. Took forever to load any pages. Forum was fine though.
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Post by: Orca on January 20, 2014, 05:20:11 pm
Last week I was at position 60 and now can't find my name anywhere there. Please help.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2014, 05:27:39 pm
u number 8, I is number 5 ... bring it on ....
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Post by: Orca on January 20, 2014, 05:41:38 pm
Not sure I can. You Boxburg guys are rough.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2014, 08:08:55 am
Morning all...
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 21, 2014, 08:52:50 am
Hi
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2014, 11:45:35 am
jaDEB. I don't need to go up as you are coming down to me. Hahaha
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2014, 11:59:16 am
lol  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2014, 02:27:58 pm
Ag Mr GLN, U cannot let Orca beat me, please !!
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2014, 02:28:16 pm
There we go. I didn't even move and here is jaDEB.
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Post by: modern10 on January 21, 2014, 04:48:24 pm
Noooo
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2014, 05:07:34 pm
That is unfair Patrick u advertising Orca shares on this website ...
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2014, 06:24:39 pm
CML jadeb? What's up modern?
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2014, 06:24:40 pm
CML jadeb? What's up modern?
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 21, 2014, 06:43:48 pm
No no P. CML is dated. MTA is the new one. And PNC. Where have you been?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2014, 07:56:41 am
Morning all, yes CML add running...just kiddin. Nice to see your adds. FHM adds ? on the way?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 22, 2014, 08:23:28 am
It all depends on what we're talking about, and what websites you've been browsing...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2014, 10:14:17 am
there it is again.. see attached
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Post by: MrMafia on January 22, 2014, 12:47:51 pm
Can I borrow someones shares to short sell gold and platinum? :D
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2014, 01:25:44 pm
u will short gold at such low price?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2014, 01:58:42 pm
uurrg, just came back from "Other site" I feel dirty...
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 22, 2014, 02:58:16 pm
still looking for that advance on Feb's R100 000
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Post by: Orca on January 22, 2014, 03:04:27 pm
Tell us if you find it.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 23, 2014, 08:15:02 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 23, 2014, 08:29:21 am
Hey
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on January 23, 2014, 10:22:08 am
ellies
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Post by: MrMafia on January 23, 2014, 02:14:16 pm
Beginners luck!  I know nothing about investing... :(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 23, 2014, 02:53:28 pm
That is how u learn ....
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 23, 2014, 03:35:16 pm
go it group!!!
Title: Live chat
Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 23, 2014, 03:35:50 pm
orca...you wana halfies an advance?
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 23, 2014, 03:36:39 pm
Patrick, can you add time stamps for our comments here?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2014, 08:12:37 am
Morning all
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2014, 08:28:39 am
Morning. Dates and times added, but do we need the dates or should I just leave the times?
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2014, 08:32:31 am
Ok just have the day listed, I think I'll stick with that.
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 24, 2014, 10:51:20 am
looks awesome! thanks Patric
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 24, 2014, 10:51:22 am
looks awesome! thanks Patric
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Post by: Orca on January 24, 2014, 11:03:55 am
ZAR getting slaughtered today. My poor PNC.
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Post by: Motown Capital on January 24, 2014, 12:16:22 pm
Hi guys, how do I go about requesting for shares to be added to the list of existing shares in the "Buy Shares" tab? Cheers
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Post by: Aragorn on January 24, 2014, 12:49:03 pm
NPN killing me in the challenge - was above 20th place yesterday, now below 100th
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Post by: Fundamental on January 24, 2014, 12:53:30 pm
Can the leaderboard be changed to reflect total worth?
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2014, 01:06:53 pm
@fundamental, nope you have to pay tax!
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2014, 01:19:58 pm
@motown, make your case here: http://www.shareforum.co.za/the-investor-challenge/how-to-identify-frequently-traded-shares/
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Post by: Orca on January 24, 2014, 01:33:22 pm
NPN gone too high above the 200ma. Back to 1000?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2014, 02:45:09 pm
R/$ R11.10 Gold 1268 - do we have gold shares ... No !!  :'(
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Post by: Motown Capital on January 24, 2014, 05:25:36 pm
Cheers Patrick
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 24, 2014, 06:29:34 pm
In SHF CFD real money, good luck 2 me. ;-0
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 24, 2014, 06:31:24 pm
O ja @ 4569
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Post by: Orca on January 24, 2014, 08:49:07 pm
How bout another blog P.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 08:12:53 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 27, 2014, 08:36:54 am
Hi
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Post by: Patrick on January 27, 2014, 09:27:32 am
Greetings from a very wet Lusaka.
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 27, 2014, 09:36:53 am
Why didn't anyone tell me to sell Telkom?? LOL
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 10:24:38 am
With $ @ R11.19 something is going to hit the fan...ffs
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 11:30:23 am
LOL Now gold is suddenly a safe haven again... frikkin finanacial chops..
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 11:30:49 am
* Financial
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 11:35:24 am
How is Zambia? Patrick?
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Post by: Motown Capital on January 27, 2014, 11:39:03 am
what u up to in Zambia Patrick?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 27, 2014, 12:58:03 pm
R/$ 11.13 Defensive rate hike next?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 01:23:42 pm
Please no !!!
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Post by: Moonraker on January 27, 2014, 01:24:21 pm
Should happen, but won't. Eh, and why always in increments of ½% ?
(What's wrong with ¼% - no rule states must be half).
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 01:27:34 pm
Let them do it before elections ....  :'( ... E-tol and all...
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 27, 2014, 02:44:11 pm
What do you guys think about Telkom going forward?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
7 May 2013 it was at R12. It was a good buy then. another boat we missed as we did with ACL
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 03:06:25 pm
I think shares we should put in forum for history purpose.
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Post by: Motown Capital on January 27, 2014, 03:27:20 pm
I wouldn't buy Telkom now, at its 52-week high, rather fish for something at its 52 week low, like SHP or TRU, wait for it to turn
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 04:10:41 pm
I agree with Marvin Gaye
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Post by: Orca on January 27, 2014, 04:44:55 pm
jaDEB talking to dead people?
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Post by: Orca on January 27, 2014, 05:09:15 pm
Oh. Hi jaDEB. You right above me again. Now don't fart on my head.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2014, 05:18:15 pm
I is scared if Orca is behind me, thus I would prefer you in front.
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Post by: Orca on January 27, 2014, 05:24:09 pm
Oh shoot. Slipped back at auction.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2014, 08:20:15 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 28, 2014, 08:28:20 am
Hallo
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Post by: Patrick on January 28, 2014, 01:45:01 pm
Checked the leaderboard for the first time in a while. Looks like Fundamental is the top ranked "Trader"
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Post by: Nimz on January 28, 2014, 02:08:48 pm
hey guys
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Post by: Nimz on January 28, 2014, 02:08:49 pm
hey guys
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Post by: Patrick on January 28, 2014, 03:01:37 pm
Nimz, when are you entering the challenge?
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Post by: Fundamental on January 28, 2014, 05:27:23 pm
@Patrick, thanks was trading a bit at the start to try out the selling feature you implemented for this years challenge - holding onto my stock for now
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on January 29, 2014, 07:20:56 am
critique
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 29, 2014, 08:55:35 am
jaDeb, where art thou? Nobody saying hallo.☺
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Post by: Aragorn on January 29, 2014, 08:57:18 am
Morning Miss Moneypenny....
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 29, 2014, 09:43:15 am
Hallo Middle Earth :D
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2014, 09:57:41 am
Morning all ...
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 29, 2014, 10:13:14 am
Other emerging markets taking action with rate hikes (Turkey & India), wonder if we will follow suit @ 15:00?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2014, 10:37:15 am
OK, GLN u go to R65, OCE u drop to R82, then I will swop.
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Post by: Fundamental on January 29, 2014, 01:29:17 pm
NPN rallying for the past two days
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Post by: Moonraker on January 29, 2014, 01:48:53 pm
After the enormous Turkey hike, I revise my opinion and now forecast a ½% increase in repo.
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Post by: Fundamental on January 29, 2014, 03:21:01 pm
Repo rate to be increased by 0.5% (50 basis points)
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2014, 03:26:08 pm
Moonraker wins.
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2014, 03:31:38 pm
NPN made a mistake and has to go down to yesterday's high at 109500.
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2014, 03:34:22 pm
God said that good, honest wives will be found on all corners of the world. Then he made the earth round and laughed and laughed.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 29, 2014, 03:59:20 pm
Jislaai oom, jou auntie gaan jou uithaal.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 29, 2014, 04:00:13 pm
Dual listed co's not doing bad considering the .5% - exp SHF
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2014, 05:30:32 pm
17.30 and the prices haven't updated.
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2014, 05:31:59 pm
Oh. Just did now.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2014, 05:47:16 pm
Rant @ R11.21  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2014, 05:48:08 pm
My damn games is going to cost more, being imported and all  ;'(  :'(  :'(
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Post by: aae on January 29, 2014, 08:38:46 pm
what games you play, I do the pc game route and they are buy for self only.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 30, 2014, 07:59:53 am
Battlefield4, dota,guildswar2 & Comp of heroes 2, all online
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Post by: jaDEB on January 30, 2014, 08:00:35 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 30, 2014, 09:01:09 am
Hey
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Post by: jaDEB on January 30, 2014, 10:19:55 am
OCE down 6% wtf (frikkie)
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Post by: Hstig on January 30, 2014, 12:11:42 pm
why is the site not updating share values?
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Post by: Warren_Buffet on January 30, 2014, 12:53:55 pm
doesn't look like anything has been updated today as yet
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2014, 03:04:21 pm
JSE feed is dead. just switched to the backup
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Post by: Hstig on January 30, 2014, 03:14:00 pm
Cool, but I am sure that Naspers isn't valued at 0 LOL
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Post by: Hstig on January 30, 2014, 03:51:13 pm
looks fixed up now
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2014, 04:27:32 pm
Yep, horrible piece of code to sort that out...
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2014, 04:33:35 pm
damn still some issues!
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2014, 04:44:06 pm
Hope that covers it. Now to find out why I can't get the prices from the JSE.
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2014, 04:47:34 pm
Looks like there's a break between my server in the states and SA somewhere...
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 31, 2014, 07:59:19 am
Hey all, has the issue been resolved?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 31, 2014, 08:16:36 am
Morning all
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Post by: Patrick on January 31, 2014, 09:22:35 am
Morning jaDEB. @mark, updates are working via the backup link. Main link still down, I'll leave it till monday and see if it comes back up...
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Post by: garethtwilliams on January 31, 2014, 09:40:12 am
bfs
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 31, 2014, 09:51:10 am
OK cool - was just wondering if my Telkom was really still as bad :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 31, 2014, 01:50:50 pm
SGL @ R16.08 Whaahahaha :( :(
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on January 31, 2014, 03:02:06 pm
Telkom!!! I should have known better!
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Post by: jaDEB on January 31, 2014, 03:46:17 pm
LOL, that is why I use 3G for my gaming. More expensive, but I get my addiction without interuptions (spell chikker on)
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Post by: giggsie on January 31, 2014, 04:06:15 pm
@ Mark... now you know how i feel!
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2014, 10:31:49 am
Leaderboard is a little confused, but not to worry all pending prices will be corrected on Monday
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 03, 2014, 07:23:39 am
Dear Admin, I can not find the 'buy short button' on the competition, please advise. ;0
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Post by: Patrick on February 03, 2014, 07:38:18 am
Hahaha!
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2014, 08:18:18 am
Mornin all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 03, 2014, 09:16:38 am
What was the outcome re delayed price buying in the IC? Do we get the price as indicated on the buying list or edited price whenever it updates? Apologies, didn't follow the discussion.
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Post by: Patrick on February 03, 2014, 09:26:08 am
You get the price after the update. It'll do the trade at current pricing, but update it after 15 or so minutes.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 03, 2014, 09:29:47 am
Geez, that's risky for day trading, using 2 min charts here you know? lol, But nothing ventured... , tx :-)
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Post by: Patrick on February 03, 2014, 09:41:22 am
Check out all the red: http://www.investorchallenge.co.za/com_share_stats.php
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2014, 03:37:18 pm
uhh Patrick ?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2014, 03:55:43 pm
Why did you not remind me abour 100K for comp...
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Post by: Patrick on February 03, 2014, 05:03:22 pm
Didn't you get an email? Anyone else not get it?
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 03, 2014, 05:35:13 pm
I did.  Maybe a blessing in disguise jaDeb, mine is < 100K now.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2014, 05:39:48 pm
Nope, no mail, but not to worry. I should remember, as I do to take my tablets.
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Post by: Orca on February 03, 2014, 05:40:09 pm
Should have waited for the correction to play out :(
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2014, 07:38:42 am
Just a quick question for the players, did everyone else get the mail about the deposit?
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Post by: Nios on February 04, 2014, 07:52:32 am
yes
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 07:53:12 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 04, 2014, 07:55:47 am
Morning Angels ;)
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Post by: Aragorn on February 04, 2014, 08:03:24 am
Morning - and yep I got the mail yesterday @ 9.59 am
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2014, 08:40:50 am
Thanks Aragorn and Nios. jaDEB check your spam folder ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 08:57:31 am
I have , Keep your girlfriend delighted...is that it?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 08:59:32 am
Nope, but let's not worry about that. Today is going to be a crap, mail or no mail.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 09:21:54 am
lol to scared to press "refresh" on shares page..
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 04, 2014, 09:46:37 am
tbh, I expected worse, Europe joins in 14 min
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2014, 09:50:52 am
Seems I added the right pic to the blog...
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Post by: Aragorn on February 04, 2014, 10:37:13 am
Waiting for NPN to drop below R1100 before bying more for the comp.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 04, 2014, 11:07:59 am
Agree on NPN
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 04, 2014, 11:08:15 am
blog, which blog? 

Edit: Got it - P plz start a new topic for your blog on forum, this way I won't miss all your words of wisdom and encouragement again. ;D
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2014, 02:25:36 pm
I haven't written in ages, just posted the deposit notification in the blog. I'll write again as soon as I feel like a wise old man.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 04:02:48 pm
Maybe also include google maps, so we can find nearest bridge.
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Post by: MulaShare on February 04, 2014, 04:10:26 pm
vodacom
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Post by: Orca on February 04, 2014, 05:37:35 pm
What went up today will go down tomorrow and vica versa
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2014, 05:40:43 pm
Yes, agree with you, some will recover faster than others
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2014, 07:49:39 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 05, 2014, 08:22:49 am
Hey All. @ griff: what was your first clue? ;0
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Post by: Aragorn on February 05, 2014, 08:39:35 am
What to buy for the comp - NPN, SAB, BTI?
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Post by: Fundamental on February 05, 2014, 09:08:38 am
I went for SAB - undervalued at the moment
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Post by: Moonraker on February 05, 2014, 09:35:40 am
@Fundamental - see my 'dead in the water' post.
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Post by: Aragorn on February 05, 2014, 12:26:11 pm
Chose NPN (again)
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Post by: Orca on February 05, 2014, 01:07:16 pm
SAB "dead" because I cut down on beer consumption.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 05, 2014, 01:10:13 pm
But I didn't. Had Grolsch. Premium brand margins are higher.
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Post by: MrMafia on February 05, 2014, 02:29:36 pm
Strange @ SAB.  We supported them quite well over the weekend.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2014, 03:31:22 pm
My wife bought jewelry with my credit card, hence gold @ 1272
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Post by: Orca on February 05, 2014, 05:09:00 pm
Looks like Patrick's POY has paid off and will carry on shooting the lights out.
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Post by: aae on February 05, 2014, 06:52:19 pm
what does he know that we don,t
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Post by: Orca on February 05, 2014, 07:23:32 pm
He took advantage of the momentum. High PE but it is good to go much, much higher.
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Post by: Patrick on February 05, 2014, 10:08:47 pm
POY was one of the top shares over the last few years, like Orca says, I went with the momentum...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2014, 08:02:23 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2014, 12:24:12 pm
Hi
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2014, 12:31:26 pm
Re POY:  Nicely done, If it was me, I would lock in the profit. :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 06, 2014, 01:01:00 pm
@Moneypenny Thanks, may be unethical to sell POY as it's no longer listed in the allowed shares...
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Post by: Moonraker on February 06, 2014, 05:46:54 pm
Finally bit of backbone for SAB after flaccid for a long time. Draghi's dovish comments helped sentiment.
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Post by: Orca on February 06, 2014, 06:11:24 pm
Not quite. SAB made a bounce off support and after closing the gap.
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Post by: Orca on February 06, 2014, 06:17:53 pm
Check the chart I posted in your SAB - dead thread.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 06, 2014, 06:39:09 pm
Thanks Orca !
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Post by: aae on February 06, 2014, 08:41:03 pm
different investment strategies, investing with with momentum or investing with fundamentals
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Post by: aae on February 06, 2014, 09:04:30 pm
Patrick , do you use some share programme that advises you
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Post by: jaDEB on February 07, 2014, 08:29:46 am
Morning all
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Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2014, 08:50:33 am
Morning @aae, no just google. But considering I used the same metohod for all m purchases and only one came right, I don't recommend it!
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Post by: Orca on February 07, 2014, 06:09:31 pm
Geeze Patrick. You got a rise there. jaDEB needs viagra.
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Post by: Orca on February 08, 2014, 07:57:25 pm
Sies Orca. Pepper in your mouth.
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Post by: Snakepit on February 09, 2014, 08:07:51 pm
Talking about rising. I now throw Viagra in my petrol tank so my needle can stay at the top! Sorry it just jumped into my head as I was reading your comments.
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Post by: Orca on February 09, 2014, 09:12:04 pm
Must think of a method to inject viagra into my stocks.
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Post by: Patrick on February 10, 2014, 07:32:50 am
Morning from Kenya this time :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2014, 07:58:59 am
Morning all - from Boksburg, not as well travelled as Patrick.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 10, 2014, 08:45:14 am
Hi there :)
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on February 10, 2014, 09:54:53 am
CPI buy a good idea? Interm results in a month or so!
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Post by: Aragorn on February 10, 2014, 12:13:28 pm
Like your new signature Ms Moneypenny...
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 10, 2014, 01:43:01 pm
Lol, Oh well, sometimes you just have to take off the tiara and get down and dirty.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2014, 04:15:45 pm
Orca, u CML doing well ! R82 ...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2014, 05:50:08 pm
:)
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Post by: Orca on February 10, 2014, 05:52:35 pm
Ja nee. She closed at that price.
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Post by: Orca on February 10, 2014, 05:54:33 pm
Why is jaDEB smiling? Must look at the IC.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2014, 08:06:26 am
Mornin all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 11, 2014, 08:39:45 am
;)
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Post by: Moonraker on February 11, 2014, 10:40:23 am
JaDEB, pay a visit to your OCE thread :)
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on February 11, 2014, 11:18:29 am
Hi all. RBX share price is not updating Patrick?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2014, 11:37:05 am
@ Mr Bond, yip saw it ... lol
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2014, 12:15:26 pm
Who is the bliksem in 2nd place ?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2014, 12:29:36 pm
DAmn, GLN had such a nice start . .    :(
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2014, 12:41:12 pm
@mark looks OK to me. I see the same price as the jse
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on February 11, 2014, 12:46:42 pm
Thing is it took about an hour to update though?
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Post by: mark.saved.duplessis on February 11, 2014, 01:16:42 pm
Patrck - HSP is delayed by 2 hours now. The price on the JSE updated to R37.03 2 hours ago and has not updated here?
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2014, 03:15:08 pm
I'm pulling the whole feed as one pull. if all the shares are late is likely on my side. if it's just a few it must be bad data from the use. Hand are tired I'm afraid...
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 11, 2014, 03:49:10 pm
I have a portfolio last and fourth, some bad buying
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 11, 2014, 04:59:37 pm
the portfolio that is now second ended 396 last year
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2014, 05:30:18 pm
Yes tgg. Someones beating you now.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2014, 06:32:22 pm
Orca, CML @ R84 is that new High? sry if it is a silly question, do not feel like looking at another graph today
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Post by: Moonraker on February 11, 2014, 06:57:58 pm
I think it was R84.20 on 6/11/13
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2014, 08:37:51 pm
At a new Closing high. There was a peak to 8599.
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2014, 08:42:02 pm
That was in Nov last year.
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Post by: aae on February 11, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
what up with gold in the usa, sgl , har and gfi have gone up slightly
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Post by: aae on February 11, 2014, 09:43:55 pm
@griffin, some shares are good to buy others to keep. If the share is up and you are content with it, keep it in your portfolio, does not mean you can buy it again a year later and expect growth, but you will get an income from it
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2014, 08:02:25 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 12, 2014, 08:45:52 am
Hi
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 12, 2014, 09:43:30 am
@griffin, for me bti was good to buy and keep, sgl was good to buy , but I don,t think keep for much longer
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Post by: Orca on February 12, 2014, 10:00:21 am
65% of my portfolio is in CML and that is a bit too high.
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Post by: Orca on February 12, 2014, 01:32:47 pm
New high for CML. Up over 3 % today again. Now 4.5% up and still going strong.
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Post by: Patrick on February 12, 2014, 03:44:15 pm
@orca about time. something came over me in December and I shipped my usual just but the index advice and topped up on CML
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Post by: Orca on February 12, 2014, 05:48:21 pm
I sold some at R82 in Nov and bought more MTA. Will do the same in new tax year. CML is overweight in my port.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2014, 06:39:15 am
Morning All
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2014, 09:23:34 am
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Orca on February 13, 2014, 09:47:06 am
What does the fear/greed clock say? Can't find it anymore.
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Post by: Aragorn on February 13, 2014, 09:50:32 am
F&G  = 33 (Fear)
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 13, 2014, 11:48:48 am
:-&
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2014, 05:36:05 pm
Gold playing with the 1300 level ... nice .. nearly sold HAR today.
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Post by: Orca on February 13, 2014, 07:11:20 pm
ja nee DEB. Gold stocks have reached their 2 year downtrend line and should head down again.
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Post by: Orca on February 13, 2014, 07:32:51 pm
Posted the stolen chart under Harmony.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2014, 06:47:36 am
Morning All
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Post by: Patrick on February 14, 2014, 08:42:07 am
Great quote qriffin!
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 14, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Hallo
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Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2014, 01:53:27 pm
@ griffin Just came out of meeting - D'oh, Gold @ 1316 .. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2014, 02:08:08 pm
lol you the man....
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Post by: Aragorn on February 14, 2014, 02:35:35 pm
@qriffin/jaDEB - Nice!!!!
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 14, 2014, 05:11:43 pm
what does that mean?,I don,t follow prices by technicals
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Post by: Orca on February 14, 2014, 05:19:39 pm
A stock or index that falls below it's 200DMA is a sell. Gold has risen above it.
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Post by: aae on February 14, 2014, 09:30:05 pm
so I must sell
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Post by: Black Gold on February 15, 2014, 03:01:43 am
gold
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Post by: Orca on February 15, 2014, 08:13:33 pm
I would sell now aae. Then stay out of gold forever. Go for equities for long term gains as gold has not recovered since the crash.
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Post by: MrMafia on February 17, 2014, 07:46:11 am
Morning all
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Post by: MrMafia on February 17, 2014, 07:47:01 am
Anyone know of a way to pull historical data of any stock into a csv, text or similar?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 08:01:49 am
Morning
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 09:19:32 am
Why is everybody afk? buying gold? if SGL hits R20 I am going to cry
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2014, 09:22:33 am
Morning all, so this morning I'm in the highest country in the world. Where am I?
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Post by: Aragorn on February 17, 2014, 09:27:09 am
Highest Country or country with highest Point? (Nepal?)
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2014, 09:31:07 am
@Aragorn, I wish!
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Post by: Aragorn on February 17, 2014, 09:31:11 am
New Zealand ranks as the highest country, and has been awarded the Cannabis Cup (according to the High Times)!
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Post by: Aragorn on February 17, 2014, 09:32:41 am
Lesotho holds the record for the world's highest minimum elevation.
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Post by: Orca on February 17, 2014, 09:33:02 am
Mexico. Everyone's on drugs there.
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2014, 09:47:59 am
yep, it's Lesotho. the only country in the world entirely above the 1000m mark.
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Post by: MrMafia on February 17, 2014, 09:59:37 am
Im on double figures growth again :D
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 10:39:50 am
IS Moneypenny sleeping late these day's. No Morning report . :(
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 10:41:03 am
I will be outside trowing up, SGL just went thru R20. I sold at R12  : (
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 10:51:38 am
Yes, still if I had b@lls. I would have doubled my port...
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2014, 10:57:54 am
Give that man a b@lls :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 11:06:59 am
Balls, nuts, thingy's hanging below a prick...
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 17, 2014, 12:29:58 pm
@jaDeb: My dear the shrewd never sleeps, just doing things, going places. ;)  
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 12:34:13 pm
I decided that my victims screams is less annoying than the voices in my head
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 17, 2014, 12:49:00 pm
Oh my, maybe I shouldn’t speak to you anymore.  GTG
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 12:50:07 pm
Not to worry... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 01:31:57 pm
Next big thing I assume is gold hit 1330?
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Post by: Aragorn on February 17, 2014, 01:36:52 pm
I decided that my victims screams is less annoying than the voices in my head
Did you forget your tablets jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 01:42:09 pm
@ Aragorn, got quoted yesterday playing Guildwars 2 online. lmao .. made my day
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 17, 2014, 03:14:33 pm
and sgl brings out a nice sens
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 03:25:39 pm
yip, economically extractable gold Mineral Reserves have
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2014, 03:26:11 pm
increased by 46% to 19.73Moz
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 17, 2014, 05:16:16 pm
@tgg: put it on the SGL thread sir/mam :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 17, 2014, 05:18:29 pm
@ griff: I think Soros is spot on.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2014, 08:08:13 am
Morning all ...
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 18, 2014, 08:20:26 am
Hi
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2014, 09:02:22 am
look at Bil results ... nice...
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Post by: Moonraker on February 18, 2014, 10:44:28 am
Resources: It all really depends on Chinese demand. Credit in China is being reined in. Will be interesting.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2014, 03:05:30 pm
@ Mr Bond  - China aims for around 9.5% annual growth in industrial output in 2014, the industry ministry said on Tuesday, supporting the view that Beijing may stick with its target for economic growth of 7.5% this year
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2014, 06:03:39 pm
Hope not, will see what happens in US. Then check Asia with cup of coffee in morning
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Post by: Orca on February 18, 2014, 06:22:32 pm
OCE fishing in the Titanic Ocean.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2014, 06:42:05 pm
OCE is recovering slowly. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 08:02:37 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 19, 2014, 09:03:55 am
Hallo
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 10:15:22 am
 : )
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 10:48:16 am
Yes, also have been looking at ABL, they are in with Eli In January 2008, ABIL acquired Ellerine Holdings Limited
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Post by: Aragorn on February 19, 2014, 10:54:46 am
@ jaDED. Don't get confused between Ellies and Ellerines - 2 different companies
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Post by: Aragorn on February 19, 2014, 11:20:56 am
Maybe he forgot his tabs again?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 11:28:27 am
Appolgies, bit under pressure @ work. Do not have time to do proper thinking. sorry
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Post by: Aragorn on February 19, 2014, 11:30:58 am
All is forgiven jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 11:31:35 am
Got it, Welcome to Ellies, they are next to the pharmacy where I order my tablets...pfftt
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 12:10:01 pm
Ellies - tv aerials & stuff
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 12:11:19 pm
Ellerines - tables, loans & stuff
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 12:57:24 pm
lol, thanks. Lets see who is in my industry - Pressure is Kg/cm2 569.6
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Post by: Aragorn on February 19, 2014, 01:16:43 pm
Laser tooling?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 01:31:35 pm
Pressure inside vessel
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 19, 2014, 01:43:04 pm
I know, you’re an astronaut or a submarine pilot.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 01:45:15 pm
lol, no. But my tablets do put me on highs, then on lows...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 01:45:52 pm
It is cool, just wondering... not to worry
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Post by: Aragorn on February 19, 2014, 01:54:32 pm
Air Conditioning?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 01:57:49 pm
No - it is the pressure inside a vessel - Heat exchangers for Brazil - petrochemical plant - like Sasol.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 19, 2014, 04:27:51 pm
Edit:   Human (me) error, no worries.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 04:59:42 pm
?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2014, 06:38:35 pm
HAR was @ R95 in March 2012 - Gold was at $1640
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 08:01:14 am
I wish, but no
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 08:07:37 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 20, 2014, 08:13:46 am
Hallo :)    @ griff: 'bout time
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 20, 2014, 08:27:47 am
Patience griff, I'm waiting for a few red days to buy in but yes, more shorts than longs open at this stage. Red days welcome here. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 09:32:07 am
Imara website - ADCOCK  - The hangman cometh
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 20, 2014, 09:47:49 am
You're talking about Joffe?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 09:55:48 am
Yes, Bidvest
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 10:26:59 am
SGL Operating profit came in at around 4 billion rand from 3.37 billion rand, an increase of 19 percent
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 01:09:32 pm
@griffin: Huh ? BVT is 4½ times the size of CFR and is primarily a services company with food services playing the biggest role. More likely maybe a distribution agreement with CFR for the Adcock product line.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 01:29:21 pm
@griffin: check their website, they are in anything from freight, to automotive, to household appliances, to cleaning services etc. Food services being the biggest contributor to the bottom line. The divisions are autonomous. Why not Adcock ?
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:50 pm
Joffe is well known for sniffing out underperforming entities and turning them around.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 01:48:04 pm
@griffin: It would be presumptious for me to say that I understand why he did it, especially with the gov. clamping down re. pricing etc. We will just have to rely on his past business acumen. BVT will report ± 17% HEPS incr. shortly.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2014, 02:04:30 pm
As long as my Anti depressants does not go up in price.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 04:22:30 pm
@griffin: So what, SHP,s net profit margin has been mid 3's for many years. Rather look at HEPS, Rand Hedge qualities and steady growth every year :-)
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 04:53:04 pm
@griffin: I own both those. BTW. BVT returned 25,43% p.a. over 5 yrs.  
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Post by: Moonraker on February 20, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
@griffin: No, that figure is per annum (incl. divs) - so way above inflation. Look it's a defensive stock, so one should not expect NPN or ADI returns and the accompaning adrenaline rush and risk. See #56 Here (http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=445017&sn=Detail&pid=71616)
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Post by: Orca on February 20, 2014, 06:05:10 pm
CML growth over 5 years is 1860% divies not re invested.
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Post by: Orca on February 20, 2014, 06:10:41 pm
If your portfolio does not perform 25% pa ave then give up and buy the Indi ETF.
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Post by: aae on February 20, 2014, 07:09:51 pm
I doubt that cml or Indi etf will get close to that this year or maybe even the next 3years
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Post by: Orca on February 20, 2014, 07:39:23 pm
Agree but will your stock picks fare any better?
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Post by: aae on February 20, 2014, 08:27:51 pm
whats your cutoff time
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Post by: aae on February 20, 2014, 08:32:00 pm
my personal portfolio is up 35 % ytd and I only made about 25% last year. but my stocks are not comfort zone stuff and change with circumstances
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2014, 08:34:08 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moonraker on February 21, 2014, 01:26:23 pm
ADI -- wanted to buy yesterday, missed the boat, now up 4%+
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2014, 03:25:31 pm
Gold     :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2014, 03:48:50 pm
Yip, glad I did
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2014, 03:49:15 pm
GLN not doing to bad either
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2014, 03:52:34 pm
Nice....good luck.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 21, 2014, 07:49:01 pm
ffs, who stole our electricity?
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Post by: Orca on February 21, 2014, 07:53:14 pm
Miners suck big time. Leave them to jaDEB to loose his money.
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Post by: Orca on February 21, 2014, 07:56:03 pm
Moneypenny. Copper investors stole it.
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Post by: aae on February 21, 2014, 10:47:47 pm
they will have to if they want to make fees this year and pay div this year
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Post by: aae on February 21, 2014, 11:12:18 pm
Miners suck big time. Leave them to jaDEB to loose his money.

I also think that miners are not real investments and only short term opportunities, but I have made my bit on the jse  and can,t identify a suitable stock to rather diversify in, even cml or bti seem a bit expensive.

If I wanted to invest in one of then satrix type things I would not be here.

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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2014, 07:54:34 am
Morning all .... all is fine .... I am not doing to bad with HAR/GNL...ask Griffin  :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 24, 2014, 08:30:15 am
Hey
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2014, 01:20:05 pm
Gold @ $ 1134    : )
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2014, 01:20:33 pm
ffs .... $1334 ... drink u tablets knob
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2014, 08:02:22 pm
Agree Orca, site is very un busy. Maybe cause the Lions played so well
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Post by: Orca on February 24, 2014, 08:34:02 pm
What is the code name for Massmart and JD Group?
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Post by: Orca on February 24, 2014, 08:45:41 pm
Got them. MSM and JDG. Both are in a down momentum.
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Post by: Orca on February 24, 2014, 08:56:00 pm
Very "un busy". Agree.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 25, 2014, 08:15:08 am
Jip, I have a definite feeling of involuntary detachment atm, annoyed by markets creeping up slowly each day, not doing much whilst anticipating a rapid, intense slide. Being in limbo, not my thing.  So what’s your excuse? :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2014, 08:17:55 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 25, 2014, 09:04:15 am
Which message? Are we on the same forum griff? lol
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2014, 10:10:35 am
@ Griffin - I set my SL on HAR at R35
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2014, 01:46:10 pm
If HAR closes at or below 3600 then expect a few red days.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2014, 02:36:40 pm
Cool , hope so    :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2014, 05:24:36 pm
Damn I must chill and stop posting so much...
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Post by: Patrick on February 25, 2014, 05:29:42 pm
Ah I'm in the negative again :(
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2014, 05:54:01 pm
From Yahoo finance Check out Mt. Gox, the site of what was the largest bitcoin exchange at one point, and you'll find a blank page. The site is now unavailable and the exchange appears to be on the verge of collapse.
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2014, 07:16:59 pm
Actually, I didn't know that HAR was duel listed as I have no interest in gold miners and commodities. Don't like loosing my hard earned money.
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Post by: aae on February 25, 2014, 08:07:47 pm
neither do I so I sold all my sgl at 110% profit today. The price just got to much for comfort
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Post by: Patrick on February 25, 2014, 08:19:34 pm
nice profit there aae, how long were you holding?
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2014, 08:21:10 pm
Oh dear. Now you have to add the gains to your other income for tax. Should have waited for tax year end.
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2014, 08:24:27 pm
ECHO...echo. How long were you holding? Longer than 3 years? If not, deduct 40% for tax.
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Post by: aae on February 26, 2014, 06:55:47 am
My Tax circumstances dictate otherwise. One of the reasons I sold before year end
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 08:04:04 am
Morning all .. @ aae ... well done
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 26, 2014, 08:31:02 am
Hi
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 10:26:48 am
Yes
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 10:27:08 am
Got my trigger on my finger
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 10:33:02 am
The rand / Gold price is bothering me - not HAR - Rand @ R10.75
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 26, 2014, 10:37:38 am
Bulls fighting back for dear life on T40 atm, support 42 480 breached twice past hour.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 10:45:06 am
100%
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 10:45:41 am
I only have 1 share per portfolio
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 11:24:19 am
Nope, I follow bread's 1 share portfolio. thus only 1 share
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 12:01:46 pm
He is from the rich side of the family, I am from the good lookin side of the family
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2014, 01:17:58 pm
Spoke to my broker..we agreed to drop SL to R34  
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 08:57:29 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 27, 2014, 09:03:35 am
Hallo
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Post by: Patrick on February 27, 2014, 09:25:24 am
Morning all. So my absa stockbrokers account has locked me out four times in the last 2 weeks. I'm even writing down my password now, but it keeps happening...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 09:29:16 am
What is your password? I can test it for you...lol
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 09:30:16 am
Sold HAR @ 34.21
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 27, 2014, 09:35:22 am
@Patrick: Apple had serious security breach on mobiles this week, maybe related?
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Post by: Orca on February 27, 2014, 10:54:11 am
Was that a trade jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 10:55:52 am
Yes, sold HAR
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 11:59:35 am
Thks u 2, may HAR still go to R40 and u make lotsa moola
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Post by: Campsbay Trader on February 27, 2014, 12:00:20 pm
snakepit
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Post by: Patrick on February 27, 2014, 12:34:13 pm
@jaDEB Still holding HAR in the game though?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 12:48:44 pm
Yes...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 01:21:47 pm
%$#$%##
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 01:56:37 pm
HAR up, Gold up ....   #@!%^##
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2014, 05:53:59 pm
No, it was my call. Not his.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 28, 2014, 08:33:53 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 28, 2014, 10:10:18 am
I got this feeling that NAS, TKG & SHF are due for a well deserved pause i.e. sideways but not up much anymore for now?
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 28, 2014, 10:11:17 am
Remember divie on T40 2day.
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Post by: Fundamental on February 28, 2014, 02:54:09 pm
Trade deficit at 17bn for Jan :(
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Post by: Orca on February 28, 2014, 05:24:18 pm
Old forum competition attracted over 90 new players since they are on Facebook and Twitter.
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Post by: Orca on February 28, 2014, 05:27:29 pm
Talking about Facebook. Why did they pay $19B for Whatsapp and I just downloaded it for free?
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 28, 2014, 05:44:57 pm
Received an invite via email this morning to join them for comp, they're scouting. ;)
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Post by: tgg78703 on February 28, 2014, 06:45:01 pm
whats Facebook and Twitter?
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Post by: Moonraker on March 01, 2014, 10:32:16 am
Crap that you need to steer clear of. Servers hacked on FB all the time.
See http://www.imagebam.com/image/0cecf8311248325
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Post by: Moonraker on March 01, 2014, 10:35:27 am
No ADI (AdaptIT) on Buy shares. Please add.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 01, 2014, 05:31:29 pm
ADI seems pretty liquid to me - with over 1,2 million traded weekly.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 08:07:53 am
Morning all - need to buy something this week
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 03, 2014, 08:19:56 am
Hi
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Post by: Aragorn on March 03, 2014, 08:52:02 am
Aah!! We have more competition moolla today...What to buy? What to buy?
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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2014, 11:09:06 am
Morning all, yep money's in. @moon, ADI should have been there, it met the minimum criterea, not sure why it wasn't but it's back.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 03, 2014, 12:04:01 pm
Thanks @Patrick. You are a star. BTW the forum over at the dark side also omitted ADI.
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Post by: Aragorn on March 03, 2014, 12:49:29 pm
@The "other" side comp = Can't pick any shares
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 12:54:55 pm
lmao - We are aware of problems on the Sharenet Stockpicks. We are busy attending to it.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 01:45:29 pm
Arrgggg I feel violated ....  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 01:57:43 pm
Have not heard from Bread for long time...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 01:59:07 pm
Orca u are 32nd on the Darkside (Thks Mr Bond - Nice name - Darkside)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 05:15:01 pm
%^&#$* allways happens when I sell, goes up, allways
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2014, 05:59:43 pm
Well said ...
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2014, 06:26:45 pm
This is the year for Resources so my picks aint good as I don't do resources.
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2014, 06:30:55 pm
I have religiously always only use stocks that I actually hold and cannot deviate from that.
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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2014, 07:01:34 pm
I'm using a rather dodgy internet connection... About 2km from the west most point of africa right nowso I'm not sure if the deposit letters got to everyone. If you don't have it in an hours time please could you let me know.
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2014, 07:33:51 pm
Got it. Thanks.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 03, 2014, 08:15:07 pm
HAR is not resources but Gold (Precious metals). BHP for example is a resource stock
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Post by: rbrink on March 03, 2014, 08:33:39 pm
vod
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 03, 2014, 10:56:22 pm
Nice report we got with the new money, make it more fun, top daily or weekly losers and gainers. We will never learn if we don,t as well. Moonraker had no shares last week why not?, I have one portfolio in the top 10  and one in the bottom 10.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 03, 2014, 10:57:16 pm
this is not an exclusive club
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Post by: footprint on March 04, 2014, 12:54:19 am
tru
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 08:08:55 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 04, 2014, 08:16:36 am
Hi
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 09:41:14 am
GLN  :)
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2014, 10:24:38 am
Resources= gold & plat mining, general mining, coal, precious metals and oil, gas.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 12:19:24 pm
Ukraine - President Putin ordered troops involved in a military exercise in western Russia back to base in an announcement that appeared intended to ease East-West tension over fears of war in Ukraine.
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Post by: Aragorn on March 04, 2014, 12:41:48 pm
...and so the gold price drops.....
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2014, 05:49:46 pm
Stupid question. Why has GLN not have a PE ratio?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 06:04:15 pm
GLN was only listed recently-it actualy does not even appear on my Mobi site. Did phone them Twice.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 06:05:05 pm
My broker I mean (Phoned) also Reuters does not have the GNL JSE graph either. to new. wth !!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 06:22:36 pm
See "Glencore Xstrata posted forecast-beating core profit in the first set of full annual results since the commodities group was formed, helped by a strong performance from its trading arm offsetting a decline at its mining division"
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2014, 06:24:33 pm
Now I remember. Another Q. Why are there 5 year charts for GLN?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2014, 06:29:53 pm
LOL u clever - No Idea..maybe Xstrata graph
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2014, 07:15:39 pm
Your charts are London charts so perhaps it was listed there since the rocks were still soft.
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Post by: Aragorn on March 05, 2014, 08:42:24 am
Posted some forecasts from OST on the GLN thread FYI
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Post by: jaDEB on March 05, 2014, 08:44:03 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 05, 2014, 08:58:47 am
How's it going
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Post by: jaDEB on March 05, 2014, 09:01:36 am
Hectic morning - report will be done later sry
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Post by: jaDEB on March 05, 2014, 02:23:26 pm
Zzzz
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2014, 04:47:21 pm
jaDEB must be heartsore. Dropped below the top 20.
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Post by: Patrick on March 05, 2014, 05:24:02 pm
My non-thinking money wasting tester account is beating me!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 05, 2014, 05:39:17 pm
54th ... magtig :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2014, 05:52:23 pm
Still very early days.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 05, 2014, 06:47:53 pm
O&J, please go away. You are steadily nearing my turf, somewhere between 70 to 250.
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2014, 08:36:51 pm
Are you going down to see what Porn_Ster is up to at the bottom?
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 05, 2014, 08:39:48 pm
my tgg portfolio has moved up a bit from last on my shp and my aae portfolio down on gfi
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2014, 08:43:37 pm
It is a known fact that Industrials have reached their limit and Resources have taken over.
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2014, 08:44:41 pm
The cycle has turned after many years of the Indi being on top.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 05, 2014, 08:59:27 pm
resources still have labour and china issues. But there are no industrials worth a buy , some retailers have however become an option. the market to me remains to be on the defensive
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 05, 2014, 09:01:41 pm
What I meant to say is that I need to buy defensive
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2014, 08:11:21 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 06, 2014, 08:22:40 am
Hallo jaDEB
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Post by: Motown Capital on March 06, 2014, 12:21:58 pm
I wonder how load shedding will affect share movements...? Will miners be affected due to the possibility of production loss? But I'm guessing most companies have generators now, after 2008.
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Post by: Orca on March 06, 2014, 12:51:13 pm
Mines and other big companies are not swiched off. They have to cut back 10% usage.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2014, 12:51:29 pm
No I think Eishkom only release it when they want an increase in their prices
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Post by: Motown Capital on March 06, 2014, 12:55:50 pm
Do you think commodity prices will be affected still, even though the mines are not switched off (international perception)?
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 12:59:56 pm
why after selling does the ave. include previous shares sold?
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 01:01:09 pm
Cause if I buy again, the ave price includes the price of the sold shares when calcing ave?
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 01:02:12 pm
this is skewing my tactic of selling up and buying down, as the percentage gain is not accurate
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 06, 2014, 01:02:29 pm
Power just went off, so much for schedule, guess 1-2hrs?
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2014, 02:06:00 pm
@Hstig, could you give me something to base the calculations on? Shouldn't the ave buy price not be affected by sales? Anyone else know? Even so, the%gain or loss doesn't affect your standing, only your current holdings, cash on hand and tax owed do.
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 02:12:21 pm
@Hstig, could you give me something to base the calculations on? Shouldn't the ave buy price not be affected by sales? Anyone else know? Even so, the%gain or loss doesn't affect your standing, only your current holdings, cash on hand and tax owed do.
I have just bought 1 Telkom share. According to how understand, the cost should now be R33.00 per share, as I have sold all my previous holdings, effectively rebasing my gains/losses, but on my holdings, It now shows the average price of R30.78 and 7.21% growth. This should show 0% growth and average price of R33.00, as after having sold all my holdings in Telkom, I am coming in at a new base
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Post by: Mofokeng on March 06, 2014, 02:14:22 pm
CRD
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2014, 02:19:10 pm
good point, now how to put that into a calculation? What if you'd only sold half... head scratch...
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 02:23:37 pm
Selling a portion brings a weighted cost into play instead of average cost i.e
10 Telkom shares @ R30.78
Sell 3 at X price leaving 7
Purchase 3 new @ R33
then gives 3/10X R33 +7/10x R30.78 = R9.9+R21.54 = R31.44
How to keep track of which shares at which value is what I am unsure of
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2014, 02:39:48 pm
Maybe I should still use the sell numbers, but not the sell values when calculating averages... I'll run some trials...
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Post by: Hstig on March 06, 2014, 02:41:13 pm
Othwerwise each purchase must be kept at the purchase price seperately eg
Telkom  R30.78  gains X
Telkom  R33.00 gains y?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2014, 05:16:06 pm
I bought ABL today  (real & IC) . . hold thumbs
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2014, 05:19:42 pm
Holding thumbs for u jaDEB .... good luck
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 06, 2014, 09:40:43 pm
I bought some real a while ago and a few % up, was wondering to get more
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Post by: jaDEB on March 07, 2014, 08:06:03 am
Morning almal
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 07, 2014, 08:07:29 am
Hi
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Post by: Hstig on March 07, 2014, 08:32:44 am
morning
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2014, 11:00:10 am
Hello. Very determined spammer this morning...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 07, 2014, 11:09:45 am
Give him the darkside's web adress .. lol
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 07, 2014, 11:37:31 am
@P: Lucky for us, so r u
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Post by: Motown Capital on March 07, 2014, 11:51:04 am
Admin, FYI: Prices not updating
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2014, 11:55:46 am
JSE is down... Let me see what I can do with this dodgy internet here...
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2014, 11:57:50 am
Ok seems fast today, prices are busy updating on the backup links. JSE says: No data available :(
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Post by: Motown Capital on March 07, 2014, 12:05:19 pm
seems to be updating now, thanks chief
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Post by: Hstig on March 07, 2014, 02:11:11 pm
Glencore X not updating Pat
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2014, 02:37:28 pm
GLN sorted
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Post by: Hstig on March 07, 2014, 02:44:56 pm
ta
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Post by: jaDEB on March 07, 2014, 03:44:57 pm
Why is GLN down 2% ... Patrick stoppit ...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 07, 2014, 03:56:42 pm
wow gold down to $1337
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Post by: Moonraker on March 09, 2014, 08:49:39 am
fixed broken link 'why baked beans aren't for astronauts' off topic
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2014, 08:18:17 am
Morning all...
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 10, 2014, 08:27:03 am
:)
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2014, 07:55:41 pm
Goodnite. The lower we go, the less we chat.
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2014, 08:04:48 pm
Geeze man. Eight ETF's above me. What a disaster.
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2014, 08:07:50 pm
Nothing wrong to go down to see what Porn_Ster is up to at the bottom there.
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2014, 08:33:21 pm
Next time buy CML orca ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 07:56:38 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 11, 2014, 08:38:16 am
:)  Shorting should be part of any investors financial strategy, making money in any market, not just bull market.
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Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2014, 08:56:52 am
maybe we allow shorting in the challenge next year ;)
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Post by: gcr on March 11, 2014, 09:33:30 am
There was an argument to split this competition into two parts - for the traders and then for the investors. Once you start trading you are no longer an investor. Shorting is a trading activity and not an investor activity. So simple next year split the competition into two parts and investors/traders can play in both spaces - just get the rules right. I know in which category I want to play but let's not deny the traders their moment of sunshine now and again :-[
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 11:31:49 am
My 2c, the forum is more important, we need to exchange info / strategies and so on. Comp ppl come online once a month. The forum is gettin less busy by the day.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 12:23:11 pm
R54 to R57 ..
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Post by: Hstig on March 11, 2014, 12:25:58 pm
commodities getting KO'ed today
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 02:06:49 pm
SGL R25 .....  :')  .. I feel like a (.)(.) ..
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 11, 2014, 03:38:53 pm
@gcr:  Pfft, ‘moment of sunshine’ nogal.  #Basking in my ACL shorty.  >:D
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Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2014, 04:00:54 pm
Any idea why there's such a drop today MP?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 04:07:07 pm
Iron ore prices dropped due to China news.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 04:15:38 pm
Analysts have forecast more falls as the iron ore price fell to $US105 per tonne on Tuesday, with Citi analysts predicting an average price of $US80 in 2016
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 04:29:25 pm
@ Moneypenny ... nice ... :)
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Post by: Moonraker on March 11, 2014, 04:40:53 pm
Few posts only chat. No interaction to posts. Will stop posting soon.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2014, 05:02:20 pm
That is what I said earlier..sorry will try an post
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 11, 2014, 05:05:43 pm
He-he, I'll respond to you Patrick in treads-section, don't wanna vex Moonraker more than I need to.  :D
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Post by: Orca on March 11, 2014, 07:07:49 pm
Strange. No more blackouts.
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Post by: Orca on March 11, 2014, 07:10:05 pm
Orca. It is not politically correct to call them "blackouts". You must call them "previously lit areas".
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 11, 2014, 08:45:35 pm
Resources down the tubes how far will they go, and the fall of resources is the start of things , it filters through, but it could recover
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 11, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
Will it be an issue to update the 2013 results with a current standing, just for the longer term investor
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2014, 07:50:07 am
Hi all, sort it is then.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 08:06:12 am
Morning
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 08:48:42 am
Yes, hurting for now. but workin on it...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 09:55:06 am
Yes, hurting for now. but workin on it... have to say it twice :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 10:25:40 am
yip, saw that :( .  I hope my swop to ABL will pay off. Glad to see u making moola
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 10:34:52 am
I use black bags .... as my port is down
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 10:53:55 am
No, as with HAR, we can see what a SL does ...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 11:38:04 am
Comp not important to me, I use it to learn.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 12, 2014, 01:19:00 pm
@griffin: if you say so mate :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 01:42:38 pm
1TM? what is happeing?
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Post by: Moonraker on March 12, 2014, 02:15:23 pm
@JaDEB chk. the Off topic
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 02:22:25 pm
@ Mr Bond check Darkside movers
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 02:23:39 pm
MoneyPenny U there?
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Post by: Moonraker on March 12, 2014, 02:34:37 pm
@JaDEB .. suspended ?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 02:48:52 pm
gold $ 1365
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2014, 03:40:39 pm
@ jdDEB: Yes?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 03:47:02 pm
@MoneyPenny ACL was up 4% now only up 2%
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2014, 04:04:51 pm
now 1.5%   Kansvatters :), wait for 16:30 to 16:50
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 04:15:14 pm
I will be outside throwing up .... gettin a frikkin hiding
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2014, 04:25:12 pm
Hiding on which share? Not sure where you're in.
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Post by: smiley on March 12, 2014, 04:41:36 pm
kio
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 04:53:12 pm
abl - down 5%, below R10
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2014, 05:02:31 pm
Will check Abl out 2morrow, if you're planning to hold for a long period, then -5% nothing. :-)
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Post by: Orca on March 12, 2014, 05:58:15 pm
Most banks have been hit lately so don't worry too much.
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Post by: Orca on March 12, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
My PNC was hit over -12% and I am not worried at all.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2014, 06:29:30 pm
Thanks for kind words .... I have to realize that buying into ABL was high risk..will take happy tabs and wait..
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Post by: Orca on March 12, 2014, 07:55:51 pm
But check my Tech Analysis posted now.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 12, 2014, 09:02:14 pm
should be a good time to buy more abl, jadeb, I,m worried about you we tend to invest in the same stuff
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 12, 2014, 09:06:16 pm
Orca, I don,t quite think you will have the same luck with PNC you had with CML, but then what  do I know, I also loose on investments
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 08:08:41 am
Mornin all, @tgg "we tend to invest in same stuff"  lol..
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 08:17:26 am
Ok, fine, going to find a bridge ..
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 08:25:20 am
No, if I buy gold it will go down. Then your portf goes down.. lol
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 13, 2014, 08:51:08 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 10:13:24 am
Turning into recovery street  :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 10:51:14 am
lol, check darkside comp...who is 1st?
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 13, 2014, 11:24:06 am
what competition is this?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 11:26:18 am
http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/stockpicks/index.php
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2014, 11:32:49 am
No, will keep it for awhile.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 13, 2014, 06:53:45 pm
was :)

Gold shares should be a clear winner this year if the gold price holds. Even at the current price the results of gfi, har and a few other will be much better
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 13, 2014, 06:55:58 pm
my gold portfolio is giving you a run , I believe.
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Post by: Orca on March 13, 2014, 08:19:13 pm
Yeh. Thats why jaDEB's winning now and I suck.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 13, 2014, 08:23:31 pm
you talking about the other game?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 14, 2014, 07:54:49 am
Hallo almal :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 14, 2014, 08:01:09 am
Morning all
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Post by: Aragorn on March 14, 2014, 08:46:23 am
@qriffen - Time to top up on NPN today
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 14, 2014, 09:16:47 am
R80 discount per share on Naspers so far today.
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Post by: Orca on March 14, 2014, 10:04:22 am
Looks like this is the best level to buy. Opened lower than that gap I was aiming for.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 14, 2014, 10:19:14 am
Griffin u chop, u just passed me on the DarkSide .. :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 14, 2014, 10:20:50 am
Sorry, negate that as technicals show the ALSI in a downside bias for the next 2 weeks.
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Post by: Orca on March 14, 2014, 10:33:33 am
Yes q. This month is bad for me but I am waaay ahead in the neverending league comp.
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Post by: Hstig on March 14, 2014, 11:48:44 am
sjo, chinese data really hurt me. Morning all
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Post by: Moonraker on March 14, 2014, 02:03:00 pm
Crimea poll to split from Ukraine is on Sunday. Hell's Bells
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Post by: Moonraker on March 14, 2014, 02:21:02 pm
@forward curve. Agree with all your posts.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 14, 2014, 02:28:16 pm
NPN. Mail.ru = Russia..Pasop vir the sanctions that may be imposed by the 'evil' West.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 14, 2014, 03:35:10 pm
Stoppit, u making me cry ....
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Post by: jaDEB on March 14, 2014, 03:37:32 pm
bammm thru it ....
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Post by: aae on March 14, 2014, 04:06:10 pm
nice going griffin
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 16, 2014, 05:48:09 pm
weekends are so boring, when it comes to financial markets
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Post by: jaDEB on March 17, 2014, 07:49:06 am
Morning
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Post by: Nios on March 17, 2014, 07:53:51 am
@qriffin, whats driving the upswing of HAR?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 17, 2014, 07:57:15 am
Hi
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 17, 2014, 08:02:16 am
 @griff:  Nice to see you’ve overcome your initial shyness. lol. Congrats on being numero uno on both.
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Post by: Hstig on March 17, 2014, 10:14:57 am
Morning all, seems the share data is not updating?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 17, 2014, 11:07:05 am
Griffin, on the Darkside I is  creepin you from behind, ...be afraid, be very afraid
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Post by: jaDEB on March 17, 2014, 12:08:44 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 17, 2014, 05:43:34 pm
Gotha ..... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2014, 07:55:40 am
Morning all
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Post by: Hstig on March 18, 2014, 08:06:07 am
morning, pricing still lagging it seems.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 18, 2014, 08:43:23 am
Hallo to all the happy-chappies out there :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2014, 09:25:41 am
Where is Orca?
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Post by: Patrick on March 18, 2014, 09:48:53 am
Morning... So in the past two days the game's holdings of NPN went from R2.6m+ to R2.35m... Ouch! It's still the biggest holding in the game though, followed by CML at R1.7m
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Post by: Aragorn on March 18, 2014, 09:55:03 am
NPN - was in top 10 in the comp, now not even in top 100.
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Post by: Orca on March 18, 2014, 10:08:02 am
Busy jaDEB. Got 2 months left and so much to organize.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 18, 2014, 03:27:32 pm
Happy to close all shorts considering we have FOMC Statement tomorrow @20:00.  Markets always have ‘irrational good-news’-expectation beforehand.  Will most likely short again after the fact.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2014, 07:59:28 am
Morning
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Post by: Icarium on March 19, 2014, 08:09:54 am
I monday I was 200th, this morning I'm 13th. Colour me surprised...
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Post by: Aragorn on March 19, 2014, 08:28:33 am
@Icarium - Nice move on JD Group - up 30%. But will it hold?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2014, 08:29:47 am
Yes, offer was made for JD Group by Steinhoff
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 19, 2014, 08:44:55 am
Hi
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2014, 11:40:41 am
Arrgggg frikkin lovely ..  :(
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Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2014, 01:22:43 pm
What's up jaDEB?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 19, 2014, 01:33:02 pm
must be GLN/OCE/HAR or he forgot his pills again.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2014, 01:56:48 pm
Frikkin all of it and ABL   :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2014, 04:54:11 pm
Taken leave tomorrow, will be online but gaming.  :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 19, 2014, 05:00:16 pm
Yeah, you slay that dragon before breakfast jaDEB!  Enjoy.
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Post by: SiyaR on March 20, 2014, 10:22:45 am
93 ;(
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Post by: Orca on March 20, 2014, 10:35:43 am
Why is qriffin so quiet now?
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Post by: aae on March 20, 2014, 06:26:59 pm
So griffin, today was Gfi and not Har,s day
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Post by: aae on March 20, 2014, 06:43:39 pm
what was the issue with gfi today, much more than the daily average and one massive bounce in the afternoon closing auction
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Post by: Orca on March 20, 2014, 07:26:45 pm
Har har har. The lowest expected performer in it's sector.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 08:09:03 am
Morning all
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Post by: AdriaanG on March 24, 2014, 08:16:37 am
Top of the morning to all
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 24, 2014, 08:57:02 am
Hallo
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 01:51:39 pm
Griffin ? u there ?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 03:15:28 pm
How do u clean silver coin ?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 03:20:08 pm
raw potato cut in half and rub the coin with it
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 03:30:35 pm
Try a light soaking in lemon juice, if there is encrustation which is a little stubborn.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2014, 03:31:10 pm
Thanks jaDEB
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Post by: Orca on March 24, 2014, 06:23:49 pm
You guys not posting is making jaDEB act weird.
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Post by: Orca on March 24, 2014, 06:25:28 pm
His stocks are not performing so now trying to sell his old silver coins.
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Post by: Patrick on March 24, 2014, 07:29:51 pm
I'm on leave from tomorrow! Still at work now though :(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 25, 2014, 07:50:31 am
lol morning, thanks for making me smile :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 25, 2014, 08:31:40 am
@ jaDEB: You were all by your onesies yesterday? @ Patrick: Enjoy
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Post by: Aragorn on March 25, 2014, 12:34:32 pm
PNC being hammered - check SENS
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Post by: AdriaanG on March 25, 2014, 12:38:31 pm
PNC - What brought this on - Luckily i cashed it all in this moning - phew!
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Post by: Moonraker on March 25, 2014, 12:42:50 pm
JOHANNESBURG - An executive director of South African technology firm Pinnacle Holdings allegedly offered a R5 million ($460,400)bribe to a senior police official in order to win a contract for his company, police said on Tuesday.
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Post by: AdriaanG on March 25, 2014, 12:53:19 pm
Thanks Moonraker.\
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Post by: jaDEB on March 25, 2014, 02:49:50 pm
Orca u got PNC ?
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on March 25, 2014, 04:29:37 pm
Absolutely no coincidence that the Executive director sold  R 4 000 120 worth of shares yesterday :whistle: ! See http://data.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb/sharedata/scripts/sens.asp?id=229450 (http://data.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb/sharedata/scripts/sens.asp?id=229450)
Blerrie korrup!!
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Post by: Orca on March 25, 2014, 05:50:31 pm
Had no internet today and now see this PNC thing. Would have sold asap but now perhaps too late as it will drop at open big time as more investors get the news.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 25, 2014, 05:54:23 pm
Could be a good time to buy, people over react, So far I do not see much news that will affect the company, only a director, unless they did get the contract and it was substantial
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Post by: jaDEB on March 25, 2014, 05:59:52 pm
Bought PNC for Comp today :) .. good luck Orca, I see other Director also sold R23 M. shares
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Post by: jaDEB on March 26, 2014, 07:52:27 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 26, 2014, 08:04:56 am
;)
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Post by: Orca on March 26, 2014, 10:03:28 am
:(
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Post by: Shi on March 26, 2014, 11:19:03 am
Went from 14th to 249 mainly because of PNC :-(
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Post by: Patrick on March 26, 2014, 04:51:38 pm
@Shi they also dragged me down, bought just 2 weeks ago!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 26, 2014, 05:52:11 pm
Gold 1304 ...  
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Post by: jaDEB on March 26, 2014, 05:52:44 pm
sry wtf happened there ? sry Patrck..
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 26, 2014, 06:59:28 pm
Is griffins post frequency related to his position in the game or is he on leave in a place with no comms
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 26, 2014, 07:03:56 pm
Ek se Patrick, how about an advance on next months cash, I,m think pnc might recover and it took me for an ape, need to get my cost down
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Post by: Orca on March 26, 2014, 07:31:00 pm
I think he is upset by everybody calling him Griffin. He is Qriffin but I know him a Griffin so will keep to that.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 26, 2014, 08:54:45 pm
nice point you have, was he pui when he missed the u or is he a differenet nationality
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2014, 07:58:05 am
Morning all, I am also wondering where is Griffin
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 27, 2014, 07:59:59 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2014, 10:20:18 am
Gold below 1300 :'(
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on March 27, 2014, 12:14:08 pm
Let me buy Gold now....this is a good opportunity for me :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2014, 12:30:09 pm
Agree
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Post by: Patrick on March 27, 2014, 04:28:45 pm
nice bounce by PNC today. a couple of people bought it for the challenge yesterday
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2014, 04:29:09 pm
Zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 27, 2014, 05:01:31 pm
I bought a few real ones early this morning
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Post by: Orca on March 27, 2014, 05:24:30 pm
Glad I held on today in my real port. Had a sell that I cancelled.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2014, 05:26:57 pm
@ tgg & Orca -- Nice
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Post by: Orca on March 27, 2014, 05:33:36 pm
Thought this could be a dead cat bounce but see large buyers still lined up.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2014, 08:02:47 am
More almal
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 28, 2014, 08:42:29 am
More jaDEB, :) wat sê jy vandag?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2014, 10:45:25 am
")
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2014, 10:45:33 am
:)
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Post by: Aragorn on March 28, 2014, 12:17:18 pm
PNC - I note Fourie just bought a bunch of shares. cR2 mil
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2014, 01:25:02 pm
So he made awesome money selling, now he going to coin it buying so low. I think it is unfair ....
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 28, 2014, 01:35:54 pm
I note that faizaan timed his pnc buy very well
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Post by: franz on March 28, 2014, 03:05:22 pm
Fourie bought another 1 000 000 shares- 13.5 mil
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Post by: Orca on March 28, 2014, 03:12:15 pm
Total bought is R18.8M. Pacifying the investors perhaps.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 28, 2014, 04:10:10 pm
I don,t see someone put so much money on the line if there is shit just to pacify investors
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Post by: Icarium on March 28, 2014, 04:22:19 pm
Pietsparkplug seems to have found a few bugs in the challenge...
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Post by: Orca on March 28, 2014, 05:44:47 pm
Suppose so tgg. Perhaps he knows more than we do like the charges won't stick.
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Post by: Motown Capital on March 28, 2014, 06:07:27 pm
I don't understand how he's done it... with only 1.14% growth? Or has he made his profits elsewhere and sold?
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2014, 02:50:49 am
I'm stumped too. Anyone have an idea how the money was made?
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2014, 02:55:09 am
OK I think I have it. Looks like his last purchase duplicated for some reason. I'll have to delete one of the records. Seems to have been a system error rather than cheating.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2014, 08:35:38 am
Yip, saw it was done twice.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2014, 08:52:39 am
Wonder where is Griffin ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2014, 03:32:42 am
Ok fixed pitspark but it's still not right. Can't figure out why it's off, but it's off. Likely I'll have to reduce the number of LHC shares he has. Anyone care to do the calc to work out what the total should be?
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Post by: Pietsparkplug on March 31, 2014, 07:49:23 am
Hi guys!! This was a system error and wasn't done on purpose so would appreciate it if you can fix it for me!!
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Post by: AdriaanG on March 31, 2014, 08:06:43 am
I call for his head to roll!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2014, 08:10:30 am
Morning all
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Post by: AdriaanG on March 31, 2014, 08:19:34 am
It starts with a honest little mistake, what is next? Let's fine him. 25% of all Net profit for a quarter to be paid over to the Red Cross Society.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2014, 08:38:20 am
lol . I agree, but I think the top 254 players should be fined by 50% of their holding..that sounds like an idea.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2014, 02:31:11 pm
OCE : - )
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2014, 04:23:40 pm
Frikkin talkin to myself again, where is my frikkin tablets ...   :(
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 31, 2014, 05:03:02 pm
pitsparklplugs sales and purchases don,t add up to enough profit for the purchase of R341.741.32 of lhc

 have I got a calculation error
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2014, 06:32:46 pm
I want my new money now. Wanna buy NPN while it is down.
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2014, 06:45:06 pm
Why is CML shown as 9815 after 2 hours and the price is 9900?
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 31, 2014, 07:30:28 pm
already corrected for tomorrow
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 31, 2014, 07:33:07 pm
When is faizaan going to admit to whom he actually is, to join a game and buy pnc at that stage means you are a current player.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 31, 2014, 07:34:13 pm
jaDEB?
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
Can you explain that in English please.
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Post by: tgg78703 on March 31, 2014, 08:16:59 pm
Can you explain that in English please.

what am i to explain Dear Sir
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2014, 08:59:51 am
Nope not me, I is only jaDEB. it is hard for me to remember my name, nevermind 2 names.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2014, 09:00:01 am
Nope not me, I is only jaDEB. it is hard for me to remember my name, nevermind 2 names.
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Post by: MulaShare on April 01, 2014, 11:22:56 am
KUMBA
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 01, 2014, 11:44:56 am
qriffin must be busy researching for a share to take the lead again
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Post by: gcr on April 01, 2014, 12:26:15 pm
Wasn't sure where to post this, but have spent the last 15 days in Cape Town and the surrounds. Was based at Helderberg Village in Somerset West and was moving my parents from there to a frail care operation in Pinelands so drove extensively around towns and through all the suburbs around Pinelands, went through to the CBD but via back roads and I must say it was an absolute pleasure to drive on the roads in and around the suburbs - no pot holes. The only places where I say signs of pot holes seemed to be around Claremont on the lower side near the railway lines and where there was high taxi usage. Came back last night to an absolute nightmare of a road from Lanseria to my place in Randparkridge. These jokers in charge of Joburg have no concept of maintenance and repairs to the road system or to service delivery. Maybe the city councillors needs to change their slogan for something more appropriate and on the lines "Joburg an African city in distress"
Thought I would just share my experiences with forumites. Would I move to CT - definitely not - Gauteng has the best climate possible 8)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2014, 12:47:24 pm
They did say it is all the rain, and they will be working on it (Potholes) let see if it happens.
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Post by: gcr on April 01, 2014, 01:25:09 pm
They did say it is all the rain, and they will be working on it (Potholes) let see if it happens.
The pot holes were numerous before the rains - the rain merely worsened the situation >:(
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2014, 02:53:44 pm
We have better climate due to the proximity of the cool sea. Hardly ever below 8 or above 32.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2014, 03:29:33 pm
CML above R100 ... nice Orca....
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Post by: gcr on April 01, 2014, 03:46:07 pm
We have better climate due to the proximity of the cool sea. Hardly ever below 8 or above 32.
Well you must live in a favoured neck of CT because it rained for 2 days out Somerset West last week Wednesday and Thursday and not much better in Pinelands, Rondebosch, Claremont, Maitland, Woodstock, Strand and others
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2014, 05:28:34 pm
Yes. CML shot through the 100 resistance. Trading Statement soon I hope. Will see 110 at month end.
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2014, 05:30:16 pm
It's great to have an occasional summer shower in Cape Town.
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 01, 2014, 06:57:57 pm
you are moving up the ladder nicely
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2014, 08:08:41 pm
Yes. I am booking my flight to Portugal on the 28 May thanks to CML. Will post from there.
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 01, 2014, 09:14:38 pm
Enjoy it
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 01, 2014, 09:17:29 pm
 ;)
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Post by: AdriaanG on April 02, 2014, 07:53:05 am
PITSPARK still way up there on the leaderboard. Can we not ask him to re-register?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 02, 2014, 08:58:25 am
Morning all
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Post by: Patrick on April 02, 2014, 01:45:39 pm
I'll adjust Piet soon. I'm just in the pilansberg and have little to no internet access.
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Post by: AdriaanG on April 02, 2014, 03:28:45 pm
Thanks Patrick, have a good one!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 02, 2014, 04:33:09 pm
Patrick put some dancing girls on web, the site has been very quiet
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 02, 2014, 07:21:55 pm
i,m 23 and 27 with 2 very different portfolio,s and not one has cml. ;D
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2014, 07:57:16 am
Watched wolf of wall street last night ... shares & drugs ...  :)
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 03, 2014, 11:33:57 am
whats with purchases getting duplicated, FransH as well
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 03, 2014, 12:32:03 pm
On holiday but just had to check in on shorties, whoo-hoo! Don’t you just love it when your shorts behave despicable in all-time high markets?  Talking to you my two Super-M’s: Mittal & Masmart :)
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Post by: Icarium on April 03, 2014, 01:19:15 pm
Some days this game makes me think I actually know what I'm doing. And then I slap myself awake.
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2014, 06:37:13 pm
Join the club mate. The markets are also members.
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 03, 2014, 09:23:40 pm
took a bit of a bashing today, or was it a slight pullback
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2014, 02:43:17 pm
Gold :)
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Post by: Orca on April 04, 2014, 04:00:06 pm
Hope the NFP results are not too good.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 04, 2014, 05:10:28 pm
-_-
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 04, 2014, 08:56:17 pm
seems you might as well close the site down, total lack of interest or any meaningfull discussion.
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Post by: tgg78703 on April 04, 2014, 08:59:00 pm
some persons are just to important and know everything about investing but need to work abit on social interaction skills. Even though their portfolio is not a factor,I will get get back to my biking chatters, they has personality
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 04, 2014, 09:05:24 pm
Geez tgg, why so mad, talk to me, I'm here :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 07, 2014, 07:40:37 am
Morning all -
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Post by: Patrick on April 07, 2014, 08:17:57 am
Hello everyone, back in my own office for the first time in months...
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 08:33:32 am
:)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 09:23:54 am
NPN -4.68%
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 09:25:57 am
Most traded (all neg) NPN, SOL, SHP, KIO
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 09:28:12 am
Top movers up: Afr Bank, Afr Rainbow, HAR, MSM,
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Post by: Patrick on April 07, 2014, 09:37:58 am
Somebody bought 137 RMBMID's for 750 instead of the going rate 617 shooting it to the top of the leaderboard!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 07, 2014, 09:39:08 am
@mnpny - ABL also high volumes traded over 4mil
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 09:56:45 am
Europe markets and US futures on session lows and still going down atm, seems local markets moving more positive, lol.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 07, 2014, 01:27:12 pm
US futures Dow -0.32%, S&P -0.41%, Nas -0.76% opening in 2hrs
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Post by: Moonraker on April 08, 2014, 03:16:49 pm
Mondi suffering due to Ukraine bad situation.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 08, 2014, 05:58:34 pm
US up +0.16%,+0.24% +0.56%
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Post by: jaDEB on April 09, 2014, 07:26:49 am
Morning all
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Post by: bw on April 09, 2014, 10:39:40 am
accentuate
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Post by: jaDEB on April 09, 2014, 11:01:16 am
Orca, u CML statement?  please give us your input
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Post by: Orca on April 09, 2014, 03:06:58 pm
Ok. In the CML thread.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 09, 2014, 04:37:13 pm
Thks Orca.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2014, 09:19:11 am
Hey griffin, gold :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2014, 09:38:35 am
Rant is getting strong   ....   :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 10, 2014, 11:42:21 am
So is the rand. Will be buying 3 airline tickets in Euro tomorrow.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 10, 2014, 02:42:09 pm
Jobless claims decreased by 32,000 to 300,000 in the week ended April 5, the lowest since May 2007, a Labor Department report showed today in Washington. The figure was lower than the most optimistic forecast in a Bloomberg survey of 52 economists.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 10, 2014, 02:44:07 pm
Runt may weaken slightly as a result.
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Post by: Orca on April 10, 2014, 05:06:03 pm
Ha ha ha. jaDEB's Ranting and Moon's Runting.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 10, 2014, 07:00:18 pm
Here we go again, Nasdaq -2,34%, Dow minus triple digits.
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Post by: Orca on April 10, 2014, 07:11:54 pm
Oh shoot. That's a massive drop and we will follow tomorrow.
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Post by: Orca on April 10, 2014, 07:13:04 pm
I see it's mostly Tech stocks. Poor PNC.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2014, 08:51:57 am
ABL hit R11 yest. Hopefully it can weather the opening storm.... :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 11, 2014, 02:57:36 pm
Futures: Nas -0.7, S&P -0.5, Dow -0.5% Opening in 32 min
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Post by: Snakepit on April 12, 2014, 04:42:01 pm
This feels like dangerous times. A global reset of all the indicators is required before mind blowing new heights can be achieved again. But I have seen us reach new heights on minimum volume. So don't take my word for it. Just have those stops in place.
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Post by: Snakepit on April 12, 2014, 04:47:50 pm
Dow drop targets:
15545
15350
14737
14220
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 14, 2014, 09:07:44 am
Europe opens DAX -0.8%, FTSE -0.5%, CAC -0.4%
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Post by: Moonraker on April 14, 2014, 03:49:24 pm
Is the Leaderboard updating ? Prices here have not changed since Friday.
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Post by: gcr on April 14, 2014, 04:22:13 pm
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Post by: gcr on April 14, 2014, 04:23:23 pm
I see my portfolio value has remained at such a level that I have been in 83 place pretty much the entire day - are the portfolios updating
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Post by: Luna on April 14, 2014, 04:37:50 pm
Yeah, I'm at the same position as well... nothing changed since this morning.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 14, 2014, 05:02:08 pm
SGL - R27 I is crying like a baby ... :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 14, 2014, 07:18:20 pm
Lately I can only post after hours as I am so busy with emigration stuff. After hours stuff don't get read as they don't show "Today" but comments for my CML techs will be welcome.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 15, 2014, 02:54:26 pm
Gold is tanking .....
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Post by: Orca on April 15, 2014, 06:11:26 pm
The CML technicals have failed due to market sentiment.So far so good though. Nearing the BB lower. :)
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Post by: attuu on April 15, 2014, 09:13:02 pm
Negative p/e ratio
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2014, 09:05:13 am
Can someone remind me what the share code was for barclays group africa before they became BGA?
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 16, 2014, 10:09:56 am
ASA - Absa
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on April 16, 2014, 10:20:36 am
Just a note Patrick, as I am sure you are working on BGA/ASA : the current price is zero as reported on my holdings. Got a minor heart attack when I saw missing amount from portfolio!
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2014, 10:36:56 am
Haha yeah I'm trying to sort out a replacement for the old JSE link. The new website doesn't have a page with all the price updates and for some reason google doesn't have an option for BGA. The other backup should recover it soon.
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2014, 01:29:23 pm
Ok all shares should now be updating. Bloomberg picked up where the JSE dropped the ball!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 16, 2014, 06:18:45 pm
I see I is talking to myself again.....
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 16, 2014, 06:35:17 pm
I know, I hate it when I see: ‘Latest post: Moneypenny’, blah, blah, Moneypenny, blah, blah, Moneypennny, blah,blah,blah. I make myself sick at this stage. Would be really nice to read something else. Anything else. :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 16, 2014, 06:45:31 pm
Fark this.
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Post by: Nivek on April 16, 2014, 06:54:35 pm
I've been quiet lately. I made some very bad calls recently so I'm not ready to advise.
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Post by: Orca on April 16, 2014, 07:01:02 pm
No MP. Stay here. We read your posts.
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Post by: Orca on April 16, 2014, 07:02:22 pm
At this stage, I can only post after close as I have too much to do.
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2014, 09:53:44 pm
I follow your posts daily MP. suppose I should write more. not sure if you know this but the today's outlook these has 22000 views. by far the highest on this forum. you definitely have an audience!
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 17, 2014, 08:50:18 am
Okay munchkins, I get it, write, don’t’ read.  (@P: 21’ views, that’s me posting :-P)  Anyway.
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Post by: Icarium on April 17, 2014, 10:11:48 am
Silly taxes knicking me down from potential 4th to 12th :(
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2014, 10:32:55 am
@Icarium it'd happen in real life too! Your profit is quite impressive. I was hoping we'd see more of the traders high up in the competition. A lot of people seem to talk about how they make it big, but I'd love to see the proof!
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 17, 2014, 10:59:16 am
Say what? You’ll be inane to try and ‘trade’ equities. You invest (> 3 yrs) in equities, you trade CFD’s.  They are geared, a little movement on underlying share up or down results in huge profit/loss.
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2014, 11:10:59 am
True MP... Just curious, how complicated are the systems behind CFDs? Do you think there's be people interested in a CFD style challenge?
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Post by: Icarium on April 17, 2014, 11:16:13 am
@MP - My real life strategy is paying off my bond. This is just for fun! (And educational)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 17, 2014, 11:27:38 am
@IC: This is a good place to learn :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 17, 2014, 11:28:59 am
@P:  Not complicated, but you would need live prices imo, delayed won't work.
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2014, 11:38:59 am
Thanks MP. @Icarium, I actually initially took money out of my bond to buy some STXIND. Last year that paid off very well, this year I'm down on that by a few %, but it's still early days... Overall it was a huge plus for me.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 17, 2014, 12:07:43 pm
@P:  To see real time CFD’s in action, go to www.ig.com, click right bottom and open free demo acc (2 weeks) with R100 000 playmoney. Open contracts long/short on Alsi, T40 & companies and you will see money move at lightning speeds, serious profits/loss in no time.
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Post by: Snakepit on April 18, 2014, 10:47:38 am
My 2 cents - You can put a stop loss on CFD's and most probably on shares also. To me the biggest real "loss" is the tax implications. Although you can write your losses off against your profits. So I'm in two minds about that. The one massive component when trading derivatives like cfd's, you must be an active trader and not a passive trader. You have to monitor it all day like the traders that work for the big companies do. You can't buy and walk away.

When you start trading cfd's or any other geared instrument, that becomes your day job. It is crucial that you understand that. Prepare yourself to sit in front of the screen for 8 hours straight. I can warn you. It is emotional draining. You will reach a stage where you think that the time spend in front of the screen is crazy, although you are making money. I have seen guys that make big profits, and I mean big profits, walk away. Your work (trading) life balance goes right out the window. Most traders nail it down to say 4 hours per day and then they walk away.

Working in a nuclear silo, is nothing compared to trading with derivatives :wall:
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2014, 08:42:55 am
Morning all
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Post by: MrMafia on April 22, 2014, 08:57:19 am
From 2nd place to 108th.  :(  
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Post by: giggsie on April 22, 2014, 09:02:52 am
From 168th to 23rd.... but i have just been Lucky :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 22, 2014, 09:16:46 am
Morning everyone. Hope you all had a great easter weekend.
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Post by: Icarium on April 22, 2014, 10:29:44 am
Go go 0.02% for 10%...!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2014, 11:04:44 am
ABL clapped the R11 level... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2014, 08:12:01 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 23, 2014, 09:06:54 am
:)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 23, 2014, 09:23:44 am
JSE Trading delayed by technical issue
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 23, 2014, 09:45:04 am
Resolved, market opening auction @ 9:45, normal trading starting @ 10:00
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2014, 11:48:47 am
ABL   :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2014, 06:36:30 pm
ABL :) x 2 . :) :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 24, 2014, 10:36:20 am
$#@ &## *() (.)
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Post by: Orca on April 24, 2014, 02:22:17 pm
CML making another attempt at 100.00
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Post by: Patrick on April 24, 2014, 02:51:34 pm
Go CML!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 24, 2014, 02:55:09 pm
Hey, back down, it is my turn ----- ABL
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Post by: Patrick on April 24, 2014, 10:15:25 pm
Phew, what a day. As you might have realised the server almost completely crashed! Looked like another attack on one of my other sites...
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Post by: Neil on April 25, 2014, 09:22:25 pm
Patrick, from where do you get your JSE share data? do you use an API of some sort? scrape it from somewhere? Parse the Html code on a webpage?

Phew, what a day. As you might have realised the server almost completely crashed! Looked like another attack on one of my other sites...

Must have been a DOS attack via a botnet
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Post by: Patrick on April 26, 2014, 06:11:04 pm
I used to scrape it from the JSE, but with the website update they took down that page. Now I get it via json from Bloomberg. Why do you ask?
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Post by: Neil on April 27, 2014, 09:18:36 am
I used to scrape it from the JSE, but with the website update they took down that page. Now I get it via json from Bloomberg. Why do you ask?

Im currently writing a Trading/Investment bot for the NASDAQ in C#, and I would like to integrate the JSE exchange into it as an additional exchange but mainly for testing purposes.

Its an experimental program of mine, the part of getting my data for the NASDAQ is almost finished, then ill start writing the AI side
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Post by: Chadb on April 29, 2014, 10:18:22 am
mass mart
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2014, 11:18:01 am
PNC down 8%
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2014, 12:14:39 pm
That's quite a drop, I didn't see any news release?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2014, 12:18:15 pm
Yip, insider trading being investigated See dark side
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Post by: Shi on April 29, 2014, 12:41:08 pm
Patrick, what's happens with the AQP rights offer?

On PNC, there was a Sunday Times article that gave more details on the charges, and from the off, the director looks guilty.
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2014, 12:57:21 pm
What we did last year was force the rights offers to be taken. I think it only happened once though. I'll likely do the same this year again. When does it happen?
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Post by: Shi on April 29, 2014, 01:03:47 pm
On AQPN ... sold by 6th May or exercised by 12th May

Thanx Patrick
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Post by: Orca on April 29, 2014, 05:49:52 pm
I can't sell my PNC until I leave. SARS has blocked my account.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2014, 06:49:30 pm
U have PNC? damn I forgot.... sorry...
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Post by: Orca on April 29, 2014, 07:09:19 pm
Yes but only had about R300K in it so not too worried.
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Post by: Orca on April 29, 2014, 07:12:00 pm
It is now R198K
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2014, 07:20:34 pm
What did u buy it at?
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Post by: Orca on April 30, 2014, 02:28:07 pm
1533
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2014, 02:36:59 pm
Cool, that is what I am going to sell my ABL
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Post by: Patrick on May 01, 2014, 12:15:22 pm
Everyone enjoying a day off but me... At least there was no traffic!
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Post by: Moonraker on May 01, 2014, 05:37:36 pm
JSE open on election day ?
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Post by: Shi on May 01, 2014, 08:47:32 pm
JSE open on election day ?

Nope ... day has been declared as a public holiday so same applies here.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 02, 2014, 09:30:07 am
abl --- (.)  --  Noooooooo !!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 02, 2014, 10:43:45 am
Sold ABL
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on May 02, 2014, 11:15:47 am
Sold all holding of ABL - no ways this can turn out good now.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 02, 2014, 11:32:23 am
Also did that ... sold all. Small profit
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Post by: Moonraker on May 02, 2014, 12:09:23 pm
ADI price on Leaderbrd. incorrect - too high.
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Post by: Patrick on May 02, 2014, 12:22:04 pm
I'll check on it
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Post by: Moonraker on May 02, 2014, 01:58:56 pm
Thanks Patrick
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Post by: Patrick on May 05, 2014, 09:19:11 am
Morning all
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2014, 09:19:48 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 05, 2014, 09:24:10 am
;)
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Post by: Icarium on May 05, 2014, 12:12:05 pm
Current leader's holdings are showing a loss. Leaderboard bugged?
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Post by: Patrick on May 05, 2014, 12:48:05 pm
Icarium can you show me a screenshot. Looks ok on my end.
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Post by: Icarium on May 06, 2014, 07:43:57 am
It was showing Bullish Bear as the leader for me, but not anymore.
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2014, 01:09:34 pm
Just left JHB for Cape Town on the Shosholoza train. Great experiance with good food and service.  :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 06, 2014, 03:30:51 pm
let me know how it goes. I've been wanting to take my son on that for a while now.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2014, 04:06:57 pm
CML doing nice again
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 06, 2014, 04:26:53 pm
One of the few ones making it today.
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2014, 05:05:25 pm
Financial results out next week for CML.
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Post by: Orca on May 07, 2014, 08:25:02 pm
Hi P. Just got back from JHB. Food is great. Eat in the dinning car or in your compartment. Bar open all day and night. Coffee and beer trollies to sleeper compartments occasionally or you can sit at table or buy and take out. No noise at night.  
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Post by: Orca on May 07, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
R600.00 pp one way from Cape Town to JHB. Much cheaper than flights and more enjoyable. You can do the JHB to Durban cheaper.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 08, 2014, 09:25:09 am
O, how long did it take CPT-JHB?
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Post by: Patrick on May 08, 2014, 12:59:35 pm
@Moneypenny The schedule says you leave jhb at 12:30 and arrive at15:30 the next day. 27 hours in total.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 08, 2014, 03:26:27 pm
Wow that's a long time, hopefully scenic route.
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Post by: Orca on May 08, 2014, 07:19:44 pm
Of the 27 hours, you sleep for 10. So 17 hrs of enjoying the scenery and chatting. Their are 3 prong and 2 prong plugs for your electronic stuff to keep you occupied. Staff is very efficient and keep you supplied with refreshments.  
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Post by: Orca on May 08, 2014, 07:20:55 pm
I would love to do the Cape to Durban route.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 08, 2014, 07:24:26 pm
Lol, no O, you sleep 10, I have 4 more extra to kill. 8)
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Post by: Orca on May 08, 2014, 07:41:46 pm
They have shutters on the windows that make the compartment pitch black and the movement of the train lulls one to sleep.
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Post by: Orca on May 08, 2014, 07:43:06 pm
The beers help as well.
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Post by: Patrick on May 09, 2014, 10:46:13 am
Thanks Orca, I'm definitely going to book a trip for my boy and I some time.
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on May 09, 2014, 01:39:54 pm
Pinnacle se Moer! there is no hope here.
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2014, 07:54:34 am
Happy monday everyone
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Post by: Neil on May 12, 2014, 01:42:00 pm
Does anyone know why ADW has shot up so much in last few days? I bought 35000 shares at 6c a share, so im smiling all the way to the bank, but i cant find a sens or anything to explain this massive rise
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Post by: Luna on May 12, 2014, 01:45:39 pm
http://www.sharechat.co.za/forum/topic/20623-afdawn/#entry235534
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 12, 2014, 02:19:31 pm
@P: lol, what's so special 'bout this Monday?
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2014, 02:23:50 pm
@MP Haha I had a great weekend so I woke up in a fantastic mood! Hope yours was good too.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 12, 2014, 02:36:32 pm
Obviously more subdued than yours, but I'm happy for you! ;-)
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Post by: Orca on May 12, 2014, 07:36:50 pm
Spent another day at SARS. New software system and was so slow as no one knew how to use it.
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Post by: Patrick on May 13, 2014, 08:50:33 am
Love it, since my post yesterday I'm getting WONGA ads on my site. I'm thinking they haven't read the post... :)
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Post by: Neil on May 13, 2014, 10:55:49 am
how much ad revenue do you typically generate from your site?
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Post by: Patrick on May 13, 2014, 12:40:50 pm
Nearly half a beer a day ;)
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Post by: fredy on May 13, 2014, 04:50:41 pm
What is happening to TOR
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Post by: Nivek on May 13, 2014, 05:50:24 pm
It looks like just a volatile smallcap. I see no news.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 13, 2014, 05:58:14 pm
Whoa! Thor, thought you said Thor, had my attention there for a moment. ;-)   High of 260 today, low of 235, 65 deals -5.77%.  Nothing happening, just a small cap making usual small cap moves. Also today a few share dealings by associates of a director of a sub, nothing much else I can see.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 14, 2014, 01:06:34 pm
Naspers moving after Tencent update, +7.36% now, taking Alsi with it.
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Post by: Nivek on May 14, 2014, 02:43:52 pm
Big move, how good was the update?
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Post by: Patrick on May 14, 2014, 03:04:49 pm
Good enough to bump the indi by 1.25% :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 15, 2014, 09:20:28 am
1Q net profit up 60%
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Post by: Patrick on May 16, 2014, 01:47:40 pm
Enjoy the weekend everyone
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Post by: Orca on May 16, 2014, 03:17:56 pm
Oh, is it weekend again?
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on May 19, 2014, 10:35:14 am
iQ or 1Q ?
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Post by: Shi on May 19, 2014, 11:55:51 am
On AQPN ... sold by 6th May or exercised by 12th May

Patrick, reminder on the AQP rights offer.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2014, 02:38:14 pm
Why is ABL going up. I want it at R3 ;'(
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Post by: Nivek on May 19, 2014, 04:25:51 pm
I still wouldn't buy it at R3
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Post by: jaDEB on May 20, 2014, 09:36:36 am
hEY I aM lAst on thE DARk sIDe loL
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Post by: Orca on May 20, 2014, 03:58:23 pm
A long trade on CML will get you 10% in days.
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Post by: Orca on May 20, 2014, 04:23:40 pm
Was going to add some at 9570 but it seems stuck at 9820 here.
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Post by: Patrick on May 21, 2014, 12:59:55 pm
I see we have traders at the #1 and #2 spot... First time they've beaten the investors...
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Post by: gcr on May 21, 2014, 04:51:26 pm
I see we have traders at the #1 and #2 spot... First time they've beaten the investors...
If I look at the first placed person then costs and profit are very close to one another - so it would seem that the value is in the counters held rather than from the churn in holdings
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Post by: Hannes on May 21, 2014, 05:15:47 pm
Why can't I access my shares in "my holdings". They say ouput error in unknown on line 0. Now I can't trade. Anyone else have he same poblem?
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Post by: Patrick on May 21, 2014, 05:59:49 pm
Sorry Hannes, common problem, let me see what I can do.
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Post by: Orca on May 21, 2014, 06:52:49 pm
Too late for CML investors. From now it is up and up for the divie.
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Post by: Orca on May 21, 2014, 07:28:39 pm
Oh, Sorry. I see you are all sleeping now.
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Post by: Snakepit on May 21, 2014, 07:37:20 pm
Me 2 - Can't see my holdings.
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Post by: Mr Beni on May 21, 2014, 07:47:31 pm
Same here
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Post by: Patrick on May 22, 2014, 07:28:45 am
Seems to be fixed today
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Post by: Patrick on May 22, 2014, 07:33:15 am
That was the weirdest thing, I couldn't fix it last night but it fixed itself. Confused I am...
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Post by: Blue Shirt on May 22, 2014, 10:26:32 am
I see we have traders at the #1 and #2 spot... First time they've beaten the investors...

I see today that I am sitting in the #2 spot. I would not classify myself as a trader, perhaps a hybrid investor who is not afraid of locking in profits when the opportunity calls.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 22, 2014, 03:19:46 pm
Rate unchanged
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Post by: Mr. Venter on May 23, 2014, 09:46:56 am
My last transaction reflects twice on my profile. Effectively my total worth is R100k higher than what is shows on the leader board, and some of the fees are then calculated wrong as well. Anybody else have this issue?
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Post by: Luna on May 23, 2014, 10:16:30 am
This happened to me as well when I bought and quickly sold ASSORE shares. I'm not sure what the effects are when this happens. My total worth was about the same? I think... it did not increase by R48078 due to this issue, it was less .... I think the system still calculated the profit/loss and withdrew taxes?

After the sell I had, 37.67% cash on hand, 11.89% in Old Mutual and 59.49% in Vodacom (I saved the data on that day in a excel spreadsheet). This makes a total of 109.05%. So, somehow I've got 9.05% more money even though I effectively or accidentally ( :P) bought and sold shares at the same price. Today, I sill have about 107.88% as the total.

It would be nice if we could actually see how much taxes and fees we have paid as part of the list when buying and selling shares. If I make a gain on one share after selling but I make a loss on another share when I sell.. how does this typically affect the amount of taxes you pay? Does this system work correctly?
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2014, 10:47:44 am
Taxes are calculated at 30% of the net profit on sales of shares, so a loss would reduce the taxes. The double purchase/sale has me totally confused. I have to roll those back manually. Strangely I have code in place that's meant to block just that...
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Post by: Hannes on May 23, 2014, 10:48:44 am
It also happened to me. The system sold one of my transactions twice, thus my total worth shows R145k less than it should be. Also my shares % of my portfolio added together adds up to 140.19% which is obviously totally impossible. Hope this is fixable!
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2014, 10:49:13 am
Might be a breakdown between the database and web server. FYI I'm moving to a new server to gain some speed, I'm hoping that it doesn't have this issue.
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2014, 11:29:33 am
Apologies, need to remove this from the live chat, it seems to be a possible cause for major server load...
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2014, 02:02:25 pm
test
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2014, 02:04:48 pm
Ok is everyone seeing the chat again?
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Post by: Luna on June 23, 2014, 02:15:00 pm
jip
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Post by: Orca on June 23, 2014, 03:50:59 pm
Taking a break from exploring due to rain.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 23, 2014, 05:15:46 pm
Patrick, my message is not in 'Sent'. I think maybe a DNS thingie. Will check tomorrow.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 23, 2014, 05:16:42 pm
Seems OK if I use 8.8.8.8
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2014, 05:28:39 pm
All fine, except avatar & pics not showing
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2014, 05:50:16 pm
Patrick, why is I last in Comp ?
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2014, 06:21:42 pm
thanks guys, @jadeb was it not just you successfully showing a buy high and sell low strategy?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 23, 2014, 09:21:22 pm
Seriously, you guys crack me up.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2014, 08:18:19 am
@ Patrick, :'( , lol
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2014, 10:35:47 am
Ok attachments and avatars back to normal...
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Post by: gcr on June 24, 2014, 10:56:01 am
Just a question - I had to log in today yet I have recorded that I should remain logged in "forever" - does the system have a time out feature to its structure?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2014, 11:06:50 am
Thks P
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2014, 11:15:02 am
Gold 1325 :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2014, 12:05:14 pm
@gcr, I changed the cookie details, so that would have caused everyone to need to log in again.
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on June 24, 2014, 01:03:32 pm
i thought my account has been compromised...
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Post by: Orca on June 24, 2014, 10:24:53 pm
There we go. OMN up 21%. You guys sleeping and the sun is still up here.
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2014, 10:08:32 am
Why is it up so much Orca?
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on June 25, 2014, 10:17:36 am
Results are out.The PE dropped to 15.5 today,but I don't see a 21% increase.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2014, 10:18:15 am
I think he is talking about time period not just yesterday.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2014, 02:32:21 pm
Gold on the move : )
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2014, 04:30:44 pm
anyone else still getting blank pages?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 25, 2014, 05:37:02 pm
Yes, intermittant. Also need to refresh to log in. I have no idea.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2014, 05:47:05 pm
Mine seems to be fine
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2014, 07:10:03 pm
My first page is always blank.
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2014, 11:03:30 pm
More changes made, any blanks?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 26, 2014, 08:26:06 am
The new "post" sign is now little red x.
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Post by: Patrick on June 26, 2014, 08:44:08 am
Can you right click on the x and select view image, then paste the url for me please.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 26, 2014, 09:43:28 am
it's fixed sorry
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Post by: Moonraker on June 26, 2014, 10:08:44 am
OK, seems 'fixed' on my side as well. Thanks.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 26, 2014, 05:03:38 pm
Who else here will be affected by strike - Numsa :'(  
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Post by: jaDEB on June 26, 2014, 05:10:42 pm
$#@! 88&&& !!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2014, 11:00:33 am
Damn this site is getting lonesome
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Post by: Nivek on June 27, 2014, 11:49:32 am
Ek is hier
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Post by: Patrick on June 27, 2014, 12:05:19 pm
Maybe I should see if I can republish one of my blogs on moneyweb, and try get some interest. Which one would you suggest?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2014, 02:10:08 pm
Write a new 1 :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2014, 02:11:05 pm
Base it on my buy high sell low Philosophy
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Post by: gcr on June 27, 2014, 02:50:58 pm
JaDEB - maybe you should write an article as to how you managed to go from the top of the tree down to position 321 in the shortest space in time, com'n its got to something more significant than just buying high and selling low - there has got to be class in there somewhere - so be a good chap and share your model 8)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2014, 03:07:27 pm
it is not a article, just a word, stupidity
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2014, 03:17:17 pm
But I am working on it .. ;'(
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2014, 06:13:07 pm
Been too busy to post lately. Will try and up it a bit.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 27, 2014, 06:44:16 pm
JaDeb - check Moneyweb link re. Aspen posted in sandbox.
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2014, 10:36:49 pm
Watch EOH carry on with the momentum for some time irrespective of its high PE.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 30, 2014, 08:40:29 am
JaDEB, see SENS for APN. Not as bad as it seems.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2014, 08:47:33 am
Yip, :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 30, 2014, 11:19:17 am
Morning everyne... So what to write about this month? Maybe how much home owership sucks. R97k worth of damp repairs needed on my place :(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2014, 11:51:27 am
Your house could have been in Christchurch.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2014, 06:31:28 pm
Patrick, check POY profit warning
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Post by: Moonraker on June 30, 2014, 06:40:47 pm
More on Aspen in sandbox.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2014, 07:40:52 pm
Thks Mr Bond
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2014, 07:59:41 pm
Check out gold .. :)
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Post by: Orca on June 30, 2014, 10:14:06 pm
Ja. My posts are after hours as you guys are sleeping down there in SA and we are on the beach.
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Post by: Orca on June 30, 2014, 10:15:41 pm
In the sun at your 22.00 hrs. This sucks.
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2014, 09:32:52 am
money is in, glad that worked phew...
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Post by: jaDEB on July 01, 2014, 10:10:52 am
Patrick u have POY ?
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2014, 10:20:39 am
I had in the game, but I sold it. In real life I have CML and STXIND
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Post by: jaDEB on July 01, 2014, 10:38:56 am
Chicken :)
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on July 01, 2014, 11:59:33 am
CORONATION FUND MNGRS LD reminds me of an Unstable GF. todays shes happy , tomorrow is is mad and you dont even know the reason why she mad.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 01, 2014, 12:09:44 pm
lol
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Post by: Nivek on July 01, 2014, 02:36:24 pm
Yes but those girlfriends are always the most fun!
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Post by: matiespero on July 01, 2014, 03:17:06 pm
If you what to ride a propper rollar coaster buy GFI!
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Post by: jakes147 on July 01, 2014, 09:40:50 pm
Poy
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Post by: Drummer on July 02, 2014, 12:53:26 pm
pinnacle
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Post by: dineshg on July 02, 2014, 01:25:46 pm
newgold
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Post by: Nivek on July 02, 2014, 03:27:19 pm
Looks like this chat has been confused for a search bar!
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Post by: Luna on July 02, 2014, 03:37:54 pm
lol
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Post by: jaDEB on July 02, 2014, 05:11:15 pm
lol was think same, or a suggestion box
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Post by: jaDEB on July 02, 2014, 05:14:23 pm
Maybe if you type your share here, the price will go up. True Patrick ?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 02, 2014, 05:14:52 pm
Sibanye & Aspen .. :)
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Post by: gcr on July 03, 2014, 10:49:49 am
Patrick - KST PSG Konsult does not appear to be on your list of shares that can be purchased - can you please include Ta
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Post by: Patrick on July 03, 2014, 01:49:06 pm
I'll have to check if it meets the tradeability requirements. If not, and others agree I can still add it, but make it so it can't be sold.
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Post by: gcr on July 03, 2014, 02:02:56 pm
Patrick not sure what your response means
This was an otc operation and PSG brought it to market as the JSE was/is terminating all otc share dealings. Its is 62% PSG Financial Services held which is a sub of PSG Holdings
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Post by: Luna on July 03, 2014, 02:16:25 pm
I'll have to check if it meets the tradeability requirements. If not, and others agree I can still add it, but make it so it can't be sold.

Awwwwww  :'( I'm sure it will meet "tradeability requirements".   O:-)
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Post by: Luna on July 03, 2014, 02:17:10 pm
Awwwwww  :'( I'm sure it will meet "tradeability requirements".   O:-)
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Post by: Patrick on July 03, 2014, 08:28:15 pm
Ah sorry GCR, my mistake, I thought it was an infrequently traded share, I see it's new. I'll see if I can find it on my pricing stream.
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2014, 04:26:58 pm
If you're with FNB you'll want to check your statement on 3 July. I got hit with a double transaction, seems thousands of others did too.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2014, 09:44:09 am
ABL up 14%
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2014, 10:50:51 am
Ag no - I am talking to myself No point of posting anymore sorry
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Post by: jakes147 on July 07, 2014, 11:30:07 am
18.87
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Post by: Awtron on July 07, 2014, 12:22:44 pm
WEZ also up nicely
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Post by: Nivek on July 07, 2014, 12:59:21 pm
WTH is going on with ABL?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2014, 01:36:57 pm
Cautionary from ABL - Selling Ellerine
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Post by: Patrick on July 07, 2014, 02:47:34 pm
Well that'll give them some cash flow, but how will it help them turn a profit?
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Post by: Firepool on July 07, 2014, 03:26:27 pm
Smiling ...
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2014, 03:32:03 pm
R225,533,323 ABL Traded
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Post by: Awtron on July 07, 2014, 04:19:29 pm
shoulda sold wez too
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Post by: Patrick on July 07, 2014, 06:38:32 pm
well played firepool!
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Post by: Orca on July 07, 2014, 10:29:40 pm
My CML is gone. STXIND is too high. Now what?
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2014, 09:59:00 am
@orca if you're looking for an ETF how about RMBMID? http://shareforum.co.za/shares/rmb-midcap-etf/
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Post by: Orca on July 08, 2014, 09:11:46 pm
RMBMID does 10% less than STXIND so will wait for correction.
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Post by: Firepool on July 09, 2014, 06:33:39 pm
Thanks Patrick! Zero skill. 100% luck.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2014, 11:08:09 am
Gold on the move :)
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Post by: Nivek on July 10, 2014, 11:59:52 am
Have you got gold jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2014, 12:01:33 pm
Yes SGL
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 09:11:01 am
Satrix dividends declared...
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 09:51:49 am
I want to add the dividends for Satrix but I'm not sure exactly which dividend to use. The previous time it was declared as "An aggregate amount of 14.06000 cents (R0.14060) per Satrix Indi security for 28 March 2014" but Patrick only added "6.12166" as the dividend from which tax should be calculated. I think this is incorrect, if the local only dividend were used it should have been "7.20195" because "6.12166" is the dividend with tax already withdrawn? Also, according to ETFSA the dividend was 14.06000 cents from which tax should then be withdrawn. So isn't March 2014 dividends incorrect? Now, should we use the local dividend or the other one?

For June 2014, it should be:
"27.77000 cents" for "Satrix FINI" or "18.19784" if only local dividend
"10.27000 cents" for "Satrix RES" (only local dividend)
"25.20000 cents" for "Satrix INDI" (only local dividend)
"27.94000 cents" for "Satrix 40" or "21.77675" if only local dividend
"8.46000 cents" for "Satrix SWIX Top 40" or "7.19529" if only local dividend
"2.87000 cents" for "Satrix DIVI" or "2.81534" if only local dividend

For March 2014, it should be:
"0.0 cents" for "Satrix FINI" or "0.0" if only local dividend
"67.13000 cents" for "Satrix RES" or "0.98955" if only local dividend
"14.06000 cents" for "Satrix INDI" or "7.20195" if only local dividend
"20.84000 cents" for "Satrix 40" or "3.08358" if only local dividend
"3.36000 cents" for "Satrix SWIX Top 40" or "0.89595" if only local dividend
"1.77000 cents" for "Satrix DIVI" or "1.57603" if only local dividend

I dono, just confirm...
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2014, 01:12:43 pm
You should add the complete local dividend including tax, the system will then take off the 15%. I may have made a mistake earlier...
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 01:25:23 pm
Uhh something is broken, Aquarius platinum was bought by various people NazzoP and Itut. The didn't have the money for this buy and have negative cash on hand? What is going on? AQP at a price of R2.41?
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 01:26:45 pm
lol and it keeps on going
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2014, 01:45:39 pm
yeah im making things worse! I'll et to the bottom of it soon.
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 01:51:30 pm
Hihi
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2014, 02:18:11 pm
Ok now the rights issue has been exercised.  So their holdings are right. The fact that they're in the negative is pretty unavoidable as we always force a holdings option to be taken... It has made the leaderboard a little weird though... How to solve???
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2014, 02:21:56 pm
Nope got my dates screwed. Let's try again...
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2014, 02:31:04 pm
Ok, all rolled back. I'll do the rights issue againwhen I'm concentrating more!
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 02:33:01 pm
Link to this rights issue?
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Post by: Shi on July 11, 2014, 02:53:52 pm
Link to this rights issue?

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/mining/2014/04/23/aquarius-share-price-reflects-rights-issue ... was done a while back but not applied here
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Post by: Luna on July 11, 2014, 03:03:38 pm
cool thx
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Post by: Peter01 on July 15, 2014, 07:49:21 pm
Hi could someone please assist me.. When a company declares a dividend in July 2014 and the last day to trade is recorded as 8 Aug 2014 could i then purchase the stock before or on 8 Aug and still recieve the dividend?
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Post by: Patrick on July 15, 2014, 09:15:31 pm
You need to own the shares at close on the LDT. Usually a friday on the JSE.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2014, 08:14:10 am
Last Day to Trade - LDT
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Post by: Luna on July 16, 2014, 08:34:20 am
Also, just remember that the stock will usually drop in price by the amount of the expected dividend on the ex-dividend date... So if the LDT is on a friday, the monday thereafter will most probably be the Ex-div date.
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Post by: Peter01 on July 16, 2014, 09:41:37 am
Ok Thank you, will keep in mind. Could I then sell again on the Monday? So technically keeping it for one day
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Post by: Luna on July 16, 2014, 09:54:25 am
yes
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Post by: Peter01 on July 16, 2014, 11:39:30 am
Thank you Luna. Just as last question will I be entitled to the full dividend or pro rata based on the time I held the share?
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Post by: Luna on July 16, 2014, 11:45:53 am
full dividend
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Post by: Peter01 on July 16, 2014, 03:00:48 pm
a follow up question on this would be if say that I have a CFD on a share and is exposed at say R10000 worth  of shares but in fact only hold a R1000 of shares, do I receive dividends on the geared amount of shares?
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Post by: Orca on July 16, 2014, 10:19:32 pm
Hyping up MTA and OMN. The next beauts in my portfolio.  Please comply.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 17, 2014, 10:12:18 am
repo rate will go up by ¼ %   :) {imho}
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Post by: gcr on July 17, 2014, 11:20:53 am
Repo rate will be kept at current levels - the noises made will just be a bit more hawkish
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Post by: Peter01 on July 17, 2014, 02:00:25 pm
This there any share with a LTD tommorow?
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Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2014, 03:03:06 pm
Read here: http://shareforum.co.za/shares/ldt/
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Post by: Peter01 on July 17, 2014, 03:10:43 pm
Very nice thanks
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 17, 2014, 03:15:44 pm
For tomorrow:

AER (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
AME (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
CRW (TE / LDT)   Termination: JSE and/Or Company Initiated
DON (TE / LDT)   Termination: JSE and/Or Company Initiated
EPS (CO / LDT)   Consolidation
EPS (SD / LDT)   Subdivision
FMC (NC / LDT)   Name Change
GDN (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
ILRP1 (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
NPKP (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
NPP1 (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
RNG (IS / LDT)   Special Dividend
SNV (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
STXDIV (CD / Pay Date)   Cash Dividend
STXIND (CD / Pay Date)   Cash Dividend
STXRAF (CD / LDT)   Cash Dividend
STXRES (IT / Pay Date)   Interest Payment
STXSWX (CD / Pay Date)   Cash Dividend
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Post by: jaDEB on July 17, 2014, 06:04:04 pm
Gold :)
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Post by: Peter01 on July 18, 2014, 12:55:02 pm
I see Alexander Forbes had its IPO, when could we start trading in its shares?
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Post by: Shi on July 18, 2014, 03:06:11 pm
I see Alexander Forbes had its IPO, when could we start trading in its shares?
The settlement date and expected listing date of Alexander Forbes, subject to achieving a spread of
shareholders acceptable to the securities exchange operated by the JSE Limited, is expected to be
Thursday, 24 July 2014 (the “Listing Date” or “Settlement Date”). Any change in that date will be announced
on SENS.

Based on a total of 1,302,356,263 Alexander Forbes ordinary no par value shares outstanding at the
Settlement Date, the Offer Price implies a total market capitalisation of R9,768 million for Alexander Forbes.
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Post by: Peter01 on July 19, 2014, 05:23:16 pm
Thanks Shi, what would thi them mean for the current preferance share holders? Would it be a good idea to buy into the pref shares?
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Post by: Sally on July 21, 2014, 01:40:38 pm
sally
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Post by: Shi on July 21, 2014, 09:12:23 pm
Not sure Peter01, I'm not familiar with them.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 23, 2014, 04:43:32 pm
I'm starting to get a real creepy feeling from one of my 2014 favourites (SHF)
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Post by: Patrick on July 23, 2014, 04:57:14 pm
What happened to SHF last year that it had such a big jump up?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 23, 2014, 05:26:56 pm
I think it was a process, i.e. acquiring Conforama (French furniture retailer) in March 2011 (height of Euro crisis and anticipated collapse which didn’t happen), now they had network of 200 stores in Switzerland, Portugal, Spain, Luxembourg, Croatia.  Also acquired Leiner Group (Austria, Central & Eastern Europe).  They spread their wings when there was blood in the streets and it paid off this time, the Euro listing also helped but only happened cause of the new Euro footprint. Europe could have just as well went south (lol, then being Africa), it would have been different story altogether.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 23, 2014, 05:30:23 pm
I see you're playing around with fb, Patrick, how will this work?
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2014, 08:13:33 am
Yes, it should make registration really quick. You can also link your FB account to your current forum account. Hopefully this would encourage the many browsers to sign in and post!
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 24, 2014, 09:54:18 am
Does this mean that if linked forum members will be able to access my fb acc?
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Post by: Luna on July 24, 2014, 09:54:31 am
Alexander Forbes (AFH) not in the list to buy?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 24, 2014, 10:30:52 am
AFH opening price 8.10, high 8.60, currently 8.55 @ 10:05am 20 mil shares traded.
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Post by: che on July 24, 2014, 03:08:23 pm
invicta
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2014, 03:24:18 pm
No, it only uses facebook for authentication, it won't show people on the forum who you are on FB.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 24, 2014, 03:27:44 pm
Tx P
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 24, 2014, 03:27:58 pm
#MH370 : missing 08/03 #MH17 : shot down 17/07 #GE222 : crashed 23/07 #AH5017 : crashed 24/07
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Post by: Patrick on July 25, 2014, 08:52:57 am
It's crazy, I've got some flights coming up soon that I'm not so keen on right now...
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 25, 2014, 09:32:16 am
Logged in via fb, it works fine
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Post by: Patrick on July 25, 2014, 09:39:01 am
Thanks for letting me know MP.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 25, 2014, 10:05:38 am
;-)
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Post by: Peter01 on July 25, 2014, 11:54:18 am
Hi Guys: Lets start a CFD of the day topic? would anyone be interested?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 25, 2014, 02:59:36 pm
I do not do CFD's but I will read it to learn...  :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 28, 2014, 08:39:03 am
@ Peter01:  Try it P01, although most members here prefer it only to watch. ;D
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2014, 10:09:25 am
SGL recovering a bit..hiding on friday :(
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2014, 03:15:28 pm
Strike over ?   :) :)
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Post by: Nivek on July 28, 2014, 03:38:24 pm
Which strike? Metalworkers? I though SGL was doing a dead cat bounce.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2014, 04:04:57 pm
Metalworkers
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 08:43:27 am
Can KIO climb more?
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 08:43:48 am
Has been a very nice ride
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2014, 08:52:46 am
What did u buy it at?
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 08:58:10 am
R 350 :)
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 09:04:44 am
Some speculate that it will go as far as R400? any thoughts?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2014, 09:06:50 am
look if thread is below. or start 1. many factors. Rand, commodities so on so on
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 10:16:02 am
Not so good start for the day
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Post by: Patrick on July 30, 2014, 10:30:36 am
how long are you planning on holding peter?
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 10:35:25 am
That a good quesiton. Really dont know maybe should get out now and not to to greedy??
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 30, 2014, 02:27:38 pm
Re KIO: As jaDEB said, various outside factors(China growth, commodity price, forex and iron ore not in short supply) which adds an extra layer to this one, but – an there is always a but, it has a nice dividend yield, think in the range of 10%.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 30, 2014, 02:32:13 pm
Forgot to mention, last div was 22/7/14
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Post by: Moonraker on July 30, 2014, 03:12:49 pm
Mboweni says SA should buy bank to boost development
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/mboweni-says-south-africa-should-buy-bank-to-boost
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2014, 03:45:27 pm
Just read it also. maybe that is why ABL is so cheap lol
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 04:02:30 pm
Do any one here trade in SSF's?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2014, 04:57:28 pm
Not me
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Post by: Peter01 on July 30, 2014, 08:31:12 pm
what do you trade jaDEB? to much red for me today
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2014, 07:13:21 am
Just shares. Port is 100 % 1 share..
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2014, 08:43:17 am
SGL results out
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2014, 08:58:09 am
kk jaDEB
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Post by: Nivek on July 31, 2014, 09:10:44 am
Brave strategy jaDEB, how's it working for you?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2014, 09:18:04 am
Thrilling - lol -
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Post by: Patrick on July 31, 2014, 03:01:21 pm
How about a thread showing annual returnds as a %? I'm happy to share...
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Post by: Peter01 on July 31, 2014, 04:32:02 pm
Good idea ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2014, 07:29:33 am
Good Idea. will make me cry, but good idea
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2014, 07:41:17 am
My buy high sell low is still Pertinent
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Post by: Peter01 on August 01, 2014, 08:22:55 am
Ill make you all feel beter dont warry
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Post by: Luna on August 01, 2014, 08:46:29 am
Hoping to get R1m net worth after tax in the comp today :P
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2014, 10:21:56 am
I is trying to get to last place...
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Post by: Luna on August 01, 2014, 10:44:45 am
lol. I've been following your progress
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Post by: Patrick on August 01, 2014, 10:48:18 am
I don't know what to write about this month :(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2014, 11:03:51 am
Write about 1st Place and Last place's shares ?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2014, 11:06:17 am
Darkside comp starts today as well :)
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on August 01, 2014, 01:46:01 pm
Ching$ Ching$
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Post by: Patrick on August 01, 2014, 01:52:06 pm
What made you by Mr Price?
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 01, 2014, 02:16:42 pm
Hallo Patric, a sugestion for this month's article is " how to plan your share buy's" - Remember a lot is cyclical. Shopkeeper
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Post by: gcr on August 01, 2014, 03:11:00 pm
What made you by Mr Price?
Not sure who this addressed to but I also bought Mr Price today - about R 64,000 worth - one of the few shares that is bullet proof at the moment
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Post by: Itut on August 04, 2014, 01:46:29 pm
telkom
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Post by: Luna on August 04, 2014, 02:15:46 pm
Patrick, I think people are using the live chat in the "buy shares" tab to search :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 04, 2014, 03:46:39 pm
Yes, and your competition is also broken :(
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Post by: Luna on August 04, 2014, 04:10:18 pm
lol why?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 04, 2014, 04:55:36 pm
I is 1st on the darkside, and in this comp nearly last :(
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Post by: Luna on August 04, 2014, 05:12:43 pm
darkside?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 04, 2014, 05:19:17 pm
Other website we do not mention, they treated us like cr@p. Hence Patrick created this site
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Post by: Patrick on August 04, 2014, 05:54:57 pm
what's broken with the competition?
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 04, 2014, 08:05:29 pm
@P:  I dunno, maybe strategies, dreams, wishes, you pick. ;-0
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Post by: jaDEB on August 04, 2014, 08:39:01 pm
@P: Like MP says strategies dreams wishes... :( I am nearly last.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 05, 2014, 10:12:34 am
Luna u No1.... nice
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 10:22:18 am
Trying to keep in front of the Telkom investors :o
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 10:23:52 am
I'm constantly wishing that Telkom would go down :D
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Post by: jaDEB on August 05, 2014, 11:04:02 am
u want to buy ?
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Post by: Peter01 on August 05, 2014, 11:09:10 am
what do you guy think about JBL? they released some good results and looks to return to profitability..
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 11:17:24 am
lol no, anything government touches, I leave alone.
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 11:18:25 am
Thats for Telkom... not JBL... No comment on JBL.
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Post by: Peter01 on August 05, 2014, 11:23:11 am
Lol anyone else on JBL?
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Post by: Peter01 on August 05, 2014, 11:23:41 am
Well telkom up 5% today :)
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 11:29:22 am
Jip I know :/
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Post by: Peter01 on August 05, 2014, 11:31:34 am
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 05, 2014, 12:48:49 pm
...that was a scary long tremor :-0
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 01:03:58 pm
jip :o
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Post by: 6x9base13 on August 05, 2014, 01:27:32 pm
BCX
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Post by: Patrick on August 05, 2014, 01:34:21 pm
Yeah we were told to evacuate the office.
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Post by: gcr on August 05, 2014, 02:05:24 pm
Yeah we were told to evacuate the office.
Too late - if it had been a big one ;)
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Post by: Motown Capital on August 05, 2014, 03:01:03 pm
In primary school my geography teacher told me South Afrika doesn't have to worry about earthquakes cos we're not sitting on any active fault lines...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 05, 2014, 05:11:20 pm
Not a tremor, Patrick dropped his payslip.
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Post by: Luna on August 05, 2014, 05:13:14 pm
:D
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on August 05, 2014, 05:18:46 pm
wow this tremor.. just dropped my share price.LOL
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:24:21 am
African Bank -30% :0
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:25:09 am
-35%
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:28:16 am
Make that -50%
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:28:27 am
Lol, sorry for the guys invested in this.
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Post by: Peter01 on August 06, 2014, 09:30:29 am
Time to buy?
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:30:50 am
Maybe
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:31:35 am
Sold all my ABL shares yesterday :) thank goodness
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Post by: Peter01 on August 06, 2014, 09:32:55 am
lol nice
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Post by: Peter01 on August 06, 2014, 09:33:17 am
let buy some now? or is this one done?
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:36:51 am
This company is a gamble :P
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 09:41:22 am
Now I am last in both comp :';(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 09:48:07 am
@ Luna - Real shares or Comp - ABL ?
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:51:41 am
no just comp. Wouldn't touch this with real money
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 09:53:09 am
I nearly did buy it ... luckily not
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 09:53:24 am
with real money..
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 09:56:21 am
I don't even want to imagine having a -60% loss :O
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 10:40:30 am
ABL trading suspended ?
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Post by: 100ways on August 06, 2014, 10:43:48 am
Just bought in at 319cps
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 10:45:45 am
@100ways - Nice ... good luck ... :) b@lls of steel, but I think u gonna coin it...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 10:49:14 am
R u gonna sell if it spikes or keeping it?
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Post by: 100ways on August 06, 2014, 10:54:46 am
If it does spike will sell out...  ???
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 10:58:42 am
Think it will fall further
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 10:59:18 am
Quick money makers already in and out...
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Post by: Shi on August 06, 2014, 11:57:15 am
For comp ... thinking of going all in with ABL ... I'm far down the leaderboard so why not  :-[
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 06, 2014, 12:11:24 pm
...hehe, go for it Shi. We'll cheer you from the sides.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 12:18:41 pm
my buy high sell low philosophy does not allow me to do it
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 12:23:13 pm
You think SGL will hold to that philosophy as well since you are 90% in it?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 01:25:48 pm
Yes, the darkside comp I had 40% ABL, was in lead yesterday now down far :'(. Have SGL also in real portfolio.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 02:21:11 pm
Gold :) 1296
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Post by: matiespero on August 06, 2014, 02:27:57 pm
Why wount AIP fall properly?????????? i want it @ R40
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Post by: Moonraker on August 06, 2014, 02:30:44 pm
Blood. German factory orders down mainly due to Ukraine fears, Italy back in recession
plus US interest rate increase concerns, to name some.
Putin is @$$$hole.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2014, 03:15:18 pm
Hey Mr Bond, u back from mission :)   Gold 1305 :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 06, 2014, 03:39:23 pm
Yeah looking a tad red out there today...
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Post by: Luna on August 06, 2014, 03:52:07 pm
lol for a trader this feels like a mine field... trying to jump from one safe spot to the next.
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Post by: Chadb on August 06, 2014, 10:45:46 pm
Closing in on the 1mil mark, Luma you not too far away ;)
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 08:53:54 am
lol I'm hoping that Telkom would go down :P It's challenge to stay ahead.
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 08:55:28 am
And.... for Vodacom to go up :P
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Post by: jaDEB on August 07, 2014, 11:13:00 am
Wow ABL :'(  Bought Small amount @ R1  :)
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 11:14:06 am
Yeah now at 60c
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 11:15:15 am
Wondering what will happen now? Any info from the holding companies or bond holders would be nice.
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 11:17:15 am
How will this affect CML?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 07, 2014, 11:25:06 am
32c wth
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Post by: jaDEB on August 07, 2014, 11:27:00 am
Must say, was ver close to buying @ R6. WOuld have lost all my money...dodged a bullet
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 11:35:08 am
ABL out of the buy shares table?
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2014, 11:51:22 am
Ha yes. it's trading under R1 so it gets excluded!!!!
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 11:52:46 am
Meh :P
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2014, 11:54:57 am
sadly it's taking cml down a chunk too...
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 12:20:48 pm
now at 95c
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 12:21:11 pm
Will it automatically come back in the "buy shares" list if it goes above R1?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 07, 2014, 12:21:14 pm
Back @ 95c :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2014, 01:15:38 pm
@Luna yes
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Post by: The Investor on August 07, 2014, 01:19:33 pm
1st place!!! Hooray!!
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 01:20:01 pm
@ Patrick Ok nice to know.
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 01:20:25 pm
Hehe congrats :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2014, 01:21:03 pm
:) Well done! What did you know about Telkom that the rest of us missed?
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Post by: The Investor on August 07, 2014, 01:26:11 pm
Hehe...can't reveal my secrets :) Don't think it is if you listen to a certain radio station at around 18:00 every day...lol Really enjoying the game - thank you. Going to savor this moment while it lasts :)
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Post by: The Investor on August 07, 2014, 01:54:30 pm
Not cool Luna! lol
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 07, 2014, 03:14:29 pm
SA business confidence at 15-year low
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Post by: The Investor on August 07, 2014, 03:47:25 pm
yeah...back at no 1...lol
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Post by: Luna on August 07, 2014, 04:07:10 pm
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 07, 2014, 04:31:59 pm
Ellerine applies for 'rescue'
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Post by: The Investor on August 07, 2014, 06:24:25 pm
Youre back at the top Luna - well done! :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2014, 08:28:06 am
Gold @ 1321 :) - good luck to all that bought ABL yesterday.
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 09:06:10 am
Well, I guess, if you can start from the bottom after being 100% in ABL and move your way to the top... that would be an achievement :)
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Post by: Shi on August 08, 2014, 11:35:13 am
Gold @ 1321 :) - good luck to all that bought ABL yesterday.

Don't think any1 could as it was not in the list cause it was under 100c
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Post by: Patrick on August 08, 2014, 11:47:01 am
I think he means in reality...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2014, 11:59:32 am
Yip, mean in reality.
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Post by: Shi on August 08, 2014, 12:43:32 pm
Yip, mean in reality.

Noted. Very risky.
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Post by: Ombre on August 08, 2014, 01:38:52 pm
abl
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2014, 02:10:00 pm
Teeny amount R3k :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2014, 02:17:03 pm
Amount of ABL shares trading is unbelievable.
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 03:25:28 pm
PNC still on downward spiral...Another ABL/
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 04:37:59 pm
Telkom Retirement Of Director pending a disciplinary process
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 04:39:04 pm
Telkom shares tanked a bit
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 04:39:59 pm
Sorry "disciplinary process" discontinued
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 04:42:34 pm
the new director?
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Post by: gcr on August 08, 2014, 04:45:05 pm
I tried to post yesterday but as I have a sh.t.y Telkom noisy line I couldn't and my internet is running like a horse and cart instead of a Ferrari.
I scrolled through a few peoples portfolios and was curious to find that some competitors have negative numbers of shares in their portfolio
Another curiosity is that Lunar has made about R 250,000 with sale of shares but has costs and fees of some R 113,000 yet his portfolio value is still over a million. Are fees not added/deducted from each trade one makes when buying/selling shares as is the case with conventional buying/selling through a broker
Just curious as to the mechanics of things
 
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 04:45:45 pm
Lol I dono... just saw something about it in a SENS.
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 04:47:51 pm
Lol I've been Luma and now Lunar :P
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 04:49:56 pm
ok see it
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 04:50:12 pm
RETIREMENT OF DIRECTOR
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 04:50:59 pm
yah luna how did you do it? pray do tell
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 04:51:26 pm
what's your strategy :P
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Post by: Luna on August 08, 2014, 05:04:12 pm
Pinnacle almost -25%
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 05:10:18 pm
PNC HEPS decline between 15% and 20%
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 05:10:37 pm
no wonder it's tanking further
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Post by: Nios on August 08, 2014, 05:11:22 pm
there's why that director was bribing the cops for that big deal
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Post by: Moonraker on August 10, 2014, 02:03:50 pm
The South African Reserve Bank (SARB) will hold a press conference today (Sunday, 10 August) at 16:00 to announce measures to be taken with regard to African Bank Limited.  The press conference will take place at the SARB Conference Centre in Pretoria.
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Post by: attuu on August 10, 2014, 03:47:57 pm
What are they going to do then?
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Post by: attuu on August 10, 2014, 03:49:15 pm
Really don't want abil to bust
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Post by: Moonraker on August 10, 2014, 05:16:31 pm
Split into good bank/bad bank - See http://www.fin24.com/
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Post by: Luna on August 11, 2014, 08:37:16 am
Suspension Of All Abil And African Bank Securities On The Exchange Operated By The Jse
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Post by: Nivek on August 11, 2014, 10:19:17 am
So now the government is getting into banking???
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Post by: Motown Capital on August 11, 2014, 10:59:39 am
It's not the government per se, it's the Reserve Bank.  Why is that a bad thing? It's done in the US and Europe...
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Post by: Hingsding on August 12, 2014, 10:25:36 am
kumba
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Post by: Hingsding on August 12, 2014, 10:29:27 am
shoprite
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Post by: Orca on August 12, 2014, 12:02:52 pm
CIL
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Post by: jaDEB on August 12, 2014, 12:42:36 pm
Hello Orca ... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 12, 2014, 02:34:26 pm
Gold : )
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Post by: Orca on August 12, 2014, 04:29:52 pm
Hi jaDEB. at home today due to rain.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 12, 2014, 05:47:43 pm
Mr Bond, why is NPN on PE of 90 ?
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Post by: Moonraker on August 13, 2014, 08:32:40 am
Yup, high, high, high. Earnings need to catch up some. Market thinks they will.
So future expectations. Priced for perfection.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 13, 2014, 08:45:49 am
:) Thanks
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Post by: Moonraker on August 13, 2014, 09:01:30 am
@Orca. 1½ months - then friggin cold in N.Portugal..
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Post by: Moonraker on August 13, 2014, 09:02:08 am
..and you know what they say: "The cold is a bad lover"
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Post by: Moonraker on August 13, 2014, 09:10:21 am
Fitch cuts Naspers debt to junk. http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-equity/fitch-cuts-naspers-to-junk
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Post by: Orca on August 13, 2014, 11:23:39 am
 Not unexpected.
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 13, 2014, 01:24:08 pm
 SA Retail Sales (YoY) came in at 0.0%, expected 2.0%, previous 2.6%.
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Post by: Luna on August 13, 2014, 02:19:53 pm
Metair not doing too bad lately
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Post by: Luna on August 13, 2014, 02:21:40 pm
Currently 50% in it for the game :P waiting for results
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Post by: Patrick on August 13, 2014, 02:57:40 pm
So it's Metair vs Telkom then for the lead...
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Post by: Orca on August 13, 2014, 07:14:01 pm
At last, there goes my beaut.
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Post by: Luna on August 13, 2014, 07:18:54 pm
You saw the SENS?
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Post by: Orca on August 14, 2014, 01:56:22 pm
Wasn't expecting it. Results out in a few days. Time to add.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 16, 2014, 03:44:10 pm
African Banksters. Chk. thread 'African Bank'.
Link courtesy 'The Dangeruss' (aka 'The Darkside').
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2014, 10:40:17 am
Thanks Mr Bond
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2014, 10:43:39 am
Did it from my Tablet tappatalk... :) next is my standard 6 lower grade :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 18, 2014, 09:03:24 am
capitec down grade ? wonder what will happen
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Post by: Patrick on August 19, 2014, 04:09:46 pm
Quiet here after the abil fireworks of late...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 19, 2014, 04:45:37 pm
Ya ..  :(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 19, 2014, 06:00:52 pm
And none of the Pro's saw all the bank being downgraded after ABL - and they own the Yachts in CT? See FNB also
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Post by: Patrick on August 20, 2014, 09:20:14 am
So time to start thinking about a new topic for a blog post...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 20, 2014, 10:10:02 am
Write about offers like red penny shares monthly sub for advice. Is it worth it or scam
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Post by: jaDEB on August 20, 2014, 10:54:39 am
Any1 have NPN ?
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Post by: Orca on August 20, 2014, 01:04:45 pm
Do you mean Red Hot Penny Shares that Jeff Black managed?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 20, 2014, 03:53:25 pm
Yes and Others
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Post by: Orca on August 20, 2014, 09:01:51 pm
Yeah. Read my post below.
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Post by: Orca on August 20, 2014, 09:04:43 pm
Sold R150k of my PNC just before it shot up by 19%. Sniff.
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Post by: Retry on August 21, 2014, 10:46:37 am
I am going to break the 40% barrier...come on! lol
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 21, 2014, 11:55:13 am
Rating agency S&P confirmed they will not downgrade SA banks, as Moody's did recently.  Banking outlook stable.
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Post by: Hstig on August 22, 2014, 11:03:00 am
GFI dividend 20c per share
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2014, 04:09:51 pm
PNC :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 25, 2014, 04:44:05 pm
How hard is Orca kicking himself for selling...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2014, 04:53:07 pm
R u sure he sold ? Damn we should have bought at bottom, but how do u know...!!
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Post by: Patrick on August 25, 2014, 05:19:37 pm
Sold R150k of my PNC just before it shot up by 19%. Sniff.
A few posts back...
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Post by: Nios on August 26, 2014, 07:32:44 am
predictions on pnc close today
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2014, 09:00:12 am
my predictions suck..see graph
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Post by: Shi on August 26, 2014, 10:10:22 am
I'd be happy with 1500c. A steady move up to about 1800c (in about a week) and I'm out.
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Post by: Orca on August 26, 2014, 04:22:59 pm
My broker's Fair Value is R18.00
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Post by: Orca on August 26, 2014, 04:31:47 pm
Sold PNC at R6.99 :-(
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Post by: member2204 on August 26, 2014, 05:09:01 pm
ellies
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2014, 05:10:51 pm
Where is MoneyPenny ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 26, 2014, 05:40:22 pm
I'm here jaDEB, just busy, looking in now and then, be back next wk. ;-)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2014, 05:48:53 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2014, 05:56:02 pm
PNC not shooting out the lights
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Post by: jaDEB on August 27, 2014, 08:14:13 am
Having a "Lee Evans" moment :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 28, 2014, 08:05:52 am
ASC is added to the challenge.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 28, 2014, 08:56:51 am
My RES div. in comp should be 168,35cpu. But don't worry.
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Post by: Patrick on August 28, 2014, 11:10:23 am
Was it paid incorrectly or not at all Moonraker? If it was missed it can still be added and will be paid.
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Post by: Peter01 on August 28, 2014, 11:20:25 am
KIO very low today what who will long this one?
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Post by: Luna on August 28, 2014, 11:22:24 am
RES paid 143.10 c per share which is 168.36 c per share minus 15% taxes. This makes it correct.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 28, 2014, 12:46:29 pm
@Luna - No there is no withholding tax on locally registered REITS
See also http://data.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb/sharedata/scripts/sens.asp?id=236140
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Post by: Luna on August 28, 2014, 12:55:37 pm
Yeah, saw the "tax treatment" SENS afterwards and didn't reply back. :)
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Post by: Orca on August 28, 2014, 04:05:42 pm
ADI up 9% :-)
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Post by: Nivek on August 29, 2014, 11:05:01 am
What's the reason ORCA?
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Post by: Moonraker on August 29, 2014, 12:26:32 pm
APN trading update on SENS. It's better than I thought. :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 29, 2014, 01:34:17 pm
Aspen has been a favourite of mine for some time, but I don't have apart from in the indi. Do you have?
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Post by: Moonraker on August 29, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
Yes I have :)
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Post by: Orca on August 29, 2014, 04:47:53 pm
 ;D
What's the reason ORCA?
[/“The latest financial projections for… indicates that the 2015 and 2016 profit warranties will be achieved”.]
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Post by: The Investor on September 01, 2014, 08:50:54 pm
Why does Luna have a 14 day delay on his/hers current standings?
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2014, 09:06:12 am
@The investor. It's an option anyone can choose in your holdings page.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2014, 11:07:53 am
With my buy high sold low policy I have nothing to hide...
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Post by: Luna on September 02, 2014, 11:09:35 am
:D
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 02, 2014, 11:14:41 am
You should try shorting jaDEB, seems you can spot them well. :-)
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Post by: The Investor on September 02, 2014, 01:08:06 pm
Thanks Patrick!
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2014, 04:52:47 pm
Gold @ 1263 :'(
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Post by: Chadb on September 02, 2014, 06:21:22 pm
:DDDD
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Post by: Patrick on September 03, 2014, 03:52:46 pm
So a couple of good days on the market and my port. value just reached my end of year target :) Clearly I don't own gold ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 03, 2014, 04:57:17 pm
Pffftttt - just increase your target - u never, ever hit your targets, never......
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2014, 02:42:23 pm
See PNC is down 12%
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2014, 03:10:50 pm
OCE 9% down
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Post by: Nivek on September 06, 2014, 09:37:13 am
Charges back at PNC?
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Post by: Moonraker on September 09, 2014, 10:16:38 am
The shortfall on South Africa's current account widened more than expected to 6.2% of GDP in the second quarter of the year from a shortfall of 4.5% previously, hit by prolonged strikes and lower global demand, the central bank said on Tuesday.
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Post by: gcr on September 09, 2014, 01:19:13 pm
I fear a sovereign downgrade in the not too distant future - the plat mines have said it will take 18 months to get back to where they were just prior to the strikes inflation is in its moor and the rand is heading south towards R 11 again to the dollar. Just waiting for the next big labour event to tip the scales in this country
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Post by: Moonraker on September 09, 2014, 01:25:28 pm
Quickie. 'Defensive shares' - how say in Afrikaans ??
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Post by: Moonraker on September 09, 2014, 02:22:24 pm
Got it, defensiewe aandele.
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Post by: matiespero on September 09, 2014, 03:19:54 pm
whats going on with the banks?
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Post by: MrMafia on September 10, 2014, 10:36:45 am
My cash on hand is 1.5m.  Surely that can
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Post by: MrMafia on September 10, 2014, 10:36:45 am
My cash on hand is 1.5m.  Surely that can
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Post by: MrMafia on September 10, 2014, 10:36:51 am
*can't be right
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Post by: Luna on September 10, 2014, 11:48:21 am
Somehow you managed to sell more FBR Shares than what you had. But did it affect your standing in the leaderboard? :O
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Post by: Patrick on September 10, 2014, 01:04:44 pm
I'll go check it out...
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Post by: Patrick on September 10, 2014, 01:20:06 pm
How does it look now?
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Post by: Luna on September 10, 2014, 01:25:33 pm
What do you guys think about the Telkom share price going up that much since last year May?
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Post by: Moonraker on September 10, 2014, 01:30:33 pm
APN - results confirm the good trading update. Price on the up :)
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Post by: The Investor on September 10, 2014, 02:33:46 pm
@ Luna - I am digging it :)
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Post by: Luna on September 10, 2014, 03:05:40 pm
@The Investor - I believe so....
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Post by: jaDEB on September 10, 2014, 05:01:40 pm
Yip, my buy high, sell low still in place, Sold APN bought NPN :'(
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Post by: Patrick on September 10, 2014, 05:21:13 pm
Thanks for the tip jaDEB. Guess it's time to short NPN  ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 10, 2014, 05:36:43 pm
Sies, Oom is lelik met my ....
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Post by: MrMafia on September 10, 2014, 09:38:47 pm
Thanks for the fix Patrick :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 11, 2014, 11:24:27 am
So is SAB going to be bought?  What does that mean for our beer quality :D
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Post by: jaDEB on September 11, 2014, 12:03:05 pm
Paste link please ..
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Post by: MrMafia on September 11, 2014, 12:53:45 pm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-09/ab-inbev-risks-credit-downgrade-with-sabmiller-deal-fitch-says.html
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Post by: jaDEB on September 11, 2014, 01:00:55 pm
Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2014, 09:13:39 am
From ABSA stockbrokers: Please Note: The JSE is experiencing technical issues this morning and are attending to them as quickly as possible. As a result the opening auction has been delayed until further notice.
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 15, 2014, 09:25:20 am
Europe trading negative
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Post by: MrMafia on September 15, 2014, 09:28:40 am
@patrick, thanks.  I wondered why my shares havent moved at all...
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Post by: Moonraker on September 15, 2014, 09:59:55 am
SAB up 4,9% on LSE ..
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Post by: jaDEB on September 15, 2014, 11:58:50 am
SAB doing better in Greece since Orca moved there :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2014, 12:19:25 pm
:))
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Post by: Moonraker on September 15, 2014, 12:56:04 pm
Intrepid Orca moved from Portugal to Greece within months ! ?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 15, 2014, 01:00:07 pm
Portugal / Greece / African Bank - all look the same to me :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 15, 2014, 01:23:20 pm
Yep.  SAB going up as I suspected :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 15, 2014, 01:23:58 pm
Everything else I have is just spec buy.  But I had faith in SAB :D
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Post by: Moonraker on September 15, 2014, 01:46:50 pm
It's going up because, after the failed Heineken bid, AB InBev takeover more likely.
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Post by: Orca on September 15, 2014, 08:24:10 pm
Ja. The beer here is soo good.
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Post by: MrMafia on September 15, 2014, 08:48:11 pm
Anyone got a link to all JSE listings arranged per sector?
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Post by: MrMafia on September 15, 2014, 08:48:27 pm
Wondering why its so difficult to find this? ... :/
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Post by: Umnotho Investor on September 15, 2014, 09:13:14 pm
anglo
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Post by: Umnotho Investor on September 15, 2014, 09:13:52 pm
its difficult, how to start?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 16, 2014, 08:35:44 am
to start what?
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Post by: Luna on September 16, 2014, 08:45:59 am
JSE sectors: http://196.30.126.229/index/i_sector.htm
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Post by: jaDEB on September 16, 2014, 09:23:21 am
To Start the day ... :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 16, 2014, 09:38:51 am
So what will SAB do today...?
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Post by: MrMafia on September 16, 2014, 09:49:18 am
@Luna you are a champion thank you!
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Post by: MrMafia on September 16, 2014, 09:49:45 am
So clovers financials didnt look great this morn, cant say Im surprised with the drop...
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Post by: jaDEB on September 16, 2014, 12:47:24 pm
Why is Telkom down so much ? Divvie ?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 16, 2014, 04:50:27 pm
jaDEB it is Tuesday as doubts crept in about a turnaround plan that has seen the stock double in value this year
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 16, 2014, 04:53:00 pm
New CFO yesterday?
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Post by: Luna on September 16, 2014, 05:07:59 pm
The fact that it is going up is more surprising than it going down.
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Post by: giggsie on September 16, 2014, 05:11:54 pm
It hink someone is happy they regained the top spot! @Luna
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Post by: Luna on September 16, 2014, 05:13:25 pm
Hehe maybe :P
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Post by: MrMafia on September 16, 2014, 05:13:45 pm
Now that PNC investigation over you think it will climb again?
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Post by: Luna on September 16, 2014, 05:21:43 pm
I think it will go up in the long-term. It will take some time for people to regain confidence in the company. But to be honest, if there was no bribery, the current price might look like a big discount.
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Post by: Luna on September 16, 2014, 05:22:19 pm
No bribery case* (as if it never happened)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 17, 2014, 09:39:29 am
Agree.  Its worth a good look again :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 17, 2014, 09:49:29 am
What is so great about EOH?
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on September 17, 2014, 02:26:19 pm
The astoundingly great leadership and endless opportunity scope?  :TU:
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Post by: MrMafia on September 17, 2014, 04:15:25 pm
For reals? :) But their basic fundamentals look aweful to me.  Though I'm an absolute beginner
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Post by: gcr on September 17, 2014, 11:16:09 pm
Haven't seen any postings by Orca lately - how is he settling in overseas
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 09:27:50 am
Yes, he is not posting as often, but does come online every now and then..
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Post by: Patrick on September 18, 2014, 09:44:41 am
His profile says he was around this morning, maybe his wifi is lousy on the beach!
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Post by: Peter01 on September 18, 2014, 09:52:23 am
Hi Guys, will anyone short CFR?
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Post by: Moonraker on September 18, 2014, 09:56:28 am
Got it right past 2 x. Let's see this time. ¼% up for repo.
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Post by: MrMafia on September 18, 2014, 10:41:47 am
I'd have more luck shorting everything I buy.  I touch a share and it drops :D
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Post by: MrMafia on September 18, 2014, 10:42:34 am
Let's confuse fate.  Tell me what share you want to short, I buy, then we split profits
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Post by: MrMafia on September 18, 2014, 10:48:38 am
Would it be worth putting anything into Aspen?  They never drop
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Post by: Peter01 on September 18, 2014, 11:28:41 am
Thinking og a WHL long so go short there, cant go wrong then.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 02:43:32 pm
APN just brought out good results. Does look good long term. Note lot of income from outside RSA, thus rand strenght could bring it down some (bit)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 04:55:55 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 18, 2014, 05:19:47 pm
Are they not in div-ex?
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Post by: MrMafia on September 18, 2014, 05:20:36 pm
Is it good to buy just after div-ex?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 05:45:46 pm
NPN or APN ?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 05:54:09 pm
NPN
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 06:11:18 pm
NPN The last date to trade cum dividend will be Friday 12 September 425c
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 06:12:43 pm
Pos No 4 on DarkSide :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 06:19:42 pm
Nice jaDEB :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2014, 06:38:17 pm
jaDEB here u are 346th ... knobb :'(
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Post by: MrMafia on September 19, 2014, 09:56:24 am
SHF looks good :), wow and my MTN has taken a jump
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Post by: Moonraker on September 19, 2014, 09:58:27 am
JaDEB, DarkSide has no status here :) :)
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Post by: giggsie on September 19, 2014, 10:13:43 am
Sold MIX too soon :(
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Post by: MrMafia on September 19, 2014, 10:14:26 am
You chop :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 19, 2014, 10:15:16 am
PNC looking better today as well so far.  Hope it holds
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2014, 10:16:02 am
The voices in my head is from the Darkside :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2014, 10:16:36 am
PS. NPN upgraded by broker :)
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Post by: giggsie on September 19, 2014, 10:17:50 am
Yeah, I am watching them as well, was thinking of getting in @ 1200 yesterday but was waiting for it to slip more
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Post by: Patrick on September 19, 2014, 10:49:40 am
My only concern with NPN is on the DSTV front. I see streaming taking a chunk of their business in future and they don't seem to have a strategy in place to fight that.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2014, 11:49:43 am
They own M-web ? correct ?
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Post by: Luna on September 19, 2014, 12:42:43 pm
:D
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2014, 02:30:06 pm
U does well Luna .. :)
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Post by: Luna on September 19, 2014, 02:54:38 pm
Seems like it :P
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Post by: MrMafia on September 22, 2014, 09:50:45 am
Why would sum1 sell less than 10 shares?  Just to drop the price?
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Post by: Patrick on September 22, 2014, 10:15:31 am
I've seen it happen a few times, specially with shares that aren't traded often. All I can think is that they are competing in a challenge like this and want to manipulate the prices. Which share was this?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2014, 10:33:22 am
No, u sold all your shares except 10, thus u just sell them at lower price. I did it once with Sage shares, put it in the top movers of the day.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2014, 10:35:06 am
Still have the newspaper cut out, pushed it up 38%. Bought and last couple of shares was much higher, but did not do much to my average.
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Post by: MrMafia on September 22, 2014, 10:44:54 am
It was PNC.  I spotted a volume of 5 traded earlier this morning
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Post by: MrMafia on September 22, 2014, 10:45:10 am
And the price has been jumping a lot today :)
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Post by: Peter01 on September 22, 2014, 11:17:15 am
to late for a short on KIO?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2014, 11:19:43 am
Any1 following Alibaba ?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2014, 12:23:22 pm
Not the Genie, but the IPO ?
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Post by: Patrick on September 22, 2014, 05:40:31 pm
Jack Ma is now the richest man in China. I quite like this piece on him:
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Ma, now China's richest man, said he takes inspiration from Forrest Gump. And based on a 2010 interview with Charlie Rose, Ma's view on wealth is indeed Gump-like. "If you have a couple of million, you're a rich guy," Ma said. "We have $10 million to $20 million, it's capital. Over $100 million, that's social resources. That's society giving it to you saying: 'you guys run it.' So it's not my money. I don't think I can spend it. I can only sleep in one bed. I can only eat three dinners. That's all. What is money for?"

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_26568972/biz-break-alibaba-apple-ellison-play-who-wants
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2014, 06:23:42 pm
OCE :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 23, 2014, 09:04:31 am
Me thinks there will be nice buying Opportunities coming up .. where is MoneyPenny
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Post by: jaDEB on September 23, 2014, 10:00:03 am
KIO :'(
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Post by: MrMafia on September 23, 2014, 10:05:25 am
The whole JSE seems to be dropping.  Any chance for a turnaround?
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on September 23, 2014, 11:00:18 am
Russia. -_-
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Post by: Orca on September 23, 2014, 11:16:59 am
Overdone.
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Post by: Patrick on September 23, 2014, 02:41:53 pm
Welcome back Orca, how's Portugal treating you?
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Post by: Orca on September 23, 2014, 10:37:02 pm
Great. Will update my "blog".
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Post by: gcr on September 24, 2014, 09:37:29 pm
Patrick - how is your system going to handle the Woolworths nil paid letters, can we take up to, what we have as a balance in our accouts?
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Post by: Patrick on September 25, 2014, 11:32:01 am
I haven't followed woolworths, so I'll need a brief description and also some recommendations.
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Post by: gcr on September 25, 2014, 02:07:23 pm
If you look at the WHL sens it spells out the deal, but, in essence shareholders have been allocated NPL which had to be taken up last Friday or the letters lapsed. I hold WHL in my private portfolio and have taken up my shares as they are priced at a discount to current trading prices (Price is R 60 and some change per share) so once they list these shares they will ranks with the current ordinary shares. One can expect the price of WHL to drop a bit as there will be more shares in circulation but I think it is already in the price as they are trading at about R 71.00
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Post by: Patrick on September 25, 2014, 02:44:11 pm
Great, I'll find the sens. Generally with rights issues, we force all holders to take them here, even if it puts their cash into a negative. I think the same should be done in this situation.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 25, 2014, 04:40:13 pm
OCE :'(
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Post by: gcr on September 26, 2014, 10:26:35 am
Agree that they should be taken up
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Post by: Patrick on September 26, 2014, 11:32:54 am
What's up with the market today? I bought STXIND at R59.72 yesterday sigh!
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Post by: gcr on September 26, 2014, 03:49:35 pm
Personally I would sit on the side lines for the next few days to a week and then buy on dips - if you have spare cash. Sometime in mid October our new finance minister is going to tell us how bad the financial system is in RSA and how much the state has borrowed and also how it is going to avoid a sovereign downgrade - this unfortunately will happen and the Rand will weaken once again - why we may even see R 11.75 to R 12.00 to the dollar
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Post by: Luna on September 29, 2014, 09:31:02 am
I agree
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2014, 03:48:18 pm
Here we go again - Dow down .8%
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2014, 03:48:52 pm
0.8 % incase some1 reading wrong
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2014, 04:33:17 pm
Mr Bond, are u reading Dark Side....
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Post by: Moonraker on September 29, 2014, 04:37:55 pm
Some. See my comments your Buying Opportunities thread. Plus now we have Hong Kong. Very concerning.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2014, 04:46:43 pm
Did see ur comment, thks. Darkside is kinda mud slinging now, more like YOU magazine...
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Post by: Nivek on September 30, 2014, 08:31:40 am
More downside today? Where is MP when we're riding the rollercoaster?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 30, 2014, 08:42:17 am
Hallo munchkins, hope you're doing okay. ;-)
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 30, 2014, 08:43:46 am
Haven't been visiting darkside in ages, always the same characters acting up.  
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 30, 2014, 08:44:51 am
YOU magazine, hehe!
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 30, 2014, 08:47:10 am
T40 @ -0.09% and going down atm
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Post by: jaDEB on September 30, 2014, 09:27:42 am
:) u back
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Post by: FransH on September 30, 2014, 11:49:20 am
hot damn ACG  ;D
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Post by: Moonraker on September 30, 2014, 12:12:57 pm
My Glencore have zero value in Leaderboard. Result dropped from high teens to 79. WTF.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 30, 2014, 06:54:17 pm
Thanks to whoever sorted it :)
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on October 01, 2014, 03:44:44 pm
zed
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on October 01, 2014, 03:48:31 pm
Oops sorry bout that :S Any ideas of who's buying BLU?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 01, 2014, 04:32:19 pm
No idea, did see CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENT
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Post by: gcr on October 01, 2014, 10:11:22 pm
Great, I'll find the sens. Generally with rights issues, we force all holders to take them here, even if it puts their cash into a negative. I think the same should be done in this situation.
Hi Patrick - when will you be addressing this matter - looking at my personal portfolio they allocated my NPL and debited me 26/09/2014 for the shares as I exercised my option to take up the shares. In this "game" I too wish to take up my letters - my investor challenge account can be debited - Thanks
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 08:07:52 am
Red hanger sale today ?
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Post by: Patrick on October 02, 2014, 08:30:04 am
Hi Patrick - when will you be addressing this matter - looking at my personal portfolio they allocated my NPL and debited me 26/09/2014 for the shares as I exercised my option to take up the shares. In this "game" I too wish to take up my letters - my investor challenge account can be debited - Thanks

Hi Graham, just to make sure I understood the sens. It's 22 new shares for every 100 held on the 12 September, at a cost of R59.50 per share. Correct?

http://woolies.hosted.inet.co.za/news/story/26aa1abf-35d6-440c-b92f-411b4e8a1e9e
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 08:32:06 am
The darkside is Hysterical funny
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 11:38:53 am
Which andriod apps u using? I use sharenet & Bloomberg. Any1 better?
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 02, 2014, 01:41:28 pm
Ja jaDEB, hysteria with a touch of neurotic can become very creepy very quickly.  :D
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Post by: gcr on October 02, 2014, 01:54:01 pm
Hi Patrick - when will you be addressing this matter - looking at my personal portfolio they allocated my NPL and debited me 26/09/2014 for the shares as I exercised my option to take up the shares. In this "game" I too wish to take up my letters - my investor challenge account can be debited - Thanks

Hi Graham, just to make sure I understood the sens. It's 22 new shares for every 100 held on the 12 September, at a cost of R59.50 per share. Correct?

http://woolies.hosted.inet.co.za/news/story/26aa1abf-35d6-440c-b92f-411b4e8a1e9e
Quite correct Patrick
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 05:38:08 pm
NPN :'(
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Post by: Orca on October 02, 2014, 05:56:56 pm
JSE, NYSE, NASDAQ, FTSI, : (
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 06:36:30 pm
Ja, :'( , time to take my tablets again
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2014, 06:49:16 pm
Does NPN sell iron ore? frikkin looks like it .... !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on October 03, 2014, 12:14:40 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 03, 2014, 02:38:33 pm
Gold below 1200 :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on October 03, 2014, 03:15:17 pm
The U.S. jobless rate declined to a six-year low of 5.9 percent in September and employers added 248,000 in payrolls, followed a 180,000 August increase that was bigger than previously estimated. The median forecast in a Bloomberg survey=215,000
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Post by: Shi on October 05, 2014, 11:40:46 pm
rate hike quicker than you think for US then?
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Post by: gcr on October 06, 2014, 09:32:52 am
Hi Patrick - when will you be addressing this matter - looking at my personal portfolio they allocated my NPL and debited me 26/09/2014 for the shares as I exercised my option to take up the shares. In this "game" I too wish to take up my letters - my investor challenge account can be debited - Thanks

Hi Graham, just to make sure I understood the sens. It's 22 new shares for every 100 held on the 12 September, at a cost of R59.50 per share. Correct?

http://woolies.hosted.inet.co.za/news/story/26aa1abf-35d6-440c-b92f-411b4e8a1e9e
Quite correct Patrick

Thanks for sorting this out Patrick 8)
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Post by: Pdpshares on October 07, 2014, 05:40:02 pm
Hi Patrick, I owned VIVIDEND and now showing ZERO value after the buyout. This should be adjusted for in my holdings. Please review. pdpshares
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Post by: jaDEB on October 08, 2014, 09:08:55 am
What does “Grandfathered: Yes” mean? on preservation plan (Pension)
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Post by: Orca on October 08, 2014, 12:55:49 pm
Never heard of that word.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 08, 2014, 01:41:31 pm
Got mail from OM - Regulation 28 of the Pension Funds Act of 1956 sets out the investment principles and asset limits
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2014, 12:09:44 pm
@pdp, link to a sens announcement or news page please
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Post by: Moonraker on October 10, 2014, 01:48:27 pm
Have you noticed ? REITS seem to be least affected. Most unchanged - some (RES) even up.
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Post by: Patrick on October 10, 2014, 02:54:48 pm
What are your thoughts on the reasons for that moon?
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 10, 2014, 02:56:09 pm
What's up with Assore, up 6.56%?
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Post by: Moonraker on October 10, 2014, 03:53:48 pm
@ Patrick - see under the market crash thread.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 13, 2014, 08:47:47 am
T40 – 0.94% now –397 points, 41 564
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Post by: Patrick on October 13, 2014, 09:43:07 am
And dropping! As much as I know it's not a real loss unless I sell, it's no fun watching...
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 13, 2014, 02:58:00 pm
T40 up 70% @ 42 250, US futures green +0.4%, +0.3% +0.2%, Opening in 30 minutes.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 13, 2014, 04:12:50 pm
T40 up 70% ?
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Post by: Patrick on October 13, 2014, 04:47:18 pm
Haha if only. I'd be retiring right away with a 70% increase :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 13, 2014, 04:50:25 pm
Hehe, yes didn't you see it, whats wrong with you?  And just because you're snooty with me, I'm changing it to +0.39% now.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 13, 2014, 05:03:31 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 14, 2014, 12:14:54 pm
Here we go again :'(
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Post by: Orca on October 14, 2014, 12:46:22 pm
Makes me wonder if this is stupid or clever money exiting.
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Post by: Orca on October 14, 2014, 12:48:01 pm
If it is clever money, we can expect much more red.
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Post by: Bevan on October 14, 2014, 05:15:43 pm
I reckon the rest of this week is green. It's next week I'm worried about.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 14, 2014, 05:32:17 pm
As long as this week is not neg, and next week is neg.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 14, 2014, 07:19:21 pm
@jaDEB:  Why?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 15, 2014, 12:08:42 am
1 positive week, then 1 neg week is better than having 2 negative weeks I suppose?
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Post by: Moonraker on October 15, 2014, 01:46:43 pm
Measured in real terms (constant 2012 prices), retail trade sales increased by 2,1% year-on-year in August 2014. The highest annual growth rates were recorded for: retailers in hardware, paint and glass
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Post by: Moonraker on October 15, 2014, 02:52:32 pm
U.S. September Retail Sales Fall 0.3%; Excluding Autos Drop 0.2%....Ah... that's why the sudden $ weakness.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 15, 2014, 04:06:11 pm
T40 -2.17%, FTSE -2.05%, DACs -2.15%
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Post by: jaDEB on October 15, 2014, 05:02:38 pm
Eina
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Post by: Luna on October 15, 2014, 05:21:34 pm
Jip... hectic
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 15, 2014, 06:54:43 pm
Dow -2.23%, Nas -1.99%, S&P -2.27%, Gold +0.62%
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Post by: jaDEB on October 16, 2014, 08:19:19 am
Pick & Pay - Nice - Basic earnings per share          26.72 cents         19.86 cents        34.5
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Post by: Orca on October 16, 2014, 10:51:07 am
ALSI PE was too high at 19. What is it now? 17?
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Post by: Moonraker on October 16, 2014, 01:06:31 pm
16,3 per Simon Brown. http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-safm-market-update/guest-market-watcher-simon-brown--justonelap-11
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Post by: Moonraker on October 16, 2014, 03:11:16 pm
U.S. Jobless Claims Fall to 264K (expected 290K)
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Post by: Moonraker on October 16, 2014, 03:46:06 pm
Manufacturing production, which had dropped 0.5 percent in August, advanced by 0.5 percent in September. Expected 0.3%
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Post by: Moonraker on October 17, 2014, 03:04:21 pm
US. Housing starts climbed 6.3% to a 1.02 million annualized rate from 957,000 in August. Expected 1 million.
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Post by: Patrick on October 17, 2014, 04:38:18 pm
Do you think the panic is over then moonraker?
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Post by: Moonraker on October 17, 2014, 06:53:07 pm
No. If ratings downgrade 10%+; If not 5%+. Watch socialist EU - deflation and stimulus exhausted.
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Post by: Moonraker on October 17, 2014, 06:54:57 pm
Also - watch mini budget Wednesday.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 20, 2014, 09:11:46 am
Fizzled out quickly, back into negative territory, same with Europe.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 21, 2014, 04:55:47 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on October 21, 2014, 08:53:39 pm
Too soon, I only have money to buy more on Friday
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Post by: Moonraker on October 23, 2014, 09:59:35 am
Germany October Manufacturing PMI Rises to 51.8, Beating Forecast of 49.5
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 23, 2014, 09:02:59 pm
Wall Street +236 points.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 23, 2014, 09:13:44 pm
HMY US -1.79%, SHF US -4.28%, Atlatsa US +9%
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Post by: jaDEB on October 24, 2014, 09:42:23 am
U.S. stock futures tumble on reports of NY Ebola case
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Post by: jaDEB on October 27, 2014, 11:47:56 am
U.S. economy on track for its best growth in 9 years
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Post by: jaDEB on October 29, 2014, 11:45:28 am
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on October 29, 2014, 02:18:33 pm
Adapt It :)
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Post by: Orca on October 30, 2014, 11:01:29 am
ADI again :)
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Post by: Orca on October 30, 2014, 11:33:45 am
And MTA again :)
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Post by: Moonraker on October 31, 2014, 12:53:17 pm
And MTA - Not :) And APN, and... goeie genade :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2014, 01:15:19 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on October 31, 2014, 02:02:29 pm
MTA and ADI again. Goeie genade :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2014, 02:13:16 pm
To quote my mom "van lekker gelag kom lekker gehuil"
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2014, 02:24:32 pm
Gold :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on October 31, 2014, 02:27:54 pm
My Aarde ! Dis 'n dag duisend ! Dankie VSA, dankie BOJ.
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Post by: Patrick on October 31, 2014, 05:21:17 pm
My holdings took a big leap too. Thanks Mr Indi, smiling that I bought some at 56.80 and some more at 57.50 in the last month :)
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on November 01, 2014, 04:50:52 pm
wow i'm @ number 3..   i hope i stay there :)
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Post by: gcr on November 03, 2014, 09:33:35 am
Are the share prices not supposed to update every 15 minutes - some don't seem to show todays prices BVT
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Post by: jaDEB on November 03, 2014, 10:32:51 am
jaDEB = Buying high when greed sets in and selling low when fear develops is a common theme in investing
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Post by: gcr on November 03, 2014, 11:09:25 am
jaDEB = Buying high when greed sets in and selling low when fear develops is a common theme in investing
Not true of the real investor - more a result of someone not knowing the market comprehensively enough
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Post by: Nios on November 04, 2014, 08:58:58 pm
@Patrick what happened to PNC? My holdings show 0 and no longer on the share list.
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Post by: Patrick on November 05, 2014, 12:56:03 pm
@Nios, it sometimes happens late at night that the bloomberg link throws out some zeros. It fixes itself by morning so I don't worry about it. To stop people buying free shares there's a restriction in place.
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Post by: Nios on November 05, 2014, 06:38:49 pm
thanks Patrick
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2014, 04:35:48 pm
OCE :)
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Post by: Patrick on November 06, 2014, 04:40:22 pm
6% up, nice. What happened?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2014, 04:54:52 pm
Results out
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2014, 04:55:08 pm
HEADLINE EARNINGS PER SHARE INCREASE BY 16 %
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2014, 04:55:25 pm
DIVIDENDS PER SHARE INCREASE BY 17 %
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2014, 12:24:16 pm
Hey jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2014, 12:24:34 pm
Hello u...how are you
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2014, 12:24:55 pm
Good and you ?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2014, 12:25:31 pm
good thanks
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Post by: Orca on November 07, 2014, 01:23:20 pm
Time for your tablets jaDEB.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2014, 01:50:00 pm
yes. lol. was feeling lonesome...nobody here :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on November 10, 2014, 02:41:03 pm
Vodacom ... down 5%
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Post by: Patrick on November 10, 2014, 04:48:45 pm
I'm in the absolute middle of nowhere this week...
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Post by: jaDEB on November 10, 2014, 05:26:42 pm
u in Brakpan ?
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Post by: Patrick on November 11, 2014, 09:12:50 am
Haha, brakpan would be fun. I'm in a tiny town called Ambovombe. We've just has a water delivery by by cow cart!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 11, 2014, 09:16:33 am
close to u is Madagascar, Ambatovy is a world-class, large tonnage nickel project
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 11, 2014, 09:38:03 am
@P:  Sneak out through sugar cane fields after dark and visit coastal  resorts :-)
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Post by: Patrick on November 11, 2014, 10:59:05 am
I'm hoping to spend friday in Fort Dauphin... Paradise!
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2014, 11:16:51 pm
Must brag. MTA and ADI shot me over 180 participants in 10 days.
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2014, 11:38:11 pm
Fear index up big time. This is great. Buy everything.
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2014, 11:39:12 pm
Nobody here. Sniff sniff.
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Post by: Nivek on November 12, 2014, 07:38:12 am
Hi Orca, nice moving, has it also helped your real life portfolio?
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Post by: Patrick on November 12, 2014, 03:12:22 pm
Anyone care to weigh in on CMLs 4% jump today?
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Post by: Orca on November 12, 2014, 03:54:43 pm
Yes Nivek, I have the same stocks in my real portfolio.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 12, 2014, 04:53:44 pm
Why is my NPN down :'(
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Post by: Orca on November 12, 2014, 05:15:10 pm
CML - Maybe institutional investors climbing in after digesting yesterdays results. Strong volumes today.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 12, 2014, 06:27:38 pm
@JaDEB Tencent Holdings Ltd. (700) reported third-quarter profit that missed analyst estimates after the Chinese Internet company’s revenue gained at the slowest pace since 2007 and development and staff costs increased.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 12, 2014, 06:28:16 pm
@JaDEB http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-12/tencent-quarterly-profit-misses-estimates-as-costs-climb.html
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Post by: jaDEB on November 13, 2014, 08:11:00 am
Thks Mr Bond
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Post by: jaDEB on November 13, 2014, 08:30:36 am
Seeming 10c is recovering. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 13, 2014, 10:18:44 am
So is NPN :)
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Post by: gcr on November 13, 2014, 11:42:31 am
This is not a boast but merely an indication of the volatility of the market and how quickly it can change. Using my personal portfolio and a base value at 27th October by close of business yesterday the paper value of my portfolio has grown by just over R 179,000. The ALSI hasn't hit an all time in fact it is still off its high by about 1,800 points, yet my portfolio is at an all time high. So sometimes it pays to sit and wait out corrections rather than sell into a falling market
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Post by: Orca on November 13, 2014, 12:14:57 pm
 Welll done. I aim to beat my benchmark STXIND after my big loss with PNC.  Was 210 positions below 10 days ago. Now in my xhairs at at only 10.
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 13, 2014, 04:44:40 pm
@G: Nice
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Post by: jaDEB on November 14, 2014, 10:50:19 am
NPN ? Mr Bond up 7%
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Post by: jaDEB on November 14, 2014, 11:20:03 am
ANy1 have idea NPN - check value traded
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Post by: Moonraker on November 14, 2014, 12:13:12 pm
NPN - Good stuff J.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 14, 2014, 12:24:40 pm
Thks Mr Bond
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Post by: Moonraker on November 14, 2014, 02:30:12 pm
NPN will join forces with Singapore Press Holdings to accelerate its e-commerce business in emerging markets. This is part of a strategy to reinvent itself for mobile devices.News of the deal sent shares of Naspers up as much as 7 %
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Post by: InvestKing on November 14, 2014, 05:23:02 pm
sab
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 17, 2014, 10:39:35 am
Commodities, in particular gold, in vogue today. Gold Index 5.67%, Plat Index 2.59%

ANG   8.35
VIL   5.26
HAR   5.24
GFI   3.31
SGL   2.66
NHM   2.41
AMS   2.26
EXX   2.25
IMP   2.01
CZA   1.92
GLD   1.65
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Post by: Moonraker on November 18, 2014, 09:41:03 am
Electricity From Fuel Cells Sparking Demand for Platinum http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-18/electricity-from-fuel-cells-sparking-demand-for-platinum-energy.html
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on November 18, 2014, 10:20:36 am
Interesting, I believe one of the big mining companies has been funding studies using platinum as a catalyst where alternatives exist... Also BCX seem to be right in there with disruptive fuel cell technology. I'm not sure about how achievable the price of a unit can get though. Localised DC grids FTW  :TU:
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Post by: Moonraker on November 20, 2014, 12:02:22 pm
Euro-Area November Manufacturing PMI Falls to 50.4 Compared with Forecast of 50.8
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 20, 2014, 04:06:58 pm
Oeh-eh-eh!  -835 pips now on T40
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on November 24, 2014, 02:48:42 pm
my "ALLIED ELECTRONICS CORP " reports zero price, anyone knows whats up with that?
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Post by: Patrick on November 24, 2014, 03:59:49 pm
I'll go check it out...
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on November 24, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
Thanks Patrick
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2014, 07:32:43 am
NPN Results out
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Post by: Patrick on November 25, 2014, 07:42:27 am
ATN is now AEL, the price will fix itself after 9am sometime.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2014, 09:37:39 am
What's with Brait ? Market not liking the Steinhoff deal ? http://data.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb/sharedata/scripts/sens.asp?id=242140
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2014, 09:38:29 am
Why is Omnia down?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2014, 10:32:56 am
kk - Omnia Basic earnings per share down 4,9% to 606,0 cents per share
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Post by: Patrick on November 25, 2014, 12:40:00 pm
They're now back to August 2013 levels, not looking nearly as good as they did in 2012 and 2013.
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 25, 2014, 02:18:13 pm
My Telkom ADSL acting up again, be back when I can. :(
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2014, 03:13:13 pm
Got the new R212 R wifi thingy from Vodacom - nice works like a bomb on my online games :)
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Post by: Patrick on November 25, 2014, 05:55:21 pm
Link please jadeb
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2014, 08:11:41 am
http://www.vodacom.co.za/vodacom/shopping/g-connect-wifi
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2014, 08:13:18 am
@ P, I took the 5 Gig option R212 Z had to for my Call of Duty Advanced warfare
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2014, 11:34:23 am
Great, thanks jaDEB. Sounds like a good deal, I'll go check it out.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2014, 11:37:11 am
Also just check if u have 4G coverage
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2014, 02:21:01 pm
Will do. I'm busy preparing my house for selling. Too much money and too much time is vanishing!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2014, 02:31:04 pm
Check if a "wife" is walking around house. Normally uses time and money, upgrade to newer model :)
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Post by: Hamster on November 27, 2014, 06:01:38 am
Will do. I'm busy preparing my house for selling. Too much money and too much time is vanishing!
You buying another one with less maintenance or renting after the sale?
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Post by: The Investor on November 27, 2014, 01:20:02 pm
Where is the button I need to press so my money is paid in to my account? :)
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Post by: Patrick on November 27, 2014, 02:39:06 pm
Will do. I'm busy preparing my house for selling. Too much money and too much time is vanishing!
You buying another one with less maintenance or renting after the sale?

It'll be many years before I even think of owning another place.  As I said in that blog post about houses, I don't want to be tied to one location, and I don't want the huge expense!
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Post by: Trader1 on November 27, 2014, 03:27:30 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on November 27, 2014, 03:38:24 pm
Swiss voters will head to the polls to vote on a controversial measure that could lift global gold prices
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Post by: jaDEB on November 28, 2014, 11:50:19 am
Is Sasol part of Black Friday Sale?
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Post by: Orca on November 28, 2014, 02:32:23 pm
No. Nor is SAB. :(
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Post by: jaDEB on November 28, 2014, 02:47:36 pm
Orca, I am talking about share price not beers....do the sell castle by you?
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Post by: Orca on November 28, 2014, 06:21:57 pm
No, but we do get good Superbok beer. I prefer the wine here because it costs €0,69 for 1 ltr vs €1,40 for a small can of coke.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 01, 2014, 09:26:29 am
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on December 01, 2014, 10:33:29 am
Is EFF visiting JSE Today .....
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Post by: nkeyser on December 02, 2014, 06:57:32 am
abl
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2014, 05:00:48 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on December 02, 2014, 10:08:58 pm
Just found an App that gets me to listen to my favourite Cape Town radio channel here in Portugal. Very nostalgic.
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Post by: Orca on December 02, 2014, 10:24:00 pm
Tried to go to Spain but there is a railway strike.
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Post by: Orca on December 02, 2014, 10:24:50 pm
 Strikes are also nostalgic.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 03, 2014, 07:42:03 am
:)
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Post by: Patrick on December 03, 2014, 10:56:03 am
lol
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Post by: Orca on December 04, 2014, 09:14:30 pm
Patrick. My website is not updating. No post seen today.
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Post by: Jaymeb on December 05, 2014, 02:27:46 pm
arican bank
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Post by: The Investor on December 05, 2014, 10:09:26 pm
Didn't see that coming...a real anti climax
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Post by: ActivateD on December 07, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
pep
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Post by: jaDEB on December 08, 2014, 06:02:00 pm
Rant is load shedding :'( R11.56 to USD
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Post by: Patrick on December 09, 2014, 11:09:18 am
And I'm planning on going out of sa for the holidays :(
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2014, 03:21:19 pm
I will go to Brakpan, not even Eskom will dare load shedding Brakpan.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2014, 03:22:20 pm
Gold :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2014, 05:44:33 pm
NPN :'( and talking to myself
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Post by: Orca on December 10, 2014, 12:00:25 am
Strange as the other site is just as quiet.
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Post by: Orca on December 10, 2014, 12:07:30 am
Sorry if I woke you guys. Time diffs and stuff.
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on December 10, 2014, 06:40:55 am
@Patrick, lol, book your forex before it gets even worse
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Post by: Patrick on December 10, 2014, 10:14:33 am
All my sites are quiet at the moment... And at the office, everyone is on youtube, so internet is painfully slow too!
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Post by: Patrick on December 12, 2014, 11:16:11 am
Wondering if Imran will be able to get to 100% by the 24th...
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Post by: jaDEB on December 12, 2014, 01:44:31 pm
Huh?
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Post by: letlhogonolo on December 12, 2014, 02:49:54 pm
Does that mean trading is >>> investing
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Post by: The Investor on December 14, 2014, 06:17:03 pm
Let me say this...I would much rather have lost to Luna, just because we've had such a cool contest. BUT, credit is due where it is due - so to Imran, well done man. Unless something hectic happens looks like you've got it in the bag :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 15, 2014, 08:07:12 am
Some good SA Inc news.. we own Miss World..awesome
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Post by: Patrick on December 15, 2014, 09:09:48 am
Yes I saw that while I was busy trying to block 200 new scammers on the site this weekend. Seems they figured out how to get past my challenge question...
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Post by: Orca on December 15, 2014, 10:42:01 pm
SARS debarcale might just be the demise of the ZAR. Foreign money exit.
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Post by: Orca on December 15, 2014, 10:43:05 pm
Perhaps this is why CML is going down.
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Post by: Patrick on December 17, 2014, 07:51:43 am
One week to go for the challenge...
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Post by: jaDEB on December 18, 2014, 12:08:58 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on December 18, 2014, 03:20:22 pm
JSE. :) Fear Index :(
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Post by: Patrick on December 25, 2014, 06:32:57 pm
Thanks for playing everyone, the database for 2014 has been backed up. I'll put it in a separate link soon. Any transactions or changes in share prices from here on won't count. There will be an official announcement soon. Next year we'll open the 2015 challenge on the 5th :)
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Post by: letlhogonolo on December 25, 2014, 11:12:20 pm
top 10 woohoo
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Post by: Imran on December 26, 2014, 01:24:52 am
0.06% short of a 100, sigh...
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Post by: NakedPeanut on December 30, 2014, 10:01:56 am
Ah was a miserable year for me.. not even 3% :'(
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on December 30, 2014, 01:23:38 pm
Why is this site so quiet lately?Is everyone quietly buying gold?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 31, 2014, 09:47:35 am
Just taking a break. All the best for 2015 to u all.
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Post by: gcr on December 31, 2014, 10:08:55 am
Markets going nowhere - funds managers squaring off books
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Post by: Patrick on December 31, 2014, 10:55:40 am
I'm on holiday with a 1.5km walk to get internet.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 31, 2014, 02:13:48 pm
Pfftt..just get a long cable...u IT okes
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Post by: gcr on January 02, 2015, 09:23:07 am
Are we running a similar comp in 2015 - if so where's the money
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Post by: jay8mac on January 04, 2015, 04:43:51 pm
calgro
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Post by: jay8mac on January 04, 2015, 04:46:33 pm
ellies holdings
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Post by: Patrick on January 05, 2015, 07:12:57 pm
@gcr, we are. It starts on Monday!
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Post by: giggsie on January 06, 2015, 10:29:54 am
2014 results are showing the current leader board... i think there is a glitch in the Matrix!!!!!
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Post by: jay8mac on January 06, 2015, 12:29:21 pm
naspers
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Post by: jaDEB on January 06, 2015, 04:35:15 pm
Yes Naspers :)
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Post by: chang9015 on January 06, 2015, 06:19:06 pm
calgro
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2015, 10:06:35 am
Gold lookin good?
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Post by: MrMafia on January 07, 2015, 10:09:24 am
Naspers?
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Post by: Patrick on January 07, 2015, 10:19:37 am
I'll check out the matrix glitch tonight.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2015, 10:27:55 am
MrMafia check Sandbox
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Post by: jay8mac on January 07, 2015, 11:46:14 am
whats sandbox?
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Post by: MrMafia on January 07, 2015, 01:39:40 pm
jay8 its a forum thread called pulverised sandbox.  jaDEB thanks! :)
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Post by: jay8mac on January 07, 2015, 02:05:16 pm
thnx MR mafia =)
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Post by: conradl on January 07, 2015, 02:42:03 pm
@patrick. Previous results for 2014 aren't loading :(
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Post by: Patrick on January 07, 2015, 05:53:38 pm
Will sort it out tonight Conrad
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Post by: Patrick on January 08, 2015, 07:32:41 am
Ok 2014 results are up and working!
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Post by: yozzi on January 08, 2015, 08:55:30 am
sasol
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Post by: NakedPeanut on January 08, 2015, 11:38:37 am
Aspen!!
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Post by: jay8mac on January 09, 2015, 12:37:41 pm
sasol
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Post by: jaDEB on January 09, 2015, 02:06:28 pm
jaDEB, Eskom wants u to stop posting and save power.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 09, 2015, 02:06:38 pm
..I..
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 12, 2015, 07:33:38 am
Hallo virtual sweeties :) what have you been up to?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 12, 2015, 09:02:53 am
hello welcome back :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 12, 2015, 09:05:22 am
Hi jaDEB, nice to see you again.
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Post by: Patrick on January 12, 2015, 12:12:13 pm
Back to work for me soon... I'll do the write up on last years results soon.
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on January 12, 2015, 01:01:44 pm
guys where are the results for last year LeaderBoard ?
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on January 12, 2015, 01:02:00 pm
at least i was at Top 10
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 12, 2015, 02:29:28 pm
@MfanaInv:  Check previous results under Investor Challenge.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 12, 2015, 02:41:07 pm
Patrick is still gallivanting in Timbuktu or there abouts without wifi.  I'm sure he'll make a big spectacle of our 2014 results, (with a parade, glitter and his trademark stats) once he's back.  ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 13, 2015, 10:26:34 am
Gold :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 13, 2015, 10:26:44 am
Brent :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 13, 2015, 05:48:26 pm
ASR up 7%
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Post by: Patrick on January 14, 2015, 09:19:12 am
Morning all, Timbuktu was fun, but it's back to work for me today. I'll have some results and stats out soon.
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Post by: giggsie on January 14, 2015, 09:37:25 am
ASR Burnt me last year -50% !!!!. I was considering taking them on since they were so low. I'm Kicking myself now :'(
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Post by: Motown Capital on January 14, 2015, 10:19:14 am
The Top40 index is swinging like a see-saw of late, often an indicator that it's about to shoot - whether it shoots up or down this year is anybody's guess.  My guess is down, given global conditions.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2015, 11:13:07 am
Glencore down 7% - Copper price ?
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Post by: The Trader on January 14, 2015, 12:39:44 pm
Yes, copper price. And perhaps a growing realisation that they are exposed to coal, the ugly sister of all the fossil fuels. Copper price is down but also, Zambia is trying to impose a 20% gross royalty on tonnage, instead of the current 4% and taxes. This knocks Glencore (and others such as Trafigura) because they would no longer be able to offshore profits to Zug and leave the operating company in country running at close to break even.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2015, 12:41:50 pm
Thks Trader
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Post by: Levit holdings on January 14, 2015, 03:52:15 pm
glencore
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2015, 06:05:00 pm
Blood on the dance floor - MJ
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 08:33:15 am
Reserve Bank of India Governor Raghuram Rajan cut interest rates
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Post by: Trigger on January 15, 2015, 09:32:04 am
hackquin
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 10:05:29 am
League of Legends ?
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Post by: Moonraker on January 15, 2015, 12:30:21 pm
MDC big bonus. Swiss Nat. Bank has removed min. peg against €. CHF shooting the lights out vs. Runt
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 01:31:30 pm
Gold :)
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2015, 01:53:54 pm
Boereworse :(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 02:20:38 pm
Orca your CML Assets Under Management is out
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2015, 02:45:08 pm
Give us the brief jaDEB, I've got some CML too...
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2015, 02:55:36 pm
AUM bar chart shows a smaller gain hence some selling briefly. All the bars are 1 Yearlies except todays. It is a Q1 bar.
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2015, 03:06:49 pm
13% drop in fastfood as consumers opting for healthier non wheat, gluten free foods. Credit Suisse.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 03:37:56 pm
Brent 49 :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2015, 04:27:25 pm
Wow, CML does not even get mentioned in the darkside ?
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Post by: Tajiri on January 15, 2015, 08:03:10 pm
I would like to short sell GLN
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Post by: giggsie on January 16, 2015, 11:17:13 am
SAB :)
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Post by: Orca on January 16, 2015, 03:04:06 pm
SAB has flatlined ever since I left.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2015, 03:31:25 pm
LOL
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2015, 03:31:55 pm
I see u go to the darkside to visit - sies
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Post by: Moonraker on January 16, 2015, 04:27:47 pm
The bacalhau is affecting Orca's judgement :)
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Post by: giggsie on January 16, 2015, 05:41:49 pm
Hi Patrick, The IT Goup welcomes you. We still waiting for Mr. Mafia and The Investor to join us.
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2015, 05:47:24 pm
Thanks giggsie, now time to start the weekend!
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Post by: MrMafia on January 17, 2015, 02:34:45 pm
Oi, I'm on the way
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2015, 10:42:35 am
Gold :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2015, 04:08:47 pm
NPN, please end above 1600.00 pretty please...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2015, 10:26:20 am
Thanks NPN :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2015, 12:35:15 pm
P/E of 55, phew...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2015, 01:12:29 pm
NPN? PE?
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2015, 03:17:39 pm
Yeah NPN.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2015, 03:18:44 pm
See sandbox
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2015, 05:45:16 pm
Forgot about 10c influence on NPN.
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2015, 07:58:27 pm
Massive buying on CML brought her back from the cliff. Two trades at R107.14 totalling R61M at close. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2015, 10:01:59 am
WHat time is the ECB anouncement ?
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Post by: Moonraker on January 22, 2015, 10:07:37 am
14:45 and press conference 15:30
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2015, 10:30:16 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2015, 04:06:18 pm
The European Central Bank agreed on Thursday to embark on a quantitative easing (QE) programme that will see it print money to buy up 60 billion euros worth of sovereign bonds from March until the end of September next year
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Post by: Tman on January 23, 2015, 10:34:41 am
tman
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Post by: jaDEB on January 23, 2015, 01:24:38 pm
u back !!!
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2015, 08:54:54 am
How are things qriffin? What's been happening this last year?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 26, 2015, 09:54:04 am
Invicta down 11% ? Any1 know why?
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Post by: Moonraker on January 26, 2015, 10:01:11 am
Ex special div. R20.24 and ex Rights.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 26, 2015, 10:15:31 am
Thks Mr Bond.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 26, 2015, 12:57:22 pm
Load shedding in effect, 11:00 to 22:00 today, stage 1. :(
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Post by: Orca on January 26, 2015, 11:29:15 pm
Expect CGT to rise to 50% with the Budget Speach 25 Feb.
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Post by: gcr on January 27, 2015, 09:24:47 am
Expect CGT to rise to 50% with the Budget Speach 25 Feb.
Based on what criteria
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Post by: fsteyn on January 27, 2015, 11:31:36 am
daily closing price history
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Post by: fsteyn on January 27, 2015, 11:32:19 am
oops, sorry. thought this was the search function!
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2015, 11:49:21 am
Frans, where u playing rugby this year?
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Post by: fsteyn on January 27, 2015, 12:04:38 pm
Jip that's me. No, just kidding. I'm not that Frans Steyn
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2015, 12:09:54 pm
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 08:02:41 am
"Expect CGT to rise to 50% with the Budget Speach 25 Feb. " Thus I will trade more often and pay my tax rate instead on the 3 year CGT rule :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 28, 2015, 11:21:05 am
Do you have a source for that jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 01:52:57 pm
No, Orca's indicated it.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 01:53:54 pm
Quote from: Orca on January 26, 2015, 11:29:15 pm      Expect CGT to rise to 50% with the Budget Speach 25 Feb
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2015, 02:03:56 pm
Google Hugo van Zyl.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 02:12:33 pm
How is the weather there Orca?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 02:56:02 pm
Mr NPN please go over 1700 and stay above it.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 04:12:46 pm
Happiness is !!
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2015, 04:15:53 pm
Low of 6c to high of 13c jaDEB.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2015, 04:17:36 pm
:)
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2015, 04:17:55 pm
CML dropped to support level at 10300.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2015, 10:06:51 am
CORONATION Fund Managers last night won the Raging Bull award for the South African management company of the year for the sixth time
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2015, 08:29:38 pm
You should have shouted louder jaDEB. CML never heard you and tried to break support again.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 30, 2015, 12:31:43 pm
Wow, it is Quiet here.....
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Post by: giggsie on January 30, 2015, 01:10:15 pm
Yup. I think everyone else has Friday off!!!! :(
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Post by: Orca on January 30, 2015, 02:43:03 pm
Miserable and rainy here keeping us indoors.
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Post by: gcr on January 30, 2015, 03:23:44 pm
Miserable and rainy here keeping us indoors.
Sounds like typical Cape Town weather you having 8)
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Post by: gcr on January 30, 2015, 03:25:36 pm
Patrick - be a good lad and plug in a price for my Cashbuild and with a bit of luck I could move up the log
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 30, 2015, 04:12:31 pm
Miserable and rainy here keeping us indoors.

So what's the problem? I see a log fire, red wine.  Sounds pretty good to me.
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Post by: RMA on February 02, 2015, 10:05:16 am
jasco
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Post by: Orca on February 04, 2015, 11:53:12 am
SNV shooting lights out big time.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2015, 02:11:59 pm
SNV cannot shoot the lights out, Eskom switched it off :)
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Post by: Orca on February 04, 2015, 06:21:35 pm
:-(
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Post by: che on February 05, 2015, 03:59:11 pm
telkom
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Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2015, 06:07:22 pm
Losing Focus :'(
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Post by: Orca on February 09, 2015, 08:10:24 pm
Time for your tiblets?
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Post by: Fanus on February 11, 2015, 03:25:05 pm
PTXTEN price is out everywhere. If it's not I'm rich!
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2015, 05:37:01 pm
Rand gettin hammered
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Post by: The Trader on February 12, 2015, 10:02:35 am
PTXTEN price is out everywhere. If it's not I'm rich!

Well done, how did you know ?
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Post by: Fanus on February 12, 2015, 10:44:12 am
I just wanted property in my portfolio and then it spiked so I took profits.
I will probably buy PropTrax 10 again if I sell anything.
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Post by: Orca on February 12, 2015, 04:42:43 pm
Oh dear. CML broke through the support.
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Post by: Orca on February 12, 2015, 09:51:59 pm
Once again. Oh dear. Now you guys are living in a Banana Republic.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2015, 08:17:22 am
Yes, very sad .....
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Post by: Patrick on February 13, 2015, 10:09:26 pm
Still planning on keeping your investments here Orca?
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Post by: Orca on February 15, 2015, 11:00:12 pm
Looking at buying property here and keeping the rest in SA as I don't know the markets in the EU.
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Post by: Orca on February 16, 2015, 04:40:25 pm
CML defies gravity. :)
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Post by: Orca on February 17, 2015, 09:03:38 pm
MACD for CML made a Buy signal but this was not confirmed by a good body green candle today. :(
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Post by: Moonraker on February 18, 2015, 12:14:47 pm
For Orca: MTA  Headline earnings per share to be between 32.42% and 39.27% higher
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Post by: Orca on February 18, 2015, 05:35:05 pm
MTA's batteries are charged. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2015, 05:42:10 pm
Orca, please give us your yearly CML prediction. Where will it end  , u think, 2015.
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Post by: Orca on February 18, 2015, 10:43:35 pm
Done and the wine is good here in Portugal.
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Post by: gcr on February 19, 2015, 12:27:35 am
MTA's batteries are charged. :)
The share price movement is very lethargic, I have held a few thousand of these shares since September 2012 and the current price over initial purchase price has shown only 17.2% growth and it increased today by 9.3%.
So maybe come September 2015 I will look to exiting this counter as there seem to be better counters to be invested in
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Post by: Junz on February 19, 2015, 08:45:20 am
whl
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Post by: Orca on February 19, 2015, 10:09:34 am
Buying Mutlu was her downfall. Too much political unrest around Turkey.
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Post by: Orca on February 19, 2015, 01:37:45 pm
STPROP anomaly in the challenge.
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Post by: Orca on February 19, 2015, 10:38:32 pm
I'm shouting but not heard.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 20, 2015, 08:33:57 am
Thanks Orca :)
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Post by: Fanus on February 20, 2015, 04:08:37 pm
My PTXTEN gains were reversed. Same should be done for STPROP
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Post by: Orca on February 20, 2015, 07:12:01 pm
Looking at the chart, I see it made an artificial price spike that was quickly reversed. I think you took advantage of the time lap.
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Post by: Fanus on February 23, 2015, 01:55:10 pm
And so did STPROP
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Post by: Orca on February 23, 2015, 03:06:52 pm
I did report STPROP to P. but it's a difficult call. This one should be removed as the price often moves widely and this can be taken advantage of. Over 20% in 1 day.
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Post by: Orca on February 23, 2015, 11:50:08 pm
P is not here. He must be between some rocks and hard places without internet.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2015, 07:56:38 am
Seems that there is not many people here :'( we are talking to ourselves..
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2015, 07:58:49 am
See darkside is also not many that talks...
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Post by: Patrick on February 24, 2015, 08:45:38 am
I'm around, but only on a phone until Monday. Leave over then until December
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2015, 11:12:29 am
Budget speech today?
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Post by: Patrick on February 25, 2015, 11:37:17 am
Coming up at 2pm
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2015, 02:51:57 pm
No changes were made to capital gains tax (CGT), dividend taxes or estate duty.
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Post by: Orca on February 25, 2015, 04:08:35 pm
Watched it live on YouTube. :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 26, 2015, 09:28:07 am
I think we got off lightly, when they start seriously upping divi and CGT I'll get an exit plan ready...
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Post by: AdriaanG on February 26, 2015, 12:30:46 pm
ASSORE are doing their name justice!
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Post by: gcr on February 26, 2015, 01:25:58 pm
I think we got off lightly, when they start seriously upping divi and CGT I'll get an exit plan ready...
I hardly think we got off lightly - tax increased against the backdrop of rampant theft of tax payer monies and no penalties or prosecutions on the cards. Petrol will go up at least 90 cents a litre from next month and then in April by a further 80.5 cents per litre for levies, and whatever increase in the fuel price. Then to top it off there is no change in the budget to accommodate a reduction in e toll fees.
So I don't believe tax payers have been fairly dealt with in this budget at all, it merely says the government will continue to waste tax payer monies, and take no action against corruption, fraud and theft.
There should be a revolt by the people who receive old age pensions, and, grants - because their pensions/grants are compromised by the theft of state funds by the employees in state organisations
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2015, 01:37:01 pm
Agree
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Post by: Moonraker on February 26, 2015, 01:43:18 pm
Read this (my sentiments exactly). http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-safm-market-update/budget-panel-discussion-chris-hart-melanie-millesk
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Post by: Moonraker on February 26, 2015, 07:58:06 pm
APN Trading update on SENS :)
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Post by: Orca on February 27, 2015, 10:02:16 am
Why APN down 3% after good SENS?
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Post by: Moonraker on February 27, 2015, 12:21:31 pm
Maybe slightly less than expected, but not bad at all considering forex hit
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2015, 12:35:08 pm
Mr Bond what is your thoughts on AVL ?
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Post by: Moonraker on February 27, 2015, 01:33:42 pm
I don't know about AVL. MDC is in my LT portfolio.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2015, 02:24:00 pm
Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2015, 12:06:17 pm
Hello everyone... My leave is finished :(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2015, 12:12:30 pm
What is that ?
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Post by: gcr on March 02, 2015, 03:54:11 pm
Don't know if any of you access Moneyweb, but, all day they have had an epic fail with the launch of the new web page and its layout. Can't comment on any of their articles, which is a shame as by and far the most interesting section is reading the variety of comments. This whole episode must hurt their business severely
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2015, 04:02:02 pm
Yes I was wondering what is wrong. Thought running out of airtime on tablet
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Post by: Moonraker on March 02, 2015, 04:14:31 pm
Can Rolfes (RLF) be added under Buy Shares ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2015, 09:44:28 pm
@gcr, I noticed that with moneyweb, surely someone in their tech department is feeling the pressure... Btw, I quite like your comments on the articles there.
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2015, 09:45:02 pm
@moon, any idea how often RLF trades per day?
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Post by: gcr on March 02, 2015, 09:57:47 pm
@gcr, I noticed that with moneyweb, surely someone in their tech department is feeling the pressure... Btw, I quite like your comments on the articles there.
Patrick - with all due respect to you and your career calling. I have yet to find an IT person who understands the clients needs, nor do they have the capability to implement anything remotely close to the clients needs. When I cobol coding in the 70's our lecturer made the statement " there is nothing a computer can't do, the only limitation is the programmer", I have tended to keep this dear to my heart.
No reflection on you but most programmers lack the knowledge of the business within which they operate.
With both my sons I insisted that they take business administration, accountancy and computer appreciation (both did their MSC first) for their B. Comm degrees - at least they understand business requirements and can argue with the propeller heads when they sink into their jargon state of mind and tell you it can't be done.
There you have it my rant about IT people - but don't feel put out because I have the same views about Architects and QS's
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Post by: Moonraker on March 03, 2015, 08:02:45 am
@moon, any idea how often RLF trades per day?

Seems good for inclusion ? See screenie.

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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2015, 09:59:25 am
Done
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Post by: Wallie on March 03, 2015, 01:27:47 pm
telkom
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2015, 03:33:09 pm
Advanced Warfare sucks :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2015, 03:42:53 pm
Sticks and stones ?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2015, 03:56:12 pm
n0, ThAt wILL brEAk My comPUTeR sCreEN...
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Post by: The Alphaaa on March 05, 2015, 01:41:06 pm
the alpha
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Post by: The Alphaaa on March 05, 2015, 02:17:20 pm
the alpha
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Post by: Orca on March 05, 2015, 10:20:12 pm
Geez. More posts after hours than during hours.
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Post by: gcr on March 06, 2015, 10:06:42 am
Geez. More posts after hours than during hours.
Could that be a measure of improved productivity? :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on March 06, 2015, 01:06:13 pm
TOR HEPS up 118%
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2015, 03:39:13 pm
Rant ..... :'(
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2015, 05:01:27 pm
Why are you ranting on this forum jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2015, 08:46:04 am
Cause I went shopping on friday, and JSE has red hanger sale today :'(
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Post by: Supersonicbaron on March 09, 2015, 12:26:30 pm

Cause I went shopping on friday, and JSE has red hanger sale today :'(

So what exactly has caused this sale ? All I see is red and one or two greens


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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2015, 12:33:02 pm
U.S. jobs data fanned expectations that the U.S. Federal Reserve may raise interest rates sooner than previously thought.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2015, 12:59:45 pm
Yip, my policy still intact, buy high sell low.. :'(
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2015, 04:41:19 pm
Do you reduce your income by trading losses come tax time?
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Post by: Orca on March 09, 2015, 06:22:43 pm
Yes. Every year.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 09:10:18 am
Any1 using Moneyweb app Moneytalk?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 10, 2015, 11:59:19 am
no, do you?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 01:58:15 pm
Ohh, hello MP. thought u were on mission with Mr Bond. Yes I use it but not working..
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 01:59:13 pm
Rant getting hammered .. :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 10, 2015, 02:04:42 pm
Yes jaDEB, we were undercover, very hush-hush.
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2015, 02:12:59 pm
€/ZAR still ok. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 02:20:53 pm
While u undercover, fix rand, and get the oil price back up to 100$
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2015, 03:08:24 pm
Wat ek op sharechat gesê het..

The US payrolls figure was much stronger than even the most optimistic forecasts, making it almost certain that the Fed will embark on increasing the Fed funds rate around mid year, maybe later but certainly in 2015 rather than 2016.
The pressure to follow with rates increases by our reserve bank will manifest itself sooner than thought to ameliorate further declines in the Rand.
Bond yields have reacted as soon as the payrolls figure was released, with the R186 long bond yield increasing from ± 7,70/75% to nearly 8%.
This is not good news for stocks, especially REITS with only local properties in their portfolios. They have reacted to the news by dropping around 3% from the previous day's prices. (They are interest rate sensitive, and closely correlated with bond yields).
So, we are in for rough times, especially for the 'SA Inc.' stocks. Rand hedges should fare better. Resources, all priced in US dollars, will also be affected and it remains to be seen whether a 'booming' US economy is enough to offset the downward revision in China's GDP figure to 7% for 2015.
Expecting some repatriation of overseas investments from our market.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 03:54:10 pm
Dankie Mr Bond .
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2015, 04:27:31 pm
Frikkie kry pakslae ...
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 10, 2015, 05:10:37 pm
Wie is Frikkie, ek ken hom nie?
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2015, 05:19:49 pm
I think I'm a frikkie... Went shopping 2 weeks ago.... But my house money comes in 4-8 wells, so maybe it's a well timed dip...
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2015, 06:26:02 pm
Weet nie, maar ek dink vandag is ons almal frikkies.
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Post by: gcr on March 10, 2015, 08:06:42 pm
My concern is the rate of the Rand's decline against the dollar. With the new levies coming in on April 1, on petrol, and this decline we will be paying more at the fuel pump - which will negate all the benefits we have gained in the oil price - going to be painful in the next 9 months of the year and taxes have gone up. I always thought that one strived for a win - win situation rather than a lose - lose situation
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2015, 08:06:38 am
Frikkie is one of the voices in my heads. Sort of my financial  adviser
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Post by: The Trader on March 11, 2015, 08:12:46 am
Rand is pretty stretched now. Should start to come back a little, perhaps to 11.80. But trend is not good. Either way we are going to pay more for fuel when BFP price gets calculated next month. 
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2015, 11:36:11 am
NPN :)
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Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2015, 02:40:27 pm
An ETF at the top of the chart...
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Post by: jay8mac on March 11, 2015, 07:36:57 pm
Heeeeey....this market ain't loyal
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Post by: Orca on March 11, 2015, 10:15:03 pm
Well, we have been in a bull market for 7 years.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2015, 08:53:30 am
MoneyPenny where do u get the new high / new low of a share you use to post under today outlook?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 12, 2015, 11:40:06 am
Sharenet emails me at closing cause I'm kinda special, but I think it is on their web page as well. ;-)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2015, 12:31:57 pm
Thanks MP
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 13, 2015, 10:04:20 am
;-)
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Post by: jloubser on March 13, 2015, 08:48:49 pm
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2015, 12:26:55 pm
Bounced back quite nicely today...
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Post by: Orca on March 16, 2015, 05:53:18 pm
CML--- yes, it did.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 17, 2015, 02:47:59 pm
The remaining Fragile Five has made much less progress. Morgan Stanley says Turkey has completed no more than 10 percent of recommended reforms, Brazil 15 percent and South Africa barely anything.

Current-accounts shortfalls and inflation remain high in each and politics in the form of a widening corruption scandal at Petroleo Brasileiro SA in Brazil and lawmaker pressure on Turkey’s central bank are worrying investors. Such an environment has reduced their ability to cut interest rates and Brazil and South Africa may even hike them this year.
 (Bloomberg 17/3/15)
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Post by: Orca on March 17, 2015, 11:27:42 pm
Imara gave a BUY for CML at 9840 and that is where she closed.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2015, 09:59:57 am
What time is FED statement today?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 18, 2015, 10:46:12 am
20:00 FOMC Statement & 20:30 Yellen
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2015, 11:04:55 am
THANKS
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2015, 11:05:08 am
Sry I mean, Thanks.
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Post by: Patrick on March 18, 2015, 02:32:32 pm
CML has been all over the show lately. Now sitting at 9836.
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Post by: Orca on March 18, 2015, 05:19:17 pm
We will see 105 for CML soon.
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Post by: Orca on March 18, 2015, 05:20:13 pm
Sorry. That is Rands.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2015, 09:04:29 am
Mr Bond, please have a look at 10c under NPN and give me your input.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2015, 11:50:01 am
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on March 19, 2015, 01:08:26 pm
Wonder what caused that massive spike at 12.15 on most stocks today?
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Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2015, 01:12:06 pm
Caught me by surprise too Orca. No idea why yet.
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Post by: chang9015 on March 19, 2015, 01:28:30 pm
US Fed report?
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Post by: Orca on March 19, 2015, 02:11:41 pm
Spike on Volume not so much as on price.
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Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2015, 02:15:27 pm
There was a price spike too though. The indi was up around 1.4% at one stage, currently up 1%.
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Post by: Orca on March 19, 2015, 02:29:44 pm
Got it. No trades recorded from 11.59.59 to 12.15.00.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2015, 02:50:16 pm
Ass is up 20% :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 19, 2015, 03:07:20 pm
Say what now?   Oh I see, 745 065 shares R 91 961 651.85 up 21.31%.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2015, 09:27:34 am
Just stay above 1800 frikkin please ...... then we will get ready for next run...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2015, 09:33:20 am
Sun International to buy Peermont
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2015, 10:15:55 am
Ag frikkit, time for some Carpenters music :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 20, 2015, 01:11:20 pm
Not Abba?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2015, 01:20:46 pm
Not ABBA, my fishies, OCE, is hurting me :'(
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Post by: Patrick on March 20, 2015, 03:47:08 pm
Cml is hurting me...
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Post by: Orca on March 20, 2015, 03:54:46 pm
On the bottom BB so Monday she will be back up.
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Post by: Patrick on March 23, 2015, 02:42:39 pm
So, who's going to take the match tomorrow morning?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2015, 04:00:15 pm
RSA - Please - pretty please, those NZ looked so full of them selves on Saterday against WI.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2015, 04:13:47 pm
APN :'(
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Post by: JDP on March 23, 2015, 04:21:34 pm
APN Buy?? or wait for 37000 if it ever gets there??
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2015, 04:40:50 pm
Have no Idea, cannot see why it is down so much. I bought above R400
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Post by: Moonraker on March 23, 2015, 06:43:42 pm
I reckon it's a buy at these levels.
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Post by: JDP on March 24, 2015, 11:31:53 am
Anyone know of ratings downgrade on APN, mentioned in another forum, but i cant find anything about it online?
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Post by: Imran on March 24, 2015, 12:31:32 pm
Anyone here own shares in Conduit Capital?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 24, 2015, 12:57:31 pm
Not at the moment but I've been watching them, waiting for opportune moment to go in, I like them.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2015, 05:59:24 pm
APN-all i have noticed is it never use to be in the top value trade shares, now it is every now and then.
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Post by: Patrick on March 25, 2015, 12:45:14 pm
I see Conduit has you charging up the leaderboard MP!
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 25, 2015, 01:34:20 pm
Yeah well, we do try. ;-) but with 150 000 plus shares, I'm going to bounce all over the place.
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Post by: Patrick on March 26, 2015, 08:33:34 am
I see Capitec is having an astounding year. Anone here own it?
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Post by: JDP on March 26, 2015, 10:12:04 am
Yes i have some, in total up 70% since i bought in October 2014.
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Post by: Nivek on March 26, 2015, 12:58:17 pm
Excellent purchase JDP, what made you go for them?
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Post by: JDP on March 26, 2015, 02:43:26 pm
I read and article about them written by Simon Brown.

Basically he was saying that they are eating the other BIG BANKS lunch, by taking away clients from them left right and centre, due to the costs of banking
that the BIG boys are asking etc. and this is besides there loan section, so I investigate them from there and went for it. Very happy that I did  :TU:
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Post by: JDP on March 26, 2015, 04:36:27 pm
if MTN goes sub 200, im topping up.
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Post by: Itut on March 27, 2015, 10:27:48 am
I see Capitec is having an astounding year. Anone here own it?

It's mine!  ;D :-[ :P
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Post by: The Alphaaa on March 27, 2015, 10:36:32 am
fowrdcurve
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Post by: Patrick on March 27, 2015, 10:41:47 am
In real life as well as the game Itut?
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Post by: Itut on March 27, 2015, 11:30:25 am
In real life? No. I wish. @Patrick
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Post by: Patrick on March 29, 2015, 05:02:12 pm
Ask Moneypenny for a loan :)
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Post by: Orca on March 29, 2015, 10:56:51 pm
Yes griffin. That will teach you to stay out of mining stocks.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 30, 2015, 08:31:28 am
@P:  He should make it snappy, I'm speculative. ;-)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 30, 2015, 08:37:43 am
Remember since yesterday, Europe is 1hr behind us, not 2, winter is on us.  :(
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Post by: Orca on March 30, 2015, 10:44:31 am
My laptop, tablet and cell phones changed but not my wristwatch and wall clock. Strange.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2015, 01:09:31 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2015, 04:39:57 pm
I have noticed, NPN if NPN starts with a bang, it tends to come back in the afternoon, thus when u buy do it after 3PM...lol
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2015, 07:58:03 pm
Now try make a profit out of that fact!
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Post by: gcr on March 30, 2015, 09:37:45 pm
What's happening in the market today and tomorrow is window dressing - end of a quarter for fund managers and they want to show their customers managed portfolios, trump non managed funds. Buy not before Wednesday or Thursday this week with your new allocation of R 100,000 on Wednesday for the competition 
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Post by: The Alphaaa on March 31, 2015, 01:53:11 pm
nmnguni2406
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Post by: The Alphaaa on March 31, 2015, 02:35:44 pm
thebe investor challenge
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2015, 03:06:03 pm
Link?
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Post by: Neuk on April 01, 2015, 09:53:44 am
sasol
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2015, 01:49:04 pm
@griffin. In competition I am down at bottom, thus need to do something to kick MP @ss, real life, I am scared for resources.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2015, 03:23:50 pm
Sorry in real life or Comp ?
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Post by: ngoria on April 01, 2015, 03:56:21 pm
Sekunjalo
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 01, 2015, 04:10:52 pm
@jD:  Pffft, :o  Tell me about it.... stud.
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Post by: Itut on April 01, 2015, 04:15:50 pm
The road to Rank 1 is going to be tough! Easy... & wedh... are looking too strong to overtake!
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2015, 04:36:22 pm
CML saw the BUY on the MACD Monday and complied.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2015, 06:03:16 pm
MTN traded Top value, not NPN, what the hell .... !!
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Post by: Patrick on April 02, 2015, 10:27:09 am
Capitec up 26% in march
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Post by: Orca on April 02, 2015, 10:46:43 am
Jip and will continue to rise as metrics on the banking sector are all bullish.
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Post by: Orca on April 02, 2015, 10:48:17 am
KIO. A future penny stock on ALTX.
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Post by: ninjac on April 03, 2015, 10:30:47 pm
Firstrand
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Post by: che on April 07, 2015, 09:27:13 am
telkom
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Post by: Datura on April 07, 2015, 12:15:51 pm
wth caused the BLU drop
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Post by: Orca on April 07, 2015, 01:14:33 pm
Volatility of low price stocks caused it.
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Post by: Datura on April 07, 2015, 01:19:56 pm
I'm still a newb.  A lot to learn :)  Thanks for the response though.  Was very weird for me to see how it was all over the place...
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Post by: Datura on April 07, 2015, 01:23:37 pm
Gambling with Platinum.  Not sure how India's increase in demand will effect it in the next year but surely it must.  Y/n/m?
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Post by: 6x9base13 on April 07, 2015, 01:54:23 pm
tongaa
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Post by: OnePowerfulCorsa on April 07, 2015, 04:22:52 pm
Has Calgro really not had any movement today?
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Post by: Orca on April 07, 2015, 05:39:23 pm
@Datura. Leave resources and commodities alone. They are in my opinion for trading short term only. 
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Post by: Datura on April 08, 2015, 09:39:10 am
Thanks.
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Post by: benched68 on April 08, 2015, 10:19:44 am
tbs, long
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Post by: The Alphaaa on April 09, 2015, 08:56:09 am
thebe investor challenge
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Post by: The Alphaaa on April 09, 2015, 09:58:14 am
mo-jazz
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Post by: The Alphaaa on April 09, 2015, 09:58:51 am
mo-Jazz
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Post by: The Alphaaa on April 09, 2015, 10:32:28 am
tumishokomane
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Post by: The Alphaaa on April 09, 2015, 12:09:18 pm
Mo-Jazz
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Post by: Patrick on April 10, 2015, 09:02:13 am
So when you sell your house for 1.32M, you only get out 1.23M after the agents, lawyers, banks and government take their share :(
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2015, 09:20:59 am
NPN clapped the R2000 lvl ... :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2015, 10:57:28 am
I've been watching the INDI flying up today :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2015, 12:40:18 pm
daMmIt, sTay aBOve R2000.00 pLeASe .. !!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2015, 03:02:37 pm
lol, I is last on the darkside ....
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Post by: maximillan.moyo on April 13, 2015, 03:53:48 pm
can NPN reach 2500?????
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Post by: maximillan.moyo on April 13, 2015, 04:10:52 pm
is NPN worth buying or is it too expensive now??
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2015, 04:42:33 pm
@qriffin, yes changed to DRD in competition..
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Post by: jaDEB on April 14, 2015, 10:20:53 am
Damn, u cannot open any website this morning without some1 writing about NPN or 10c, what have they been doing, watching D-Stv ?
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Post by: vannessa on April 14, 2015, 02:07:09 pm
telkom
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Post by: Patrick on April 15, 2015, 03:42:19 am
I always wonder if they tell anyone they're about to sell. Huge opportunity for someone to make a killing through shorting...
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Post by: Patrick on April 15, 2015, 09:24:59 am
Chairman selling off stocks... If they tell anyone there could be a lot of money to be made...
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 15, 2015, 09:36:06 am
Lol, that's called insider trading, not worth it.
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on April 15, 2015, 11:05:51 am
Guys who won last year's Investor Challenge ?
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Post by: Patrick on April 15, 2015, 11:29:40 am
It was Imran, with 99.94% groth. Take a look here: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_rankings.php?year=2014
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Post by: letlhogonolo on April 16, 2015, 11:30:18 am
Sasol, what a jump
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Post by: gcr on April 16, 2015, 02:19:11 pm
Here's an interesting situation for all those people who really think they are going to make millions from playing with penny stocks.
I took a gamble on Nutrition Holdings (NUT) and over time bought 1.5 million shares all at 1 cent. Today they have traded at 4 cents a share and given my costs to purchase my profit would be R 44,850 if I could sell my entire holdings today. A sizeable profit in any terms, but here's the problem - if I try and unload 1.5 mil. shares in one hit I am either going to end up selling off part sales and incurring brokerage on each closed deal and I may well not get to the point where all sales fall in one day. So to unload such a holding will eat into my profit significantly, there is another danger because those people who watch the density of shares would see a holder of the stock selling a substantial holding and there is every chance this will depress the market to some extent
Anyway I believe this share will still go higher and I have already placed orders to sell at a figure considerably above the current 4 cents, so will just wait and see and if I get my prices I will let the forum know of my eureka moment, but then again it may in the short term swing the other way
So if you play with penny stock write the costs off immediately you purchase them, as you are more likely to lose money on them rather than get great returns :LHST: 
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Post by: Nivek on April 16, 2015, 03:59:03 pm
Sasol, what a jump
Rose pretty much in line with the oil price.
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2015, 04:29:52 pm
@gcr, if you transferred those holdings to easy equities, you wouldn't have any minimum fees. That means you could sell a few without huge transaction costs.
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Post by: gcr on April 16, 2015, 09:13:03 pm
@gcr, if you transferred those holdings to easy equities, you wouldn't have any minimum fees. That means you could sell a few without huge transaction costs.
And my holdings with them would raise what sort of charges? - currently I enjoy no holding or admin charges with my brokers other than conventional scrip sales/purchase charges
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Post by: Patrick on April 16, 2015, 09:34:58 pm
0 annual and holding fees, and just 0.25% commision with no minimum brokerage fee. You'll have to pay you broker to move the holding out thugh, ABSA charges R170 per share.
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Post by: gcr on April 17, 2015, 10:09:14 am
0 annual and holding fees, and just 0.25% commision with no minimum brokerage fee. You'll have to pay you broker to move the holding out thugh, ABSA charges R170 per share.
So there is no value switching - as I said I don't pay charges now, and there is the switching charge to another broker
Will stay as I am
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2015, 08:13:25 pm
@gcr, the only benefit would be being able to offload your penny shares in small increments. I'd only switch that share.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 21, 2015, 10:56:16 am
So by the way, Stage 5 Loadshedding implemented... Stage 5 loadshedding is when Eskom comes to your house and blows out your candles and removes the batteries from your torch.
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Post by: Orca on April 21, 2015, 02:01:16 pm
Watch ADI run. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2015, 10:21:28 am
damn, Ass is all over the place .
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 22, 2015, 10:56:32 am
That's what he said. I assume you meant Asr, high 10945, low 10213.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2015, 10:57:41 am
Yip, Assore :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 22, 2015, 10:59:16 am
Thought so :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 22, 2015, 08:29:00 pm
This is so annoying, 10th consecutive night without electricity. 20:00 to 22:30. Should have stayed in London, why oh why did I return?
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Post by: gcr on April 22, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
Where do you stay that they have not heard of rolling black outs as opposed to fixed time black outs
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Post by: Imran on April 22, 2015, 10:51:29 pm
Whats the tax rate in the challenge?
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Post by: Patrick on April 23, 2015, 01:05:22 am
30%
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2015, 08:11:33 am
@MP, I load my tablet then during load shedding catch up on my movies. Busy watching Steven Hawkings movie...
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on April 23, 2015, 08:15:53 am
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This is so annoying, 10th consecutive night without electricity. 20:00 to 22:30. Should have stayed in London, why oh why did I return?

The weather. Definitely the weather.

BTW a cheapish 500w inverter (around R1000) attached to you car battery and run through to your tv with extensions, should at least keep your TV/DSTV going for a few hours.
 ;)
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Post by: Patrick on April 23, 2015, 08:36:54 am
Here's a tip, most ADSL routers run on 12v, so either buy a small rechargeable 12v battery, or get a looong extension lead from your car battery.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 23, 2015, 09:11:39 am
@g:  It is stage one additional starting at 17:00 to accommodate winter usage.  I have no issues with sharing but ffs rotate the evening schedule.  I'm in Pretoria, if you see it burn one evening on the news, know it was me. ;-)  Working myself up in frenzy again, deep breaths let it go.  @ jaDEB,  We've  watched movies on tablets, even played space invaders and pinball and other apps, browsing, being uncharacteristically active on social media, but still, it gets old very soon and my rooter is gone, so have to use cell as hotspot, usually 3G.  Even gym schedule screwed, I usually train weights in morning and cardio in evening, problem is everybody knows its lights out at 20:00, so those who gym 20:00–21:30 have to go earlier, very crowded. @MrD, you’re so right, it’s the weather, and just wonder if this is our lot for the rest of the winter.  My husband started looking at ‘solarising’ our home last week, he works in Jhb, only sees me in the dark, not working for him, lol.  @P, no I did not know that one, sounds like camping – which I hate by the way, but beggars can’t be choosers I guess, thanks for the tip. ;-) I'm feeling better now, done ranting. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2015, 10:51:54 am
my problem I have a Tropical tank, I is going to k@k in winter. but Fu#$ them....
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Post by: Orca on April 23, 2015, 04:31:22 pm
Why KIO going up?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2015, 05:34:14 pm
ASR also up, suppose some good news for Iron Ore ?
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Post by: Bevan on April 24, 2015, 07:48:01 am
Price of iron ore (Platts 62.5% Fe CIF China) "soared" on Wednesday from $48.50 to $52.90 on Singapore Exchange. Still some way down from circa $145 a year or so ago. Export parity FOT prices at Sishen are likely around R280 per tonne for Kumba. Can't see how they are making money at those prices.
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Post by: Patrick on April 24, 2015, 10:51:48 am
The indi is over R70 for the first time.
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Post by: Orca on April 24, 2015, 11:11:18 pm
No but it looks like a good short but I have learned my lesson with shorting.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on April 25, 2015, 06:24:01 am
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Anyone want to join me shorting KIO on Monday P/T R100

You going to be the only one in SA shorting KIO on Monday.

The rest will be enjoying the holiday.
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Post by: Patrick on April 25, 2015, 09:42:42 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2015, 08:57:58 am
Hello All
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Post by: Nivek on April 28, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Morning, I see you're also at work this week jaDEB.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2015, 09:29:58 am
Yip .. :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 09:48:51 am
There pops griffin's KIO short.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 28, 2015, 12:57:41 pm
Visiting vineyards in WCape this week, no work, all fun for me. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2015, 01:40:59 pm
:"(
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 03:24:07 pm
Yes, but unlike you, most of the time I am wrong.
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 03:27:34 pm
Hoping for Trading Statement SENS for CML this week.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2015, 03:55:43 pm
:)
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on April 28, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
:'D forums will never change :P
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 04:00:18 pm
@qriffin. My apologies. I did not mean it in that way. My choices have been bad lately.
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 04:05:33 pm
You can "smite" me if you want. :(
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2015, 04:14:08 pm
Rant @ R11.86  ...  
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2015, 04:43:49 pm
CML SENS out and dropped 10% in 5 minutes.
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Post by: Bevan on April 29, 2015, 10:01:51 am
qriffin, rather use http://www.sgx.com/wps/portal/sgxweb/home/products/asiaclear/bulk/iron
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Post by: Bevan on April 29, 2015, 10:02:17 am
then click "clearing & data" and then "daily settlement prices"
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2015, 02:10:33 pm
AVL :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2015, 05:41:13 pm
Do not drop the ball ... knobb .. !!!
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Post by: Orca on April 30, 2015, 12:52:00 pm
TFSA - Tax Free Savings Account.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2015, 01:08:45 pm
thanks
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2015, 02:01:59 pm
Is Mr Bond and MoneyPenny on a mission ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 30, 2015, 03:16:36 pm
@jD:  /cough/ An impossible one it seems. ;)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 30, 2015, 03:18:09 pm
@Patrick: I've closed some positions on IC earlier today, when does it usually reflect in trading ac?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2015, 03:23:14 pm
OCE   :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 30, 2015, 10:11:14 pm
@moneypenny, usually takes 15 minutes, I can see your sale of CND.
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Post by: Imran on May 03, 2015, 01:26:26 am
Anybody here consider Stellar Capital Partners? Same team who put Torre Industries together are involved in it. Currently has a NAV of R 560 mil according to an interview with the CEO I watch , that gives a value of R 2 per share. The current assets are however quite lousy (Goliath Gold, Mine Restoration etc.) but in time they'll probably sell these and build a much stronger portfolio.
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Post by: Imran on May 03, 2015, 01:39:15 pm
Towards the end of last year Christo Wiese sold all his lousy assets into Convergenet in exchange for shares at R 2.50 a share (Mine Restoration, Goliath Gold, Digicor and Tellumat, although I do believe Digicor and Tellumat have got some value). They then did a share placement and raised R 150 mil at R 2 a share. Management got shuffled, they renamed the company and moved from the technology sector of the JSE to the investments holdings sector. Oh ya and Mr Wiese is now a 28% share holder. They recently spent R 50 mil to buy out BlackStar groups 16% stake in Cadiz.
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Post by: Patrick on May 04, 2015, 08:59:56 am
Lot's of new members this weekend, not sure why but welcome all.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 04, 2015, 09:16:04 am
Orca posted on Darkside about CML  :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 04, 2015, 10:11:53 am
Lot's of new members this weekend, not sure why but welcome all.

People want to see the Master Class I am giving on How Not To Invest.

 :D
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Post by: Patrick on May 04, 2015, 11:52:28 am
Anyone know what a brokers trustee fee is? I have the following lines on my account and I don't know what they're for. It's not for an admin fee as that one is called ADMIN FEES. Could it be related to the interest perhaps, as the amount changes depending on how much interest I pay. Anyone?
2015-04-30 JOURNAL GROSS INTEREST 15/03/28-15/04/30 R1,690.54CR R5,054.01CR
2015-04-30 JOURNAL BROKER TRUSTEES FEE R256.05DR R4,797.96CR
2015-04-30 JOURNAL VAT @ 14,00% R35.85DR R4,762.11CR
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Post by: gcr on May 04, 2015, 12:13:35 pm
I think all brokers are charging these fees - I am with Nedbank and there was an explanation some time back, I will see if I can find what they said this was a result of - what I do recall is that it is taken by the all consuming government (including the VAT)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 04, 2015, 01:44:55 pm
I also have it. But mine is small amount, packet of smokes :)
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Post by: ntshizat on May 05, 2015, 09:06:14 am
any idea on wer one can put away 20k
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Post by: Patrick on May 05, 2015, 09:18:35 am
Hi Ntshizat, how long do you want to put it away for? Are you putting any money into a tax free savings account yet? If you aren't that's a good option for the long term. Some details here: http://investorchallenge.co.za/lets-all-be-guilty-of-tax-avoidanc
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Post by: ntshizat on May 05, 2015, 09:36:53 am
Hi Patrick am putting away 2000 in tax free savings via old mutual since april. For 20 k am looking to put it away for long be it in unit trusts or shares
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Post by: Patrick on May 05, 2015, 10:40:22 am
Now while I'm not a licensed financial advisor, so I'm not allowed to tell you what to do, I can tell you what I do. I think unit trusts are too expensive, I wrote a blog about it actually. Instead I have an account with easy equities, and I use that to buy the satrix indi. It's done very very well over it's lifetime, and I expect it to keep doing better than the general South African market. Perhaps start a post in the shares forum and people will offer more advice.
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Post by: ntshizat on May 05, 2015, 10:58:48 am
thanks alot admin
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Post by: Orca on May 05, 2015, 11:45:18 am
NEWFSA was included at an anomalous price in the competition.
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Post by: Patrick on May 05, 2015, 02:02:18 pm
Yes I see that, I'll look into it.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2015, 04:50:51 pm
Can some1 please give APN some drugs......  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2015, 05:10:33 pm
At least my buy high, sell low philosophy is still intact.
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Post by: Orca on May 05, 2015, 07:56:10 pm
APN is in a downtrend so stay out. No reversal in sight yet.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2015, 12:43:37 pm
Frikkie is getting a Hiding
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2015, 12:59:59 pm
APN down 6% :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2015, 04:10:49 pm
Ass is flying :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2015, 05:07:43 pm
IS alibaba results out tomorrow ?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2015, 05:28:34 pm
@ jaDEB - Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. will announce its earnings for the fiscal fourth quarter ended March 31 on Thursday before the U.S. market opens
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 08:36:16 am
Hold thumbs for alibab good results - then NPN will go up I hope
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 08:48:57 am
Alibaba & 10c is Chinese internet companies
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 08:49:25 am
Sry Morning qriffin.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 08:57:49 am
they are in competition
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 09:00:56 am
qriffin check -
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 09:01:00 am
http://www.sasol.com/investor-centre/financial-reporting/business-performance-metrics
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Post by: Patrick on May 07, 2015, 09:32:41 am
:(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 10:08:19 am
:(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 10:14:01 am
Frikkie getting hiding 2nd day in row.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 07, 2015, 10:19:28 am
Ouch.

Think it's time to take a week off from looking at shares - looks like we going through a small correction - have no intention of selling, but watching my net worth being eroded is no fun ether  :(

See you next week

 :D
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 10:22:58 am
Nooooo   do not go ...... stay away from high places !!!
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 07, 2015, 11:05:14 am
Come-on, where's your fighting spirit?  :o
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 07, 2015, 11:57:08 am
Ouch.

Think it's time to take a week off from looking at shares - looks like we going through a small correction - have no intention of selling, but watching my net worth being eroded is no fun ether  :(

See you next week

 :D

Sorry, did I say 2 weeks.

What I mean't to say is "I have guests over so won't be checking on my stocks for 1 and 1/2 hours..."

Err, did I mention my lack of will power.

 :D
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2015, 12:17:09 pm
lol
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Post by: morne1121 on May 07, 2015, 10:16:50 pm
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Post by: Orca on May 07, 2015, 11:05:43 pm
Reuters today predicted -15% to plus 11% by year end.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 08, 2015, 09:40:56 am
UK - Cameron to win. Great news for dual listeds BAT, SAB, MND, RPL £ up to 18.61.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2015, 04:40:06 pm
Why ACL down 7% ?
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2015, 11:56:06 am
So now that my app developing is done for a while, what should I write about next?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 12, 2015, 01:01:36 pm
Investor challenge - leaders & laggards
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Post by: gcr on May 12, 2015, 03:03:35 pm
So now that my app developing is done for a while, what should I write about next?
How about looking at these companies that have failed fallen in to business rescue and how culpable are the directors (those on the board at time of going into rescue and the previous board members who have ducked the ship) is there no recourse against these directors to get hold of their assets if they have taken out huge salaries and or sold of shares to escape getting caught with falling share prices. Some companies are in dire straits, were privatised and now want to come back to the JSE, - Edgars, Sportsman's Warehouse, Alert Steel, Coal of Africa, Gijima,  are just some of the companies who come to mind, but there are hoards more. Really looking at it from the perspective of where the companies have remained silent on conditions within the company, been cagey, directors selling off shares and then announcing the need for business rescue or have been privatised, and where did these director end up in a business sense - got another cushy job, or retired on their pickings   
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2015, 04:18:08 pm
@gcr, yes that is rather sickening. There's probably so much data to go through I'd need more than a month. Though I also suspect you'd be the better writer on that topic. I'd happily publish it if you did!
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Post by: Orca on May 12, 2015, 08:42:13 pm
FTSE 100 drops 2% and global stock markets tumble as the rout of expensive government bonds reignites
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 13, 2015, 09:55:42 am
So now that my app developing is done for a while, what should I write about next?

What happened to stocks in Zimbabwe?

Over the last 20 years including the hyperinflation years - did they hold value against the rand/dollar? If ZA heads south, how safe is our investments? Will dual listed shares be the way to go.

Just had a look at the zim ex website - it's actually quite nice. But trying to figure out on the price quoted for OK http://www.zimbabwe-stock-exchange.com/listed-company/OKZ/ is it 11 US c per share or 11$ per share? They mention a divided of 0.19 cents per share which makes me think it is 11USc - but they then deal in fractions of a cent when dealing - weird. Used to odd numbers when it comes to dividends though.
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Post by: Patrick on May 13, 2015, 10:16:30 am
I like that idea Mr D. I'll look into it for one of my blog posts.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 13, 2015, 02:01:03 pm
10c & NPN :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 13, 2015, 03:25:51 pm
I SAID 10C & NPN ....... *&^%
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Post by: Patrick on May 13, 2015, 04:24:44 pm
Yes, my indi is thanking them too.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 13, 2015, 05:16:31 pm
Look at value traded in NPN :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 14, 2015, 11:18:44 am
naspers
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2015, 08:44:28 am
Thanks Mr Bond & Patrick :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2015, 08:45:03 am
OCE also Results & Cautionary :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2015, 09:42:51 am
OCE :'(
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Post by: Datura on May 15, 2015, 10:00:35 am
My OCE just died :(
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Post by: Patrick on May 15, 2015, 10:10:13 am
Anyone know a good accountant? In jhb perhaps if possible. A collegue is leaving SA and needs to make sure her tax etc is in shape.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 15, 2015, 10:41:54 am
Charl is our guy and has been for years, very proficient, in Pretoria though.

Charl Mocke & Vennote
Midas Ave 17
Olympus, Pretoria
Email: [email protected]
Tel: 0861 268 268 / 012 991 4400
Fax: 0861 268 329 / 012 991 3001

http://prsync.com/cmv-group/cmv-group-one-stop-solution-for-accounting-in-pretoria-gauteng-625606/
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Post by: Patrick on May 15, 2015, 10:59:28 am
Thanks
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Post by: Orca on May 15, 2015, 12:33:53 pm
Hugo van Zyl. SA's top cross border tax CA and lecturer to SARS staff. The mere mention of his name to SARS gets them running. Very approachable and down to earth guy. Saved me plenty money for free.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2015, 12:59:20 pm
@ Datura - OCE real life or competition
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Post by: Patrick on May 15, 2015, 01:06:43 pm
Thanks Orca
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Post by: Datura on May 15, 2015, 01:25:35 pm
Comp
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on May 15, 2015, 04:11:17 pm
I am beginning to think that the only way to do well in this compitition is to limit ones entire shareholding to a few (3) shares. Having good diversification will only ensure that one is not last on the leaderboard, and definitely not first.
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Post by: Patrick on May 15, 2015, 05:17:13 pm
Very true blood burner. Like in real life, higher risk can bring higher reward. Not sure I'd want to put all my real life money into so few shares though.l
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Post by: gcr on May 15, 2015, 06:44:41 pm
I don't know how many people read through the sens notifications out of the JSE daily - I tend to read extensively.
Ryan Otto of Ellies has taken many zero cost collars and many of them have ended up with what I think is a cost to him as the strike price and the execution price are a mismatch. Not sure how he is paying off these losses but I see many of these zero cost collars were "pursuant to a pledge and securities loan arrangement" Do we have a bright spark on this forum who can explain these zero cost collars and whether this Otto fellow is taking a bath or not. Also see that he holds some 8.57% of the companies shares Elli Salkow (the original owner now chairman) hold 29.27% and Mazi Capital - some obscure investment house hold 17.79% of Ellies
Anybody capable of throwing some light on this operation - I used to hold Ellies but got out when they were just over R 3.50 and now they are languishing at 97 cents
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 16, 2015, 09:57:33 pm
Very true blood burner. Like in real life, higher risk can bring higher reward. Not sure I'd want to put all my real life money into so few shares though.l

I am sure rules have been debated - and maybe the way you have it is best. I would be interested to see what the portfolios would be if you where not allowed to spend more than 20% of your total holdings on 1 share. I very quickly fell into the hold one share for big gains bucket - not that it worked for me, I'll be happy now just finishing in the 100's and getting out the 200's.

But then we might debate a person buying 5 junior coal miners and if that was realistic for an investment club - there will always be something!

Have found it very interesting - esp the way the ETF's perform. And kudo's on the programming - I am sure you command top dollar!
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 17, 2015, 08:36:26 pm
Tsk, tsk. Et tu Brute?
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Post by: Orca on May 18, 2015, 12:33:29 am
D Day for CML Monday.
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on May 18, 2015, 06:54:41 am
@GCR, I think its the opposite actually. The collar locks in a trading range and the difference is paid out.:
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on May 18, 2015, 06:55:02 am
@GCR Colalr explinatino: http://www.theoptionsguide.com/costless-collar.aspx
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 18, 2015, 08:17:51 am
Tsk, tsk. Et tu Brute?

Let me suck on my sour lemons in peace...

 :)
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Post by: Bevan on May 18, 2015, 09:07:56 am
... Ryan Otto of Ellies has taken many zero cost collars.....cents

GCR, as a major shareholder of Ellies Ryan would be wanting to protect his downside. He can do this by buying a put e.g. Ellies trading at spot of 120 cents, he would buy a put for a strike of 100 cents (for instance) and pay a premium of 2 cents (for example). However, he wouldn't want to pay this premium over millions of shares so he would then sell a call for a premium of 2 cents, thus making it a zero-cost collar. The strike price for the call would be worked out so that it is worth a premium of 2 cents e.g. strike could be 135 cents. Thus he gets downside protection but is exposed to risk on the upside. However, as he owns physical shares, his upside risk is negated because he can always sell his shares to cover any financial payout he would have to make if the call was exercised.
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Post by: Patrick on May 18, 2015, 11:41:40 am
D Day for CML Monday.
What's supposed to happen with CML today Orca?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 18, 2015, 11:52:52 am
results should be out this week - show me that fat dividend!
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Post by: Orca on May 18, 2015, 12:40:39 pm
Correction. D Day for CML is tomorrow. FY results.
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Post by: Patrick on May 18, 2015, 12:57:59 pm
And kudo's on the programming - I am sure you command top dollar!

I do ok, but I'm paid to be a manager not a developer. I was paid to be a developer, but when you're good at something the powers that be make you stop doing that and start managing people who aren't as good. Makes no sense to me. They should hire a manager who's a good manager, and I'll do what I'm good at. The only other rule that needs to change is the one that says the manager should earn more than technical staff.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 18, 2015, 03:13:13 pm
I use to work with a Rep that was higher paid than manager, was very good in his Job, thus they could not make him manager.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 08:10:18 am
CML results out.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 08:25:28 am
PPC also
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Post by: Patrick on May 19, 2015, 09:02:20 am
Link please jadeb
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 09:24:43 am
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mny_sens/coronation-fund-managers-limited-reviewed-interim-results-for-the-six-months-ended-31-march-2015/
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 10:01:04 am
Please give me a share to add to my watchlist, PLEASE
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 19, 2015, 10:17:56 am
to do what with jaDEB, only to watch?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 10:20:26 am
To watch, the if like switch / buy
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Post by: Bevan on May 19, 2015, 10:23:18 am
jADEB, AECI - undervalued and should outperform long term if oil and gas prices stay low
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 19, 2015, 10:29:46 am
RFG
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 10:50:23 am
jaDEb, also add EOH
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 12:26:48 pm
Nice, my fishies is going off shore :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2015, 12:28:48 pm
OCE
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on May 19, 2015, 05:38:52 pm
i really should have bought Calgro M3 for real...!! :-(
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Post by: Patrick on May 20, 2015, 09:00:52 am
If only foresight was as reliable as hindsight...
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Post by: jaDEB on May 20, 2015, 09:29:00 am
This is awesome site to use "https://itradedata.co.za/index/I_Fullname.htm"
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Post by: Datura on May 20, 2015, 09:44:21 am
Thanks, jaBEB.  That is awesome.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 20, 2015, 12:54:50 pm
Actually some1 else on this forum pasted it. thus cannot take credit for it. Just saying how nice it is.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 20, 2015, 02:27:34 pm
the Consensus Forecasts is also nice.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 20, 2015, 03:10:45 pm
Awesome = me http://shareforum.co.za/shares/my-retirement-blog/msg8198/#msg8198
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Post by: jaDEB on May 20, 2015, 03:32:02 pm
:) - Mr Bond
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Post by: Nivek on May 21, 2015, 10:03:36 am
Who saw the latest re etolls yesterday. No pay, no licence. makes me want to leave for greener shores.
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Post by: Orca on May 21, 2015, 10:39:55 am
Then don't come to Europe. E-Tolls everywhere here and no complaints.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 21, 2015, 11:23:35 am
Sanral is angelic compared to Bakwena, the real demon who flies under the radar with Sanral taking all the heat atm.  Sanral has a ceiling of R450 per car (not family), that means Sanral gets R900 pm from my husband and me, and Bakwena R12 or R10 one way (x4 = R48/day i.e. R1152/month give or take depending on movement.)  That's just over R2000 every month on tolls or R34 300 paid after tax since Jan 2013. Do you have any idea how infuriating this is?  :(
 
We had a vacation in the Italian Alps in 2008 and got a spot fine of 300 Euros because we didn't purchase a toll voucher from filling stations next to the highway, as if we should have known – guess the saw us coming from Afrique-de-Sud a mile away.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 21, 2015, 01:45:31 pm
Who called PPC the other day?
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Post by: Nivek on May 22, 2015, 11:08:59 am
That was Pilot, I'll find the thread.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2015, 12:00:07 pm
YEs,PiLOt, hOpE hE lisTNed tO HiMSElf
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 22, 2015, 12:33:20 pm
Anybody know where I can download movies to tablet without providing my credit card details first?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2015, 12:38:45 pm
Sies Tannie, I have NPN shares...
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 22, 2015, 12:46:41 pm
Too bad my boy  ;)  I do pay 4 US companies for streaming, not my fault if Dstv is so crappy and loaded with reality 'stars'.  Only problem, can't use US co's with LS, thus need a backup plan. So be a dear and tell me.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2015, 12:56:09 pm
Sry, have no idea. Do not watch much, more of a gamer, GTA V so on...
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Post by: Patrick on May 22, 2015, 01:19:20 pm
@moneypenny, look for popcorn time. It doesn't download though, it's like netflix for pirates.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2015, 02:58:54 pm
AVL needs to go above R2.60 :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 22, 2015, 03:49:08 pm
@P: arrr thanks matey.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 23, 2015, 10:33:59 am
For interest sake, PopcornTime popped on Thursday, discontinued.
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2015, 11:12:44 am
No way. Oh dear. You could use Kodi with the genesis plugin. That's what I do, but it's a complicated set-up.
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Post by: Patrick on May 25, 2015, 07:48:00 am
Sad, his wife died too.
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on May 25, 2015, 11:06:43 am
Are realised losses offset against gains on sale in the game?
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on May 25, 2015, 11:07:05 am
The tax benefit that is.
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Post by: Patrick on May 25, 2015, 11:22:56 am
They are, the tax works on net profit.
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Post by: Orca on May 25, 2015, 12:23:37 pm
Greece admits it cannot find the €1,6b.
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Post by: Orca on May 25, 2015, 03:28:36 pm
Why can I not get into Sharenet site or Imara today. Can't see any prices the whole day.
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Post by: Patrick on May 25, 2015, 04:00:49 pm
No idea, possibly a break somewhere between here and Portugal.
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Post by: Patrick on May 26, 2015, 02:40:33 pm
Anyone here running solar, or planning on putting some solar in soon?
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Post by: Moonraker on May 26, 2015, 03:52:04 pm
Solar in George not much good - not enough sunny days. Using UPS inverter and batteries.
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Post by: Nivek on May 26, 2015, 04:25:04 pm
Why is the market in such a bad mood today?
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Post by: gcr on May 26, 2015, 04:30:56 pm
New York and London both down after the holidays yesterday and probably Greece saying they will only pay back what they can afford to pay back on their loans
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 27, 2015, 10:12:04 am
Anyone here running solar, or planning on putting some solar in soon?

I've looked at it - but cannot make it work financially even slightly. The odd 2 hours power outage really does not bother me - I just go do something else. We usually have something to watch on the few laptops dotted around the house if at night - but if we get hit is normally between 14H00 - 16H00 - not a bad time for a nap.

Might get an inverter (around R1000 / 800w) and just attached it to the car battery to run tv/dstv/router - friend does that and works fine. personally, I think it's a case of going totally of grid or do something small and inexpensive. Probably would change my mind if we had 4 hour cuts regularly though... ???
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Post by: jaDEB on May 27, 2015, 10:12:16 am
Frikkie getting hiding 2nd day in row. :'(
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Post by: Datura on May 27, 2015, 12:19:14 pm
OCE killing me.  Wow!  
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Post by: Patrick on May 27, 2015, 02:53:04 pm
Yes, my account is also pretty miserable today. And I bought on Monday :(
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Post by: Orca on May 27, 2015, 03:17:31 pm
I could have bought a top end four by four with what I lost.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 27, 2015, 03:55:47 pm
Concentrating on the French Open - not my shares at the moment...

 ;)
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Post by: Patrick on May 27, 2015, 04:05:40 pm
When you're just after dividends you can afford to care less about share prices. In fact lower prices means you can buy more with a higher yield.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 28, 2015, 11:10:47 am
You could have also bought KIO for the share price - many have done so.

As I live on dividends and only dividends, the increases or decreases are more important to me than share price. But I do no buy purely on DY - I never did buy ABL  8)
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Post by: Supersonicbaron on May 28, 2015, 03:44:52 pm
Can anyone help me make sense of the TFG slaughter


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Post by: jaDEB on May 28, 2015, 03:50:49 pm
Results is out @ 14h00
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Post by: gcr on May 28, 2015, 03:53:26 pm
Can't see a reason - in late March they announced that Sanlam had increased its holding in TFG
Also results released are not too shabby given the current economic situation and dividend increased by 10.9%
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Post by: Supersonicbaron on May 28, 2015, 03:54:38 pm
I'm no expert but the results looked ok I guess - might want to enter a derivative  tomorrow morning as there might be some money to be made from this over reaction


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Post by: Nivek on May 29, 2015, 03:49:28 pm
More pain in my portfolio today.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 29, 2015, 05:43:05 pm
ADH &COH ^
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 30, 2015, 12:54:19 pm
@ Supersonicbaron:  Also not an expert but look at the SFP, an increase in the interest bearing borrowings of R2 000m. Investigation into the SCF reveals a negative cash flow from operations despite the profit shown in SPLOCI.  To reverse the negative cash flow, TFG made borrowings of about R2 000m (also shown in SCF, in the cash from financing section.) This coupled with a rise in interest rates expected at the end of this year is enough to make investors fearful imo and that's why TFG is tanking. Nothing like a R2b+ interest bearing monster lurking to make you run for the hills. But yeah, no expert, just an opinion.

SFP:  Statement of Financial Position
SPLOCI: Statement of Profit or Loss and Other Comprehensive Income.
SCF:  Statement of Cash Flows
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2015, 09:14:54 am
Patrick ?
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Post by: Shi on June 01, 2015, 09:49:14 am
Were we allocated 200K this morning instead of 100K?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 01, 2015, 09:59:06 am
You want us to spend it P, we can. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2015, 10:00:09 am
Yes, that is why I is asking Patrick ? I allready used mine :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2015, 10:01:09 am
Rand R12.27 :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 01, 2015, 10:01:22 am
lol, you're going to get a huge fine.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2015, 10:25:47 am
Shhh, do not tell him, he will never know :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2015, 10:51:33 am
No way, how on earth did that happen! I'll have to reverse it...
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2015, 10:52:30 am
Or alternatively, just leave it in the game, as it's equal for all. Thoughts?
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2015, 10:54:24 am
Damn, all the ETF's also spent the full amount. No idea why it went through double either :(
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2015, 10:58:31 am
Call it Bonus time perhaps?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 01, 2015, 11:09:50 am
As you say, even for all so no problem
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 01, 2015, 11:15:09 am
Agree
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2015, 11:16:05 am
Agreed, all got R200k, a bonus. :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2015, 01:08:30 pm
Excellent, let's see how useful it can be...
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Post by: Orca on June 01, 2015, 01:18:11 pm
How about adding TCP to the challenge list P.
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Post by: gcr on June 01, 2015, 10:33:09 pm
Patrick - you have a facility I think it is per the heading "my holdings" where you have the facility to "sell" a particular counter, can you not incorporate a "buy" tab whereby I may want to purchase additional shares in an already held counter.
Just a thought
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 09:03:53 am
@gcr, it could be done. I'll see if I can include it for you.
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 09:04:30 am
@Orca, don't know much about it, is it frequently traded (16 or more times a day)?
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 09:04:57 am
I may hold back next months distribution, otherwise all new participants will be R100k short...
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 11:46:39 am
@qriffin, I'll mail you.
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Post by: Datura on June 02, 2015, 02:45:19 pm
Neither are mine.  They display with negative growth :(
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 07:14:56 pm
Hahaha Datura, wish that was a bug, sadly my real portfolio is down plenty in the last few weeks!
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 08:48:13 pm
Going to have to reverse the extra R100k, it's messing up all the background calculations :(
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2015, 08:48:54 pm
If you've already spent it, you'll just have negative cash until next month.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2015, 08:17:25 am
NIce, now I am in sh&t in real life and in the game, debt up to my %$#
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2015, 08:31:11 am
Haha!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2015, 08:38:29 am
Can I pay it over 36 months ?
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2015, 08:57:28 am
Sure, but I charge the same rates as Wonga.com, 953.49% p/a.
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2015, 08:57:36 am
Ok, we're all poor again
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2015, 09:17:54 am
u mean still....
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2015, 09:29:58 am
No I was rich a few weeks ago, then grexit reared it's head :(
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Post by: Moonraker on June 03, 2015, 09:31:48 am
After reading Patrick's 'Selfish Old Man Disease' I am sure he would 'enjoy' excerpts from
R.W. Johnson's book 'How Long Will South Africa Survive'.

South Africa's looming crisis (http://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/south-africas-looming-crisis)

You're looking at about 2 years mate. Let's not even think about the ROE.


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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2015, 09:33:43 am
Lady sitting next to me just got retrenched... and we thing we are having a sh&t day :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2015, 04:05:17 pm
EOH down 7%? does we know why?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 03, 2015, 08:12:10 pm
Can I just say, we all suck big time on the IC, painful to watch. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 04, 2015, 08:07:57 am
lol
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Post by: jaDEB on June 04, 2015, 08:09:08 am
R$ 12.36
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Post by: Patrick on June 04, 2015, 08:27:30 am
I don't mind when the JSE drops, but I do mind when it drops while the rest of the world doesn't...
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Post by: 100ways on June 04, 2015, 10:06:16 am
Hudaco down 5% should hopefully recover by end of the day :TU:
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Post by: jonb on June 04, 2015, 10:18:55 am
I know markets go up and down but JSE lately! last 2 weeks have been heart attack material. I am not based in SA. Is it worth it keeping it going over there? possibly better to sit in EU or U :wall:S instead. Any good reasons to stay in ZA? appreciate any feedback
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 04, 2015, 11:00:13 am
Jonb - is this market related or in general? If asking about the market, the JSE has done very well since 2008 - better than many others (not so sure if dollar denominated though?)  so a correction was due - no need to panic there. If this question was about where SA is going generally - well, with our current leadership - no where, only down. The bigger question is where it will stop - and if you happy living in that sort of country. Most of the smart SA companies have been operating abroad or in Africa for a while - and most seem to want to increase there non rand exposure.

The ANC, having buggered up most of the departments and government entities under it's charge, have now moved onto tourism and big agri.    :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on June 04, 2015, 11:26:01 am
I agree, currently I buy shares that has more exposure outside RSA
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Post by: Orca on June 04, 2015, 11:46:48 am
This is more "volatility" than a "correction". The TOPI and the IND25 have lost 5% only so far. A "correction" would be over 8% according to analysts.
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Post by: jonb on June 04, 2015, 11:54:04 am
good feedback! yes, I meant the recent performance on JSE. Its hard not to tie the current shitbag of stuff going down politically to weaker performance . So to get it straight... good solid companies that are deriving most earnings in an overseas of African market are still considered good bets? Think i need to re-align a little!
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Post by: 100ways on June 04, 2015, 12:13:21 pm
There is a lot of good value stocks on the JSE, look at the miners - no one wants to touch them and just dump the stocks. Very cheap prices and if we had another crash in the market and further strikes these will be dumped and pushed even lower. I am liking Lonmin, Amplats, Kumba, Anglo all looking good. Also in the education sector Curro and Adhvtech are solid business and will keep growing for the future. Also like Santova & Kap looking cheap and well run business. Lots of opportunities in the market. :D
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Post by: jaDEB on June 04, 2015, 03:26:51 pm
Frikkie kry pakslae version 1.02
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Post by: Orca on June 04, 2015, 04:07:21 pm
CML BP Trust purchased R100M shares on market at 8800.
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Post by: Orca on June 04, 2015, 06:45:02 pm
You are misunderstanding. CML bought R100M of it's own shares on market. Not TOTAL shares traded.
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Post by: Patrick on June 05, 2015, 12:25:31 pm
Rand is really being pounded lately.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2015, 10:40:32 am
Fitch affirmed its BBB rating with a negative outlook for South Africa on Friday, saying an inadequate and unstable electricity supply, had led it to cut economic growth forecasts for this year and the next
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Post by: gcr on June 08, 2015, 09:54:20 pm
Well that's not so bad our market is now 51,623.30 (ALSI today) the last time it was at these levels was July 2, 2014 when the ALSI got to an all time high of 51,883.71 so our market is substantially down. It got to an all time high on 24/04/2015 of 55,298.92 so we have seen a substantial retracement 8)
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Post by: Patrick on June 09, 2015, 10:39:43 am
So, armed robbery at the office last night. Stole a bunch of stuff including my laptop :(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 09, 2015, 11:08:39 am
Sry :'(
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Post by: JDP on June 09, 2015, 11:11:04 am
Eish, sorry to hear that. Hope nobody got hurt?
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Post by: Patrick on June 09, 2015, 11:46:57 am
No, they tied up the security guards but never hurt anyone. Strangely they got hold of the security company management uniforms, so the guards opened the gate for them...
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 09, 2015, 11:56:54 am
The arrogance of those idiots :mad: Glad you're ok, although when we had a 2am home invasion I didn't want to feel okay, I just wanted to smash their heads in, tmi I know.
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Post by: Patrick on June 09, 2015, 01:49:28 pm
Yes, head smashing would be nice. My laptop has teamviewer installed, so I'll be watching to see if it comes online.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 09, 2015, 04:02:27 pm
Frikkie kry pakslae version 1.03
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Post by: jaDEB on June 10, 2015, 02:01:54 pm
OCE :'(
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Post by: Datura on June 10, 2015, 02:24:19 pm
OCE has done me in :(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 10, 2015, 04:49:34 pm
Sold AVL, bought more OCE @ R86.50.. wish me luck
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Post by: jaDEB on June 11, 2015, 08:18:29 am
Today is the first release of Frikkie Recover BETA version 1.00
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Post by: Patrick on June 11, 2015, 08:26:36 am
Haha, if you say so, it's been a depressing month to track my holdings!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 11, 2015, 03:19:01 pm
IS there really a share on JSE called Choppies ?
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Post by: gcr on June 11, 2015, 03:55:26 pm
Absolutely correct - it is a Nigerian Company. CHP - supposedly they can't spell so well in that country and so used an "o" instead of an "a" :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on June 11, 2015, 04:16:23 pm
lol
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Post by: khakibrook on June 11, 2015, 04:17:42 pm
I recall Choppies stores in Botswana, rural Spar/Shoprite like. Bought many succulent looking red meat cuts, tasted strangely sweet for beef though. KB
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Post by: gcr on June 11, 2015, 06:22:21 pm
I recall Choppies stores in Botswana, rural Spar/Shoprite like. Bought many succulent looking red meat cuts, tasted strangely sweet for beef though. KB
My apologies it is a Botswana company - and operates in Botswana and Zimbabwe and RSA
I hear donkey and horse are sweeter than beef - but haven't tried to test this myself, nor am I likely >:D
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Post by: jaDEB on June 12, 2015, 09:04:45 am
Can u buy just 1 share in Itrade ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 12, 2015, 09:54:42 am
you try that jaDEB, and tell us what was brokers fee on that.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 12, 2015, 10:15:42 am
Allready traded, cannot see trade cost - R12000 Profit :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 12, 2015, 10:16:46 am
Wow, nice going jaDEB :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 12, 2015, 12:41:53 pm
What did you buy??
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Post by: gcr on June 12, 2015, 04:41:29 pm
Patrick - a question - you gifted us an additional R 100,000 and some of us climbed into the market immediately (like me) I am sitting with a negative balance of R 96,xxx. What happens if I sell a particular share, will I be restricted in buying shares with the proceeds of the sale or will the system allow me to go back into negative territory up to R 100,000?
Ta
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Post by: Patrick on June 12, 2015, 06:04:38 pm
Unfortunately you won't be able to buy until you're in positive balance again Gcr.
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Post by: gcr on June 13, 2015, 03:10:32 pm
So the trick is to not sell any shares in ones portfolio until after 1/7/2015 ::)
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Post by: Bevan on June 15, 2015, 11:49:27 am
assuming the market hasn't crashed by then.... feels very top heavy right now...
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Post by: Bevan on June 15, 2015, 11:55:22 am
am expecting to see Brent crude in $50 range this week... equities also feel bearish
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Post by: Patrick on June 15, 2015, 08:05:43 pm
I have a feeling it'll be edging even more fearful in the next few days
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Post by: Patrick on June 16, 2015, 07:13:17 am
Seems we just dropped another 2 points and crossed the line to "Extreme Fear"
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Post by: jaDEB on June 17, 2015, 08:03:10 am
I am releasing Frikkie Recovery BETA version 8.1 today
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Post by: Patrick on June 17, 2015, 08:38:08 am
I hope that's better than windows 8.1
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Post by: Bevan on June 17, 2015, 09:17:13 am
Market is strangely upbeat at moment but Dow needs to get above 18100 to get out of this mini bear run...
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Post by: benched68 on June 17, 2015, 05:29:24 pm
-900 alsi tomorrow!
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Post by: Charl on June 18, 2015, 11:39:04 am
afrisam
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Post by: jaDEB on June 19, 2015, 11:44:59 am
Why is Novus up 12% ?
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Post by: 100ways on June 22, 2015, 01:53:09 pm
BSR -15% today :TU:
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Post by: Lamak on June 22, 2015, 01:58:22 pm
BOWCALF
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Post by: gcr on June 23, 2015, 11:45:40 am
I see Ellies is going ahead with its rights issue - you can get some 40 odd shares for every 100 held at a price of R 1.10 - wow that's a bargain given that they are trading at between 88 and 94 cents today. Once the new shares come onto the market it will dilute the overall position and probably take the price down further. Wonder what they know that everybody else doesn't regarding the rights offer price - I can see a huge take up of these shares
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2015, 12:35:37 pm
Oh dear, poor ellies holders. This competition has a general rule that rights offers MUST be enforced...
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 23, 2015, 03:00:25 pm
5 more members to 1000, time for on-line PAR-TY :)
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Post by: JDP on June 23, 2015, 03:22:51 pm
see someone sold there Santova shares for 13 cents per share ;)
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Post by: gcr on June 23, 2015, 03:47:49 pm
see someone sold there Santova shares for 13 cents per share ;)
Someones broker didn't protect the client - at least my broker gets you to check volume and price if outside of normal trading patterns
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2015, 04:09:00 pm
@jaDEB, poor guy, how many shares were sold? @MoneyPenny, yeah it took a few years though!
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Post by: gcr on June 23, 2015, 06:16:38 pm
13,000 shares at 13 cents instead of about 305/310 sales were as high as 342
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Post by: Orca on June 23, 2015, 08:34:43 pm
That guy had R43k and now has R1 690 less expenses but I am sure it was an anomaly fixed by JSE and he lost nothing as the price was corrected immediately.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2015, 02:45:15 pm
NPN results out tomorrow ?
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2015, 08:04:32 am
Anyone know where I can chart our local ETFs in dollar terms?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2015, 10:36:30 am
nO SRY
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2015, 11:37:24 am
I'll have to flex my excel skills...
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2015, 11:53:16 am
I have daily FX rates from 1999 to date if that will help.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on June 25, 2015, 12:20:43 pm
Telkom is on fire
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Post by: Nivek on June 25, 2015, 02:00:36 pm
A little sad you sold yesterday I imagine :p
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2015, 02:01:21 pm
Telkom Sa Soc Limited - Further Cautionary Announcement Relating To Negotiations With Mtn South Africa
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2015, 02:06:30 pm
Ah that makes an interesting deal. Voda+Neotel and MTN+Telkom...
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2015, 03:06:21 pm
Sold my beloved CML.
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Post by: Patrick on June 25, 2015, 03:16:57 pm
Did you have to pay any capital gains tax?
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2015, 04:01:08 pm
Bought at R24.70 and sold at R83.80 but no tax as I have exemption.
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Post by: gcr on June 25, 2015, 04:46:29 pm
The more important question is what are you going to do with the proceeds. As alternatives could suggest Mr Price and Cashbuild, AVI, Woolworths and even Clicks as good options
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2015, 05:00:47 pm
Damn, the end of the world is near, been following Orca / CML saga for years now...   :'(
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2015, 05:18:06 pm
Want to buy DIVTRX but not enough sellers and volume too small.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 25, 2015, 05:39:25 pm
Are u going all girly on me now !!
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2015, 06:07:48 pm
Bought some CIL today jaDEB.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 08:11:01 am
Releasing Frikkie kry pakslae update today, ver 1.12
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2015, 08:17:34 am
Fear and greed at 34, we've had much worse.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 10:40:42 am
That is cause Tencent was down 4%, do u not read "Today outlook" ?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 10:41:12 am
But NPN results out tonight
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2015, 12:20:25 pm
Looks like everything is down today...
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 12:22:19 pm
Yes, ver 1.12 seems to be the better version so far
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 01:28:29 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2015, 05:55:09 pm
South African gold firms offer workers wage hikes of up to 13 pct WOW
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2015, 12:16:08 pm
Greek PM accepts bailout conditions with creditors.
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Post by: Datura on July 01, 2015, 01:16:59 pm
Off to Greece tomorrow :)
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2015, 03:05:09 pm
If he accepted does that mean the referendum is off?
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2015, 03:34:47 pm
News just out. Merkel wants to wait for the referendum results.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 03, 2015, 02:21:06 pm
Ask her if she will buy ACL at the moment or KIO ?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 03, 2015, 02:22:12 pm
It is school holiday, thus MoneyPenny absent ... AGAIN !!
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Post by: jaDEB on July 03, 2015, 02:32:57 pm
She recons NPN is the best since Tencents  :)
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Post by: jaDEB on July 03, 2015, 02:35:42 pm
lol , You are currently ranked 7071st of 6232 users. I am past last LOL
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Post by: jaDEB on July 03, 2015, 03:19:09 pm
I bought ACL @ R11.83
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Post by: gcr on July 03, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
Salam must be bleeding - I have just tried to accesss  my portfolio on I Trade to see how I was doing but was told the page is not available. So no more interest in this competition by me from now on
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Post by: Patrick on July 06, 2015, 11:04:58 am
In the USA you probably need divorce insurance...
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Post by: Patrick on July 07, 2015, 10:17:54 am
@Orca, came across this recently: http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/coronation-peregrine-or-anchor-where-should-you-invest/
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2015, 05:02:36 pm
Frikkie kry pakslae version 1.03 is awesome :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 08, 2015, 10:37:48 am
What's up sweeties? Nothing it seems, lol.
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2015, 11:09:25 am
Haha yeah, absolutely nothing up at the moment. I'm using it as an opportunity to rebalance my holdings without incurring big CGT.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 08, 2015, 12:14:24 pm
Now that's a very positive spin on CGT 😀  - it sucks, my husband exercised some options 2 weeks ago luckily before plunge, he got 90K, tax took almost 70K.
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Post by: Orca on July 08, 2015, 02:09:40 pm
Greece given until Sunday to agree a debt deal or exit the euro
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Post by: Moonraker on July 09, 2015, 12:36:26 pm
Mobius: China’s “extreme, desperate” actions add to pain of share mkt crash

The best time to judge the character of people is during times of crisis. For the world’s major investors, in this respect China’s authorities have been weighed and found wanting. The world’s leading Emerging Markets investment personality, Mark Mobius, is among the big money managers who are highly critical of the Chinese reaction to its market’s boom and bust. Half of the listed companies have simply suspended trading in their shares. And after other interventions failed, China’s Government has now banned big investors from selling their stakes in those businesses where trading is still allowed. At a Berkshire Hathaway AGM a while back, chairman Warren Buffett was asked whether he would invest in Russia, the “hot” market at that time. He said he wouldn’t, recounting his experience of some years earlier. Buffett had helped fund an exploration business which battled for years to discover anything meaningful. When it eventually hit a good deposit, Russian politicians claim-jumped it and the team of explorers had to run for their lives leaving behind all their equipment – and wiping out years of investment. In their efforts to address the collapse of an overheated share market, Chinese authorities now risk doubling its impact by alienating those who control the world’s long-term investment capital. Those of the ilk of Mobius and Buffett have long memories. – Alec Hogg

Link to full article (http://www.biznews.com/global-investing/2015/07/09/mobius-chinas-extreme-desperate-actions-add-to-pain-of-share-mkt-crash/)

I agree, don't think we have seen the end of the drama.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 09, 2015, 03:58:52 pm
Patrick, my screen is not working, who is tenth ?
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Post by: Patrick on July 09, 2015, 04:04:23 pm
DBX tracker Japan why ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on July 09, 2015, 04:24:07 pm
pfffttt ... Sanlam iTrade is much better comp..
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Post by: jaDEB on July 09, 2015, 04:44:03 pm
what a bunch of .... "The leaderboard is being updated."
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Post by: Orca on July 09, 2015, 08:48:11 pm
Profit take Friday? H&S on the ALSI makes me think this surge was technical only.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2015, 09:18:38 am
I send the head on sanlamitrade mail, told him his comp sucks and they are not serious about it.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 10, 2015, 09:52:31 am
Shame, their PR didn't go so well.
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Post by: gcr on July 10, 2015, 11:00:23 am
Sanlam have run this competition on numerous occasions but this year everything that could go wrong has - it almost seems like it is a beta version we are "supposedly" playing with
Today all my profits have been zeroed and and my overall portfolio value has dropped by some R 13,000 - can't fathom whats going on.
I have withdrawn from this competition as its a joke
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Post by: jaDEB on July 13, 2015, 06:27:54 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Orca on July 13, 2015, 06:34:31 pm
Why was DIVTRX flat today?
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Post by: Orca on July 13, 2015, 09:51:27 pm
Because of LEW and WBO you fool. Geez. This Orca guy knows nuting.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 14, 2015, 08:57:32 am
China's state-backed Tsinghua Unigroup Ltd is preparing a $23 billion bid for U.S. memory chip maker Micron Technology Inc
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Post by: wyn on July 16, 2015, 04:08:47 pm
my holdings
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Post by: Orca on July 16, 2015, 08:17:56 pm
Dear wine. You have no holdings. Only wine.
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Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2015, 11:51:35 am
Just had the 1000th member sign up :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 18, 2015, 07:47:52 am
Probably my wife wanting to meet Jadeb after his appearance in the top 20 in the iTrade comp



 :(

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Post by: Moonraker on July 18, 2015, 03:13:38 pm
Taste or Famous Brands ? Me = FBR
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 18, 2015, 04:30:17 pm
Taste for me - although I am guessing it will take a fair amount of time to start seeing results coming through - so a longer term play.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 19, 2015, 07:53:53 pm
@MrD: Good, the lady know what she likes. :) Well done jaDEB!
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Post by: jaDEB on July 20, 2015, 08:30:40 am
Thanks for the support, sold my ACL, thus I think I is way down now... :'(
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Post by: gcr on July 20, 2015, 08:55:26 am
Patrick - saw your comment and pointer re active versus passive investor managerson moneyweb - touche
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Post by: Patrick on July 20, 2015, 09:14:32 am
Thanks GCR, it's a presonal bone of contention of mine, as I have 35% of my investments in active (my early years investing), and can't move it without heavy capital gains tax :(
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Post by: jaDEB on July 20, 2015, 10:37:51 am
You are currently ranked 24th of 7486 users
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Post by: gcr on July 20, 2015, 11:23:40 am
Thanks GCR, it's a presonal bone of contention of mine, as I have 35% of my investments in active (my early years investing), and can't move it without heavy capital gains tax :(
I had a similar problem but I have sold off the majority of my Mutual funds with the exception of Nedbank Entrepreneur, and more recently Coronation Top 20 ( I cancelled all my life cover and use the premiums by sinking them into the Coronation fund along with my RA premiums (I bought an LA)).
It may pay you to take the knock on the CGT on sale and invest in other instruments which more than likely offset your CGT in about 3 years - I found that UT capital appreciation is pretty pedestrian these days   
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Post by: Patrick on July 20, 2015, 12:40:13 pm
I do keep weighing up the options, comparing the tax hit to potential growth, but I don't have an answer just yet. It's highly likely I'll spend 6 months and a day outside of SA in the next few years, so that would be the ideal time to do it.

In the meantime, I keep taking out as much as I can with the R30k exemption. This year it works out to about R80k, but using the 4% rule and the decreasing amount I can withdraw in the R30k exemption, it means I'm never able to get the money out! First world problems...
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Post by: kolbec on July 20, 2015, 01:34:05 pm
coh
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Post by: gcr on July 21, 2015, 06:52:33 pm
Saw the sens for the respective DBX's and the management fees seem very steep
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 22, 2015, 05:31:14 am
They are for an ETF but probably still reasonable compared to taking your money out, exchanging it, getting an overseas broker, and then buying a some stock. But would be interesting if one of the big banks started an oversea ETF.
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Post by: Patrick on July 22, 2015, 07:27:30 am
Yeah I wish there was a cheaper option too. DBX is far too expensive for my taste.
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Post by: gcr on July 22, 2015, 08:48:38 am
Well if one looks at the DBXUS its gross foreign dividend and other income earned works out to .24823 cents per unit with a .10134 cents per unit management fee - which is some 40.8% of gross income of per unit, and withholding tax taking 14.77%.
My point is that this investment is probably not an investment to invest in if one was looking for dividend streams as a means of support over the long term
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Post by: jaDEB on July 22, 2015, 04:34:14 pm
Is some1 running Frikkie kry pakslae ver 1.03 ?
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Post by: Orca on July 22, 2015, 09:56:49 pm
My stocks gave me a  pakslae today but MTA kept me buoyant with over 4% gain. 
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Post by: gcr on July 22, 2015, 11:23:48 pm
My stocks gave me a  pakslae today but MTA kept me buoyant with over 4% gain.
The whole market took a hit today my portfolio dropped R 64,000 but over the last 2 weeks it gained by about R 120,000 so swings and roundabouts
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Post by: Orca on July 23, 2015, 01:25:31 pm
Trading Statement catapults AdaptIt over 5%. :)
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Post by: Lamak on July 24, 2015, 12:16:33 pm
Can we get bowler metcalf on the share list to buy please?
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2015, 12:38:29 pm
It can be done if it trades more than 16 times a day. I don't have figures on that, anyone know if it does?
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Post by: Orca on July 24, 2015, 03:49:55 pm
Coronation AUM down by R1b.
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Post by: gcr on July 24, 2015, 04:18:30 pm
May be as a result of Africa Bank?
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Post by: Orca on July 24, 2015, 06:27:52 pm
No. Nett foreign capital outflow.
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Post by: chang9015 on July 25, 2015, 10:55:14 am
wonder if this EM sell off is going to continue into next week...
CML YTD -30.79%
looks bleak
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Post by: Orca on July 25, 2015, 08:35:20 pm
That is why MoneyWeb recommends PGR over CML.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 27, 2015, 10:09:47 am
Uuugh, damage control.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 27, 2015, 10:31:18 am
agreed ....
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Post by: chang9015 on July 27, 2015, 11:28:59 am
chinas in the poop again
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Post by: Orca on July 27, 2015, 05:03:31 pm
Shanghai Composite fell 8.5% today sending the Eurozone down in her wake.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 27, 2015, 05:23:29 pm
It is cause u moved closer to China... u fault :)
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Post by: Orca on July 27, 2015, 10:01:10 pm
No. I think the Chinks had a look at my portfolio and saw the bad state of the economy in it.
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on July 29, 2015, 11:19:18 am
Some PNC holders will be having a good time right meow
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Post by: Orca on July 29, 2015, 12:36:36 pm
That's due to Windows 10 out today.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 29, 2015, 12:44:17 pm
ag damn, that means all my games are going to have updates .... frikkie .. damn
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on July 29, 2015, 02:07:04 pm
Auto updates on my phone and PC is killing my cap lately }:/
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on July 29, 2015, 02:09:18 pm
Windows 10 is a free update anyway so what's the draw ?
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Post by: Datura on July 29, 2015, 03:01:52 pm
PFG behaving nicely.
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Post by: Datura on July 29, 2015, 03:02:01 pm
/jinx
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Post by: Orca on July 29, 2015, 08:21:15 pm
I wonder why Sharenet shows only 0,15% gain for DIVTRX while it went up over !%?
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Post by: chang9015 on July 30, 2015, 07:31:31 am
Google finance also shows 0.15?
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Post by: Patrick on July 30, 2015, 09:06:22 am
Midpoint of the current spread is 2746, so it likely had a higher value than indicated last night, it just never traded there.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 30, 2015, 09:14:35 am
My heart bleeds for Cecil (and his descendants). What an undignified end to such a magnificent beast. :(
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Post by: Patrick on July 30, 2015, 11:07:42 am
Yes, on the bright side, it looks like the dental practice is getting nailed in the states. Hopefully the hunters will be too scared of the backlash in future.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 30, 2015, 01:00:10 pm
Badly want to arrange for the hunters to be hunted. May finally get a nice pair of cojones dangling from my rear view mirror.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2015, 04:34:21 pm
Lonmin shares hit lowest levels since 1979
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2015, 03:38:44 pm
Wife got retrenched today :'( .... and goverment says unemployment down, which planet I wonder ...
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Post by: BussoV6 on July 31, 2015, 04:14:49 pm
Wife got retrenched today :'( .... and goverment says unemployment down, which planet I wonder ...

 :'(   Not very good news! What line of work is she in?
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Post by: Patrick on August 01, 2015, 07:35:35 am
Sorry to hear jaDEB, was there at least a decent payout to hold her over until she finds another job?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2015, 08:24:11 am
She was in steel industry payout small. But will make a plan. Busy with sign for standing at robot :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 01, 2015, 10:52:03 am
Eish - tough one. Hope she finds a job soon.

I always find a san serif type font works best for my "no work, no money, no prospects signs"  but will be refreshing to hear your take on the matter.

 :D

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Post by: Moneypenny on August 01, 2015, 02:58:06 pm
Shame, sorry to hear - be kind to each other, this too shall pass eventually. Good luck to you both.
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Post by: Delusionsofgrandeur on August 02, 2015, 11:17:04 pm
dsv
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Post by: jaDEB on August 03, 2015, 08:24:21 am
No Mr D, the sign needs look poor and have spelling mistakes.
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2015, 09:36:38 am
@Patrick. I bought PGR yesterday and it went post divi today so I should get the divi of 150c.
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Post by: Patrick on August 03, 2015, 11:05:57 am
I'll check it out this evening Orca.
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2015, 12:12:57 pm
Greek market plunges 23% in half day today.
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2015, 12:18:27 pm
Thanks P. Price reverted to today's open price. :)
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Post by: chang9015 on August 03, 2015, 12:38:42 pm
is BAT and PGR ex-div today?
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Post by: chang9015 on August 03, 2015, 01:30:29 pm
@orca, just double checked, both BAT & PGR went ex div but paydate is only on the 11th?
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2015, 03:02:48 pm
I see so.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 03, 2015, 05:00:17 pm
Orca, just go over to China and sort the Sh!t out please
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Post by: Moonraker on August 05, 2015, 04:29:00 pm
1.00 GBP   =   20.0024 ZAR
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Post by: Supersonicbaron on August 05, 2015, 04:29:14 pm
Anyone know why BRAIT got smacked upside the head, almost 7% down at one point
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on August 05, 2015, 04:45:27 pm
Priced at nearly twice its Nav seems high to me?
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Post by: chang9015 on August 06, 2015, 07:29:47 am
bid-offer spread
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Post by: chang9015 on August 06, 2015, 07:30:16 am
lol! mistakenly took this for the search box :P
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 06, 2015, 11:47:52 am
It happens :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 06, 2015, 12:15:55 pm
Putting those wooden wedding rings to use... I've eloped to paris, see you all in 2 weeks :)
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Post by: Orca on August 06, 2015, 01:02:37 pm
Parys is nice.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2015, 02:19:50 pm
u going to Freestate ? no internet there ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 06, 2015, 02:49:22 pm
@P: What, seriously? Have a splendid time :) and come back to Afrique de Sud.
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Post by: chang9015 on August 06, 2015, 03:23:50 pm
proposing in paris? have you asked your wife about this :P
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 06, 2015, 04:19:37 pm
Nice one Patrick. Hope she says yes, otherwise the flight back will be awkward. Take dark glasses so you don't have to make eye contact.

 ;)
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 06, 2015, 05:23:36 pm
 :D No, 'eloped' is a done deal.  But, just look for markers "Sortie" (meaning 'Exit'), should you need to make a quick escape. 
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Post by: jaDEB on August 06, 2015, 06:20:35 pm
If she syas no, leave her there, did u buy her a return ticket?
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 06, 2015, 07:33:08 pm
We are just fooling around P, consider this your batchelor party from our side. ;).  We wish you and your bride only the best of everything, have a lovely honeymoon, bring back champs from the Champagne region and make every moment special!
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Post by: Imran on August 07, 2015, 04:22:56 pm
Anyone else think Eqstra offers massive value?
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Post by: Shi on August 07, 2015, 04:39:39 pm
Anyone else think Eqstra offers massive value?

They have massive debt as well, so be careful.
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Post by: gcr on August 12, 2015, 09:03:58 pm
Tough day at the office today as far as my portfolio is concerned took a hit of R 87,000 - paper loss
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Post by: jaDEB on August 13, 2015, 09:52:50 am
NPN :)
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Post by: Nivek on August 14, 2015, 12:01:42 am
NPN no longer exists, tencent is just a dual listed company now
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Post by: jaDEB on August 14, 2015, 08:25:45 am
Mr Bekker did indicate that they will invest again when opertunity is there.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 14, 2015, 11:37:40 am
Frikkie but this Market is all over the place ...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 14, 2015, 03:02:03 pm
Where is every one :'(
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on August 14, 2015, 03:06:45 pm
Right here
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 14, 2015, 03:28:42 pm
Lick'n wounds... but that's just me.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 14, 2015, 04:32:56 pm
I've sold my car and am investing with the proceeds.

Trying to get 888

8% DY (after tax)
8% DY growth per year
8% Capital growth p/y

Sellers do not want to sell at my offer price, the cheek  :'(

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Post by: Patrick on August 17, 2015, 08:12:11 am
If you find it let me know where!
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Post by: NakedPeanut on August 17, 2015, 10:21:54 am
Ahh.. all my etf's have all taken a nose dive recently.. At least they make the monthly investing cheaper :D
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Post by: Nivek on August 17, 2015, 11:05:06 am
Same here NPeanut. Also trying to look at it as a positive correction, just wish I had more money to invest right now.
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Post by: paulmo01 on August 17, 2015, 02:43:26 pm
100
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Post by: gcr on August 18, 2015, 09:33:55 am
Same here NPeanut. Also trying to look at it as a positive correction, just wish I had more money to invest right now.
If you have a bond and have free float take out what you can and invest in the market as in the longer term you will get a better return
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 18, 2015, 11:36:19 am
Well now, that's some dangerous advice! I bet some Chinese people wish they had not just done that very thing.
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Post by: gcr on August 18, 2015, 12:01:08 pm
Well now, that's some dangerous advice! I bet some Chinese people wish they had not just done that very thing.
Well I've been doing it for 20 years, but then , I am not chinese
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Post by: Patrick on August 19, 2015, 12:05:39 pm
My poor CML :(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 19, 2015, 12:56:59 pm
Will HAR go below R10 ?
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Post by: rjthomas on August 19, 2015, 01:13:03 pm
curro
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Post by: Orca on August 19, 2015, 02:45:10 pm
CML has no prospects for a recovery yet. November will send her to low 60's.
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Post by: Datura on August 19, 2015, 02:57:47 pm
LON plummeting
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Post by: jaDEB on August 19, 2015, 05:47:48 pm
ok, I will load Frikkie Recover ver 4.44 tonight
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Post by: Orca on August 19, 2015, 08:43:35 pm
For every seller there is a buyer. I wonder why any one would want to buy LON while it is in a protracted down trend.
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Post by: Bloodburner9000 on August 20, 2015, 07:10:19 am
Coronation now has 20% of IMP - http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/sens_display.php?tdate=20150819160000&seq=41
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 20, 2015, 10:14:27 am
I've been a bit distracted of late, can't find rhythm - annoying.  >:(
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 20, 2015, 12:35:13 pm
Does anybody have info/experience with Naspers' preemptive strike launch against Netflix's SA launch next year, ie ShowMax? It's R99 pm, do you have to utilize DSTV for this?  Anybody experience with MTN' FrontRow or Times Media's Vidi?
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Post by: Patrick on August 20, 2015, 02:26:17 pm
AFAIK, there's no need to have DSTV. Just pay your R99 and have a 4MB internet connection and you're good to go. No idea on the others: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/135730-showmax-broadband-requirements-pricing-and-supported-devices.html
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Post by: jaDEB on August 20, 2015, 03:16:07 pm
But subscribe per item in house, ie. PC, stove, vacuum cleaner and so, I am a NPN share holder PLEASE !!
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 20, 2015, 05:14:42 pm
Tx :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2015, 09:37:37 am
Frikkie been on steroids lately?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2015, 09:53:27 am
Yes I know, he had a redbull last night, will lock toilet door and give him some Laxatives
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2015, 09:54:23 am
run frikkie run ....
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Post by: letlhogonolo on August 21, 2015, 11:15:40 am
Hello Patrick, my Net1 shares seem to have disappeared into the ether today
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2015, 12:15:11 pm
Oh dear, let me check if I can see anything. They're probably there but hidden for some reason...
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Post by: Bevan on August 21, 2015, 12:22:32 pm
really funny things happening with the investor challenge today... holdings all shown as negative, fees missing etc.
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Post by: Bevan on August 21, 2015, 12:22:33 pm
really funny things happening with the investor challenge today... holdings all shown as negative, fees missing etc.
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Post by: Sebulba on August 21, 2015, 12:37:11 pm
really funny things happening with the investor challenge today... holdings all shown as negative, fees missing etc.

My portfolio shows the same....
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2015, 12:41:36 pm
Yes, somehow my record of purchases has vanished. I have a backup, but it's 2 days old. I'll restore it, but I don't think I can get the last 2 days data back. Will keep looking.
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Post by: Bevan on August 21, 2015, 01:23:45 pm
oh dear, good luck.
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Post by: Itut on August 21, 2015, 01:43:58 pm
The use of the word "dear" making me nervous.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2015, 01:45:52 pm
lol
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2015, 02:57:46 pm
Ok, I've recovered everything but 69 records. Not sure if I can manage to get those back :(
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2015, 03:01:50 pm
Ok details of what went on here: http://shareforum.co.za/the-investor-challenge/lost-some-purchase-records/
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Post by: JohnnyH on August 22, 2015, 09:19:39 pm
It seems we will be having a big red monday on the markets...US markets closed ~3% down friday...
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 07:36:01 am
Still fighting server gremlins this morning. You might need to clear out your cookies if you can't log in...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 09:03:53 am
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 09:16:31 am
dammit, frikkie, chill now, please !!!
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Post by: Sebulba on August 24, 2015, 09:56:18 am
Ok, so when the server problems hit i immediately sold all shares (not knowing what was up) So i'm now on R 847k of Nett profit in my holdings screen, yet when I go to the leaderboard it says R 618k.  ???
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 10:24:27 am
Hey Sebulba, it's not your sale that cause the issue, but the purchase that is missing. That's why it looks like you've made too much profit. I'll have to figure out what your purchase price was. Do you remember by any chance? Else I'll back calculate.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 01:03:33 pm
Surely they mean R13? on moneyweb frontpage "Rand hits R14/$ as commodities tumble"
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 02:33:42 pm
All I want to do today is buy my ETFs but my damn deposit is sitting in no mans land between banks :(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 02:46:45 pm
I jsut wanna switch of my damn screen, and not see the carnage ..
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 02:58:09 pm
almost time to buy jaDEB... market needs a few days to bounce around on bottom now...
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:02:13 pm
another big contraction coming now on DJIA futures.... market could push down 5% today before recovering later....
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:04:53 pm
bots must be milking the vol right now.... value traders should definitely be on sidelines still...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 03:05:27 pm
I am going to kick Frikkie's @ss ... Stocks poised for massive selloff; Oil tumbles; Tech punished
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:24:48 pm
US markets open in 7 minutes... will be interesting to see if bots and futures trades have got it right.... should close 50% of gap on open before reverting to falling again
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:26:09 pm
Dow just hit circuit breakers... oh dear....
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 03:27:10 pm
@jaDEB and don't forget the rand breaking all the records on the wrong side!
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:34:38 pm
wow, we are watching history in the making.... biggest ever point fall in Dow Jones history... not % fall but points....
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:39:49 pm
the lifeboats are still out from 2008 and central banks have no powder left to stimulate markets.... what now?
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Post by: Broke(r) on August 24, 2015, 03:45:04 pm
and there I was last week and the week before thinking I got myself some bargains...  :wall:  :'(
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 03:45:43 pm
now we up 700 points... yeeha, this is exciting stuff
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 03:50:31 pm
If I had money last week I would have bought. It's still not in yet, so when it arrives, I'll be buying. I was in Eurodisney last week. Those rides have nothing on this!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
ACL - up South Africa government to hike steel import tariff by 10 pct - industry group
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 04:13:04 pm
NYSE Will Suspend Stock Trading If S&P 500 Index Plunges 7% http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-24/nyse-will-suspend-stock-trading-if-s-p-500-index-plunges-7-
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 04:16:09 pm
think most of fun is over now.... Dow stabilising around 16,000 - only about 2.8% down now on day....
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 04:18:40 pm
rest of week looks like being choppy as hell.... best to sit on sidelines me thinks....
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Post by: benched68 on August 24, 2015, 04:21:44 pm
buy
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 04:31:37 pm
brave call benched... Dow just dropped 150 points in 5 minutes again.... that's normally a whole days move.... you got enough margin to handle the volatility?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 04:32:39 pm
Patrick, is your wife to be not going to be upset with u looking at market instead of lookin after her?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 04:58:31 pm
Rant is recovering .. :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2015, 05:03:56 pm
Patrick, is your wife to be not going to be upset with u looking at market instead of lookin after her?
No I married her 2 weeks ago, so now I'm allowed to focus on other things again  :D
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/2cv_zpsimmbytxj.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/2cv_zpsimmbytxj.jpg.html)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2015, 05:06:43 pm
Sorry, my bad, congrats. :)
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Post by: Bevan on August 24, 2015, 05:39:11 pm
Dow futures traded a range of 1,500 points today... the plung prevention team really had their work cut out at one point....
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Post by: gcr on August 24, 2015, 06:54:24 pm
Great day for shopping today, bought parcels of/or topped up on Pick n Pay (2 lots), Clover, Santova, AdaptIT, hoping to pick up some more Adapt IT tomorrow morning in the auction

Isn't it amazing how many fund managers and investment advisors all saw this coming and could almost predict to the percentage the drop we have experienced last and this week - methinks they would be better predicting by looking into a cup with tea leaves in rather than using their cloudy crystal balls.
Oh well all the "Sell in May and go away" lemmings will all be back next month buying up shares as markets generally improve between now and Christmas and if your not in - your out ;D
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Post by: Orca on August 24, 2015, 09:24:30 pm
Or perhaps you can wait a while longer and get a premium discount of 50%.
Looking back at 2008, I have this nostalgic taste of  Dèjà Vu.
Brokers and analysts were urging investors to climb in at -10% at the "discount" and the markets continued to fall to -45%.
Had the investors complied, I'm sure the markets would not have dropped that low but the fear factor prevailed. 
I hope you are correct though.
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Post by: JohnnyH on August 25, 2015, 08:16:22 am
Shanghai currently almost 14% down with 1.5hrs trading left...here we go again?
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Post by: Bevan on August 25, 2015, 08:33:51 am
"Anybody with a pulse was nervous yesterday".... which is why humans don't trade anymore. Computers do and the bots did a sterling job of keeping liquidity going yesterday... yesterday could have been a repeat of 1987 but it was saved by the bots...
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 25, 2015, 08:38:55 am
Quote
No I married her 2 weeks ago, so now I'm allowed to focus on other things again

 :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on August 25, 2015, 09:15:25 am
Thanks all :) Anyway, my money reached my account this morning, so like a good robot investor, I closed my eyes and hit buy!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2015, 09:26:27 am
The government will have a follow-up meeting in about four weeks , lol, the only thing they can do quick is spend our money... 4 weeks ..
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Post by: Patrick on August 25, 2015, 10:07:56 am
I'm loving these low prices. Rebalancing my portfolio and picking up all these supposed "capital losses" and then buying the other index at a discount... Then using those capital losses to get rid of as many of the expensive unit trusts I stupidly bought years ago. Win all around!
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Post by: gcr on August 25, 2015, 11:55:16 am
I'm loving these low prices. Rebalancing my portfolio and picking up all these supposed "capital losses" and then buying the other index at a discount... Then using those capital losses to get rid of as many of the expensive unit trusts I stupidly bought years ago. Win all around!
Yup I am quite happy with my buys yesterday plus the movement up this morning about, R 80,000 better off than yesterday
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Post by: tmsf12 on August 25, 2015, 12:15:07 pm
...and then buying the other index at a discount...
What do you mean by this?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2015, 12:25:06 pm
U.S. stock index futures pointed to a sharply higher open on Tuesday, recovering from the plunge seen in global stocks on Monday.
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Post by: Patrick on August 25, 2015, 12:34:16 pm
What do you mean by this?
In my case I own 4 funds (now 3).
1) FOORD equity fund - does ok, costs a lot so I'd like to get rid of it.
2) STXIND - does very well, I'll keep this for a long long time.
3) GIVIND - does ok, but I think it's currently too heavy into MTN, and I'd prefer to put that money somewhere else.
4) DIVTRX - still new but the index has done extremely well. It also pays a pretty good dividend and is well diversified.

So I'd like to get rid of as much of 1) and 3) and put it into 4. Problem is, if you sell I need to pay a lot of capital gains tax. But now, the whole market is cheap, so for example if I sell GIVIND for a 10% loss, I can also buy DIVTRX at a 10% discount, so in effect there's no loss, just a re-balancing. But to SARS there is a loss, so I can take the amount of that loss, and sell some of my FOORD, and even though I make a profit, it's cancelled out by the GIVIND loss and I won't pay tax on it.
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Post by: tmsf12 on August 25, 2015, 12:48:11 pm
@Patrick, thanks for helping out a noob  :)
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Post by: Orca on August 25, 2015, 02:39:18 pm
I noticed DIVTRX corrects mismatched price before open hence the gaps in the candles. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2015, 06:19:23 pm
:)
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Post by: Orca on August 25, 2015, 08:48:06 pm
I somehow think the traders will take profits on Wednesday but with the good gains today they would have done so already. Lets wait and see.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2015, 08:26:18 am
Sad about Roger Kebble, he and Brett use to be lot on moneyweb radio :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2015, 09:17:11 am
Ag dammit Frikkie ... !!!
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 26, 2015, 09:54:29 am
jaDEB, I saw a pic of a guy on FB in leopard undies called 'Frikkie', I see him every time in my mind when you mention him here,  :D I still have nightmares.
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Post by: Datura on August 26, 2015, 10:31:54 am
hahaha
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2015, 10:34:07 am
That is Frikkie, he sleeps under u bed, and in closest close to investors. Its him, its him, be afraid !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2015, 12:27:02 pm
U.S. stock index futures pointed to a higher open on Wednesday after a highly-volatile session for China's Shanghai
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Post by: Orca on August 27, 2015, 01:38:27 pm
@P. Could you possibly correct my spelling of Peregrine in the subject/topic line please. I must have pressed the "e" and "r" together by mistake.
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Post by: Patrick on August 27, 2015, 02:00:00 pm
Done
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Post by: Orca on August 27, 2015, 03:01:48 pm
Thanks P.
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Post by: Orca on August 27, 2015, 05:37:08 pm
US growth smashes forecasts FTSE 100 jumps by more than 3% aStrong US growth figures inject optimism into markets.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 28, 2015, 08:00:02 am
Morning all
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 28, 2015, 09:01:54 am
Hallo :)
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Post by: Bevan on August 28, 2015, 09:17:06 am
seen 50% retracement on most markets... classic profit taking day before weekend... be warned if day trading....
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Post by: NakedPeanut on August 28, 2015, 01:44:24 pm
Thinking of moving my ETF portfolio from ETFSA to EasyEquities.. Any opinions?
I buy monthly via debit order and did the math, it's substantially cheaper to use EE, even with buying 4 shares monthly than the %pa cost of ETFSA..

Only concern is reinvestment of dividends. ETFSA is a debit order and forget, where as EE needs bit more management.
EE also doesn't have an adequate amount of ETF shares in "stock", e.g. divtrax can only buy R1600 at time...
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Post by: NakedPeanut on August 28, 2015, 01:44:58 pm
Oh and TFSA is with EE already
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Post by: Moonraker on August 29, 2015, 03:54:27 pm
APN. Bad trading update ? http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mny_sens/aspen-pharmacare-holdings-limited-voluntary-trading-statement-2/
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Post by: jaDEB on August 31, 2015, 08:40:01 am
Sold my APN last week .. will see what share does now
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Post by: rjthomas on August 31, 2015, 01:27:08 pm
Reduced my exposure to Curro. Added some AdvTech.
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Post by: Broke(r) on August 31, 2015, 01:41:03 pm
Thinking of moving my ETF portfolio from ETFSA to EasyEquities.. Any opinions?
I buy monthly via debit order and did the math, it's substantially cheaper to use EE, even with buying 4 shares monthly than the %pa cost of ETFSA..

Only concern is reinvestment of dividends. ETFSA is a debit order and forget, where as EE needs bit more management.
EE also doesn't have an adequate amount of ETF shares in "stock", e.g. divtrax can only buy R1600 at time...

Due to the exact same reasons, I'm in the process of making a similar move from Satrix Direct (AOS Partners) to EE. Last debit order and subsequent purchase takes 40-days to 'clear' so my move should be concluded by 16 Sep. They charge R 170 per holding to transfer, but should be worth it in the long run, unless EE starts charging a p.a. fee too...

Regarding auto divi re-investment, if I remember correctly, this is something EE are looking into 'for the future', but for the time being, you'll have to manually buy more with divi returns. Not a big pain for me, actually prefer it that way flexibility wise.

The liquidity issues for some of the EE ETFs have been raised a couple of times on threads here - seems that a call to their call centre will sort that out - they might charge a fee (R50?) for this. I recently bought some on which the limit was about R3,5k per purchase - I just repeated the process a few times until I had the amount what I was looking for. I think it costs the same as any bulk purchase as there's no pricing tiers, but I might be wrong.

From another poster in another thread, it seems that getting EE to show the correct base cost for all your transferred holdings might be a bit of an issue, since there are multiple purchases on the ETFSA portfolio due to DD. I simply calculated the base cost  by taking total cost by number of shares held - that matched my Satrix total base cost and that is what I will provide EE to show as my base cost once my Satrix portfolio has transferred.
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2015, 02:12:36 pm
@NakedPeanut. Another +1 to go to EE. It'll save you a fortune in the long term. I don't see the non-auto reinvesting of divvies as a problem. I often want to buy something different in any case.
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Post by: gcr on August 31, 2015, 03:17:16 pm
Thinking of moving my ETF portfolio from ETFSA to EasyEquities.. Any opinions?
I buy monthly via debit order and did the math, it's substantially cheaper to use EE, even with buying 4 shares monthly than the %pa cost of ETFSA..

Only concern is reinvestment of dividends. ETFSA is a debit order and forget, where as EE needs bit more management.
EE also doesn't have an adequate amount of ETF shares in "stock", e.g. divtrax can only buy R1600 at time...

Due to the exact same reasons, I'm in the process of making a similar move from Satrix Direct (AOS Partners) to EE. Last debit order and subsequent purchase takes 40-days to 'clear' so my move should be concluded by 16 Sep. They charge R 170 per holding to transfer, but should be worth it in the long run, unless EE starts charging a p.a. fee too...

Regarding auto divi re-investment, if I remember correctly, this is something EE are looking into 'for the future', but for the time being, you'll have to manually buy more with divi returns. Not a big pain for me, actually prefer it that way flexibility wise.

The liquidity issues for some of the EE ETFs have been raised a couple of times on threads here - seems that a call to their call centre will sort that out - they might charge a fee (R50?) for this. I recently bought some on which the limit was about R3,5k per purchase - I just repeated the process a few times until I had the amount what I was looking for. I think it costs the same as any bulk purchase as there's no pricing tiers, but I might be wrong.

From another poster in another thread, it seems that getting EE to show the correct base cost for all your transferred holdings might be a bit of an issue, since there are multiple purchases on the ETFSA portfolio due to DD. I simply calculated the base cost  by taking total cost by number of shares held - that matched my Satrix total base cost and that is what I will provide EE to show as my base cost once my Satrix portfolio has transferred.
I would advise you to be very pedantic regarding base costs when switching your portfolio as it could significant implications when dealing with SARS on issues of CGT. Also I have a view that the receiving broker should record the original date on which you purchased the counters as the transfer from present to future broker is nothing more than an electronic transfer of counter volumes and there should be no price movements. When you come to sell a counter there should not be a necessity to convince SARS that you have held the counters longer than the prescribed 3 year period - the burden of proof should not be with you.
So once transferred - just check that the new records reflect the reality of when you purchased the counters and that the base figures are reflective of when you purchased them
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Post by: gcr on August 31, 2015, 03:25:05 pm
Patrick - as a matter of interest why is Taste Holdings not on our list of counter to take into our portfolios. Can you incorporate?
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2015, 04:05:22 pm
Yes, I'm not sure why it isn't there. Initially it was decided anything that trades over R1 and more than 16 times a day.
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Post by: Orca on August 31, 2015, 08:40:23 pm
Rules is rules and stick to it. BTW @jaDEB, I cannot find your name on the challenge. Nor can I find mine. I last saw mine at 256. Please assist.
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Post by: gcr on August 31, 2015, 08:58:31 pm
Rules is rules and stick to it. BTW @jaDEB, I cannot find your name on the challenge. Nor can I find mine. I last saw mine at 256. Please assist.
Rules are rules until they are challenged, so in essence you subscribe to the penny stocks that are included in the list of choice
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Post by: Broke(r) on August 31, 2015, 09:31:15 pm
I would advise you to be very pedantic regarding base costs when switching your portfolio as it could significant implications when dealing with SARS on issues of CGT. Also I have a view that the receiving broker should record the original date on which you purchased the counters as the transfer from present to future broker is nothing more than an electronic transfer of counter volumes and there should be no price movements. When you come to sell a counter there should not be a necessity to convince SARS that you have held the counters longer than the prescribed 3 year period - the burden of proof should not be with you.
So once transferred - just check that the new records reflect the reality of when you purchased the counters and that the base figures are reflective of when you purchased them

Thanks, some very valid points - I didn't consider the tax implication.
Anyone with experience on transferring into EE? Holdings with multiple purchases at multiple price-points - is the EE portal showing this correctly for you?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 08:13:46 am
@ Orca, u need to look higher, I is 65th ... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 08:16:47 am
oohhhh, looks like Frikkie is visiting today ...
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 01, 2015, 09:25:30 am
Ag nee sies man
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2015, 09:53:28 am
You're not shorting today MP? Btw, what did you think of this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-28/while-many-panicked-japanese-day-trader-made-34-million
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 10:16:08 am
Shorts - Frikkie - LOL = nightmares
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 01, 2015, 11:29:25 am
@P:  No, I've been dormant since late June, need a break from trading now and then or I will lose all contact with reality  :D  I saw that article, just wow! @j:  Don't go there :)
 
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 11:32:44 am
Japanese trader "For him the basic rule is: “Buy stocks that are being bought, and sell stocks that are being sold.”"
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Post by: Moonraker on September 01, 2015, 01:52:00 pm
Ha..ha..ha - Must be in a bit of a quandry when there is indiscriminate selling of stocks.
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Post by: Tefofo on September 01, 2015, 02:15:43 pm
How do I get the moola?
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2015, 02:29:18 pm
@Tefofo, click on the "My Holdings" page and it'll be charged up.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 03:02:42 pm
@Frikkie, click on the "Go away button" - PLEASE leave my NPN alone, Please
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2015, 05:06:33 pm
 ithink Frikkie has his speedo on :'(
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Post by: Orca on September 01, 2015, 06:25:40 pm
Mankini.
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Post by: Orca on September 01, 2015, 09:17:03 pm
If I were a trader, I would go long on ADI for a cool 4%.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 02, 2015, 05:09:38 am
If I were a trader, I would go long on ADI for a cool 4%.

I think I'll try catch today's MPC's bounce :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2015, 07:57:01 am
What happened to MPC yesterday? Everything was fine until 2pm then it just fell off a cliff?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 08:05:27 am
South African clothing retailer Mr Price's 21-week sales up 9 pct
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 09:27:54 am
Mr Price Group shares fell the most in more than 14 years after the South African clothing and household-goods retailer said low levels of consumer confidence and “some poor fashion calls” curbed sales.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 09:28:37 am
Orca !! u there ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 02, 2015, 09:39:02 am
Dow -470 points last night, don't see that too often, Europe green atm.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 09:45:39 am
DJ Futures is up
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 10:04:43 am
which website do u use for shares / graphs. I use Bloomberg but it sucks
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 10:37:32 am
Patrick, the Comp is broken, shows my value 1,037,746 but leaderbord shows 811,564. I know I am knoob but that is unfair :'(
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2015, 11:09:48 am
Yes, you are probably affected by the bug on the 21st. Do you remember what you bought KIO for around that date?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 11:18:25 am
No, I think it was about R88, but it was trading at about R90 high . Thus u are save if u wanna use that. ..
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2015, 11:22:52 am
I'll go for the middle, R89. Does that look better?
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2015, 11:25:19 am
Nice storming up the leaderboard BTW.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2015, 12:03:51 pm
Yes, DRD I bought, up after results, Gold up & Rand 13.48
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Post by: Orca on September 02, 2015, 12:34:07 pm
Orca !! u there ?
Been stuck at home with injured wife after a bad fall. She went down like Black Monday.
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2015, 12:40:28 pm
Ouch sorry to hear it. How was the medical care in PT?
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Post by: Orca on September 02, 2015, 01:34:39 pm
Quite an experience P. Will write it in my blog.
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Post by: chang9015 on September 03, 2015, 06:57:15 am
@Pat, I think i have some monies missing on the leaderboard compared to actual holdings in my portfolio, mind taking a look when you have time? :) thanks in advance
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Post by: Patrick on September 03, 2015, 07:25:54 am
@chang, check it now.
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Post by: chang9015 on September 03, 2015, 11:38:10 am
@Pat, looks better. thank you kindly :)
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Post by: gcr on September 03, 2015, 12:33:32 pm
Patrick - can you look at my portfolio as well please
Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on September 03, 2015, 12:50:03 pm
Yours seems to balance GCR, unless you both bought and sold the same share on the 20th/21st August and both transactions were lost.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 03, 2015, 02:45:21 pm
ACL hit R8.80  wow, I think Frikkie is drinking tee there :'(
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Post by: gcr on September 03, 2015, 03:12:36 pm
Yours seems to balance GCR, unless you both bought and sold the same share on the 20th/21st August and both transactions were lost.
Seems like my Mr Price has dumped me down the leaderboard by about R 54,000 - so yes I think you are right
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Post by: jaDEB on September 03, 2015, 05:46:57 pm
Patrick, pls just check, I think I was paid OCE Dividends twice in the competition?
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2015, 07:27:52 am
Yes, I'll have to reverse the cash you received. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 04, 2015, 08:24:54 am
@Patrick, U got very nasty since u been married...
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 04, 2015, 08:44:24 am
Hehe, no he's still on honeymoon, just wait - soon he'll be just as nasty as us :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 04, 2015, 09:17:42 am
My holdings is missing a 70k profit I made a while ago :)
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Post by: MrMafia on September 04, 2015, 09:18:08 am
O.o Patrick, show me the money!  :P
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2015, 10:21:30 am
:) I'm guessing you sold ANG on the 20th or 21st right? Any idea on the price then?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 07, 2015, 04:45:18 pm
U.S. markets closed for Labor Day
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Post by: Patrick on September 08, 2015, 12:31:37 pm
Is Frikkie on leave today?
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Post by: Orca on September 08, 2015, 01:00:31 pm
Yes. But he's back tomorrow.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2015, 04:25:33 pm
He is shopping for a new leopard speedo shorts
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2015, 04:49:52 pm
I am happy he is taking a break, I need it :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2015, 05:18:41 pm
qriffin, u still there ?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 09, 2015, 10:31:51 am
Patrick, my screen is not working, who is 3rd ?
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Post by: Patrick on September 09, 2015, 10:52:25 am
Nicely done!
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 09, 2015, 02:48:16 pm
Big mouth :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 09, 2015, 03:32:38 pm
Sorry, should fall back to 334 soon :'(
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Post by: Orca on September 09, 2015, 07:42:07 pm
You are in 2 minds now. Take profit or hope the reversal continues. Difficult gamble but as I say to HIV sufferers. "Stay positive".
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Post by: Patrick on September 10, 2015, 08:17:56 am
@jaDEB, if you take profit, you'll have to pay taxes :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 10, 2015, 08:23:56 am
Are u saying SARS are reading your website? ps. My name is not jaDEB, my name is Roy, from poffadder. Will change my profile.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 10, 2015, 08:39:05 am
Ag dammit, Frikkie is back
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 10, 2015, 08:46:30 am
Nooooo
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Post by: Bevan on September 11, 2015, 09:20:45 am
I reckon Frikkie is pissed off and hungover this morning and we will see him throwing his toys later.....
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Post by: jaDEB on September 11, 2015, 09:48:02 am
I just hope he is not Chuck Norris in disguise :'(
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Post by: Bevan on September 11, 2015, 11:32:41 am
I think Frikkie (or Chuck) will let the market rally a little before we go completely 100% risk off into the weekend. Expect Wall Street to sell off later after close of JSE.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 14, 2015, 05:48:15 pm
ffs, Frikkie is playing with my GNL.
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Post by: Bevan on September 15, 2015, 01:16:37 pm
no, the market is playing with your GNL. Market doesn't believe in Ivan's outsized bet on coal and nor do I
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Post by: Moonraker on September 15, 2015, 05:47:49 pm
Can't post. Plugin missing frame.
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2015, 07:34:29 pm
can you mail me a screenshot moon. [email protected]
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Post by: Orca on September 15, 2015, 07:41:12 pm
Hey jaDEB. I was looking what Porno_Ster was up to in the mid 200 area for some time and decided to visit you in the top 10 but cannot find you.
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Post by: Bedlamp on September 16, 2015, 05:54:11 am
pfg
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Post by: jaDEB on September 16, 2015, 07:32:53 am
I know Orca, I know. my GLN is going down :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on September 16, 2015, 09:28:36 am
can you mail me a screenshot moon. [email protected]

Test. seems to be when posting linked content.
Stocks deliver in the long term (http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2015/09/15/stocks-deliver-in-the-long-term)
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Post by: Patrick on September 16, 2015, 12:57:44 pm
That's really weird. What device/browser are you using? Have you seen that on any other pages? I don't have any content that needs plugins, but maybe google is trying to show flash ads or something.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 16, 2015, 01:07:45 pm
Mega brewing deal nears as AB InBev approaches SABMiller (http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/retail/2015/09/16/mega-brewing-deal-nears-as-ab-inbev-approaches-sabmiller)

It seems to be uBlock₀ (Will check).

Mega brewing deal nears as AB InBev approaches SABMiller (http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/retail/2015/09/16/mega-brewing-deal-nears-as-ab-inbev-approaches-sabmiller)

No, funny it's OK now. Thanks. Thought it was @@||www.google.com/cse/cse.js?cx=015213305976783395510:fdoiloqbbuk$script,domain=shareforum.co.za which I allowed as you can see, but no difference.
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Post by: gcr on September 17, 2015, 10:20:05 am
I don't think there is going to be a rate change in USA today - though hawkish statements will still be made
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Post by: Moonraker on September 17, 2015, 10:29:20 am
To agree to disagree is fun. I think there may well be an increase, let's say ⅛ %
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Post by: Patrick on September 17, 2015, 08:06:48 pm
So was there a bet between you two or just bragging rights?
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Post by: Orca on September 17, 2015, 08:29:08 pm
Unchanged so expect a good run up tomorrow.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 18, 2015, 09:43:47 am
gcr wins by ⅛% :)
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Post by: Orca on September 18, 2015, 09:50:09 am
Zero hike priced in already.
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Post by: chang9015 on September 18, 2015, 04:27:32 pm
what happened to that good run that was supposed to happen today?
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Post by: Orca on September 18, 2015, 06:14:05 pm
The zero rate hike was priced in from 2 days ago so markets should have been relatively flat. It went south because she did not mention a strengthening economy. This spooked the markets. 
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Post by: chang9015 on September 19, 2015, 01:47:24 am
Ah... Thanks kindly for the clarification. Greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2015, 12:56:34 pm
Made a few changes to this chat box. Is it displaying better on your ipads/tablets/phones etc?
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Post by: Orca on September 21, 2015, 02:45:09 pm
Appearance still the same on my laptop but I still can't "shout" as it flickers every few seconds and my post would disappear. Have to do so via "Off Topic".
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Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2015, 11:56:08 pm
Has it been like this for a while or just since today Orca? I've only changed the layout, so it shouldn't have affected the refresh.
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Post by: rjthomas on September 22, 2015, 11:12:37 am
What software do you recommend for tracking share prices from JSE? I also want to get history, PE ratios, etc. Free is good but I'm open to paying for a subscription
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2015, 11:50:11 am
Been like this forever. It refreshes every 120 seconds and will delete what you have typed. I have to wait for it to flicker then I have 2 minutes to type.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2015, 11:59:47 am
https://itradedata.co.za/index/I_Fullname.htm as per Moonraker (Mr Bond)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2015, 01:25:26 pm
Ohhh, Frikkie is back......
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Post by: rjthomas on September 22, 2015, 01:53:13 pm
Thanks very much jaDEB, I heard of iTrade before but didn't know it was free
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Post by: Patrick on September 22, 2015, 02:06:28 pm
Been like this forever. It refreshes every 120 seconds and will delete what you have typed. I have to wait for it to flicker then I have 2 minutes to type.

Ah, you're right, that refresh does happen every 2 minutes. It's set to not refresh if you're typing, but it's client side, so it might not work for everyone. I'll up it to 5 minutes to give you more time.
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Post by: Patrick on September 22, 2015, 03:17:09 pm
Ok, changed it to 5 minutes Orca. The other option I have is to remove the auto-refresh, and just put a refresh button. Any comments anyone?
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Post by: gcr on September 22, 2015, 03:35:49 pm
Sometimes 5 minutes may not be long enough especially if you are typing quite a long response/view. I still only type with two fingers so my speed is somewhat limited O:-)
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2015, 04:43:45 pm
Thanks P. 5 mins is fine as shouting is meant to be short anyway.
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Post by: Orca on September 23, 2015, 08:57:11 pm
The UK blue-chip index rose 1.9% alongside rising eurozone markets, which were buoyed by a recovery in  car maker stocks. MTA ???
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Post by: Fawkes85 on September 24, 2015, 08:04:52 am
I never thought I would say this but...I really dislike public holidays now
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Post by: chang9015 on September 24, 2015, 12:39:13 pm
hahah because its boring!!
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Post by: Orca on September 24, 2015, 02:44:09 pm
Off to the Cotswold and Wales for 2 weeks tomorrow.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 25, 2015, 08:53:57 am
I owe I owe, off to work I go :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on September 25, 2015, 02:15:44 pm
See Frikkie is at Glencore today
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Post by: Mbuyi on September 26, 2015, 07:23:30 pm
cash
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 09:06:22 am
'allo 'allo
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 28, 2015, 10:02:16 am
I forgot my password today ☺️ Anyway just checking in, watching whales in Hermanus.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 10:05:13 am
Is wales playing again today ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 28, 2015, 10:08:21 am
Haha, these whales are also playing, it is mating season after all.
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Post by: Patrick on September 28, 2015, 12:39:43 pm
Are you in Hermanus MP?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 28, 2015, 01:46:47 pm
I was, now Cpt.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 03:10:43 pm
GLN down 31% .....
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 03:43:05 pm
Bought GLN in the IC @ R18.53....
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Post by: Fawkes85 on September 28, 2015, 05:39:03 pm
God damn DIVTRX!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 05:58:43 pm
I miss Moneypenny's new high / new low thread :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on September 28, 2015, 06:02:02 pm
Cause that will be 1 busy 1 :'(
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Post by: Patrick on September 28, 2015, 06:53:10 pm
Sigh, I bought on Friday...
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Post by: Trebron on September 29, 2015, 09:55:03 am
Hi Moneypenny, can you have a look at my holdings please. My AQP purchase does not add up with the average cost that it is showing. Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 29, 2015, 11:02:14 am
Hallo Trebron, that would be Patrick, our resident IT guru, he'll fix it, he's smart that way. 😀
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 29, 2015, 11:09:20 am
@jD: I'm planning to give more time to shares soon, I'll pick up the slack and start contributing more  ;) Don't even want to look at IC, can only guess.
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Post by: Patrick on September 29, 2015, 11:16:07 am
Hey Trebron, which account is yours? I can't find a Trebron on the leaderboard.
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Post by: Patrick on September 30, 2015, 08:13:30 am
Ok found you Trebron, check again, all should be sorted now.
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Post by: Trebron on September 30, 2015, 09:01:09 am
Hi Patrick, Thanks a mill
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Post by: jaDEB on October 01, 2015, 12:23:10 pm
I wonder where is Frikkie ?
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Post by: Bevan on October 01, 2015, 12:42:00 pm
Frikki's on holiday. It's the 4th quarter, market is calm and looking for any excuse to rally.
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Post by: Patrick on October 01, 2015, 02:06:58 pm
Tell him to come back around the 25th please ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 01, 2015, 05:15:01 pm
Nobody dares to tell Frikkie what to do ..
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Post by: jaDEB on October 05, 2015, 08:31:09 am
Glencore Surges 72 Percent in Hong Kong Amid Unit Sale Talks
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2015, 09:35:37 am
Is that a misprint? 72% or 7.2%? Edit, I see it's not a misprint  ???
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Post by: jaDEB on October 05, 2015, 09:44:24 am
Also look at leader board ... :)
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2015, 01:22:38 pm
jaDEB at #3  8) where were you on Friday?

Finally have more than R30k in my TFSA. Took long enough! Anyone know when we're allowed to add another R30k? Is it January 1st or only March 1st?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 05, 2015, 01:44:14 pm
Friday was outside of 10th
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Post by: JohnnyH on October 05, 2015, 02:35:51 pm
@ Patrick, March if I am not mistaken
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Post by: FWSteyn on October 05, 2015, 02:37:21 pm
Why are the share prices updated so slowly?  It feels like it updates only once every 10-15min?
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2015, 02:48:27 pm
That's about right, the prices are updated every 10-15 minutes. Then to stop people from taking advantage of live prices, all transactions are held back for another 15 minutes, and updated with the live at purchase time price. So if you're a intra-day trader it'll suck, but for anyone else it's probably pretty fair.
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Post by: FWSteyn on October 05, 2015, 02:51:32 pm
Ah ok, that makes sense.  I forgot that I was registered here, and what the rules/regulations were, since I registered about 4 years ago.  I thought I could make a quick buck.  This delay system is costing me 1.2% total worth!
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2015, 04:01:31 pm
:) on the bright side, the fact that you're above 0% puts you well into the lead!
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Post by: Lamak on October 05, 2015, 05:08:11 pm
Hi Patrick. I added the RMBT40 div but it's not updating on my account. Can you help please. Cheers
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2015, 06:17:07 pm
Give it a week Lamak, dividends are only paid on weekends.
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Post by: Lamak on October 05, 2015, 06:32:57 pm
Thank you
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Post by: Moonraker on October 06, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
SABMiller Plc rejected an informal takeover offer from Anheuser-Busch InBev NV of about 66.4 billion pounds ($100 billion) that it considered too low, according to people familiar with the matter. SABMiller today released a surprise trading update nine days earlier than planned, in which it announced that beer volume had returned to growth in the second quarter, helped by Africa and Latin America --- a trend that could figure into a sweetened offer from AB InBev.
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Post by: Datura on October 06, 2015, 01:10:21 pm
Interesting
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Post by: agentrfr on October 06, 2015, 04:11:38 pm
SAB
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Post by: agentrfr on October 06, 2015, 04:12:00 pm
whoopsy that isnt a search bar lol
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Post by: Patrick on October 06, 2015, 10:03:08 pm
You're not the first to try that agentrfr :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 12:43:55 pm
I thought the AQP buyers is goings to kick my ass in the IC?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 01:02:40 pm
Patrick - Restrictions: 10 per post, maximum total size 512KB, maximum individual size 512KB
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Post by: Patrick on October 07, 2015, 02:36:36 pm
Where do you see that jaDEB? Trying to post more than 10 attachments?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 02:39:50 pm
I can posy more, but it limits the total size to 512kb, not 512kb per attachment. But total to 512kb.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 02:40:13 pm
posy ? what the frik is posy? post !!
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Post by: Patrick on October 07, 2015, 02:43:36 pm
Try posy more now, the new limit is 4096
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 02:55:42 pm
lol :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 07, 2015, 05:00:54 pm
Rant @ R13.36 :)
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Post by: Patrick on October 08, 2015, 03:02:59 pm
Easy equities just gave me another R50. What nice guys. I was meant to buy shares with it, but I've already maxed out my TFSA, so I transferred it to my bank account :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 08, 2015, 03:12:18 pm
R50?, that is not even 2 boxes of smokes
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Post by: jaDEB on October 08, 2015, 05:40:29 pm
Patrick, my OCE is showing incorrect. qty is not right, I bought on 1st Oct. My overall value is correct.
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Post by: Patrick on October 08, 2015, 09:34:58 pm
how many should you have?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2015, 07:59:46 am
2015-10-01 10:11:54    OCE    OCEANA GROUP LTD    1309    9718    R127 717,45
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2015, 08:00:21 am
nvm see u fixed it :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2015, 08:28:58 am
nvm still not lekker, see my posy on sandbox Patrick
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2015, 09:11:49 am
Will check it out
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2015, 09:27:24 am
Looking into it jaDEB
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2015, 09:28:31 am
did you perhaps sell 7142 shares around the 20th/21st August?
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2015, 09:34:53 am
I see you bought KIO on the 21st, so I'm guessing you raised the money by selling OCE. That was the day the trades vanished, so I added KIO back for you, now need to add the sale of OCE.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2015, 09:56:35 am
No, all is fine, it is just that when u click on holdings, it is right, but if u click on your name it shows wrong
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2015, 09:58:02 am
See screen shots in sand box
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 09, 2015, 12:18:43 pm
I'm afraid discussion in attached link is true.  My iPhone6S Plus 64Gb has same issues, make sure yours is working before leaving the shop, none of the remedies mentioned by Apple forum sorted it so far. :(     https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6559300?tstart=0     Any bright ideas how to fix this?
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Post by: Patrick on October 09, 2015, 12:36:25 pm
No idea, but now I know why there has been that one annoying guy in the gym speaking on loudspeaker all the time!
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 09, 2015, 12:40:11 pm
Jip, you can do a lot with it except making a call old school.
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Post by: Moonraker on October 09, 2015, 05:33:19 pm
President Jacob Zuma has appealed to all companies – particularly those who do business with the state – to donate money to the ANC, warning that those who did not do so would be in “danger”.   http://mg.co.za/article/2015-10-09-your-business-is-in-danger-if-you-dont-donate-to-the-anc-zuma
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 09, 2015, 05:43:26 pm
Yeah. I read that. Gotta give it to the man. He just goes out and say it. Doesn't speak in riddles like other politicians. Just shows how arrogant the ANC has become
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Post by: rspijkerman on October 10, 2015, 09:28:49 am
sappi
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Post by: Datura on October 12, 2015, 09:10:24 am
High/Low Price(c) (24 Months)    5 165/ 2 750
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 12, 2015, 04:08:25 pm
Why no JustOneLap newsletter today? I look forward to my Monday JSEDirects!
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Post by: czc on October 12, 2015, 05:14:07 pm
Fawkes got the newsletter at 07:00, check your spam folder?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 12, 2015, 05:27:52 pm
It's not there :(
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Post by: Bevan on October 13, 2015, 09:10:20 am
SABMiller agrees takeover at GBP 44 per share
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Post by: Patrick on October 13, 2015, 09:38:00 am
@Bevan, big news, now I imagine the courts decide if it's anti-competitive?
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Post by: Bevan on October 13, 2015, 12:55:08 pm
first I imagine the investment bankers and lawyers all get their pound of flesh as they cobble the actual mechanics of the deal together..... then submit for CompCom approval around the world.... going to be interesting, wonder what happens to SAB's BEE and employee shareholder scheme?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 14, 2015, 05:24:15 pm
I wonder where is Frikkie ?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 14, 2015, 05:33:29 pm
Somebody want to explain Frikkie to me?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 14, 2015, 05:45:32 pm
Frikkie is my imaginary friend, dressed only in a leopard skin shorts. When he comes out to play, in my sandbox,  my shares gets a hiding. Of course he does not only effect my shares.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 14, 2015, 05:46:23 pm
I know moneypenny gets nightmares about him... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 15, 2015, 08:05:07 am
any1 bought Sygnia?
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 15, 2015, 09:10:51 am
@jaDEB:  Nope, I like Frikkie 'cause I like to short the market, but his shorts on the other hand - scary.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on October 15, 2015, 11:26:11 am
bought a tiny amount jaDEB
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Post by: chang9015 on October 15, 2015, 06:47:18 pm
Only able to get a tiny amount...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 19, 2015, 08:18:06 am
China’s economy expanded quicker than economists forecast in the third quarter as the services sector propped up the world’s second-largest economy, suggesting monetary and fiscal stimulus is keeping Premier Li Keqiang’s 2015 expansion target within reach
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 19, 2015, 12:43:14 pm
If there are shares we want to buy in the Investor Challenge and it is not available on the list can it be added?
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Post by: Orca on October 19, 2015, 01:17:51 pm
Only liquid shares that trade more than 16 per day.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 19, 2015, 02:34:05 pm
16 as in volume or 16 trades a day?
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Post by: Patrick on October 19, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
16 trades a day. It was an arbitrary number that would allow the price to update every half hour on average. Any less than this and people could make trades that were impossible in reality.
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Post by: Lamak on October 19, 2015, 09:47:37 pm
Hi Patrick.

I would like to know if there is a possibility of changing this compitition to a five year one. So, make the current one run for 5 years. And have the any al one as well???just a thort, but I will love it. Let me know
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Post by: Patrick on October 19, 2015, 11:15:08 pm
I've had a couple of thoughts like that. It does add some complications for new people joining, so my thinking is that I should allow you to go back to your end year holdings, and see where you'd be with those in todays prices. Kind of a halfway mark to what you're after I guess?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 20, 2015, 04:20:07 pm
See Frikkie is back at ACL again.
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Post by: Lamak on October 20, 2015, 05:20:40 pm
That sounds brilliant Patrick. It is a good start. I've learned so much on this site and would absolutely love it more... 8)
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Post by: Patrick on October 21, 2015, 08:13:01 am
I'll work on it, the current figures and historical figures are in different databases, so it'll be a challenge!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 21, 2015, 08:49:02 am
Can anyone access FNB's website?
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 21, 2015, 08:49:52 am
And we are back to the future today:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tf8mPsvcOs
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Post by: jaDEB on October 21, 2015, 10:06:46 am
@ Fwakes... Yes I can open FNB
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Post by: Orca on October 21, 2015, 02:15:09 pm
@Mp. I would love to see how we lived in 2015.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 21, 2015, 02:34:16 pm
Again the EFF is disrupting parly doing their best to keep the minister from delivering his speech
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Post by: jaDEB on October 21, 2015, 02:43:45 pm
MP are u buying RACE shares today?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 21, 2015, 02:45:46 pm
Ferrari races toward its Wall Street debut (Code RACE) fikkin nice !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on October 21, 2015, 06:09:14 pm
RACE    +7.73% 56.02  
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Post by: Moonraker on October 22, 2015, 08:21:36 am
Luxury goods stock - like Richemont - should be a corker.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 22, 2015, 09:12:39 am
@ jaDEB:  No, the only thing I know about Ferrari is Enzo’s history.

@ O:  I find it interesting that people always expect the future to be way more progressive than what it turns out to be.  There are always flying cars in futuristic movies, don’t know why. The self lacing shoes are on their way :) but they somehow missed 3-D printing and internet/wifi.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 22, 2015, 05:33:13 pm
BBrrmmmmmm  RACE    +9.23% 56.80
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Post by: Patrick on October 23, 2015, 10:17:41 am
So long term I see the amount of cars being sold decreasing. We've probably passed "peak car" by now, but who knows, maybe ferrari would be immune as it's never been about transport.
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Post by: JohnnyH on October 23, 2015, 01:56:42 pm
A nice green day, all over the world is seems! DJ Futures indicating another 0.93% up today :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 23, 2015, 02:29:21 pm
It has been a good week. Went from being R6 000 down on one of my positions to being R10 000 up this week :)
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Post by: gcr on October 23, 2015, 04:27:27 pm
Many people consider October a bad month for share price movements, in my experience this is not normally true.
October has in fact been a rewarding month for my portfolio as it has moved up by about R 200,000 to date, hope the balance of the month doesn't knock a big hole in the growth/paper profit :TU:
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on October 23, 2015, 05:50:49 pm
My TFSA is finally back in the green - many months in the red, my main account is still 10% off  it's highs, a fair amount of that was the demise of CML - haven't sold any though.
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Post by: Orca on October 25, 2015, 11:41:19 pm
CML's books closed end September and that is before the upturn. I expect a plunge due. Then again, I may not always be wrong and never been right with CML but I suspect she will dive.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 26, 2015, 07:16:28 am
Been wondering about that. Why has CML taken such a dive?
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Post by: Orca on October 26, 2015, 10:26:02 am
CML...Trading statement lower by 5 to 15%. Not as bad as I was expecting.
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Post by: Orca on October 26, 2015, 12:54:54 pm
@Fawkes85. CML's income is mostly from Performance Fees and the markets have not done well.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 26, 2015, 01:35:08 pm
Ah. Was thinking of investing while prices are down but if that is where they make most of their money I don't see this as something good to go long on. I think SA investors are becoming much more savvy and understanding the rip off of management fees and especially performance fees.
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Post by: tmsf12 on October 26, 2015, 02:05:14 pm
What just happened to BBET40?

Date              PDT   Price   Volume
26/10 13:32   AT   5451   2,361
26/10 13:21   AT   6740   2
26/10 12:45   AT   8430   60
26/10 12:39   AT   8450   9
26/10 12:37   AT   5450   300
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Post by: Patrick on October 26, 2015, 02:15:33 pm
Looks like there's a problem with the market maker so there's an absolutely huge spread!
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 02:32:31 pm
MTN trading halt...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 02:54:02 pm
what is happening wiff MTN ?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 02:54:49 pm
Yes Captian slow - South Africa's MTN shares fall 5 pct on report of Nigeria fine
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 02:55:19 pm
they got fined by Nigeria for R70b for not disconnecting unregistered sims, down 10% before it was halted
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 02:55:56 pm
R173 per share..... so tempting hahah
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 02:56:42 pm
actually amazed indi25 is still in the green after this MTN stunt lol
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 02:59:25 pm
That is what the Inves Challenge is for, practice, sold everything and bought MTN....
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 03:01:16 pm
but its halted....? or does it still run on the challenge hahaha
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:05:20 pm
sHhhH, DAMMIT !!! NOW u ratted me out.... there will be a knock on your door in a moment, open it, I dare you...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:11:16 pm
are u sure it is halted? shows trading @ 14h55?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:15:14 pm
and @ 14h58...
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 03:23:25 pm
I see so as well.... guessing some sources arent always reliant
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 03:26:11 pm
i apologize... still trading.. happy days..
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:30:16 pm
No just joking..Patrick can have a look and if u are correct he can cancell my trade.
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Post by: chang9015 on October 26, 2015, 03:31:50 pm
nah.. i just checked with online broker.. trades are still going live and active.. my mistake... lets hope this doesnt turn into an opportunity trap for you :P
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:32:05 pm
or make it when it was traded after suspension..
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 03:37:18 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 26, 2015, 05:29:29 pm
MTN gets hit with HUGE fine: http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/mtn-confirms-nigerian-unit-fined-5-2bn/
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Post by: Fawkes85 on October 26, 2015, 05:30:00 pm
Bit ridiculous if you ask me
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 05:44:36 pm
agree
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2015, 05:47:34 pm
MTN Traded R2,708,780,670 NPN Traded R 1,891,774,229
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Post by: Patrick on October 26, 2015, 06:42:20 pm
I think the fine will be retracted at some point, but that doesn't mean I think money won't change hands...
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Post by: chang9015 on October 27, 2015, 07:39:12 am
TIA
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Post by: jaDEB on October 27, 2015, 02:08:55 pm
Sorry I have to ask... TIA ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 27, 2015, 02:31:59 pm
Hehe, let's help you... Tia who?
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Post by: Patrick on October 27, 2015, 02:55:23 pm
This is Africa?
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Post by: chang9015 on October 27, 2015, 03:45:44 pm
yep, from blood diamond haha
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Post by: MfanakhitiInvestment on October 28, 2015, 01:19:52 pm
any site you know to help you trade better ?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 28, 2015, 03:05:29 pm
Use https://itradedata.co.za/Data/
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Post by: JohnnyH on October 29, 2015, 12:24:50 pm
Resources & Gold falling off a cliff again today...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 29, 2015, 02:14:05 pm
Hello Frikkie...see u are back..
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Post by: Orca on October 29, 2015, 04:10:58 pm
Not too bad today jaDEB. We are substantially overbought in the short term and it has to pull back soon.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 29, 2015, 04:44:01 pm
Yes, agreed, but it is still not lekker :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on October 29, 2015, 04:50:55 pm
oohhhhh...MTN is postive .....
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Post by: Orca on October 29, 2015, 05:25:52 pm
ADI...my star stock goes stratospheric!
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Post by: Lamak on October 31, 2015, 10:46:02 am
Did the stxindi pay a dividend in the last week or so?
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Post by: gcr on October 31, 2015, 02:51:11 pm
Yes - they paid out on 21/10/2015
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Post by: Lamak on October 31, 2015, 09:21:50 pm
Thanx.  I will add it
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Post by: kolbec on November 02, 2015, 11:19:29 am
com
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 02, 2015, 11:23:08 am
MTN share trading suspended
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Post by: jaDEB on November 02, 2015, 11:31:48 am
Scary stuff
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Post by: chang9015 on November 02, 2015, 11:36:45 am
Hahaha for real this time.. Guess the talks aren't going well..
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Post by: chang9015 on November 02, 2015, 01:06:45 pm
any short MTN?
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Post by: Datura on November 02, 2015, 02:52:50 pm
/keeps MTN shares purely out of curiosity :)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 03, 2015, 07:42:51 am
Activision Blizzard to buy 'Candy Crush' maker King for $5.9 billion
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Post by: MegaPix on November 03, 2015, 10:55:28 am
mondi
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Post by: Moonraker on November 03, 2015, 01:15:50 pm
Fawkes85 - check post under 'Income from REITS
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Post by: buffie on November 03, 2015, 06:40:16 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on November 04, 2015, 11:35:56 am
GLN up 8% :)
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Post by: Moonraker on November 04, 2015, 11:54:22 am
@ Fawkes85 http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/property/redefine-international-retail-developments-stack-up-in-germany/
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 04, 2015, 01:49:29 pm
Thanx. Saw it
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 04, 2015, 01:50:36 pm
Why TEX been taking such a beating for the last month though?
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Post by: Orca on November 04, 2015, 02:01:45 pm
TEX has historically been flat and volatile so nothing new.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 04, 2015, 02:32:06 pm
Well that is good to hear actually. Would mean I can continue buying at a good DY
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Post by: gcr on November 05, 2015, 09:31:13 am
See Top 40 reached an all time high of 49192.90 yesterday (my recording)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 05, 2015, 09:44:52 am
I am up to third position in my group for the Investor Challenge :) At least for now
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Post by: jaDEB on November 05, 2015, 10:26:55 am
I think Frikkie parked his caravan just outside Lonmin
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Post by: Strive on November 05, 2015, 02:26:50 pm
retirment annuity
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Post by: Strive on November 05, 2015, 02:27:13 pm
Haha, please ignore that, mistook this for the search bar
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Post by: Patrick on November 05, 2015, 02:42:08 pm
Welcome strive, you're part of a very inclusinve club of people to have done that :P
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Post by: joeman on November 05, 2015, 03:09:29 pm
Hi guys. Do any of these traders/analysts who make recommendations on which share to buy, sell or hold ever go back and historically check whether their recommendations were accurate? Even ignoring dividend income and basing it on capital growth only? I'm new to this so perhaps this has been asked and/or answered somewhere else. I see EasyStockPicker has some backtesting methodology they use but it looks complicated
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Post by: chang9015 on November 06, 2015, 02:03:55 pm
Indicies getting hammered with both BIL and CFR down c.7%
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2015, 02:04:19 pm
I was a b#ll hair close in buying LON.....
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Post by: Moonraker on November 06, 2015, 04:18:51 pm
Dec. Fed increase now practically a cert after payrolls. $ rocketing. Watch those bond yields.
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Post by: Orca on November 07, 2015, 04:31:21 pm
You never buy LON. You only short it. Same with KIO.
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Post by: Orca on November 08, 2015, 11:36:58 am
The Sunday Telegraph: Lonmin, the world’s third-largest platinum miner, is expected to unveil record losses as it discloses support for a £266 million rescue rights issue.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 08, 2015, 05:20:43 pm
Macro economics rule. Wonder what resources will do tomorrow after the 16%+ decline in Chinese imports for October. Will the possibility of more Chinese stimulus help commodities, or will the decline in imports (4th month in a row) cause a further sell off. Your pick.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 09, 2015, 09:45:42 am
Runt even weakening against Aussie $ - fellow commodity producer.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2015, 10:25:28 am
I have AVL - Aussie/Rant is good for them.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 10, 2015, 11:44:40 am
Frikkie at LON
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Post by: Nivek on November 10, 2015, 02:17:07 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_-TA6aWYAAgu_S.jpg)
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Post by: Moonraker on November 11, 2015, 03:20:47 pm
@Orca. New socialist cum commie government in Portugal. Oh boy.
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2015, 04:05:23 pm
Portuguese Government Falls As Socialists, Communists Topple PM. Euro currency will be on par with the USD soon. Communists have agreed not to exit Euro.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 11, 2015, 05:27:06 pm
And just when you thought you got away from the commies here in SA
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2015, 06:11:46 pm
The commies are actually the smallest party in the leftist coalition so no problem. All people are jubilant here.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 12, 2015, 09:27:15 am
OCE results looks good..took day off for RR
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Post by: Crabby on November 13, 2015, 08:50:27 am
How often do SatrixINDI pay dividends ?
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Post by: gcr on November 13, 2015, 09:55:25 am
In my portfolio MPC is showing a zero value - why?
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Post by: Patrick on November 13, 2015, 10:04:51 am
STXIND pays 4 times a year, @GCR I'll take a look.
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Post by: Patrick on November 13, 2015, 10:41:20 am
Here's the reason GCR, Mr Price is making work for me: http://www.mrpricegroup.com/Investor-Relations/Sens-news/Change-to-the-Mr-Price-Group-ticker-code-and-ISIN.aspx
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Post by: Moonraker on November 13, 2015, 10:49:23 am
@Fawkes85

Redefine International: A stout hedge
http://www.financialmail.co.za/moneyinvesting/2015/11/12/redefine-international-a-stout-hedge

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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 13, 2015, 12:44:25 pm
Thanks. I read it. Just wish I had more cash on hand to buy now before they go up too much
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Post by: Crabby on November 13, 2015, 03:31:38 pm
Thanks Patrick - was wondering, bought in Mar and received first div in Nov seems a little strange
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Post by: Moonraker on November 13, 2015, 03:58:28 pm
@ Fawkes85 - don't expect fireworks - steady as she goes. NEPI is more 'exciting' but don't know why the jump today on huge vol.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 13, 2015, 05:33:29 pm
Well I am not expecting fireworks. Remember I am going for divs not growth. So I am hoping there won't be fireworks as I still have a few months of buying ahead of me. The fireworks can come once I finished buying.
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Post by: gcr on November 14, 2015, 02:36:16 pm
Patrick - not sure how you are handling the Taste rights issue as there was a 1:4 allocation. Some holder of these shares could conceivably overdraw their accounts as the rights price was R 3 per share >:D
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Post by: Patrick on November 15, 2015, 11:39:46 am
we normally enforce all rights issues, I'll have to find the sens and activate it.
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Post by: Patrick on November 16, 2015, 10:10:43 am
Ok for all the Astoria requests, it has been added, it'll take about 15 minutes to become active.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on November 18, 2015, 10:06:11 am
Hallo Patric, Astoria ARA is not showing up yet, Mabe it is still on the beach in Maritius Primary listing. Stronghand
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on November 18, 2015, 10:11:37 am
has it listed yet?
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Post by: Patrick on November 18, 2015, 10:12:46 am
As soon as the price appears here it'll be on the site: http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/watchlist/recent-ticker/ARA:SJ
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Post by: jaDEB on November 18, 2015, 03:21:06 pm
I wanna look at Rant/Euro vs Rant/USD comparison on a graph, any ideas what website? does not have to 1 graph, 2 will be fine
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Post by: Patrick on November 18, 2015, 03:27:26 pm
@jaDEB http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=ZAR&view=10Y and http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=ZAR&view=10Y Be warned, they're quite sary looking!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 18, 2015, 03:36:19 pm
Thank you Sir ..
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Post by: jaDEB on November 18, 2015, 06:03:07 pm
The Eur/Dollar is 1.06. If it goes to 1.00, will the ZAR/$ & ZAR/EUR be the same?
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Post by: Orca on November 18, 2015, 07:10:24 pm
The euro has clearly suffered because of Friday night’s events plus the continued talk of the European Central Bank extending their monetary policy to further boost the Eurozone economy is also undermining it. The net result of the euro weakness is that sterling is close to levels last seen 8 years ago against the euro and the US dollar is getting ever closer to parity.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 19, 2015, 11:38:35 am
There is something very wrong with Google Finance. Says certain shares are up x amount of cents even though according to their own graphs it is down from where it ended yesterday. Been doing this for a couple of days now.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 19, 2015, 11:43:13 am
I use yahoo finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/)
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Post by: yozzi on November 19, 2015, 02:03:12 pm
money invested overseas
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Post by: Moonraker on November 19, 2015, 04:08:28 pm
MTN hit with R9.3m fine in Uganda.http://www.fin24.com/Tech/News/mtn-hit-with-r93m-fine-in-uganda-20151119
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Post by: jaDEB on November 19, 2015, 04:19:57 pm
Mr Bond, some good news please, I need some... :"(
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Post by: Moonraker on November 19, 2015, 04:22:21 pm
Why ? You're sitting pretty with NPN. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 19, 2015, 04:27:28 pm
Yes, it is good to me, but some positive news will be welcomed :). Will look for some, oh wait Star Wars Battlefront is out tomorrow :)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 19, 2015, 04:32:49 pm
ffs ... South Africa's cbank raises interest rates to curb inflation risk
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Post by: jaDEB on November 20, 2015, 07:17:10 am
Mr Bond, NPN Trading statement :)
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Post by: Patrick on November 20, 2015, 08:57:51 am
So if you stand on the very big pile of money they're giving you, can you see the ocean?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 20, 2015, 09:55:30 am
LON @ 35c. Frikkie !!!
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Post by: letlhogonolo on November 20, 2015, 11:18:25 am
I wonder if Lonmin is going to go belly up if the platinum price doesn't improve in the next two years.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 23, 2015, 07:43:00 am
I is thinking of buying small %, LON. thinking..... insert hour glass turning here
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 23, 2015, 07:50:30 am
Thinking the same thing here. Do the same thing with LON as I am doing with FDP. It is so cheap that I don't have to risk a lot of money to get a lot of shares
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Post by: jaDEB on November 23, 2015, 08:52:31 am
My broker / firewall is on leave...lol, he stopped me from buying ABL :)
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Post by: Patrick on November 23, 2015, 09:15:42 am
Haha, need to add LON to your 1time collection jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 23, 2015, 09:36:53 am
Yes, lol, glad to see u read my stuff....
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Post by: Samurai on November 23, 2015, 03:47:27 pm
kumba
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Post by: Shi on November 24, 2015, 11:30:03 am
Thinking the same thing here. Do the same thing with LON as I am doing with FDP. It is so cheap that I don't have to risk a lot of money to get a lot of shares

Well, if FDP keeps on issuing shares, it won't be cheap anymore.  :(
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 24, 2015, 11:34:58 am
Won't be if you keep on buying but I am pretty much done buying FDP. Now it is just a wait and hold game.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 24, 2015, 11:35:21 am
*Will
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 24, 2015, 02:07:11 pm
What's going on with Mittal - up >30%?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 24, 2015, 02:16:20 pm
The unit of the world's largest steel maker will sell nearly 700 million new shares at 6.50 rand each, a 56 premium to ArcelorMittal South Africa's closing price on Monday
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 24, 2015, 02:18:43 pm
Tz
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Post by: noseworthy on November 25, 2015, 10:33:15 am
rhodes
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2015, 10:55:13 am
ARA - Astoria .. who's buying and if not why not ?
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 25, 2015, 11:19:00 am
I am very happy!! Got my share of Astoria
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2015, 12:27:49 pm
@marguerittereed. You bought at prelisting ? what was the price, I can't remember.,
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2015, 12:54:45 pm
Ah, it was @ 14.23
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 25, 2015, 01:13:14 pm
Not buying cause of high fees. Even higher than the DBX trackers
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 25, 2015, 01:18:32 pm
14.25 at prelisting
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 25, 2015, 01:20:17 pm
sorry should be 14.23
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 25, 2015, 02:35:08 pm
Does anyone else here use Google Finance? Also getting the tracking anomalies?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2015, 04:55:59 pm
LON up 36%
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Post by: jaDEB on November 25, 2015, 05:53:11 pm
LON up 63%
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Post by: Moonraker on November 26, 2015, 08:26:30 am
Short squeeze - will drop again back to mid twenties.
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 10:03:57 am
LON .72c. Quickest money I have ever made
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 10:07:29 am
:) - bastard LOL
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 10:10:08 am
Frikkie, LON all over the place....
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Post by: chang9015 on November 26, 2015, 10:40:32 am
so.. people are expecting it to go back to the twenties and thirties.... short some more? hahah
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 10:59:08 am
on the 23rd jaDEB wrote "I is thinking of buying small %, LON. thinking..... insert hour glass turning here" did u , did u, NOOOOOOOOooooooo
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 11:01:40 am
LON now R1.10
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 12:05:33 pm
dAMN, THERE lon BuRns MORE PEOPLE, ONly up4%...
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 12:11:59 pm
and going down down down!!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 12:12:03 pm
Once again Mr Bond is correct ...
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 01:16:11 pm
LON turned again going up up up
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 01:19:39 pm
MTN broke even this morning!!!
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Post by: marguerittereed on November 26, 2015, 01:19:56 pm
Been a long wait
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2015, 01:53:22 pm
The traders must be having a field day with lonmin.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 02:05:45 pm
PATRICK, Why can I NOT BUY more LONMIM in COMP....angry face here !!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 02:31:44 pm
Fine bought MTN....
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2015, 02:48:03 pm
Haha, you know the rules, it's now a penny share!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 26, 2015, 02:49:43 pm
YEs I know :'(
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Post by: Patrick on November 27, 2015, 08:36:11 am
Easy Equities are offering brokerage free trading today!
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 27, 2015, 10:26:54 am
cause it's BF?
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Post by: Patrick on November 27, 2015, 10:39:45 am
Yes, apparently. Pity I'm not moving my money out of my unit trust today, I could have saved a few grand...
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Post by: chang9015 on November 28, 2015, 10:02:56 am
Satrix and EE joining to creating a new platform? sounds interesting.....starts December 2nd i think.
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Post by: gcr on November 28, 2015, 01:21:34 pm
Yes, apparently. Pity I'm not moving my money out of my unit trust today, I could have saved a few grand...

Patrick - if your U/T has a year end of December annually maybe you should not move your funds out until the last 2 days of December. Watch the price and when it just about peeks then sell - you will find that most fund managers do extensive window dressing just prior to the U/T's year end. The returns on my U/T are dismal so I too will be selling off my units and investing directly into the market, where I can get a better return. I am prepared to take the knock in terms of CGT, dividends and interest   
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Post by: jaDEB on November 29, 2015, 10:13:28 am
The presidents of Africa’s two biggest economies plan to meet this week to discuss MTN’s $5.2bn fine in Nigeria, reported the Sunday Times
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Post by: Patrick on November 30, 2015, 08:25:38 am
@gcr, thanks for the advice. I'll see if I can do that! Only trouble is, I planned to send it offshore, and need to do that in this calendar year. Not sure if it will clear in time...
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Post by: jaDEB on November 30, 2015, 02:42:37 pm
CML close to R60 ?
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Post by: JohnnyH on November 30, 2015, 03:48:34 pm
@jaDEB CML is trading ex div today, I am assuming this has had an effect
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 01, 2015, 07:51:50 am
Standard Bank hit with R500 million in fines by UK and US authorities for failing to prevent bribery in Tanzania:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/standard-bank-hit-r500m-fines-bribery-charges/
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Post by: gcr on December 02, 2015, 09:05:59 am
Interesting article this morning on Moneyweb "In 10 years, 40% of the Top 40 has changed" Very interesting to see who dropped out of the Top 40 and who came in - resources seem to have taken a beating second to none
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2015, 09:09:19 am
If commodities does not recover in 2016, I will ask the mothership to fetch me and take me home.
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Post by: Bevan on December 02, 2015, 09:22:42 am
just avoid iron ore, oil and gold Jadeb. Copper and coal (depsite COP21) should have a good 2016
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 02, 2015, 09:30:36 am
@gcr:  link please
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Post by: gcr on December 02, 2015, 09:41:30 am
www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/in-ten-years-40-of-the-top-40-has-changed/#
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Post by: Nivek on December 02, 2015, 10:12:39 am
Interesting reading Graham.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 03, 2015, 10:52:13 am
Pistorius Found Guilty of Murder by South African Appeals Court
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Post by: Nivek on December 03, 2015, 12:11:33 pm
Justice after all...
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Post by: Fanus on December 03, 2015, 12:13:58 pm
Why so much JSE selling?
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Post by: Orca on December 03, 2015, 01:03:31 pm
Yellan's speach last night.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 03, 2015, 01:11:59 pm
Note: There is no SHF - changed to SNH - amend comp.
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Post by: Patrick on December 03, 2015, 02:11:03 pm
Thanks Moonraker, it's done.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 03, 2015, 05:42:09 pm
MTN fine slashed by $1.8 billion
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Post by: joeman on December 03, 2015, 08:34:37 pm
Might have been asked before and perhaps I may be missing something (in which case my bad - still a newbie!), but is there a reason why dividends don't appear to be included in the ETF's in the leaderboard? Doesn't really make for a like-for-like comparison with direct share trades if they don't include them? Or is this too much admin Patrick?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2015, 06:57:58 am
Eur/Zar 15.73 wtf !!
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Post by: Patrick on December 04, 2015, 07:28:21 am
Hi joeman, I have auto feeds for most companies, but sadly not for the ETFs. They can be entered manually and will be backdated and paid. Anyone who would like to help can do that here, all you need is the amount and LDT date: http://shareforum.co.za/shares/ldt/
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 04, 2015, 08:46:36 am
MTN fine now upped again by $500 million
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2015, 09:06:41 am
MTN lol, it is becoming a joke
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2015, 09:24:24 am
here LON starts again....
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2015, 09:38:45 am
NPN back up to 2000 :)
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Post by: Moonraker on December 04, 2015, 09:42:24 am
REGULATORY

Amsterdam 4 December 2015 – In connection with tax investigations, the
Westerstede offices of Steinhoff Europe Group Services GmbH (SEGS), a German
subsidiary of SIHL, have been searched on November 26, 2015.

The authorities are reviewing the balance sheet treatment of certain
transactions
involving transfers of participations and intangible assets among SEGS,
additional
subsidiaries and third parties pursuant to §331 HGB. The investigation focuses
on
adherence to an arms’ length valuation and proper accounting pursuant to German
GAAP.
SEGS is fully committed to support the authorities, and has begun to take
immediate
steps, in clarifying and resolving these matters.

Steinhoff International Holdings N.V and its management are of the view that on
a
global consolidated basis the above matters have been properly reflected in its
Group accounts according to IFRS.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2015, 02:09:57 pm
Hey...hey, get u @ss back up there above R2000...NOW !!!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 04, 2015, 04:35:39 pm
Did anyone else receive their RPL dividends yet?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 04, 2015, 04:45:02 pm
Should reflect on your banking a/c tomorrow - were paid today.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 04, 2015, 07:42:16 pm
19:30 - S&P holds South Africa's credit rating; downgrades outlook to negative
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Post by: Moonraker on December 05, 2015, 07:18:30 am
Fitch cut South Africa’s sovereign credit rating by one notch to BBB- It assigned a stable outlook to the rating.
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Post by: Patrick on December 07, 2015, 02:07:12 pm
Seems like a rebound today from fridays ratings disaster.
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Post by: marguerittereed on December 07, 2015, 03:14:08 pm
Nice to see shares in the green again instead of the red!!!!!
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Post by: Fanus on December 07, 2015, 04:02:41 pm
What do guys predict will happen if that FED interest rate finally arrives?
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Post by: Samurai on December 07, 2015, 04:49:48 pm
Naspers looking good again :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 08, 2015, 01:54:45 pm
Where is everybody, holiday or buying LON shares?
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Post by: gcr on December 08, 2015, 01:59:05 pm
Trying to convince Juju to buy up Lonmin stock so that he can own part of the mining infrastructure that he so desperately wants, but, he is saying he wants it for free  :LHST:
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 08, 2015, 02:19:41 pm
Yeah. Gotten pretty quiet in here. Guess just us schmucks who still have to work who are left in here
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Post by: jaDEB on December 08, 2015, 04:45:32 pm
OCE is trying so hard to climb... :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on December 08, 2015, 04:46:01 pm
Mondi - why down 6½ % and over 7% on LSE. ?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2015, 07:48:55 am
@ Mr Bond, cannot see why
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Post by: Moonraker on December 09, 2015, 08:22:03 am
Apparently there was a double downgrade from overweight to underweight, purely on valuation concerns. Still a great share and a Runt hedge.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2015, 01:40:37 pm
Zzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Orca on December 09, 2015, 02:04:53 pm
I have nothing to say but its getting cold here now. Siberian snow geese migrated a month early signalling an early cold winter. The longest in 50 years.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2015, 02:26:17 pm
Here we have frikkin heat wave 37 deg..
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Post by: Fanus on December 09, 2015, 02:51:30 pm
What happens when El nino comes every year? Can it then be classified as global warming?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 09, 2015, 03:12:33 pm
No idea...
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Post by: Orca on December 09, 2015, 03:56:58 pm
Yes. That is what you call a deer that is blind.
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Post by: gcr on December 09, 2015, 09:52:31 pm
So a Red one (van Rooyen) replaces a a No No one (Nene)
At least van Rooyen has a bunch or certificates and no qualifications so should do a sterling job - after all he is as qualified as that idiot at SABC
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Post by: jaDEB on December 10, 2015, 07:01:13 am
FFS...
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 10, 2015, 07:06:02 am
So I am going to go ahead and predict that today is not going to be a good one for the JSE
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Post by: Patrick on December 10, 2015, 07:37:04 am
I'll second that Fawkes, our president is a dick.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 10, 2015, 09:04:23 am
Well it is with his dick that he makes all of his decisions.
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Post by: Fanus on December 10, 2015, 09:15:57 am
At least our current account was hit with more imports....before this smart move by Zuma
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Post by: gcr on December 10, 2015, 09:47:35 am
We really need to embrace zuma's decision after all it is Christmas soon and that in itself conjures up some interesting images in my mind
zuma is like the fairy on the top of the tree - al shiny and bright standing atop a dying tree, filled with all sorts of baubles (his cabinet) and fairy lights which flash relentless for the fairy atop the tree.
Thank goodness the tree is taken down at some stage after the Christmas celebration - now its a case of the "Anc must fall" after all they have failed dismally
zuma and his merry hatchet men are real live wrecking balls - and in the other corner you have juju with his conker - hoping that he can grow a pair like the despicable president of SA
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 10, 2015, 10:23:48 am
Quite the choice we have. Zuma or Juju. It's like having to choose between cancer and AIDS
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Post by: tmsf12 on December 10, 2015, 03:44:09 pm
Wow, nice sell off, just in time to fill your xmas stockings :)
Very interesting, SABMiller and Capital&Counties making new highs.
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Post by: Orca on December 10, 2015, 03:54:36 pm
Tech sector hit big time today. My poor ADI. Thanks Zuma.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 10, 2015, 04:49:39 pm
Ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by: Patrick on December 10, 2015, 04:53:34 pm
DIVTRX took a pounding too... The indi is up though somehow...
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Post by: Orca on December 10, 2015, 06:08:54 pm
The IND ALSI was up 0,71% today.
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 08:21:24 am
I believe SABMiller is saving the Indi
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2015, 08:38:12 am
Is Naspers in the Indi?
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 10:25:30 am
That's a spectacular drop in PtxTen and DivTrx.  Institutional investors pulling out due to credit ratings? Dividend yields expected to fall severly? General exit of market before a crash?  Who has the crystal ball?
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Post by: Patrick on December 11, 2015, 10:30:46 am
@jaDEB, the indi is 22% SAB, 20% Naspers.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2015, 10:35:14 am
Thanks P.
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 11:12:34 am
You guys are not big on speculation? As investors this place should team with discussions of loading up now or getting caught holding a poisoned chalice.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2015, 11:21:21 am
Tell that to my 1Time and African bank shares...
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2015, 11:31:07 am
CML @ R49.....wth !!!
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Post by: czc on December 11, 2015, 11:32:43 am
@Fanus waiting for stuff to drop more.
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 11:34:35 am
I think it's the -Nene effect.  And van Rooyen says he want's to "open up" the treasury so that it's more accessible??? Another R1 down on all the indexes please :)
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 11:36:41 am
@czc Yes indeed and you can rest assured...it's still dropping like hot cakes
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Post by: gcr on December 11, 2015, 11:37:04 am
Patrick - I was wrong about the window dressing by the U/T fund managers - not much that can stand in the way of a bazuma bazooka.
 I will have to re assess when I sell my U/T's but it looks like 1st or 2nd quarter next year
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 11:49:36 am
I think this is the best lesson on why you need diversify your portfolio across the globe.  Time to visit the Gold broker.
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Post by: gcr on December 11, 2015, 11:55:23 am
I think this is the best lesson on why you need diversify your portfolio across the globe.  Time to visit the Gold broker.
Well even with a diversified portfolio (22 counters) I have taken a massive hit - only 2 bright lights (for me) at the moment and that is DBXWD and Santova. Compared to last month my portfolio is down almost half a bar
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 12:02:47 pm
If you look at my portfolio on here then I'm glad it's not my actual money.  Who knows how long it will take to recover from such a Zuma correction
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 12:07:50 pm
What is scary is that it's across almost every type of share.  Mass exodus. If I had a crystal ball about who the sellers are then it would provide great insight about who Zuma pissed off so much (excluding us)
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Post by: chang9015 on December 11, 2015, 12:13:45 pm
just sold off half my portfolio that are SA inc.. hope i'm wrong about this for SA's sake
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Post by: gcr on December 11, 2015, 12:16:57 pm
What is scary is that it's across almost every type of share.  Mass exodus. If I had a crystal ball about who the sellers are then it would provide great insight about who Zuma pissed off so much (excluding us)
Whats even more scary I bought up a parcel of about 3000 ARI at round about R 55 all in and have been selling off at the R 41 mark as I don't believe the share is going to go anywhere soon. What must be very debilitating for Patrice Mosepe is that he has seen his wealth fall dramatically - share price has had a high of R 132.54 and now stands at R 39.90 - but I suppose easy come easy go
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 12:23:51 pm
@chang9015 Don't sell. The waterfront still exists. The banks still run. Sanral is still not collecting tolls. I would venture 90% of SA citizends don't even know what happened (stock wise). They will still rent, buy, spend and eat the same they did yesterday and the day before.  Just a year or two and the divvies will start roling in again
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Post by: czc on December 11, 2015, 12:30:40 pm
I learnt my lesson buying on the way down with Aspen, will wait it out this time.
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Post by: chang9015 on December 11, 2015, 12:37:57 pm
@Fanus I suppose your right, but macro economics work differently, unless your holdings made you +25% this year, you're actually going backwards in dollar terms, our bond yields increased by 25% since Nene got removed. you're right in saying people will still rent, buy and spend, but it'll cost everyone that much more, expect SARB to increase interest rates by 50-100bps come january if this debacle isn't controlled.
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Post by: chang9015 on December 11, 2015, 12:38:53 pm
and, if we do go to junk status.... SA inc are not the holdings you want to be in....
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 12:48:12 pm
Yeah, I know our costs are spiralling upwards... but cheer up. Gold is accepted in most countries :) Just don't head for Europe. They seem a bit full these days
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Post by: Fanus on December 11, 2015, 12:55:27 pm
SAB is really busting a move right now
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Post by: chang9015 on December 11, 2015, 12:57:03 pm
people who were shorting gold must've had a good laugh hahah
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Post by: marguerittereed on December 11, 2015, 01:23:54 pm
The fall in stocks.. reminds me of the last week of the Sanlamitrade competition..
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Post by: Patrick on December 11, 2015, 04:28:17 pm
I wonder if any of JZ's family or friends have made an absolute fortune shorting shares in the last week... The Gupta's are smart enough to, and were most likely consulted before hand...
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Post by: gcr on December 14, 2015, 12:11:15 am
So Pravin is back as Finance minister - lets see whether he heads off the dudu
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Post by: Orca on December 14, 2015, 12:15:45 am
I knew something had to happen this week end and it did. Zuma had no other option.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 14, 2015, 07:16:14 am
Zuma blinked. That is a good sign. He has finally realised he is not untouchable.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 14, 2015, 07:28:29 am
I have no idea what the JSE going to do at open...
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 14, 2015, 07:35:43 am
Well the Rand went up by 6% after the announcement so that is a good sign.
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Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2015, 07:41:30 am
Did anyone have the balls to go long on banking stocks last week?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 14, 2015, 08:43:02 am
Nope...hope my AVL/NPN/OCE recover today
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Post by: chang9015 on December 14, 2015, 09:08:54 am
banking stocks this morning.. hahah dont think anyone had the balls to long them last week
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Post by: chang9015 on December 14, 2015, 09:15:55 am
so glad i doubled my position in DSY despite selling everything pure SA inc last week.. interesting to see how things play out this week with rates take off
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Post by: Fanus on December 14, 2015, 12:05:42 pm
I would still like to know who were selling on Thursday and Friday because today it's all buy buy buy again
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Post by: jaDEB on December 14, 2015, 02:38:45 pm
At least my AVL is recovering...for now...til he speaks again :'(
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Post by: czc on December 14, 2015, 05:49:15 pm
I wanted to buy but what will the Fed decision do on Wednesday?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 15, 2015, 07:30:21 am
eco predict 0.25 or 0.12 rise. anything else will be a suprise.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 15, 2015, 08:03:46 am
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mny_sens/anheuser-busch-inbev-sanv-anheuser-busch-inbev-intention-to-list-on-the-johannesburg-stock-exchange/
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 16, 2015, 08:05:48 am
So I assume it is going to be another rough day on the JSE now that Moody's has cut SA's outlook to negative as well?
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Post by: Nivek on December 16, 2015, 08:43:04 am
This December is turning out to be a nightmare one financially. Merry Christmas showerhead.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 16, 2015, 08:43:22 am
Ah. Forgot it is a public holiday back home.
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Post by: czc on December 16, 2015, 09:31:07 am
Yeah, tough day gets postponed to tomorrow.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 16, 2015, 09:50:38 am
Fawkes where are u currently?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 16, 2015, 12:14:29 pm
READ . . . http://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/where-to-now
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 16, 2015, 01:02:46 pm
Am in the Far East. Sorry for not giving more detail but I try to not give away too much personal details online.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 16, 2015, 02:18:45 pm
Must read . . . http://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/why-capitalism-is-the-enemy-of-racism-and-class
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Post by: jaDEB on December 17, 2015, 06:54:45 am
Far East? Brakpan?..lol No Problem
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Post by: jaDEB on December 17, 2015, 07:00:29 am
@ Fawkes Look after my Tencents...
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Post by: Patrick on December 17, 2015, 07:32:15 am
So fed rates up .25%, was this priced in, or will we be hammered for the downgrade and the fed rates today?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 17, 2015, 07:39:52 am
No I think it was priced in.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 17, 2015, 07:57:11 am
Brakpan? I think Brakpan is more Middle East than Far East
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Post by: jaDEB on December 17, 2015, 08:13:47 am
No we like Brakpan as far away as possible, it is far east..
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 17, 2015, 10:07:45 am
I think the rest of SA feels the same...heheh.JK
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Post by: czc on December 17, 2015, 11:57:42 am
Everything seems to be up today.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 17, 2015, 12:26:39 pm
:)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 17, 2015, 02:11:48 pm
Today is the best day I have had on the market...so far
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 17, 2015, 04:04:23 pm
TEX still has a long way to go though...
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 17, 2015, 05:29:30 pm
Yip. And wish I had the cash to buy a boatload of it right now!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 18, 2015, 07:41:00 am
So a second agency downgrades SA's outlook to negative and the market responds with glee?
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Post by: Patrick on December 18, 2015, 07:47:23 am
And the fed raises rates, expecting emerging markets to tank, but instead they go up. This is why I don't try and time the markets!
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Post by: jaDEB on December 18, 2015, 07:55:22 am
how was NPN's climb :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 18, 2015, 08:13:33 am
Where is MoneyPenny ? :'(
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Post by: letlhogonolo on December 18, 2015, 10:17:11 am
I'm back to gambling on Lonmin
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Post by: jaDEB on December 18, 2015, 10:31:15 am
Nice, good luck, Patrick it is 100 to 1 LON
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Post by: Patrick on December 18, 2015, 02:13:20 pm
LON adjusted. It'll look weird to those who still hold, but the overall chart should work out.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 18, 2015, 02:24:25 pm
Nene firing aftershock – Barclays UK wants to sell R73bn SA subsidiary Absa http://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2015/12/16/nene-firing-aftershock-barclays-uk-wants-to-sell-r73bn-sa-subsidiary-absa/  
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 18, 2015, 02:42:58 pm
Can anyone explain what happened to LON? As if you are explaining it to a 2 year old
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Post by: jaDEB on December 18, 2015, 05:27:23 pm
u had 2000 shares at 20c, R400. o now have 200 shares at R2, R400. For every 100 shares u had, u have 1 now.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 18, 2015, 06:43:54 pm
Ah. Thought as much. Thanx
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Post by: Hstig on December 21, 2015, 08:46:23 am
small correction jaDEB, you will have 20 shares @ R20 each, my boss bought at 76c and now has to realise a price of R76 per share to break even
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Post by: jaDEB on December 22, 2015, 08:02:51 am
Tx Hstig
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Post by: Fanus on December 23, 2015, 03:06:03 pm
I totally aced this investment challenge
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 23, 2015, 03:46:15 pm
I was better at it than I was with my real portfolio. 5.63% in 4 months. Not too bad
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Post by: Orca on December 23, 2015, 05:35:13 pm
My MTA is up 14% in 2 days. At last.
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Post by: gcr on December 24, 2015, 09:10:27 am
But then this morning it drops 10.1% - what's going on with this share
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Post by: Patrick on December 24, 2015, 09:32:10 am
Last day for the challenge today...
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 24, 2015, 09:55:59 am
i thought this year I would win the harder of the two leader boards. I'll go for the other one next year. :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 24, 2015, 10:13:40 am
Can anyone answer me this: With REITs dividends are taxed as income and not as dividends. But what if you received scrip? Does scrip get taxed?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 24, 2015, 01:05:55 pm
No. Only CGT on disposal. Scrip shares have zero base cost, which will bring down your weighted ave. cost per share.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 24, 2015, 02:52:50 pm
That it sure does. By quite a bit. Brought my average weighted price on RPL down by almost 30c
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Post by: gcr on December 28, 2015, 09:22:15 am
Patrick - are you running this competition next year again?
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Post by: Lamak on December 28, 2015, 10:45:03 am
Hi Patrick. How can I get a copy of that sheet with all the divis that paid and the date please?
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Post by: Patrick on December 28, 2015, 09:05:28 pm
Yes, we're running again next year, Lamak, the page was wiped clean for 2015, but I still have the days, I'll see if I can have it on a page for you.
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Post by: santoshlv426 on December 30, 2015, 08:51:18 am
Patrick, I read about a spreadsheet of yours. Can I please have a copy. ta
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Post by: Patrick on December 30, 2015, 03:24:58 pm
I'm busy putting together a quick page to show the data, I should have it online this evening.
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Post by: santoshlv426 on December 31, 2015, 10:25:36 am
Where woud I find it
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Post by: Patrick on January 01, 2016, 11:47:34 am
Here you guys go, all dividends for all years: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_dividends_all.php?year=2015
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Post by: Lamak on January 01, 2016, 01:24:20 pm
Thanx so much Patric. I will start the analysis some time and i will share my finding. Here is to 2016
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Post by: czc on January 02, 2016, 10:13:33 am
Happy New Year to everyone. What kind of analysis are you doing Lamak?
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Post by: Lamak on January 02, 2016, 08:12:41 pm
There is the usual stuff like best %. Also overlay the data with some other facts from some of the investment houses and what ppl say. My aim is to create monthly long term portfolio. So I would like to get dividents every month so I can retire...but the stocks must also appreciate. But, before I get an earful from the boss I better be on holiday now lol. Will post back. Cheers. All the best of 2016
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Post by: jaDEB on January 03, 2016, 07:23:28 pm
Where the hell is MoneyPenny !!
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2016, 07:30:03 am
Hello everyone, back to work for me, and today is the first trading day of the year, so the competition starts today!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 04, 2016, 08:30:39 am
China shares trade halted after 7% plunge. Quite the start to 2016
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Post by: santoshlv426 on January 04, 2016, 08:51:05 am
I'm browsing through the investor challenge results etc. Is this real money and shares that you guys own ??
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Post by: gcr on January 04, 2016, 09:12:02 am
10 minutes into the JSE trading day and I am getting no price changes on Thursday last weeks closing prices - are any of you forumites getting prices? 
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Post by: jaDEB on January 04, 2016, 09:15:43 am
My sharenet app also not working...grrrr
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Post by: czc on January 04, 2016, 09:20:30 am
Looks like a red opening on all the shares I have in my watchlist.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 04, 2016, 12:36:28 pm
After my shockingly poor performance last year, I'll play it safe this year.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 04, 2016, 12:36:29 pm
After my shockingly poor performance last year, I'll play it safe this year.
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Post by: Moonraker on January 04, 2016, 12:47:16 pm
I can see that. Double post is definitely playing it safe.  :)
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Post by: krycor on January 05, 2016, 11:45:35 am
Hoping this year I do better.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 06, 2016, 09:02:03 am
So what's new? :)  I'm still enjoying last few days doing nothing.
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Post by: czc on January 06, 2016, 10:05:01 am
Going to be a tough year. For first time, South African assets abroad outstrip inflows http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/economy/for-first-time-south-african-assets-abroad-outstrip-inflows/
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Post by: mar_vinus on January 06, 2016, 06:48:40 pm
1st time ever on the top, I'm sure it wont last :-(
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Post by: Orca on January 06, 2016, 09:08:18 pm
ADI hit by the falling Nkandla currency.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 07, 2016, 07:18:20 am
China suspends trading again as shares fall 7%...again
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Post by: Moonraker on January 07, 2016, 08:13:36 am
Going to be a Bad-ass day and year.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2016, 08:36:31 am
Yes it is.... :'(
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Post by: Hstig on January 07, 2016, 08:45:31 am
watch the goldminers today
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 07, 2016, 08:53:07 am
Wouldn't be sad if I were you. Bad ass year means bargain basement prices for buying ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2016, 12:24:46 pm
Time for some ABBA !!!! :'(
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Post by: Fanus on January 07, 2016, 12:44:27 pm
But why the gold miners? It's not like mining suddenly became attractive in SA. The same acid heap of problems is still present
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2016, 12:55:08 pm
They sell in Dollars / Rands
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2016, 05:32:03 pm
I pressed the help button, but it does not work....ppffftttt
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Post by: Orca on January 07, 2016, 11:14:08 pm
China suspends circuit breaker. D-day Friday or another 2008?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 08, 2016, 05:42:11 am
Are they mad?

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/mtn-acquires-rival-nigerian-operator/
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Post by: jaDEB on January 08, 2016, 07:14:31 am
Chinese stocks gained in volatile trading after the government suspended a controversial circuit breaker system and the central bank moved to stabilize the yuan with its reference rate
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 08, 2016, 11:21:16 am
So the chinese government suspends trading when their market drops but they don't do the same when it's going up. It seems like market manipulation is the norm.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 08, 2016, 12:47:59 pm
Falling of a cliff you need some help for a soft landing, Falling up a cliff ? need I say more .. :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 08, 2016, 12:56:35 pm
That's communism for you. Complete and utter cluelesness when it comes to economics. They think they can control the stock market the same way they control every other facet of Chinese society
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Post by: jaDEB on January 08, 2016, 01:25:04 pm
It was not invented by China "On the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE), one type of trading curb is referred to as a "circuit breaker." These limits were put in place after Black Monday in order to reduce market volatility and massive panic sell-offs, giving traders time to reconsider their transactions"
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 08, 2016, 01:32:55 pm
Not talking about circuit breakers. Circuit breakers make perfect sense. Talking about how China constantly tries to control and manipulate their stock market and economy in general.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 08, 2016, 01:57:12 pm
@ Fawkes appologies for misunderstanding.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 08, 2016, 02:33:49 pm
I think Frikkie is in China...:'(
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Post by: Moonraker on January 08, 2016, 03:47:32 pm
US Payrolls ..
The 292,000 gain exceeded the highest forecast in a Bloomberg survey and followed a 252,000 increase in November that was stronger than previously estimated, a Labor Department report showed Friday. The median forecast in a Bloomberg survey called for a 200,000 advance. The jobless rate held at 5 percent, and wage growth rose less than forecast from a year earlier.
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Post by: Hstig on January 11, 2016, 08:00:18 am
Gold miners again today. R/KG is at R593000
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Post by: Patrick on January 11, 2016, 08:12:53 am
walking up to R16.80 to the dollar doesn't make for a good morning...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 11, 2016, 09:56:55 am
David Bowie, the Legendary Musician, Has Died at 69
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Post by: jaDEB on January 11, 2016, 12:46:17 pm
JSE recovering ?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 11, 2016, 02:04:51 pm
Yes, jaDEB looks like it..
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Post by: jaDEB on January 12, 2016, 09:41:50 am
So u happy u bought LON?..frikkin idiot
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on January 12, 2016, 10:22:44 am
Think that's called a swing and a miss J. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 12, 2016, 10:24:19 am
Yes, should have used a bigger bat :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 14, 2016, 08:28:47 am
I only recognize 1 in every 32 faces at gym these days, and yes, I have counted.  ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2016, 08:41:47 am
new year resolution, they will be gone by mid feb :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 14, 2016, 09:47:22 am
Yes, so crazy, and none of them know they're supposed to put the weights back when they're done!
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2016, 10:25:25 am
I do my GYM stuff online :) Battlefield maps are huge...
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Post by: Moonraker on January 14, 2016, 10:45:12 am
I regard GYM stuff as a spectator sport.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2016, 10:58:45 am
lol
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Post by: Fanus on January 14, 2016, 11:59:41 am
Geeze, Lonmin is killing anything that comes near it
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2016, 12:03:50 pm
yes, :'(, I thought R15 is the bottom..... luckily only took small portion
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on January 14, 2016, 12:06:15 pm
My home gym makes a fantastic drying rack
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 14, 2016, 12:28:00 pm
So most of you are chubby then, lol - got it.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 14, 2016, 12:37:09 pm
Real men have curves
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Post by: Samurai on January 14, 2016, 01:41:11 pm
Gym rat here, sadly my portfolio is as lean as my sixpack
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Post by: Samurai on January 15, 2016, 11:50:31 am
AB Inbev listed today :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2016, 12:39:12 pm
ANB added to the contest, hopefully they do better than ANC :P
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 15, 2016, 01:58:43 pm
stock market not for the faint-hearted.. week 3 of slump
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2016, 02:11:13 pm
Very true. The world index is at levels last seen in September 2013. If you're still working and buying, that's not a bad thing. It'll come back someday, but who knows when that will be... I'm still buying every month as per my usual plan.
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Post by: Moonraker on January 15, 2016, 02:26:52 pm
Realignment of stock valuations worldwide - was bound to occur, with China being the trigger. Deflationary fears.
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Post by: Moonraker on January 15, 2016, 05:51:36 pm
Amid a selloff that erased more than two years of gains -- about $14 trillion
-- from global stocks now on the brink of a bear market, at least earnings stood
as a potential bright spot. Those hopes are fading: analyst profit downgrades
outnumbered upgrades by the most since 2009 last week, according to monthly
data from a Citigroup Inc. index that tracks such changes.

“The momentum in the global economy is slowing down to such an extent that
people are seriously talking about recession,” said Zimmermann, a strategist at
Bankhaus Lampe in Dusseldorf. “This is not just China, it’s far more widespread.
There are few places to hide. Even defensives will feel the pain.”
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 18, 2016, 08:29:48 am
Asian shares slid to their lowest levels since late 2011 on Monday
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 18, 2016, 08:30:02 am
Guess it is gonna be another rough week
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2016, 08:47:48 am
YEs I know :'(
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 18, 2016, 01:45:23 pm
Ah Lonmin, The falling knife.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2016, 02:04:27 pm
It is sad :'(
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Post by: Diabolix on January 18, 2016, 04:08:23 pm
Glad I pulled out :P
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2016, 04:52:54 pm
U.S. Markets closed for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day .
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2016, 09:26:15 am
Who is going to call the bottom on the commodity cycle?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2016, 10:44:54 am
NPN :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 19, 2016, 12:18:05 pm
From what I have been reading we may have reached the bottom of the commodity cycle but we are going to stay down here for a long, long time. Sorry
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Post by: Moonraker on January 19, 2016, 12:34:00 pm
The International Monetary Fund cut its economic growth forecast for South Africa by almost half to less than 1 percent as commodity prices slump and global demand remains weak.
Gross domestic product in Africa’s most industrialized nation will probably expand 0.7 percent this year, compared with October’s estimate of 1.3 percent, the Washington-based lender said in an update to its World Economic Outlook report on Tuesday. The IMF cut its projection for 2017 by 0.3 percentage points to 1.8 percent.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2016, 07:00:20 am
WHat the FriKkie, is China the only country in the world.... xface here
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 20, 2016, 09:03:21 am
...no, only the largest economy in Asia, but who's counting.
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Post by: rjthomas on January 20, 2016, 09:08:30 am
Why can't I find MICROmega holdings MMG on the Investor Challenge?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 20, 2016, 09:17:56 am
If it isn't traded more than 16 times a day it isn't allowed in the Investor Challenge. So that might be a reason.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 20, 2016, 09:19:21 am
@rjt:  Low trading, only 3 deals so far today, should it reach minimum deals allowed, you can just ask Patrick to add.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 20, 2016, 10:08:49 am
T40 down -940 pips @ 41881
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Post by: Pluto on January 20, 2016, 10:43:37 am
lonmin
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Post by: Pluto on January 20, 2016, 10:44:05 am
sorry ... thought it was the search box :)
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Post by: PsYcHZ on January 20, 2016, 11:00:01 am
how is lonmin doing? have they had any increases in share prices over this month?
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Post by: rjthomas on January 20, 2016, 11:01:45 am
@Moneypenny what platform or website do you use to see live trades? I want to subscribe to a platform to track my portfolio not available.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 20, 2016, 11:14:13 am
For investing I have an acc with PSG Online, for CFD trading, account with IG Markets, both live prices.
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Post by: dieWerner on January 20, 2016, 11:23:35 am
ISB
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2016, 11:53:18 am
@PsYcHZ, take a look at what the holders at the bottom of the leaderboard have bought...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2016, 12:19:32 pm
lol, I have a plan, ok, ok...
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Post by: czc on January 20, 2016, 12:22:01 pm
rand cost averaging
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2016, 12:35:44 pm
World index down 2.71% today, I must have missed some news... It's pretty much at January 2013 levels.
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Post by: Fanus on January 20, 2016, 02:06:19 pm
@jaDEB for your sake I hope it's to balance out losses on a tax return...but wait this is virtual money :0
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2016, 02:28:42 pm
Yes, virtual training :). Maybe the best time to learn is now.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2016, 02:36:43 pm
phocket !!!
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Post by: pratlou on January 20, 2016, 02:56:02 pm
MyBB members where are you ??
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Post by: Fanus on January 20, 2016, 03:23:32 pm
No more catching falling knives... I think it's time to hang on to my money
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Post by: czc on January 20, 2016, 03:37:02 pm
mybb members being sad about loosing so much fake money xD
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Post by: Sting on January 20, 2016, 08:59:17 pm
But for my Naspers shares I would have had a good start.
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Post by: gcr on January 21, 2016, 09:22:21 am
Interesting article on Moneyweb by Patrick Cairns "What's up with the Divi?"
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2016, 09:26:45 am
Patrick, I am 202 in the Investor challenge, how many people are taking part?
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2016, 10:32:16 am
I think someone else has recently joined jaDEB, now you're 203...
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Post by: Sting on January 21, 2016, 10:34:22 am
LOL
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2016, 10:38:54 am
I will go sit in the corner and cry, thanks Patrick and your competition for building my confidence.. :'(
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Post by: Sting on January 21, 2016, 10:39:01 am
@Patrick - n00b question - How often is the "net worth" updated?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2016, 10:40:26 am
Changed my music from ABBA to Ozzy Osborn, maybe that helps.. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2016, 11:29:34 am
thanks qriffin
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2016, 12:23:29 pm
All SA passport holders earning under R800K to be deported from the UK come April.
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2016, 01:37:49 pm
@sting, it's live, but share values are 15 minute delayed
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Post by: gcr on January 21, 2016, 01:55:17 pm
All SA passport holders earning under R800K to be deported from the UK come April.
Is this just a UK/SA thing or are they doing for other nationals (dual) as well?
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2016, 02:42:07 pm
Read on SA travel website but applicable to all non EU pp holders.
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 am
 Mr Market is being "nice" today!! Shares all in the green!! At long last!!
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Post by: Fanus on January 22, 2016, 11:17:12 am
Let me try my hand at predictions: Monday will be a killer with major sell offs actross the board. JSE drops by 5%
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 22, 2016, 12:44:02 pm
Sounds like January2016
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Post by: Moonraker on January 22, 2016, 01:13:47 pm
@Fanus
If oil remains above 30$ plus the Draghi comments re. stimulus, I don't see a sell-off in Europe and US, and our market is very much correlated to what happens there. So, let's hope you are wrong about Monday. But, who knows ?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2016, 01:55:53 pm
@Fanus, looks like it is time for my tablets again... :'(
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Post by: Fanus on January 22, 2016, 02:47:22 pm
We have Zuma over ther making sure that everything goes smoothly. JaDEB you have nothing to worry about.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2016, 03:03:25 pm
Nooo, now I have to double my dosage ...
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 22, 2016, 04:39:31 pm
lonmin waking up!!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 25, 2016, 05:46:06 am
Can someone tell me how Texton keeps buying properties, offshore, yet their share price keeps going down?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 25, 2016, 07:00:08 am
Patrick, where is you write up when u made wooden rings ? cannot find it, I is Noob.
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Post by: Patrick on January 25, 2016, 08:04:30 am
@jaDEB, couldn't find it, so I re-wrote it, then I found it: http://shareforum.co.za/off-topic/wood-you-like-to-make-a-wedding-ring/
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Post by: jaDEB on January 25, 2016, 08:07:14 am
Thank you Sir ..
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Post by: jaDEB on January 25, 2016, 08:08:45 am
:'( I did not boil the crap out of it ......
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Post by: Fanus on January 25, 2016, 10:35:51 am
@jaDEB My crystal ball is broken. It's the monday of smooth sailing
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Post by: jaDEB on January 25, 2016, 11:17:49 am
Yip, good news. but the day is not fin yet.
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Post by: Orca on January 26, 2016, 02:53:21 pm
The ZAR seems to have pegged itself  to the market performance now.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2016, 09:20:26 am
What is up with LON?
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 27, 2016, 09:40:42 am
Platinum price has improved, so reflects on platinum mines
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2016, 09:52:26 am
No Plat Oct 2015 1013, Dec 2015 839, now 874
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2016, 11:01:19 am
UUgggg I feel dirty, posted on the darkside :'(
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Post by: TheKwok on January 27, 2016, 11:43:46 am
MTN looking waaaay too cheap on a PE of just 8.5
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Post by: Patrick on January 27, 2016, 12:08:19 pm
They're pricing in the loss of revenue to WhatsApp ;)
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Post by: Patrick on January 27, 2016, 12:12:17 pm
@jaDEB, couldn't find you on the rankings, I went all the way to the bottom but didn't see you...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2016, 12:29:55 pm
That is cause I is not bottom anymore, but 208th.... I will buy more now but u only giving me my next 100K monday
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2016, 10:14:10 am
Where is the LON "Shout" ?
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 28, 2016, 10:30:39 am
I panick sold lonmin
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Post by: jaDEB on January 28, 2016, 10:42:57 am
at loss or profit?
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 28, 2016, 10:45:41 am
yes, it's see-sawing it was up 7 percent and then down 5 percent, now I see it's up again.
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Post by: marguerittereed on January 28, 2016, 10:48:50 am
Lonmin released good trading statement today!!
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2016, 11:53:54 am
ADI released good trading statement today
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Post by: Samurai on January 28, 2016, 01:28:09 pm
Kumba?
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2016, 04:22:22 pm
CML surging up with the repo rate.
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Post by: Patrick on January 28, 2016, 04:39:18 pm
Rates increased by 50bps
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Post by: JohnnyH on January 28, 2016, 05:50:47 pm
Orca, why would CML be affected by the report rate?
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Post by: Orca on January 28, 2016, 06:03:25 pm
SA interest rates are higher sending foreign investors back in and this will increase CML earnings.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on January 29, 2016, 02:20:41 pm
Japan adopts negative interest rates

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35436187
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 01, 2016, 08:57:33 am
Telkom ADSL uncapped package my @zz
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Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2016, 12:04:33 pm
I will have  Spice Girl song on my Apple till NPN hits R2000 again, help me please
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Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2016, 12:07:41 pm
wiff some Phantom of the opera to soften the blow :'(
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 01, 2016, 02:01:10 pm
Telkom ADSL...It's the one thing I will truly miss if I were to leave Asia for SA. Proper, fast, uncapped internet.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 01, 2016, 04:03:02 pm
I would like to see SRE in competition. Maybe worth a punt.
Volumes are good and will move from ALTX to main board ± July.
How about it Patrick ?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2016, 04:36:32 pm
Whats up with MTN down 9% again?
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 09:17:50 am
Hi moon. Any idea how often SRE trades per day? The minimum limit is 16 trades per day.
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Post by: Fanus on February 02, 2016, 09:24:27 am
@jaDeb... don't look behind you
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Post by: Moonraker on February 02, 2016, 10:15:44 am
Hi moon. Any idea how often SRE trades per day? The minimum limit is 16 trades per day.

Volumes are pretty high - with average of ± 300,000 per day. On the strength of that I would assume
that you could include them ?
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2016, 10:35:02 am
Ok, it's there
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Post by: Moonraker on February 02, 2016, 11:11:47 am
Thanks Patrick.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2016, 02:26:49 pm
Insert Crying face here !!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 02, 2016, 02:50:37 pm
jaDEB when did you buy MTN?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2016, 04:27:52 pm
No I bought BIL
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2016, 06:52:14 am
agg, ffs Frikkie stopit...
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Post by: Patrick on February 03, 2016, 01:42:33 pm
Is Frikkie after the Rand too now?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2016, 02:07:48 pm
The only thing that is safe from Frikkie's onslaught is his pet pitbull terrier "Bob"
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2016, 03:43:48 pm
ACL :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2016, 04:09:50 pm
imagine u were short ACL/KIO today...ffs I am talking to myself again
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Post by: Nivek on February 03, 2016, 04:29:05 pm
You might be, but I'm watching you do it.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2016, 04:39:12 pm
lol, I feel better now, I think
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 07:06:39 am
Rant is all over the place...... now back to R15.96
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2016, 07:17:17 am
would love to know why
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Post by: Patrick on February 04, 2016, 08:40:50 am
Apparently the dollar dropped by the most in 7 years yesterday on bad economic news. Also pushed oil up to 8% to $35 a barrel.
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Post by: Q on February 04, 2016, 09:48:19 am
We Have A New Leader
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 09:50:16 am
Nice Q, I is still last, but I is creeping u from behind
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 10:40:51 am
I is 3rd in the darkside comp :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 10:50:39 am
nOW 1ST ... HEHHEHHEhehe
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Post by: jonker2000 on February 04, 2016, 11:09:42 am
snv
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Post by: jonker2000 on February 04, 2016, 11:09:43 am
snv
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Post by: Moonraker on February 04, 2016, 05:12:02 pm
nOW 1ST ... HEHHEHHEhehe

jaDEB, I see you are quoting from SONA, was it leaked ? HehhehHEEH.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 05:15:59 pm
Yes, every time the sh#t hits the fan, I think of him laughing, I think he laughs at us..
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 06:05:30 pm
SONA, State Of the Nation Address
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Post by: jaDEB on February 04, 2016, 06:07:57 pm
What SGL at R40!!! was at R19 in Dec 2015...
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Post by: Kr1mZoN on February 05, 2016, 08:57:00 am
nedbank
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Post by: pious on February 05, 2016, 01:10:21 pm
anglo
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 05, 2016, 01:25:43 pm
Maybe add a disclaimer somewhere that the search box is below?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2016, 01:52:34 pm
lol
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2016, 01:52:58 pm
Money
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Post by: Orca on February 05, 2016, 03:52:04 pm
USD strengthens sharply due to NFP results?
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Post by: Moonraker on February 06, 2016, 06:58:33 pm
"Once market internals deteriorate, central bank easing fails to provoke speculation, on average. The gas pedal is useless when the spark plugs are gone. Worse, central bank easing, in the context of unfavorable market internals, is typically a response to unexpected economic weakness. As a result, such “panic” easings are often followed by a further collapse."
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Post by: Nios on February 06, 2016, 08:33:09 pm
anyone know where i can find a list of all SA REITs with their divvies?
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Post by: Nios on February 06, 2016, 08:33:12 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on February 08, 2016, 07:08:58 am
Chinese holidays
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Post by: Patrick on February 08, 2016, 10:19:58 am
Happy fire monkey year :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 08, 2016, 11:57:54 am
Happy fire monkey year to u as well, Patrick, where is I on leaderboard? my screen is broken again...  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on February 08, 2016, 12:44:44 pm
What the hell is up with my NPN :'(
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Post by: Patrick on February 08, 2016, 04:10:07 pm
Not sure I'll use this but... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/funds/12095408/How-the-scrabble-index-beat-the-stock-market.html
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Post by: Patrick on February 08, 2016, 05:21:50 pm
I think we'll call jaDEB the comeback kid from now on. Doubling down on LON took some balls!
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Post by: jaDEB on February 08, 2016, 05:31:37 pm
:)
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 09, 2016, 09:26:10 am
It fits my idea of how I 'see' JaDEB - that guy from Back to the Future - the young one. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2016, 10:35:19 am
Thanks MoneyPenny :), now can some1 please get Frikkie the %$#@ out of the Naspers Offices...Please !!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 09, 2016, 12:19:17 pm
F RPL
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Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2016, 02:43:54 pm
Frikkie is sitting next to me, hitting me on the head. He even took my wallet...bastard
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Post by: Q on February 09, 2016, 03:50:28 pm
Naspers?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2016, 03:52:49 pm
yeS, nASPERS IS 64% OF MY pORT....DRugs SOME1 gIVe ME druGS..
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Post by: Patrick on February 09, 2016, 04:23:07 pm
That's the reason the STXIND scares me. Waaay too much in NPN (and SAB, and CFR) for my liking. I don't think anyone should hold 10%+ in anything, unless your name is Koos Bekker...
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Post by: Hamster on February 09, 2016, 05:04:23 pm
I don't like that heavy NPN weighting in the STXIND either. But I don't know how to fix it other than buying more Top40/PTXTEN or something to supplement my STXIND?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2016, 05:07:54 pm
Now the dow/NDQ is positive...wtf!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2016, 07:36:25 am
Negative
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Post by: Fanus on February 10, 2016, 09:04:47 am
@jaDeb what a miraculous comeback
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2016, 11:18:27 am
:), did it years ago also, with a share SGL
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2016, 11:58:16 am
Back to No 1 on the darkside
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2016, 11:58:28 am
Hold thumbs ..... :)
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Post by: lloydluvinspace on February 10, 2016, 01:52:29 pm
Back to No 1 on the darkside....

okay what does that mean? Excuse my misinformed Q  :o
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2016, 03:35:54 pm
It is the sharenet stock picks - :)
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Post by: Showmethemoney on February 10, 2016, 05:08:48 pm
gold
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 11, 2016, 09:51:28 am
whl - wow
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2016, 11:01:44 am
Wow nearly 10% down, what happened? I also see world markets are down 2%, anyone know why?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 11, 2016, 11:26:20 am
Have no clue - results seemed decent.
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2016, 11:30:49 am
ALSI down almost 13% from 2015 highs. Woolies???? Great results and drops like a stone.
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Post by: Bevan on February 11, 2016, 01:51:52 pm
Yellen spoke yesterday and underwhelmed the market.... this feels very much like 2007 again.... could see imminent bank failures.... Deutsche Bank on watchlist...
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Post by: Bevan on February 11, 2016, 01:52:39 pm
As they said of Lehman Bros in 2008, if you have to come out and say you're credit worthy, then it's already too late.....
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Post by: Bevan on February 11, 2016, 01:54:36 pm
All of 2014 and 2015's stock market gains have been wiped off the Dow....
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Post by: Bevan on February 11, 2016, 01:55:58 pm
ZAR showing remarkable strength in circumstances.... shows how incredibly oversold it was.....
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2016, 02:40:55 pm
Has Zuma started his speech? Longest red candle I have ever seen at 14H20 on the USD/ZAR.
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Post by: gcr on February 11, 2016, 02:50:48 pm
The market has already factored in a negative SONA address this evening - needs to be impeached
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Post by: jaDEB on February 11, 2016, 03:07:00 pm
What time is SONA? 7pm?
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2016, 03:45:07 pm
Yes 7pm. I had some cash lying in my account, decided to buy this afternoon, let's see if it was a wise decision...
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Post by: erwintwr on February 11, 2016, 04:00:22 pm
hmmm hint hint what did you buy? i made 13% on gold today ( SGL/ HAR/ ANG / GFI), but decided not to push it while markets is closed.
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2016, 04:23:49 pm
nothing exciting, just some divtrx. unfortunately i ask bought some VWRD yesterday, should have waited till today....
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2016, 06:09:47 pm
Managed to pick up SABC2 live on the internet so will be watching the SONA here in Portugal.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 11, 2016, 07:47:12 pm
eNCA livestream on YouTube is better
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Post by: Orca on February 11, 2016, 09:29:19 pm
EFF has made the ZAR to tank. Made a mockery of SA and no matter what Zuma says, bananas will be dished out at the dinner.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2016, 07:08:09 am
The rant is at R15.89, but yes it is hardbreaking how they act
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2016, 12:35:08 pm
Frikkie, I am getting old, enjoying Bette Midler music on my I-Pod :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2016, 04:39:07 pm
ACL +25%, AGL + 16%, BIL + 6%, KIO + 16% :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 12, 2016, 04:44:54 pm
yes I'm also feeling quite smart for buying divtrx yesterday
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Post by: Moonraker on February 13, 2016, 03:40:23 pm
@Fawkes85 Reason for drop RPL, CCO and others.  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-12/central-london-real-estate-losing-haven-status-as-bears-move-in

RPL better than CCO due to German exposure plus no luxury ultra high rental stuff.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 15, 2016, 09:51:49 am
http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/stockpicks/index.php?facebook=    :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 15, 2016, 09:55:27 am
bit happier today with RPL and TEX fawkes? :)
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Post by: Moonraker on February 15, 2016, 10:08:56 am
All to do with Brexit jitters. A positive is that HSBC announced that they will keep their HO in central London.
(RPL up on pocket change volume - not indicative).
I hope that there won't be a Brexit, it will cause havoc.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 15, 2016, 01:06:19 pm
Yeah. RPL not up much. Still way off from where it was a mere two months ago. TEX shot up but I don't think it will hold. Will probably fall back down in an hour or two.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 15, 2016, 02:17:26 pm
With RPL there is also the raising of GBP 100 million for the AUK acquisition coming up. Part of the multi year restructuring of RPL.
Pain now, but going forward should be good, even with Brexit.
It's hard to beat NEPI/RES/FFB and those are the ones that should form the bulk of a REIT/Property portfolio.
I also like SRE.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 16, 2016, 09:32:57 am
Kumba shareholders are referred to the announcement today by Anglo American plc (“Anglo American”),
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Post by: jaDEB on February 16, 2016, 09:33:35 am
 of its intention to exit its 69.7% shareholding in the Company, at the appropriate time and in an orderly manner
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Post by: jaDEB on February 16, 2016, 12:18:48 pm
Oakbay Resources and Energy Ltd. - Chairman: Atul Kumar Gupta
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Post by: Patrick on February 16, 2016, 01:07:13 pm
This seems like a pretty accurate view of what was going on in December. seems we have a fight on between two very wealthy families: http://m.fin24.com/fin24/BizNews/named-van-rooyens-two-gupta-advisors-who-almost-hijacked-sa-treasury-20160215
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Post by: Orca on February 16, 2016, 06:40:47 pm
Seems like Zuma is toast.
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Post by: czc on February 16, 2016, 07:35:23 pm
Why, what happened today.
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Post by: Orca on February 16, 2016, 08:49:45 pm
I was referring to Patrick's post below.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2016, 03:33:50 pm
What is up with KIO ?
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Post by: Orca on February 17, 2016, 06:39:18 pm
I call USD/ZAR at R13,8 within 2-3 weeks.
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2016, 06:55:02 pm
I'm watching it had back to normal levels with a big sigh of relief, you've been right before about other things Orca, I'm hoping you are again here!
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Post by: gcr on February 17, 2016, 10:02:08 pm
If Zuma resigns tomorrow - then it should head back to below R 10 to the US$ >:D
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Post by: Orca on February 17, 2016, 11:42:46 pm
No. Inflation will catch up to inhibit further strengthening of the ZAR.
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Post by: Patrick on February 18, 2016, 08:54:12 am
Only 7 working days left to max out your tax free savings account. If you haven't put R30k into it (for each of your family members) make sure you do, even if it means selling your regular holdings. ABSA stockbrokers and Easy Equities are the cheapest providers around.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 18, 2016, 08:56:17 am
Good tip :)
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Post by: gcr on February 18, 2016, 02:52:14 pm
Well I am presently negotiating with my stock brokers to open a TFSA account, whereby fees will waived or significantly reduced due to my share portfolio being held with them (normal mst, strate fees etc will apply), and they can show my holding on the same platform - so will be happy if I get this right
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Post by: Patrick on February 18, 2016, 03:07:31 pm
Sounds interesting, which broker is that GCR? PS I see the rand at under R15.40, hope it keeps going!
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Post by: jaDEB on February 18, 2016, 04:48:43 pm
Darkside, jaDEB 53%, Happyboy 37%....hold thumbs
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Post by: Q on February 18, 2016, 06:04:44 pm
World's Largest Hedge Fund Bridgewater Pure Alpha Lost Over 10% Or $8 Billion In The Last Two Weeks
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Post by: Orca on February 18, 2016, 08:36:17 pm
US red tonight sending the dollar higher. Not good for ZAR in the very short term.
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Post by: Q on February 19, 2016, 11:20:31 am
MTN -18%
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Post by: 100ways on February 19, 2016, 12:28:41 pm
JUST BOUGHT -  :TU:
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2016, 12:33:56 pm
Nice
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Post by: 100ways on February 19, 2016, 01:35:08 pm
Hopefully will have a quick bounce in the next week or so  :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on February 19, 2016, 02:17:03 pm
Darkside update, jaDEB 53%, Happyboy 33%....hold thumbs
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Post by: Q on February 19, 2016, 04:38:08 pm
Thumbs Being Held :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 19, 2016, 10:00:02 pm
I'm out of fingernails after that cricket match!
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Post by: Molebogeng on February 22, 2016, 11:00:16 am
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Post by: Q on February 22, 2016, 11:24:01 am
World trade is so bad that cargo ships are being scrapped at double the 1986 record rate
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Post by: Orca on February 22, 2016, 02:52:29 pm
Pound tumbles as Boris Johnson backs Brexit. The sterling is the most expensive currency in the world.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 22, 2016, 03:42:23 pm
Yes, and it's wreaking havoc on GBP Rand hedges. Would you like to see Brexit ?
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Post by: Orca on February 22, 2016, 03:45:19 pm
Yes because it will bring down the Euro as well. I need that now.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 22, 2016, 05:53:19 pm
Darkside update. jaDEB 60%, Happyboy 42%....
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Post by: Patrick on February 22, 2016, 07:37:46 pm
rand at R15.18...
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Post by: Orca on February 22, 2016, 08:11:39 pm
The Rand is not a Rant now. My prediction of 13,80 looks in sight already.
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Post by: Luna on February 23, 2016, 06:41:07 am
Uhh... the Sterling isn't the most expensive currency in the world. The Kuwaiti Dinar is.
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Post by: Luna on February 23, 2016, 06:41:47 am
Just saying :)
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Post by: Luna on February 23, 2016, 06:43:16 am
Or am I wrong?
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Post by: Q on February 23, 2016, 07:28:04 am
BHP Billiton Slashes Dividend By 75% On 92% Profit Plunge, Announces $4.9 Billion Shale Writedown
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Post by: jaDEB on February 23, 2016, 08:13:32 am
FFS, was it expected or am I in for a hiding?
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Post by: Q on February 23, 2016, 08:25:59 am
lol BHP closed +2.62% in Aussie Land
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Post by: gcr on February 23, 2016, 09:07:35 am
Curro going to market for another R 1 billion present p/e + 185. Another day at the races?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 23, 2016, 09:17:38 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 23, 2016, 09:49:13 am
:'(
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Post by: Orca on February 23, 2016, 03:01:12 pm
@luna. You are correct if you compare it to the USD.
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Post by: Samurai on February 24, 2016, 07:06:00 am
south32
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2016, 11:08:47 am
everything gone south !!! :"(
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Post by: Samurai on February 24, 2016, 11:28:06 am
Huawei Technologies buying Telkom or just a rumor?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2016, 03:20:29 pm
This will mostly be through yet another big increase of 30 cents per litre in the fuel levy as well as increases in capital gains tax, property transfer tax and an increase of about 7% in the usual sin taxes (alcohol and tobacco).
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Post by: Moonraker on February 24, 2016, 03:47:56 pm
Hey, not too bad. CGT = 40% inclusion rate and 16,4% max. effective if you are in the top marginal bracket (41%)
Annual exclusion of R40 000 capital gain or capital loss is granted to
individuals and special trusts. (Up from 30.000.-)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 24, 2016, 03:49:48 pm
Fanks Mr Bond :)
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Post by: Moonraker on February 24, 2016, 03:58:15 pm
Nothing of substance to change the framework to business friendly - and the Rand drops.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 24, 2016, 04:01:50 pm
“Market expectations were a lot higher for a more austere budget,” Mike Schussler, chief economist at Johannesburg-based research group Economists.co.za, said by phone. “Will they really be able to curtail the wage bill? That’s the key question.”
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Post by: Samurai on February 24, 2016, 04:16:50 pm
Withholding tax increase from 10% to 15% ???
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Post by: Moonraker on February 24, 2016, 04:21:38 pm
Withholding tax was and remains @ 15%
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Post by: Samurai on February 24, 2016, 04:34:47 pm
Moonraker, now I hav nothing to complain about :(
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Post by: Orca on February 24, 2016, 08:49:50 pm
Austerity measures not nearly strict enough to attract foreign investors. Upcoming elections more  important seems.
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Post by: Patrick on February 24, 2016, 09:00:02 pm
Yes, for the last few weeks Pravin has done all the right things, pity he couldn't finish strong today.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 25, 2016, 10:03:45 am
If you liked Sin City and 300 - watch Deadpool - well worth it
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2016, 12:01:23 pm
:'(
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Post by: Fanus on February 25, 2016, 03:30:23 pm
@jaDeb You knew lonmin was a very unstable card to play?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2016, 04:05:11 pm
YEs, I know ... only 1% of my real portfolio :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2016, 04:05:38 pm
How the F%$Kpkl can this be true "South Africa's unemployment rate fell to 24.5 percent of the labour force in the fourth quarter of the year from 25.5 percent in the third quarter, official data showed on Thursday"
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Post by: Fanus on February 25, 2016, 04:50:01 pm
I wouldn't even believe the 25.5% until I get the official source data.  It's not for the public to know how these figures come about so why should I trust them at all?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 25, 2016, 05:40:46 pm
Darkside update, jaDEB 67%, myshare 59%.... :'(
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Post by: Fanus on February 26, 2016, 08:53:07 am
Let's get some positive speculation going : How long is this rush into mining going to continue?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2016, 10:09:49 am
No idea, but I based my thinking on it will be a while, 6 months
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Post by: jaDEB on February 26, 2016, 11:58:07 am
Darkside update, jaDEB 72%, myshare 58%....  comp closes Monday COB
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Post by: Orca on February 26, 2016, 07:25:13 pm
Who to blame for ZAR? Brazil, Moody or Gordhan? Perhaps the bickering politicians?
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Post by: gcr on February 26, 2016, 07:55:03 pm
Yup - Zuma acting like a petulant child and now getting his cohorts to start gouging Gordhan's eyes out. The drop in the Rand today is quite frightening.
Pity so few of the NEC have no backbone and are unable to see the wood for the trees
What is it with the ANC and its followers they seem hellbent on destroying things rather than improving or building new things.
Seems like the idiots and savages are running the show whether it be in parliament or universities with all this "this must fall" and "that must fall" hard work and dedication seems like an unholy word
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Post by: Patrick on February 26, 2016, 10:08:24 pm
Yes, it seems there is a war on in the ruling party. The President is a wounded animal, and therefore very dangerous. It might be a bit premature to say it, but I think JZ is losing the battle, and quite possibly his mind too. I'm thinking that if we get a court ruling against Zuma, either soon in terms of the constitutional court ruling on Nkandla, or at some point in the future related to the soon to be reinstated corruption charges that we'll see him recalled. I can no longer see him finishing this term.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 27, 2016, 07:15:58 am
'Hard work and dedication seem like and unholy word.' Seems to be the biggest problem with us millennials. We were raised in a very liberal world that told us that we are entitled to everything. We are a lost generation.
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Post by: gcr on February 27, 2016, 01:52:36 pm
There are 2 issues that may well keep Zuma as president 1) The IEC may not be able to run elections this year even though legally they have to hold an election by latest August this year - reason Con Court has instructed IEC to obtain and record physical addresses for voters 2) Zuma is hugely popular in the rural areas because of his roots, so withdrawing him before the elections would create a problem for the ANC in terms of votes cast for them in these areas. Once the elections are squared off then there is every likelihood that he will be withdrawn. The problem is the ANC don't have a universally acceptable leader to replace Zuma as all of the punted candidates all have baggage Mbete - fraudulent drivers license via one John Block; Duarte - her husband had an accident in her state vehicle and she tried every trick in the book to hide the incident (car was written off if I recall correctly). Squirrel Cyril - has survived in business through BEE largesse but is not a competent business owner and has Marikana hanging over his head, Dlamini Zuma - supposedly will ensure no charges are laid against her ex husband and so will protect the guilty, also whilst holding her various portfolios whilst in government she was no ball of fire Home Affairs is still a shambles
So who does the ANC put forward is a serious problem - there are no competent leaders within the NEC/PEC - as a wild option maybe the sitting Minister of Finance should be given the job as he seems to have the country at heart but seen as too business friendly, but I do believe he could do the job and would have the creditability of foreigners and SA citizens alike
Just me views - now - on with researching how to squirrel money out of the country without raising alarm bells   
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Post by: Moonraker on February 27, 2016, 03:07:36 pm
Barclays to sell R120bn Absa. The annoucement is on Tuesday. Who's next
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 28, 2016, 05:02:13 am
Japan's population down by 1 million. Can't be good for Japanese economy.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 28, 2016, 05:10:42 am
Also Hawks backtracked and said they are not investigating Gordhan. And so Zuma loses another battle.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 28, 2016, 05:54:48 pm
Where did you get that info Fawkes85 ?
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Post by: Moonraker on February 28, 2016, 05:55:15 pm
Zuma wants Gordhan to cooperate with Hawks - report

 
Cape Town - Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan will not receive any help from President Jacob Zuma relating to the so-called rogue unit at SA Revenue Service (Sars) at the time he was commissioner, according to City Press.

This despite the Presidency rejecting claims of a conspiracy against Gordhan and the African National Congress (ANC) issuing a formal statement of support for Gordhan.

The paper reported on Sunday that The Hawks are confident that they have a strong case against Gordhan, adding that Zuma was briefed by Police Minister Nathi Nhleko and Hawks head Major General Mthandazo Ntlemeza on the progress of the case at a meeting last month.

Zuma, who is said to believe that Gordhan should cooperate with investigators, was taken through the details of the case.

In a letter sent to Gordhan last Friday, Gordhan was given until Wednesday to hand-deliver his responses to 27 questions over his involvement with the formation of the so-called rogue unit at Sars.

Secretary General Gwede Mantashe said the ruling party was "extremely concerned" about reports that the Hawks sent questions to Gordhan four days before his Budget Speech about his knowledge of a rogue unit.

However, Zuma's office indirectly hit back at Mantashe, saying it "noted rumours and gossip which insinuate some conspiracy" against the finance minister.

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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 28, 2016, 06:10:03 pm
On the News24 app
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 28, 2016, 06:13:35 pm
No. Sorry. Pretoria News website.

"There is no investigation into Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan, the Hawks confirmed yesterday(Friday), despite a series of questions sent to him about his knowledge of a so-called “rogue” intelligence unit that allegedly operated at the SA Revenue Service during his term as commissioner there."

http://www.iol.co.za/business/news/hawks-back-off-gordhan-1990623
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 28, 2016, 06:15:21 pm
Zuma must have called them off as he was once again reminded that Treasury is off limits to him.
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Post by: Moonraker on February 28, 2016, 06:17:58 pm
OK, but Z. does not want to let PG off the hook. Link to my previous http://www.fin24.com/Economy/zuma-wants-gordhan-to-cooperate-with-hawks-report-20160228
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Post by: Moonraker on February 28, 2016, 06:27:37 pm
That and the IEC problem (possibly no local elections this year) means ZA is truly you know what. Who is the bright spark predicting R/$ below 14 ?
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Post by: Orca on February 28, 2016, 08:23:42 pm
That was me. I predicted that and I was correct for weeks as the ZAR strengthened almost daily and it was a good call as no one saw Brazil and the SARB/Hawkes saga coming. Had that not happened, the ZAR would have gained substantially against the USD after Gordhan's speech.
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Post by: Immobilier on February 28, 2016, 09:14:07 pm
Marco - you are always right, just like my wife - ifs and buts notwithstanding. Had the sun not come up today, I would have a been a billionaire.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 08:00:39 am
•   I'm going to retire and live off of my savings. Not sure what I'll do the second week.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 08:16:49 am
tHERE GoES my 1st PLaCE on dArkSiDE "Kumba to vigorously defend SARS tax assessment" FFS
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 29, 2016, 10:02:15 am
@Moonraker I get what you are saying but do you think it matters what JZ want anymore? He's not the all powerful man he was just six months ago. Even his strongest allies, Gwede Mantashe being the biggest, have left him. What JZ wants does not necessarily translate into what JZ gets anymore.
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Post by: Fanus on February 29, 2016, 10:17:47 am
Here comes the next round of resources doubling up
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 10:48:48 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 11:44:53 am
Darkside Update jaDEB 85%, myshare 67%. sorry about the posting but I am keen on winning.
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Post by: Q on February 29, 2016, 03:25:55 pm
F%^*ING NETFLIX, My VPN not working anymore. Of course you will win jaDEB
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Post by: Fanus on February 29, 2016, 04:07:22 pm
@JaDEB what percentages are you quoting below?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 04:40:55 pm
Darkside (Sharenet Competition) - http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/stockpicks/index.php?facebook=
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 04:44:27 pm
Darkside Update jaDEB 87%, myshare 64%..
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Post by: jaDEB on February 29, 2016, 05:52:22 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on February 29, 2016, 06:45:39 pm
Congrats jaDEB, see if you can make it a double over here.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 01, 2016, 07:05:48 am
Thks Patrick, will try my best !!
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Post by: Q on March 01, 2016, 12:17:05 pm
Patrick any chance adding NEWUSD to the list
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Post by: Moonraker on March 01, 2016, 03:04:19 pm
Wtf..

Shares in Barclays Plc fell as much as 11 percent in London trading this morning after the lender announced it was slashing its dividend and reducing its stake in its Africa unit in an attempt to shrink the bank and build capital ratios. Barclays also announced that it had identified potential money-laundering activities at its South African business, where it is also subject to a wider investigation over whether banks including Barclays colluded to rig the rand. Shares were trading 10.7 percent lower at 10:55 a.m. London time.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 01, 2016, 03:22:14 pm
wtf !!! agree...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2016, 10:22:02 am
Fikkie is not at KIO, that is for sure.. maybe he is drawing money at ABSA.
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Post by: Samurai on March 02, 2016, 10:24:32 am
KIO looking good hey, hope they can keep going up...
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Post by: Pluto on March 02, 2016, 11:09:51 am
Thanks for the TFSA reminder Patrick, my R30000 is now R31000 ... Not bad for a weeks work :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2016, 12:58:49 pm
Damn, Samurai, we jinxed KIO... :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 02, 2016, 02:28:22 pm
F & G index in the "greed" area. The highest this year. Are we in the eye of the storm?
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Post by: marguerittereed on March 02, 2016, 02:54:34 pm
Lonmin finally broke even from December!!!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2016, 04:38:47 pm
I also want NPN to recover to R2200.... :)
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Post by: Samurai on March 02, 2016, 05:04:04 pm
Did not see KIO dropping by 7% today... downing a scotch tonight.
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Post by: lloydluvinspace on March 03, 2016, 01:03:55 pm
Q, is one allowed to utilised profits gain withing the Easy Equities tax free savings account to buy more ETF within the same TFS?
are there any implications when does this?
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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2016, 01:16:09 pm
Yes, you really should be doing this. You can buy the same ETF, or a different one, just don't leave your money in cash, it earns very little for you.
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Post by: lloydluvinspace on March 03, 2016, 01:28:35 pm
 :TU:
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Post by: Q on March 03, 2016, 02:59:11 pm
Patrick how about adding NEWUSD to the competition
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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2016, 03:08:19 pm
It's on the way.
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Post by: Patrick on March 03, 2016, 03:12:27 pm
Done
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Post by: Q on March 03, 2016, 04:29:32 pm
Thanks
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Post by: Tremaine on March 03, 2016, 05:48:11 pm
hi
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Post by: Tremaine on March 03, 2016, 05:49:25 pm
aip
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2016, 05:50:35 pm
Hello
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 04, 2016, 06:29:43 am
Say what?
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Post by: Hstig on March 04, 2016, 07:21:39 am
watch the goldminers today
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Post by: Patrick on March 04, 2016, 08:00:28 am
Been watching them for ages, but I don't understand it one bit!
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Post by: Hstig on March 04, 2016, 08:20:41 am
The simple answer is they produce in rands and sell in dollars. So weak R/$ bettter margins for same effort, but they are very sensitive to the $/oz price of gold. Global unrest( North Korea) and economic turmoil have also re-inforced gold's safe haven status
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Post by: Tefofo on March 04, 2016, 08:35:20 am
Hi there,

 would like to withdraw some money
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Post by: jaDEB on March 04, 2016, 09:16:59 am
lol
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Post by: FransH on March 04, 2016, 10:15:41 am
Please add PETMIN
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Post by: Patrick on March 04, 2016, 05:21:55 pm
I'll look into it FransH, are they regularly traded?
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Post by: Patrick on March 05, 2016, 10:50:09 am
Haha Tefofo, were you being serious or just funny?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 05, 2016, 06:06:33 pm
I think he was actually serious lol
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Post by: Patrick on March 05, 2016, 07:29:23 pm
You might be right, his only other post was in the chat in August last year and said "How do I get the moola? "!
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Post by: FransH on March 06, 2016, 10:39:08 am
Not that regular but expecting something nice coming. please add
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Post by: Luna on March 07, 2016, 07:45:06 am
Petmin SENS released
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2016, 07:57:19 am
@Frans, when we enabled selling we agreed that it needs to be traded at least 16 times per day, any idea if it is traded that much? anyone else have that data perhaps?
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Post by: Samurai on March 07, 2016, 10:35:39 am
Kumba making a comeback :)
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Post by: Patrick on March 07, 2016, 11:16:49 am
In case anyone is wondering, all the RMB ETFs are now called ASH ETFs after the name change to Ashburton.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 07, 2016, 01:18:50 pm
Platinum hit 1000 USD :)
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Post by: Samurai on March 07, 2016, 03:09:50 pm
South 32 also seeing to be doing well Value buy?
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Post by: gcr on March 07, 2016, 03:53:20 pm
My opinion - anybody who invests in resources presently needs to take a valium at night :laugh:
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Post by: Q on March 07, 2016, 04:47:02 pm
Iron Ore jumped 19% today
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Post by: Q on March 07, 2016, 04:47:23 pm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-07/iron-ore-jumps-most-on-record-as-market-goes-berserk-on-china
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Post by: brad on March 07, 2016, 07:17:35 pm
@Frans, when we enabled selling we agreed that it needs to be traded at least 16 times per day, any idea if it is traded that much? anyone else have that data perhaps?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 08, 2016, 06:59:13 am
If u invested in resources 4 weeks ago, u would have made some nice cash :)
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Post by: FransH on March 08, 2016, 07:28:36 am
no sorry don't have! anyway too late now they jumped already
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Post by: Patrick on March 08, 2016, 07:49:25 am
Thanks for the attatchment Brad, can you help me figure out the columns. I imagine it's open, high, low, close, but what is D? The rest I get, but is D trades per day perhaps?
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Post by: Orca on March 08, 2016, 11:38:09 am
PETMIN trades more than 16 a day. Today is half done and it already has 34 trades.
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Post by: Patrick on March 08, 2016, 12:29:53 pm
Ok, thanks for that, it's been added, should be available in about 15 minutes.
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Post by: brad on March 08, 2016, 03:31:52 pm
Yes correct "D"means deals or trades per day.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 08, 2016, 05:48:56 pm
If u have KIO, LON, or BIL u need Steel b@lls. Any1 got some for me ?
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Post by: Samurai on March 08, 2016, 06:44:03 pm
bought kumba@63 sold @93 still happy.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2016, 06:55:25 am
Nice :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2016, 06:59:22 am
Trump: I'm more presidential than anyone except Lincoln
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2016, 11:48:08 am
Moody's on way to SA for thorough review http://www.fin24.com/Economy/moodys-on-way-to-sa-for-thorough-review-20160309
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2016, 12:48:35 pm
Should I wait at the Airport for them lol !!
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Post by: Orca on March 09, 2016, 07:22:10 pm
ZAR strengthens by 1,8% as emerging markets rebound on USA results.
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2016, 08:34:19 pm
Ah I was wondering what happened. Moody's announces they're coming and the rand strengthens, didn't make sense to me!
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2016, 07:53:50 am
R15.21/$, now all we need is for moodys to not downgrade us and we might dip under R15 for the first time in a long time.
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Post by: krycor on March 10, 2016, 10:09:46 am
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 12:10:44 pm
Moody will only downgrade SA to one notch above junk. This will not have a lasting effect on the ZAR.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2016, 02:57:52 pm
The European Central Bank cut all three interest rates and said it will expand its quantitative easing program in a bid to spur growth and inflation.
QE monthly purchases up from 60 billion € to 80 billion € -- more than expected.
The 25-member Governing Council, meeting in Frankfurt on Thursday, cut the rate on cash parked overnight by banks by 10 basis points to minus 0.4 percent, and its benchmark rate to zero. Bond purchases were raised to 80 billion euros ($87 billion) a month, starting in April, and corporate bonds will now be eligible.

So, € should weaken against US $ .. let's see what happens to the crosses.
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 03:08:27 pm
With that, we may see the ZAR below R15 today.
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 04:25:24 pm
And that is why only 3% of FX traders make money.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2016, 04:27:14 pm
Manufacturing output weighing on Rand ?

Manufacturing output in Africa's most advanced economy unexpectedly contracted by 2.5 percent year-on-year in January after rising by a revised 0.5 percent in December, Statistics South Africa said.
Economists polled by Reuters had expected factory production to rise marginally by 0.2 percent.
On a month-on-month basis, manufacturing was down 1.8 percent, and was also down 1.1 percent in the three months to January compared with the previous three months, the statistics agency said.
"Weak demand, higher input costs and a death of confidence are all likely to continue to keep the manufacturing sector hovering around recessionary levels in 2016," BNP Paribas Securities economist Jeffrey Schultz said.
Statistics South Africa said mining output fell by 4.5 percent year-on-year in January.
Disappointing economic growth has heightened fears South Africa's credit rating could be cut to sub-investment grade and further unnerve investors concerned about President Jacob Zuma's handling of the economy.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2016, 04:35:33 pm


U.S. Weekly Jobless Claims Drop More Than Expected

The Labor Department said initial jobless claims dropped to 259,000, a decrease of 18,000 from the previous week's revised level of 277,000.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2016, 05:43:33 pm
Orca, are you as baffled as I am ? € now a lot stronger than just after ECB from 1.08 to over 1.115 US $ to €. Rand however much weaker, from 15.08 to 15.38.
Is it the ZA manufacturing output data referred to ealier on ?
I have absolutely no idea.   
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 07:02:01 pm
Yes Moon. Defies logic. ZAR gained on the news and turned around with a vengeance. WTF? The EURO should have lost value and not gained.
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Post by: Q on March 10, 2016, 07:05:47 pm
If you traded FX it makes perfect sense
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 07:11:40 pm
Most traders do not trade on the news but wait for it to turn before getting in as the move is always overdone and will retract back but not as far. This retractment is not logical to me.
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Post by: Q on March 10, 2016, 07:30:47 pm
Apparently a Flower Show in China was responsible for Iron Ore Jumping 19% recently (FT)
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 07:39:33 pm
The market jumped to above 1.30 and then dropped nearly instantly to a low 1.28. This huge swing took place because Mario Draghi in a question and answer session after the ECB decision announced there will not be any further rate cuts. There was a chance negative interest rates would be introduced and as they have now been all but written off the market has put its confidence in the Euro - See more at: http://www.eurorateforecast.com/#sthash.JSxMzxwo.dpuf
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Post by: Orca on March 10, 2016, 07:49:51 pm
The bad news from SA attenuated the fall of the ZAR and cemented the downgrade.
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Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2016, 10:27:39 am
And then gains again the next day. Currency traders must be making a killing, or losing the shirt off their backs!
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Post by: Orca on March 11, 2016, 10:35:36 am
Traders act on impulse and then digest the news for some time to before making a decision on the direction it should be taking. Seems we will see sub 15 soon.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2016, 11:54:32 am
lon :)
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Post by: ninamina on March 11, 2016, 12:40:40 pm
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Post by: ninamina on March 11, 2016, 12:44:43 pm
anyone looking for info about megastocx, instastocx, tiestacron, MSI???
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Post by: Patrick on March 11, 2016, 03:53:23 pm
Did you get scammed by them? send Facebook and hello Peter are full of complaints.
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Post by: Orca on March 11, 2016, 08:53:20 pm
Brazil was recently downgraded to junk but:
The index is now up just over 30% for the rolling month, against the backdrop of growing bullishness on South American markets, following moves this year by recently elected President Mauricio Macri to reform neighbouring Argentina’s economy.
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Post by: Nivek on March 14, 2016, 12:27:43 pm
So how did those on top of the leaderboard predict that reasources were going to run as hard?
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Post by: Fanus on March 14, 2016, 01:00:46 pm
I'm of the opinion that the world is on a downward spiral and that gold is going to become very scarce in the next 2 years so I'm trying to own the mines (just like some other Zuptas). If you invest where the president invests you can't go wrong.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 14, 2016, 01:10:14 pm
Wait till (if) the FED increases rates - if they do gold will go down.
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Post by: Snapcase on March 14, 2016, 01:31:16 pm
I think its clear Mr President is a forex trader...   :P
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Post by: Luna on March 14, 2016, 01:35:04 pm
Are you sure gold will go down after the FED increases rates? Gold is up in rand after the December rate increase. Might go down in dollar terms. lol to be honest... I think Gold will go up in rand terms whether or not the FED increases rates or keep them stable.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 14, 2016, 02:08:00 pm
Agreed, in Rand terms it could be a totally different kettle of fish. However in $ terms, if the $ strengthens, it means that the $ strengthens against all commodities (which are priced in $), so by implication the commodity prices will be weaker. Conversely, if the dollar weakens so anything that is priced in dollars, including oil, becomes relatively stronger and that relative strength is reflected in a higher price.
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Post by: Luna on March 14, 2016, 02:21:10 pm
lol and if the US decides not to increase rates... keep it stable or maybe backtrack on interest rate plans... it might be that investors will also flee to Gold (loosing faith in QE and other stimulus methods). Might be Bullish for the Rand (not that the FED will decide this unless some crappy employment data comes out)
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Post by: Fanus on March 14, 2016, 02:28:33 pm
We sell our gold at R15.30, next month R17, next month R19.  I don't think the US job data, EU miracle stability or our politicians are going to change this trend any time soon
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Post by: Moonraker on March 15, 2016, 02:51:55 pm
Wtf

When Gordhan’s 17-strong “non-deal investment roadshow” travelled to London, Boston and New York last week, all flew business class. And in London the delegation, minus the trade union component, found lodgings at the luxury five-star Grange St Pauls hotel.

However, when they moved on to Boston and New York, the accommodation was at four-star level, at the Hyatt Boston Harbour and the historic Waldorf Astoria in New York.

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/gordhan-roadshow-wheres-the-belt-tightening-20160315


(R= 15.90)
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Post by: Nivek on March 15, 2016, 03:13:58 pm
My mood seems directly proportional to the rand dollar rate :(
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Post by: Orca on March 15, 2016, 03:37:55 pm
(Reuters) - South Africa's Hawks elite police unit said on Tuesday it would exercise its "constitutional powers" after Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan failed to meet a second deadline to answer its questions, weakening the rand further
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Post by: gcr on March 15, 2016, 04:20:10 pm
(Reuters) - South Africa's Hawks elite police unit said on Tuesday it would exercise its "constitutional powers" after Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan failed to meet a second deadline to answer its questions, weakening the rand further
So the Hawks who have been dismally inept and ineffective in every investigation to date think they are going to make a case against Gordhan - I seriously doubt so - he probably has more intelligence in his little finger compared to the sum of intelligence captured in the Hawks.
Can see Zuma is not backing off against Gordhan and seriously wants him out of his cabinet so that he can place one of his flunkies in his place.
I am convinced that the exchange rate would improve significantly of Zuma was impeached or withdrawn - just need some ANC cadre's with oo's to take him on
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Post by: Patrick on March 15, 2016, 04:28:24 pm
I think it might have something to do with Gordhan's respone to the question yesterday about the Guptas' meeting with Jonas. They asked if he had any knowledge and all he said was "My silence is your answer" or something like that. Here's a great article on the battle: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-03-14-analysis-when-the-sars-wars-became-an-all-out-war/
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Post by: Orca on March 15, 2016, 06:18:02 pm
The SARS rogue unit scandal was swept under the rug a long time ago so why has it now suddenly become an expedited priority? The Hawks head must be charged with financial sabotage.
This is the start of the end. 
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2016, 07:56:31 am
So what new bombshells can we expect today? Will the latest Gupta revelation shake things up in the ANC. JZ will never see 2019, I'll be surprised if he makes it past the 2017 ANC elections.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 16, 2016, 09:32:02 am
how about Gordhan arrested, R sliding into oblivion and interest rates up like you've never seen before?
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2016, 09:32:47 am
I see Grande Parade brought out their results this morning.
If I recall correctly there was a debate on whether to invest in this counter or not.
My view was that it was not the best counter to invest in if compared to Taste. Both are suffering from expansion "growing pains" with the launch of their recently acquired franchises, both are going to spend mega bucks establishing acceptable footprints and acquiring customers. My reflection on the 2 counters was that Adams (GPI) was been more involved in slot machines (is currently negotiating the sale of more slot machines) whereas Gonzaga has been in the food industry forever (some of their brands have stuttered along for years). The point I am making is that this is all new to Adams, but not to Gonzaga so chances are that he will bed down his acquisitions in a shorter time frame and also with less teething problems.
Both are going to be long term plays - I have gone the route of Taste over GPI and have literally warehoused my Taste shares not expecting much over the next 2 - 4 years from them - bought at an averaged price of R 2.95 and they are presently sitting at R 2.41 so taking a knock of +/- R 25,000 but am prepared to wait it out
So just my opinion on the 2 counters
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2016, 09:36:55 am
how about Gordhan arrested, R sliding into oblivion and interest rates up like you've never seen before?
Well if this does transpire the people to be hit 1st will undoubtedly be the poor who have no mechanism to generate cash to buy food so we could have an escalation of rioting and looting unprecedented in this country
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2016, 10:30:25 am
Oh dear MP, that would be total hell. I'm being optomistic, Zupta gets recalled after the municipal elections...
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Post by: Moonraker on March 16, 2016, 10:36:26 am
Hmm.. Think I should buy a new car now. Next year maybe 40% more.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2016, 10:41:50 am
Happy thoughts people happy thoughts..ffs
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Post by: Fanus on March 16, 2016, 10:46:54 am
@jaDEB I see uranium mines popping up everywhere and gold is so last century.  Resources are shining bright :)
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Post by: Orca on March 16, 2016, 11:00:18 am
Every time I look at the news, it gets worse and worse. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-03-15-state-capture-former-mp-publicly-reveals-guptas-offered-her-ministry/#.VukgCKeLTNM
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 16, 2016, 11:19:05 am
not today, no happy thoughts.
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2016, 01:42:58 pm
not today, no happy thoughts.
This must be all the protesters call to arms slogan :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2016, 01:53:15 pm
lol
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2016, 02:15:38 pm
Rant taking again... :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2016, 02:15:46 pm
Tanking
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2016, 02:53:10 pm
Yup as per my screen now Rant down 27 cents today alone and SARB don't announced interest rate move/non move until tomorrow
Just a quick summation is that the top 10 shares by value have traded a figure of +/- R 4.00 billion today - that seems significant
Lots of pain down the line?
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2016, 05:17:29 pm
so stories or that Jonas has confirmed the Guptas offered him the finance post. Had he just released a nuclear warhead in Zuma's direction?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2016, 05:28:04 pm
but OAKBAY is up 14 % lol
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Post by: Orca on March 16, 2016, 06:04:31 pm
http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2016/03/16/jonas-confirms-guptas-offered-him-finance-minister-job
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2016, 08:17:11 pm
Yup as per my screen now Rant down 27 cents today alone and SARB don't announced interest rate move/non move until tomorrow
Just a quick summation is that the top 10 shares by value have traded a figure of +/- R 4.00 billion today - that seems significant
Lots of pain down the line?
Some interesting figures (ex Sharenet) of value of transactions:-
10/03/2016   R 22.86 bill
11/03/2016   R 20.79 bill
14/03/2016   R 20.21 bill
15/03/2016   R 21.42 bill
16/03/2016   R 19.74 bill

Wonder how much of these funds are actually leaving the country permanently or awaiting re investment dependent on the strength of the Rand over the next 2 weeks.
Another rather damning statistic is that the IEC states that if addresses are compulsory for all voters then 65% would be ineligible to vote. If they have to get addresses in terms of the Con Court ruling then it would take them until 2019 to correct their records. So will be interesting to see how the Con Court handles this as there is a lose/lose situation at play. Lets see if Mogoeng Mooeng is a real justice person or just another Zuma flunky - interesting times ahead of us
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2016, 09:39:06 pm
How about that rand recovery since the news broke...
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Post by: Orca on March 16, 2016, 10:09:35 pm
Gordhan and Jonas are not fools. I am sure Gordhan asked Jonas to disclose it to salvage the ZAR from its free fall.
We now have 2 senior ministers implicating the Guptas in politics for their own gain and for Zuma.
This is the start of Zexit. Many a book will be written about the Zuma Saga and his scheme to hijack the country as his mentor Bob taught him.
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2016, 10:41:31 pm
Zexit, I like it!
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Post by: Orca on March 16, 2016, 11:42:24 pm
Zuma will be gone by Friday. He has become too much of an embarrassment to the ANC and the NEC can see that he has tried to hijack the whole country for himself. The NEC has a meeting with him on Thursday and this may well be the last of him.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 17, 2016, 04:48:50 am
Just shows what greed can do to an idiot. He had it all and he just kept on pushing his luck. Now he's going to lose everything. The Guptas too probably. They are going to become a bunch lepers. Everyone will know from here on out it will be political suicide to deal with them.
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Post by: Fanus on March 17, 2016, 09:32:55 am
OMG...my bet against SA is failing. It's a bag of mixed emotions :)
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Post by: marguerittereed on March 17, 2016, 10:04:32 am
Mr Market in a good mood today!! Must be all news
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Post by: Moonraker on March 17, 2016, 01:18:12 pm
Zuma will be gone by Friday. He has become too much of an embarrassment to the ANC and the NEC can see that he has tried to hijack the whole country for himself. The NEC has a meeting with him on Thursday and this may well be the last of him.

I hope so, but remember the NEC is loaded with Zupta acolytes and tenderpreneurs. It's the so called top six (which includes Gwede Mantashe) that want him to disappear. Can they bring weight to bear on the NEC ? I really hope so !
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Post by: Samurai on March 17, 2016, 01:23:40 pm
Well both the Alsi and top 40 is up looking good people
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Post by: Patrick on March 17, 2016, 03:28:07 pm
Repo rate up another .25% to 7%.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 17, 2016, 03:36:28 pm
Mistake. Growth is more important than inflation.
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Post by: Patrick on March 17, 2016, 07:33:56 pm
Our super volatile rand is at R15.14 tonight.
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Post by: Q on March 17, 2016, 10:00:20 pm
If Zuma keeps his job it will be back over R16 next week
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Post by: Orca on March 17, 2016, 11:26:53 pm
If Zuma keeps his job then this country will be a Mafia led country. The NEC knows this and as much as some of us dislike the ANC, they have some smart and educated people that will not allow this.
RIP Zuma.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 18, 2016, 08:26:21 am
If I’m not mistaken, a majority of two-thirds of the total house needs to come aboard before impeachment, what is the chance?
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Post by: gcr on March 18, 2016, 09:42:55 am
There is always a simple solution to a vexatious problem. All it requires is that sufficient ANC MP's follow their conscience and refrain from voting - called abstention - this would solve the 2/3rds requirement. Whether it will happen is another matter entirely.
Personally I don't think anything will happen until the the municipal election results are in, and then the ANC will recall Zuma as they can lay the blame at his doorstep for their poor showing. Its a more acceptable way of exiting Zuma as the phrase "the people have spoken" takes on relevance
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2016, 02:18:08 pm
I think nothing will happen, weeks from now he will still be here.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 18, 2016, 03:43:30 pm
Maybe. But he is clearly stretching even the ANC's patience thin. He will be on very thin ice from now on or only president in name while the NEC run the place.
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Post by: czc on March 20, 2016, 01:18:22 pm
Zuma given standing ovation, I think we can now safely say nothing will happen.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 20, 2016, 02:20:04 pm
A whitewash will negatively affect the Rand come Monday. Is there a link ?
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Post by: Q on March 20, 2016, 08:53:10 pm
ANC says it has full confidence in Zuma (Timeslive)
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Post by: Patrick on March 21, 2016, 10:18:03 am
I read the full statement. To me it seems they are backing him for now while collecting more information. I still stand by my post constitutional court ruling date...
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Post by: gcr on March 21, 2016, 03:32:16 pm
Yup but the markets are not going to like this support for Zuma by the NEC/ANC - I think we are going to see a marked sell off tomorrow and the Rand could go beyond R 16 :'(
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Post by: Orca on March 21, 2016, 10:09:27 pm
Never seen the ZAR this volatile before as traders look for direction.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2016, 02:17:08 pm
What up wiff my fishies ? (OCE)
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Post by: Q on March 23, 2016, 12:15:39 am
Nigerian state oil firm 'withheld $25bn over five years' (BBC)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2016, 07:13:50 am
Fish oil?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2016, 07:48:47 am
Why would you film the Brussels happenings with your cell, with a lady lying next to you trying to protect a child or elderly person. Then you go and slap it on the internet, frikkin people of today. When is that mothership getting here to pick me up…
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Post by: Nivek on March 23, 2016, 08:45:44 am
I agree, why aren't you doing something to help, and why do you think the world wants to see that?
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Post by: Fanus on March 23, 2016, 04:17:16 pm
Time to sell! The country is going down the shute
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2016, 04:51:48 pm
Why?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2016, 05:05:27 pm
my LON and Fishies is down 7% +  :'(
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Post by: Q on March 23, 2016, 05:27:33 pm
U.S. Mining Losses Last Year Wipe Out Profits From Past Eight Years (WSJ)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2016, 05:32:58 pm
I need to find Frikkie....
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Post by: Orca on March 24, 2016, 10:33:39 am
Losses are in line with EM. Not SA problems.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2016, 11:36:17 am
What time does the JSE close today 12h00?
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Post by: czc on March 24, 2016, 11:43:31 am
Normal time surely?
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Post by: Q on March 24, 2016, 11:55:59 am
jaDEB how u doing on darkside?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 24, 2016, 12:11:29 pm
Darkside is closed, Stockpiks says ,coming soon.... with new prizes...
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Post by: Patrick on March 29, 2016, 09:12:58 am
Everyone have a good easter break?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 29, 2016, 10:10:27 am
Always, and you?
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Post by: lloydluvinspace on March 29, 2016, 11:42:34 am
it was good.. totally switched off from this life here *hides* :whistle:
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Post by: Patrick on March 29, 2016, 03:55:48 pm
Good to have time off, but next time I'll avoid sun city on a public holiday!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 30, 2016, 05:00:36 am
It's really nice when you don't follow SENS announcements and then you unexpectedly get a message from your broker that a considerable amount in dividends had just been paid into your account :)
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Post by: Nivek on March 30, 2016, 07:58:41 am
Which share was it Fawkes?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 30, 2016, 08:39:05 am
TEX
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 30, 2016, 09:29:27 am
@Patrick:  Are they done for now with construction & upgrades at SunC? – been there last year for a week and most of the restaurants were closed, going again for yearly winter sabbatical but I’ve read somewhere more upgrades to the tune of R-billion-something will be commencing in 4th Q?  Really hope at least restaurants are up and running.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2016, 10:54:34 am
rant R15.01 :)
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Post by: Q on March 30, 2016, 01:56:40 pm
USDZAR 14.89
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2016, 02:19:21 pm
Go Rand go! I still think we'd be another R1 better off without Zuma around. @MP nope it's still a building site, no entertainment area until December.
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Post by: Q on March 30, 2016, 02:49:17 pm
Patrick my Portfolio is valued at R450k but I'm 36th?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2016, 02:50:33 pm
@Patrick, your comp total worth vs nett worth (After tax), what is the difference. Tax % ?
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Post by: Q on March 30, 2016, 02:53:15 pm
Maybe I'm being double taxed when my net worth is shown?
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Post by: Fanus on March 30, 2016, 03:05:05 pm
Go Rand Go??? I thought you were on my side Patrick. Do you know how bad this bad rand is for my investments!?!
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Post by: Snapcase on March 30, 2016, 03:29:02 pm
@Patrick, your comp total worth vs nett worth (After tax), what is the difference. Tax % ?
Patrick my Portfolio is valued at R450k but I'm 36th?
Take 30% of your profit from the selling of shares, and subtract that from your total worth.  That will give you your Net worth (after tax) amount used on the leaderboard.

My own portfolio as of now:
Total worth: R379 920,12
Net profit on share sales: R188 211,15
30% of profit = R56 463,34
Net Worth (after tax) = R379 920 - R56 463 = R323456.75 (same as leaderboard)
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Post by: Q on March 30, 2016, 03:39:54 pm
Patrick please check my Portfolio
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 30, 2016, 03:50:18 pm
Ftfo :(   (SC not q)
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2016, 04:34:39 pm
Hey Q, yeah I think it all adds up, Snapcase is right, we're all in the 30% tax bracket for the game. It's what we started since we had selling, to more or less represent the real world.
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2016, 04:36:33 pm
Haha sorry Fanus, I have pretty much all my investments in Rand so I'm feeling much better at the moment. Once I have all of my money in my US brokerage account I'll switch sides for you :)
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Post by: Fanus on March 30, 2016, 04:50:46 pm
It might be a great feeling but how can this not be currency manipulation?
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Post by: Orca on March 30, 2016, 05:31:14 pm
Glad I did not take a gamble on the ZAR dropping and flee to USD. ZAR gained 2% and my portfolio by 2,8% today. This is a double whammy for me.  ;D
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Post by: Q on March 30, 2016, 08:14:18 pm
$$$ On Sale Today
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Post by: Orca on March 30, 2016, 10:31:32 pm
SA will not become a Zumbabwe. He has become too much of an embarrassment for the ANC and they will have to let him go after he pays for his floor mats and all.
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Post by: gcr on March 31, 2016, 12:12:03 am
I think some of the share price movements upwards yesterday and probably today are fund managers doing some window dressing at a quarter end again.
I am not sure why the Rand strengthened yesterday it may have something to do with Gordhan answering the Hawks question and could have something to do with the Con Courts ruling later today on the Nkandla issue. Gauntlett was at pains to say that whatever ruling is given, that impeachment, or unfit to hold office should not be a determinant in the outcome.
They do say the market knows everything
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 07:07:32 am
I finks it is the USD that is to strong for the US, it is now Euro to  $ 1.13
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Post by: Fawkes85 on March 31, 2016, 07:25:06 am
They may not be Vanguard but they are the next best thing and they are coming to SA:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/worlds-largest-asset-manager-launches-funds-in-sa/
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 08:50:25 am
Here's why ZAR strenthened: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/emerging-markets-rally-gathers-pace-as-fed-stirs-inflow-support
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 08:53:29 am
4th Place Total Worth R444k / Q Total Worth R445 27th something is wrong
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2016, 09:11:06 am
The numbers add up Q. Your total worth is R446k, but of that your profit so far has been R200k, you pay tax on profit of 30%, so the government (me!) wants R60k from you, leaving you with R386k in net worth.
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 09:14:05 am
Patrick what is the R44k I've paid in fees already from the R200k profit?
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 09:15:29 am
Are you saying from my R200k profit I've paid out R44k (Fees) + R60k (Tax) = R104k
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 09:55:45 am
Patrick, please note MoneyPenny will pay my tax on the IC. Thus it does not apply to me.
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 10:41:32 am
lol
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2016, 10:42:51 am
Yep, fees go to the broker, taxes go to the government, you have to pay both, here and in real life unfortunately! @jaDEB, she's missed the last payment, I'm sending my MMA fighter brother to come collect directly thanks :)
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 10:55:30 am
Thanks Patrick
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 10:56:22 am
S&P Revises China To AA- (NEGATIVE) From AA- (STABLE)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 31, 2016, 11:04:40 am
Seems you have a perfect aptitude for a bright and long future in parliament jaDEB. ;)   I really do know one of those MMA boytjies, should you need one P.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 11:32:15 am
Sies julle is lelik met my :'(
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Post by: czc on March 31, 2016, 11:43:52 am
Go ConCourt!
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Post by: Q on March 31, 2016, 12:01:06 pm
Constitutional Court Judges are FX Traders
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 12:28:01 pm
lol
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2016, 01:04:45 pm
@P. Don't forget that I am Non SA Resident so I pay no tax or VAT.  :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 03:13:50 pm
I am from Boksburg, Far east, thys also Non SA resident. Brakpan is Non world resident.
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2016, 03:15:40 pm
@P. Don't forget that I am Non SA Resident so I pay no tax or VAT.  :)
Haha! But are you right Orca? If you were a trader would it be seen as South African sourced income? From what I understand even someone living abroad earning money in SA will still pay SA tax on it.
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2016, 03:36:43 pm
R14.69...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 03:45:30 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 05:19:34 pm
Cunning plan, the winner of IC gets to visit Orca... :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2016, 05:27:41 pm
Please remember tmmrw is 1 April
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2016, 06:24:47 pm
@P. Check my post on the Tax thread.
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Post by: Q on April 01, 2016, 09:41:33 am
STOCKS BIGGEST COMEBACK SINCE 1933
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Post by: Q on April 01, 2016, 09:41:53 am
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/31/dow-posts-biggest-quarterly-comeback-since-1933.html
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2016, 11:55:32 am
African Bank Limited will be renamed Residual Debt Services Limited on or shortly after 4 April 2016.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 01, 2016, 12:44:25 pm
It's not just you! http://www.sharechat.co.za looks down from here.
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.sharechat.co.za/
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Post by: Moonraker on April 01, 2016, 01:16:20 pm
Up again.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 01, 2016, 04:18:21 pm
US Manufacturing up and NFP's  better than expected; lends some gains to the $
R/$ currently 14.94
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2016, 04:28:14 pm
That should change soon as traders digest this news and dump the $ for equities.
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Post by: Patrick on April 01, 2016, 06:04:36 pm
Back to 14.76
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Post by: Orca on April 01, 2016, 06:32:10 pm
A textbook response that FX traders use for their benefit. Don't trade on the news but on the retractment.
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Post by: Q on April 01, 2016, 07:01:43 pm
BREAKING: Zuma to address the nation after ConCourt ruling at 19h00 Tonight
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Post by: Q on April 01, 2016, 07:02:44 pm
ZAR 14.60
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Post by: Patrick on April 01, 2016, 07:44:04 pm
It wasn't me it was my lawyers. it wasn't me it was the police minister. it wasn't me it was the tooth fairy. I'm innocent!
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 02, 2016, 06:04:51 am
Gotta give it to him. He has perseverance. He is going to fight to the very, very, very end.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 10:10:51 am
I assume my African Bank shares is defunked !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 12:16:47 pm
Stock picks on darkside has awesome prices....go there now and play !!!! NOW...u can win a KIA..... (Sorry Patrick)
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Post by: Patrick on April 04, 2016, 12:19:59 pm
I also want a kia, but I'd probably sell it and buy a bicycle and a go on a long holiday :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 04, 2016, 12:21:21 pm
A Kia jaDEB, lol, to do what with?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 12:24:39 pm
U use the Kia to drive to the darkside...... no... no...there is cash also....
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 12:26:41 pm
KIA SPORTAGE (RRP R400,000)., Every month KIA will also be giving away three cash prizes of R30,000, R15,000 and R5,000
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 12:27:18 pm
I fink its a good thing..Patrick please talk to BMW about your IC... :)
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Post by: Orca on April 04, 2016, 12:28:07 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/south-africa/treasury-to-municipalities-the-party-is-over/
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Post by: gcr on April 04, 2016, 03:52:17 pm
Have you guys worked out the word puzzle from Sharenet as to how their competition works

How does it work

"Simply register, then pick 5 stocks at any point in each month, from April to November 2016, and you'll be in with a chance of winning"

Here's the confusion
1)You may pick a maximum of 5 stocks over the duration of the competition being run from April to November? O:-)
2)You can pick 5 stocks at anytime during the month and repeat this over the period April to November O:-)
3) You may pick a stock a month anytime during the month but may not exceed 5 stocks over the duration of the competition
4)You may select 5 stocks and purchase all 5 in the month of April and hold them for the duration of the competition
5) extension of 4 above but you can sell one of your 5 stocks purchased, but can't buy until the preceding month

The rules seem to be expected to be interpreted as the author wrote the rules, and not by the author trying to ensure no misinterpretation of the rules - some say that's singing from the same hymn book, I prefer to look at it and say confusing script, confused mind
Hope forumites interpret the rules like the author want you to without confusion, as I am indeed confused
 
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:19:50 pm
You can pick five different stocks or you can choose to double-up on one or two of them. Once your stocks are chosen you won't be able to make any further changes for that month, so do your research and make sure you're happy with your choices
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:20:27 pm
It is per month as in the past.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:24:28 pm
I is 3rd from last..... lol pathetic
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Post by: gcr on April 04, 2016, 04:29:32 pm
It is per month as in the past.

So my question still stands - can I purchase all 5 stocks in April and sit it out until the end of the competition with the self same stocks in my portfolio?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:41:02 pm
No, it resets per month, the heading is per month "You can pick your shares for the month at any time during the month.The price of the share you pick will be entered into your stock picks at the time and date of picking or, if outside of market hours, when the markets reopen. For this reason it's important to make your choice carefully based on what the markets are doing. It is also possible to pick shares a month in advance but these will only be activated at the first market opportunity in the new month.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:41:56 pm
Heading "Play every month"
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:42:22 pm
At the end of each month your points will be tallied up and the best performing portfolio will be that month's winner. Your points will also be added towards the final GRAND PRIZE. So choose your strategy carefully.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 04:42:52 pm
Patrick is going to ban me for selling the Darkside here.. :'(
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Post by: gcr on April 04, 2016, 04:57:20 pm
OK so based on your responses this is a one hit a month wonder type of competition - research is not a factor whatsoever - but knowledge of how the croupier spins the wheel is important
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 05:10:35 pm
Yes, you playing to win by November, not planing your retirement. :)...play have fun, that's what I will be doing.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 05:12:05 pm
PS. u might not win if you do not take major risk...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2016, 05:13:23 pm
Pucket I am 2nd last...
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 04, 2016, 11:10:44 pm
Okay, let's do this.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2016, 08:20:32 am
Frikkie, the darkside is pasted with KIA every where....
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 05, 2016, 09:31:12 am
I see that.  Sportage not looking too shabby at all.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2016, 10:27:34 am
Ja, Nee, kom ons braai......FFS - THE national leadership of the African National Congress (ANC) on Monday night gave its full backing to President Jacob Zuma
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2016, 12:03:40 pm
Rant R14.99 :'(
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Post by: Luna on April 05, 2016, 01:09:47 pm
If the national assembly can vote not to follow constitutional law... can I and some companies vote not to pay taxes to a government that doesn't follow the law? Doesn't that make withholding taxes technically legal?
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Post by: Orca on April 05, 2016, 01:30:29 pm
The NA cannot vote to not follow the constitution and any talk that they will do so are fabricated rumours.
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Post by: Patrick on April 05, 2016, 02:48:08 pm
15.02 :( but Zuma will go and the rand will celebrate. might only be after the elections now...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2016, 04:33:23 pm
ag frikkie, now I have to play catch up again, come back kid, pos 453 :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 05, 2016, 06:19:30 pm
Zuma. His intelligent reply. He he he. He he he. I ween.
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Post by: gcr on April 05, 2016, 06:56:42 pm
So by the ANC parliamenterians voting against the impeachment of their leader and president merely confirm that they are not in parliament for the people but for their own selfish designs. It also confirms that the constitution is in their minds a worthless piece of paper even though Cyril the squirrel was one of the authors of the document, bit like the NDP just so many words on a sheet of paper with little meaning or intent to be followed through
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Post by: Orca on April 05, 2016, 08:19:08 pm
Not even a total opposition coalition will overthrow this. Total opposition 151. ANC 249.
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Post by: Hamster on April 05, 2016, 09:18:52 pm
Just three more years, just three more years, just three more years...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 06, 2016, 07:01:35 am
3? then?
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Post by: Patrick on April 06, 2016, 08:15:04 am
No chance will he see another 3 more years, if he's not gone soon after the local elections, he'll be gone after the next ANC conference.
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2016, 08:26:55 am
3? then?

Well, then we'll definitely be rid of him. But I agree with Patrick, I doubt he will stick around that long (nevermind seeing end of the year?).

If I had to take a guess, he'll resign after the local elections or something citing fatigue etc. and walk away with full benefits.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 06, 2016, 09:03:40 am
Sorry to be so negative, but Bob has been ruling for how long in Zim?
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Post by: gcr on April 06, 2016, 09:16:18 am
Sorry to be so negative, but Bob has been ruling for how long in Zim?

Our constitution (which the ANC trash at will) stipulates that you may not serve more than 2 terms as president - Mbeki want a third term and tried to have the constitution changed but was thwarted in his attempts.

The real travesty of Zuma continuing is that if he is not impeached he will get all his wonderful pensions and security detail and free flights all over the world.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 06, 2016, 10:25:20 am
RaNt BACK @ r15.26...FfS
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Post by: Patrick on April 06, 2016, 03:00:37 pm
Cry the beloved currency :(
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Post by: Fanus on April 06, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
Anybody see the push from Russia and China to drop the petro dalla? Things are heating up
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Post by: MoneyChief on April 06, 2016, 04:20:40 pm
Sorry to be so negative, but Bob has been ruling for how long in Zim?

Our constitution (which the ANC trash at will) stipulates that you may not serve more than 2 terms as president - Mbeki want a third term and tried to have the constitution changed but was thwarted in his attempts.

The real travesty of Zuma continuing is that if he is not impeached he will get all his wonderful pensions and security detail and free flights all over the world.

In addtion to his R4mil a year salary paid by the taxpayer.
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Post by: czc on April 06, 2016, 04:50:05 pm
29 years
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Post by: Fanus on April 07, 2016, 10:48:16 am
Come on you lovely chickens!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 07, 2016, 04:40:46 pm
How can Oakbay be going up, are u buying and pushing it up Patrick?
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Post by: Patrick on April 07, 2016, 09:30:56 pm
Sorry, I thought I was buying Oakley.
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Post by: Orca on April 07, 2016, 10:20:50 pm
Seems like a red hanger sale on Friday. Hope I am wrong.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 08, 2016, 07:41:22 am
@ P "http://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-you-like-tesla-cars-youll-love-these-high-end-electric-bicycles-2016-04-07"
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Post by: Patrick on April 08, 2016, 08:41:27 am
Yeah thats the guy a bought my frame from :) If budget wasn't an issue I'd buy one of these though: http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/
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Post by: jaDEB on April 08, 2016, 01:05:05 pm
ZZZzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Orca on April 08, 2016, 02:23:59 pm
Gupta and Zuma resign from Oakbay.
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Post by: Patrick on April 08, 2016, 02:36:53 pm
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2016/04/08/Guptas-and-Zuma-son-resign-from-Oakbay-company
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Post by: Patrick on April 08, 2016, 02:38:02 pm
If I was one of the 1000 in that company I would get my CV up to date and start applying asap. The news channel and newspaper can't survive without government help, and it won't be coming in future.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 08, 2016, 02:44:04 pm
it is Oakbay Resources...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 08, 2016, 02:45:52 pm
Oakbay Resources and Energy Ltd. is an investment holding company having a 74% interest in Shiva Uranium (Pty) Ltd. and is Shiva Uranium is a mining and exploration company currently focused on uranium, gold mining and beneficiation.
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Post by: Patrick on April 08, 2016, 03:46:58 pm
ah OK, thanks for pointing that out
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Post by: Patrick on April 08, 2016, 06:12:14 pm
back under R15/$ again
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Post by: jaDEB on April 09, 2016, 07:51:53 am
Rant @ R14.88 :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 10, 2016, 01:37:53 pm
Guptas have fled South Africa. And so the dominoes keep falling for our dear president
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Post by: Patrick on April 11, 2016, 07:54:03 am
I cycle past their estate every morning, there's usually 5 or so security guards hovering around outside, this morning, none. I must say, watching the Zupta's world fall apart is giving me a lot of schadenfreude!
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 11, 2016, 08:33:54 am
What is that word? "Skade" en "vreugde" mixed in one, seker maar direkte vertaling.
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Post by: Hamster on April 11, 2016, 08:45:52 am
What is that word? "Skade" en "vreugde" mixed in one, seker maar direkte vertaling.

"leedvermaak" according to Google translate. Never knew there was a direct translation.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2016, 08:49:02 am
Maybe it is like telling some1 to stick it up their a$$, and they do, and enjoy it.
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Post by: Patrick on April 11, 2016, 09:18:04 am
From Wiki: Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. This word is taken from German and literally means "harm-joy". It is the feeling of joy or pleasure when one sees another fail or suffer misfortune.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 11, 2016, 09:22:16 am
Now we know.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2016, 10:22:45 am
Rant R14,81 :)
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Post by: MoneyChief on April 11, 2016, 12:26:40 pm
It is amazing how similar the rand performs to the Brazilian Real against the USD.

Rand vs USD:
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=ZAR&view=10Y

Brazilian Real vs USD:
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=BRL&view=10Y

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Post by: Orca on April 11, 2016, 02:15:00 pm
The ZAR will follow other EM currencies like Brazil. Local news will have some impact but will not last long. We will follow the trend as long as EM's are in favour. Brazil's downgrade to junk had little economic effect so I would not be concerned about SA downgrade.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2016, 03:34:52 pm
435th out of 835 players :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2016, 04:50:39 pm
164th :)
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Post by: Q on April 11, 2016, 07:34:27 pm
75th
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2016, 06:55:51 am
@ Q, Nice :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 12, 2016, 11:22:05 am
Parliament votes to impeach president: http://time.com/4290176/brazil-congressional-committee-dilma-rousseff-impeachment/ Ok don't get too excited, it's in Brazil, not here!
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Post by: Patrick on April 12, 2016, 11:37:50 am
On another note, ANC Gauteng defies orders and says he must resign: http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2016/04/12/ANC-Gauteng-breaks-ranks-says-Zuma-must-resign-after-Nkandla-ruling
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Post by: Fanus on April 12, 2016, 11:50:41 am
Patrick I find it exctremely unlikely that it's just coincidense that SA & Brazil have impeachement motions against the prezzies at the same time.  Regime change in both countries (almost a diversion tactic for something bigger that's going on)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2016, 12:21:20 pm
Darkside - jaDEB 53 / Q 60 :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2016, 12:44:25 pm
i NEED AcL TO reCoveR TO GET in ThE tOP 10
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 12, 2016, 01:27:24 pm
@Fanus if it is the illuminati than I say go illuminati!!! Illuminati for the win!
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Post by: Fanus on April 12, 2016, 02:15:54 pm
I can only say go after Zuma if parliament is willing to overhaul itself.  Another pupped on the gravy train isn't going to help anybody.  What happened to tenderboy's SARS tax bill?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2016, 03:24:48 pm
Frikkie, I is 28th ... magtig :)
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Post by: Q on April 12, 2016, 03:33:14 pm
Awesome
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Post by: vangend on April 13, 2016, 06:09:44 am
DB X-TRACKERS
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 09:31:47 am
13th :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 10:08:21 am
Mr Bond ?
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Post by: Hamster on April 13, 2016, 11:20:58 am
288th in Investor Challenge...and only myself to blame  :wall:

All my holdings are in the positive but I'm still 2% down. Why? Because of costs.
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Post by: Snapcase on April 13, 2016, 11:26:32 am
maqs, top of the log anyway and hasn't even used the last 2 months instalments...lol
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2016, 11:31:09 am
Don't be too hard on yourself Hamster, it's not actually the costs, well not entirely, it's more because of your curro deal.
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2016, 11:35:58 am
So we're sending money out, but foreigners now want to send money in: http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/investors-return-to-sa-as-etf-short-positions-pruned-20160413-2
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 11:55:17 am
Mr Bond !!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 12:00:42 pm
Some good news "A South African lion called "Sylvester" that twice broke out of his reserve - probably to escape threatening older males - will be sent to bond with two lionesses and learn how to become a dominant male."
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Post by: Hamster on April 13, 2016, 12:04:35 pm
Don't be too hard on yourself Hamster, it's not actually the costs, well not entirely, it's more because of your curro deal.

True. But I bought and sold a lot more than I ever do. Just not my "thing" to trade. Buy and hold....always buy and hold :D
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 12:44:26 pm
Patrick, my screen is not working again. Who is 1st and 2nd?
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 13, 2016, 12:54:44 pm
Some good news "A South African lion called "Sylvester" that twice broke out of his reserve - probably to escape threatening older males - will be sent to bond with two lionesses and learn how to become a dominant male."

Adrian!!!  (That actually makes me very sad when somebody has to teach the beast to be alpha.)  :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 13, 2016, 12:55:08 pm
Well done jaDEB!
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Post by: Snapcase on April 13, 2016, 01:17:50 pm
does everyone have to sell at the end of the year?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 01:26:14 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2016, 01:55:22 pm
Well done j. I actually record everyone's totals at month end, it would be interesting to chart it. You'd be all over the show! Maybe one night when I'm bored I'll work on it.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 01:57:23 pm
Correct I is up then down, up then down. Same as last year :).
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2016, 01:58:48 pm
Did a quick check, from second last in Feb to second today!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 02:11:43 pm
:) LON & KIO and I do not have them in real life, but have BIL up
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 02:12:11 pm
Talking cra@p I have LON small qty :)
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Post by: Fanus on April 13, 2016, 02:59:50 pm
Welcome back to the top jaDEB. It's a miracle how you do it
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Post by: Q on April 13, 2016, 04:49:49 pm
ZAR 14.53
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 05:14:39 pm
BIL up 7% :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 07:09:11 pm
jaDEB, the Sanlam Itrade is starting 4th May
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2016, 09:54:38 pm
lol
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Post by: jaDEB on April 14, 2016, 07:06:00 am
Sorry, sometime I talk to myself, then we laugh about it.. :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 14, 2016, 09:03:28 am
Ja boet.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 14, 2016, 05:45:23 pm
13th :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on April 15, 2016, 07:07:23 am
I can picture the JaDeb household. Dry bread for a couple of days. Then only the best Kobe beef flown in from Japan. Then back to dry bread... :) Me. It's mince every day ...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 15, 2016, 07:21:25 am
lol, no, baked beans on toast most of the time... :)
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Post by: Hamster on April 15, 2016, 08:24:01 am
lol, no, baked beans on toast most of the time... :)

Dude, the carbs....


 :whistle:
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Post by: jaDEB on April 15, 2016, 09:06:30 am
:) help to keep the wife at a distance
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Post by: jaDEB on April 15, 2016, 01:10:31 pm
Frikkie, dropping like a stone. bragged to much u chop !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 15, 2016, 02:46:16 pm
Darkside "Point allocation: All players who finish the month with a positive return qualify for points. The points allocated to the winner equals the amount of players who finished in the positive for the month. The second placed challenger will receive 1 less point and so it continues until the last positive placed participant receives 1 point for the month."
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 07:20:25 am
Frikkie says morning... :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2016, 07:53:48 am
No Doha agreement reached on freezing oil output. Oil tumbles.
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2016, 08:21:32 am
Oh dear, the Rand isn't going to like that.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 08:42:32 am
Mr Bond, does my OCE like strong or weak rand?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2016, 02:04:08 pm
Vodafone Group Plc’s South African unit is considering a bid for unprofitable state-owned Internet company Broadband Infraco, as the government works toward the privatization of some assets to boost the country’s finances.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-18/vodafone-unit-mulls-bid-for-south-africa-state-broadband-company-in5tb1wu
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 02:21:57 pm
Bought Coca Cola in the Itrade practise before comp starts 4th may.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 02:25:09 pm
18th on darkside :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 02:29:51 pm
Any1 else doing sharenet hot picks and/or Sanlam Itrade?
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Post by: marguerittereed on April 18, 2016, 03:20:49 pm
Yes, I am doing both
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 04:01:51 pm
Have you bought on Itrade, the US shares?
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2016, 05:30:44 pm
So I thought the rand would be punished, but it seems I was wrong, R14.49. As if I needed another nail in the "I can't trade" coffin.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 05:34:02 pm
Why would the rant be punished?
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2016, 05:36:24 pm
Lately it's been tied to the oil price. Oil dropped plenty, so I expected the rond to do the same.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2016, 05:59:35 pm
understood
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2016, 05:59:58 pm
It may seem strange, but the developed world is looking for, needs, a higher oil price.
U.S. now produces far more oil than thirty or forty years ago, and tough times for the energy sector could easily cause problems in US in banking and elsewhere. The thought of any weakness in the U.S., which has been the leader of the recovery, is pretty scary to the rest of the world, and continued falls in oil will hurt the emerging economies that export the commodity. Europe also needs a higher price to prevent a deflationary scenario really taking hold.
Food for thought ?
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Post by: Orca on April 19, 2016, 07:44:02 am
ZAR back to pre Nenegate value.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 19, 2016, 07:44:12 am
Naspers, Will change presentation currency in its consolidated financial statements from south african rand to united states dollar from fy ended on 31 march 2016
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Post by: Patrick on April 19, 2016, 07:53:52 am
@Orca, it is, but I still think it would be a rand lower considering all the rate hikes etc if Nenegate never happened.
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Post by: marguerittereed on April 19, 2016, 09:58:05 am
JADEB - bought shares on Friday. Very different, like the trading platform, very informative.
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Post by: Orca on April 19, 2016, 10:30:13 am
Hypothetically, the ZAR was Zumafied by R2.34 so we should be at R12.00 to the USD now.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 19, 2016, 02:24:22 pm
Trump accidentally says 7-Eleven instead of 9/11! LOL!!!!
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 19, 2016, 03:06:07 pm
Ouch
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Post by: Orca on April 19, 2016, 06:23:05 pm
Can you believe. We have had 7 days of no rain since Jan 01. I have seen the sun on 4 occasions. This sucks as we are stuck at home with no car. The rain is torrential and I suspect the hills will come sliding down on us.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 19, 2016, 06:43:20 pm
sorry to hear Orca, hope all is ok
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Post by: Patrick on April 19, 2016, 07:19:12 pm
can you send some water our way. my mom's place in umdloti still has no water between 9am and 4pm every day...
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Post by: Orca on April 19, 2016, 07:39:42 pm
We OK jaDEB. Sorry P. No chance. I will update my "blog" soon as much has happened.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 20, 2016, 12:36:06 pm
NPN :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 20, 2016, 12:50:07 pm
R14.20
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Post by: jaDEB on April 20, 2016, 12:51:44 pm
jA ITS HuRtiNg MY nPn :'(
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Post by: czc on April 20, 2016, 08:06:38 pm
Why didn't the indi come down more if naspers makes up so much of it?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2016, 08:32:48 am
Gold 1258 / Plat 1028 :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2016, 08:42:41 am
Oil 44.34 :)
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Post by: Nivek on April 21, 2016, 09:19:47 am
So where will the rand be at year end?
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Post by: Orca on April 21, 2016, 11:09:21 am
Still in South Africa
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2016, 11:23:06 am
i THINKS r13.5/R13.8
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Post by: Orca on April 21, 2016, 12:32:33 pm
At least the ZAR averted landing up in Zumbabwe.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2016, 12:35:22 pm
Resources turning :'(
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Post by: Orca on April 21, 2016, 12:45:26 pm
The Southern African swallows arrived here today despite the rain. One day later than last year. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2016, 12:46:41 pm
oNE of them has my wallet, get it PleaSE
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Post by: Patrick on April 21, 2016, 12:56:44 pm
I think it depends on who's in charge at the end of the year. If Zuma goes before year end I'd vote for R13.26 since I think he's responsible for R1 to the $.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2016, 07:01:17 am
Nooit Prince died :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2016, 03:28:32 pm
Is 4th on Darkside... :) hold thumbs
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Post by: Patrick on April 22, 2016, 03:55:25 pm
What's the prize if you stay in fourth?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 22, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
nothing, only from 3rd u get 5000
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 25, 2016, 09:32:33 am
"Is R300 000 in fees over 5 years fair for a R1.9m investment? Nedbank financial advisor says it is"...Of course he would say that. It's where his salary comes from. I like Moneyweb but sometimes...
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Post by: czc on April 25, 2016, 09:48:48 am
@Fawkes I saw that this morning and thought yikes! This one as well http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/impact-fees-retirement-planning/
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Post by: Patrick on April 25, 2016, 10:47:13 am
Work out those fees over 20 years for a real shocker, I'd be willing to be the fees are higher than the investment returns.
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Post by: Broke(r) on April 25, 2016, 10:55:57 am
@Fawkes I saw that this morning and thought yikes! This one as well http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/impact-fees-retirement-planning/

Sobering stuff... and that from a supposed 'best in industry' player...
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Post by: Patrick on April 26, 2016, 08:19:13 am
I see Moneyweb has removed this link: http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/impact-fees-retirement-planning/ Wonders if their sponsors we're a little upset...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 26, 2016, 08:20:18 am
Why, why...share holders lose 30% and he smiles, why why South Africa's MTN pays former CEO $1.6 million after resigning over Nigeria fine
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Post by: Hamster on April 26, 2016, 08:29:45 am
I see Moneyweb has removed this link: http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/impact-fees-retirement-planning/ Wonders if their sponsors we're a little upset...

If that is true it really does say something about their bias/credibility. (as if the weekly see-sawing of analysts on emerging markets, the Rand and economy isn't enough).
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Post by: Hamster on April 26, 2016, 08:33:45 am
Asked them. Let's see what happens :D
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 26, 2016, 09:11:24 am
Well considering that Moneyweb Holdings Ltd has been running at a huge loss since forever I guess they have to keep their sponsors happy. Beggars can't be...unbiased
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Post by: Snapcase on April 26, 2016, 09:54:32 am
They just moved it http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-opinion/columnists/r300-000-costs-fees-5-years-fair-r1-9m-investment/
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Post by: Hamster on April 26, 2016, 09:59:37 am
Not the same article. Here's the cached one: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BCInBUO4wHcJ:www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-financial-planning/impact-fees-retirement-planning/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=za
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Post by: Snapcase on April 26, 2016, 10:29:21 am
Ah fair enough, my apologies.  
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Post by: Patrick on April 26, 2016, 11:27:52 am
I guess there was a lot of money at stake, in the example with fees the investor only got R19m after 40 years, without fees it was R41m! So the provider stood to lose out R22m from just one individual...
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Post by: gcr on April 26, 2016, 01:35:22 pm
This whole saga with fees is not new - if you had what they euphemistically "old order" R.A.s' the same approach was adopted - the fees (and the insurance companies) ran away with a large chunk of your retirement funds. Also they used to charge additional fees when you extended the life of the RA which you could do in 5 year cycles to age 70. Mine I extended twice and each time the fees went up which eroded any capital gains. At age 65 I converted to a LA but not with the insurance company but a competitor and I railed about their poor performance and ethics and they ultimately transferred my LA without levying any transfer fees.
Since that day I have purged myself of any dealing with the main insurance business - no more big greens for me thanks
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 27, 2016, 03:39:00 am
I guess there was a lot of money at stake, in the example with fees the investor only got R19m after 40 years, without fees it was R41m! So the provider stood to lose out R22m from just one individual...

That's mind-blowingly insane. So in other words they take more in fees than they give you in returns?
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Post by: Orca on April 27, 2016, 08:25:00 pm
Read that the 14+ area for the ZAR will have strong resistance but breaking this we could see 11.5
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Post by: Hamster on April 28, 2016, 05:11:41 am
Am I reading this correctly:

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/the-decline-of-the-rand-is-likely-to-continue-20160426?isapp=true

shared via News24

This company reckons the MSCI World Index (DBXWD) will fall to R14?!

I can't keep up with which way people are predicting the Rand/economy will go :( :p
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2016, 08:09:44 am
Commodities doing nicy :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2016, 08:10:16 am
Apple not doing nicy :'(
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Post by: Patrick on April 28, 2016, 08:50:26 am
All the experts giving differnt predictions for the rand. I think we need commodities to recover a fair amount and a new president before we'll see the 12's again, but if history is anything to go by, I know nothing!
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Post by: Samurai on April 28, 2016, 08:58:48 am
I think and pray that our hopes should rather be on commodities, politics is just show business for fat and ugly people.
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Post by: Samurai on April 28, 2016, 08:59:48 am
Shite reading what I just shouted, I should go into politics then :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 28, 2016, 09:03:30 am
Haha
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Post by: Q on April 28, 2016, 11:08:03 am
Anglo American raised $1.5 billion selling 2 mining businesses to China
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Post by: Patrick on April 28, 2016, 11:44:26 am
The High Court in Pretoria is expected to rule on Friday on the DA's application to have the decision to drop corruption charges against President Jacob Zuma reviewed.  The party said in a tweet that judgment would be handed down at 10:00.
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2016, 04:38:10 pm
DIVTRX's market cap was stuck at R40m for months and over the past few weeks it has more than doubled.
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Post by: Samurai on April 28, 2016, 05:42:59 pm
Okay to the opening of mall of africa seems like a huge success, why did Attacq close 2.12% lower?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 28, 2016, 05:50:31 pm
Darkside, No1 (40,61%), No2 (39,94%).No3(39.25%).No4(39.19%).No5(39.15%), jaDEB 38.75%..hold thumbs please
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2016, 06:51:41 pm
Attacq's new development was priced in and traders took profits.
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Post by: Samurai on April 28, 2016, 08:24:30 pm
Thanks Orca, you think it can be a value share if one take a 10 year viewpoint?
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Post by: Orca on April 29, 2016, 10:03:05 am
I am not a fan of real estate as they are too cyclical. It averages 8% pa and PE is over 50.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 29, 2016, 11:06:11 am
So what you guys think the ruling would be? I'm betting my  FDP shares on Zuma escaping again
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2016, 11:24:37 am
Me things he will resign...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2016, 11:28:04 am
President Jacob Zuma says leaders should humble themselves when the people no longer want them to be in charge.
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2016, 11:28:15 am
Decision to drop Zuma corruption charges irrational - Judge
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2016, 11:28:45 am
He won't go anywhere unless ANC offers him amnesty from future prosecution.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 29, 2016, 11:33:14 am
Oh well. There goes my FDP shares. Happy to lose that bet.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2016, 11:37:32 am
Buy him a ticket " SpaceX plans to send an unmanned Dragon spacecraft to Mars as early as 2018, the company said on Wednesday, a first step in achieving founder Elon Musk’s goal to fly people to another planet"
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Post by: jaDEB on April 29, 2016, 11:57:48 am
Rant R14.17 ...
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Post by: Hamster on April 29, 2016, 12:20:08 pm
DBXWD besig om sy gat te sien  :wall:
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2016, 02:07:26 pm
How glad am I that I didn't move from DIVTRX to DBXWD in January, DIVTRX gained 31% compared... http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=Fund&symb=ZA%3ADIVTRX&x=45&y=17&time=19&startdate=1%2F1%2F1996&enddate=1%2F1%2F1999&freq=2&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=ZA%3ADBXWD&comp=ZA%3ADBXWD&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=262144&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=64&style=370&size=4&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=15
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Post by: Orca on April 29, 2016, 02:32:12 pm
My calculated risk to stay in EM's paid off but for how long? ZAR struggling to break through 14.160.
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Post by: BussoV6 on April 29, 2016, 03:43:35 pm
DIVTRX's market cap was stuck at R40m for months and over the past few weeks it has more than doubled.

Yes, I bought a few...  ;D
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Post by: Hamster on April 29, 2016, 06:24:13 pm
DIVTRX's market cap was stuck at R40m for months and over the past few weeks it has more than doubled.

Yes, I bought a few...  ;D
ditto
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 09:58:03 am
ended 5th on the Darkside :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 03, 2016, 10:13:59 am
Not bad, for your effort I'll give you R100 000. Virtually :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 10:15:36 am
Allready used it, I sleep at home :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 03, 2016, 11:12:20 am
You did good jD.
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Post by: Maurice on May 03, 2016, 12:12:10 pm
ntc
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 12:24:15 pm
Thanks MP :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 02:17:07 pm
See Frikkie is at the JSE today....bastard
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Post by: Q on May 03, 2016, 02:34:54 pm
Frikkie was in Austalia this morning
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Post by: Samurai on May 03, 2016, 03:22:24 pm
RMB buiying 25% of Attacq?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 03:39:28 pm
Sanlam Itrade rules.... none?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2016, 04:12:27 pm
Now Frikkie is in the US ... :'(
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Post by: Q on May 03, 2016, 04:39:38 pm
ZAR 14.61
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Post by: Q on May 03, 2016, 04:40:11 pm
JSE -1.8%
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Post by: Orca on May 03, 2016, 05:40:28 pm
Now don't rush to buy USD stocks as this 2%+ decline is nothing unusual during it's bull run this year.
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Post by: Snapcase on May 03, 2016, 06:01:01 pm
Damn, wasn't expecting that dramatic drop towards close
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Post by: Samurai on May 03, 2016, 08:08:39 pm
Not a good day today, May day blues?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 04, 2016, 07:20:07 am
May the 4th be with you today... :)
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Post by: TheKwok on May 04, 2016, 08:57:17 am
Look out for Revenge of the Fifth tomorrow :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 04, 2016, 09:03:42 am
:)
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Post by: Samurai on May 04, 2016, 11:43:11 am
Also not a good day.
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Post by: gcr on May 04, 2016, 01:17:48 pm
I see on sharenet that JaDEB - did rather well on the April winners list - well done, and keep going
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Post by: Samurai on May 04, 2016, 02:13:22 pm
See South32 CEO will host presentation today.
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Post by: Samurai on May 04, 2016, 02:13:43 pm
OLD getting a little stronger.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 04, 2016, 03:07:30 pm
@ Graham.Thanks, but getting hammered now. But will keep trying, I want that KIA .. !!!
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Post by: Orca on May 04, 2016, 05:36:54 pm
Possibility of a FED rate hike soon sends ZAR down.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2016, 01:50:40 pm
gETtiNg mY a$$ hAnDed tO ME on THe daRKsiDE .. :(
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Post by: Q on May 05, 2016, 02:46:53 pm
jaDEB check your mail
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2016, 03:37:57 pm
Done
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2016, 03:45:06 pm
Q-Please remeber you not allowed to short.
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Post by: Q on May 05, 2016, 03:51:40 pm
Dankie
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Post by: Samurai on May 05, 2016, 04:23:18 pm
South32 up by over 3% today and who said resources are a sinking ship.
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Post by: Samurai on May 05, 2016, 04:23:54 pm
DRD 8% wow did not see this coming. I missed this boat.
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Post by: Samurai on May 05, 2016, 05:17:59 pm
Whats the rumour on Old Mutual going to give shareholders Nedbank shares?
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 01:44:13 pm
What time are the employment figures coming out?
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 01:50:23 pm
UK time 13.30 or 14.30 SA time and expected to show 202,000 jobs were created in April, fewer than the 215,000 created in March.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 06, 2016, 02:28:05 pm
mmm, see you also talk to yourselve, we laugh about it together...
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 02:38:33 pm
Yip. No one else here today and still raining.
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 02:41:48 pm
Nonfarm payrolls increased by 160,000 last month, far below the 202,000 that economists polled by Reuters had forecast on average. Good for ZAR but bad for stocks.
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Post by: gcr on May 06, 2016, 03:58:52 pm
Well the Rand just took a dive to 15.08/$ and 17.216 to the Euro and shares down about 1% - been a bitch of a week for shares
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Post by: Samurai on May 06, 2016, 04:03:10 pm
Sell in May and go away.
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Post by: Q on May 06, 2016, 04:12:09 pm
jaDEB if u kept LON this comp would be over
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 05:01:02 pm
Stocks unfazed and the $ gaining after poor NFP ????
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 06:59:46 pm
I used to and would have made big bucks with this one. Trade after the knee jerk is over and go the opposite direction for 4 hours.
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2016, 07:52:08 pm
I'm sure you can PM me but before you do so read my signiture.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 07, 2016, 01:58:32 pm
The Treasury was responding to Moody’s announcement late Friday that it was maintaining SouthAfrica‘s investment-grade rating while assigning a negative outlook to it.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Press-Statement-Moodys-ratings.pdf?c1ab40
Moody’s said that it had now concluded a ratings review it launched on March 8.
“The confirmation of South Africa‘s ratings reflects Moody’s view that the country is likely approaching a turning point after several years of falling growth … and that recent political developments, while disruptive, testify to the underlying strength of South Africa‘s institutions,” Moody’s said.
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Post by: Hingsding on May 08, 2016, 10:05:55 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on May 09, 2016, 07:24:04 am
@ Q, :)...
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Post by: jaDEB on May 09, 2016, 09:41:05 am
dARKSIDE 820 TH :(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 09, 2016, 09:47:36 am
@jaDEB... pathetic, pathetic...loser ... L
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Post by: Patrick on May 09, 2016, 02:21:14 pm
I thought Friday's news would be good news for the Rand today...
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Post by: Moonraker on May 09, 2016, 02:43:12 pm
Well, several factors. China had poor trade figures over the weekend with imports (and exports) down, plus huge stockpiles of iron ore at their ports. This weighed on all base commodity prices like iron ore, nickel, zinc and copper. As a result, ZA being a commodity exporter, the Rand weakened. Second reason, despite weaker than expected job numbers in the US, components of the jobs market are quite strong - wages are rising. Also 2 FED governors are thinking along the lines of 2 rate increases this year with June for the first back in contention. This also weighed on EM currencies.
Last but not least, Moody's did keep our rating but changed the outlook from stable to negative. Does this answer sit well with you Patrick ?
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Post by: gcr on May 09, 2016, 04:06:35 pm
There is also the issue of falling employment number in this country - down +/- 500,000 jobs in the first quarter - to put it into perspective that is 5 stadia of Soccer City size filled to capacity 
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Post by: Patrick on May 10, 2016, 07:51:14 am
Yes that makes sense. So basically the news wasn't actually that good from moody's and was totally drowned out by other pretty bad news!
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Post by: Orca on May 10, 2016, 08:23:50 pm
Seems like the ZAR is determined to gain despite all.
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Post by: Orca on May 10, 2016, 10:35:51 pm
Thin trades makes ZAR very volatile. Most I've seen it.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2016, 08:03:17 am
My prize in the Darkside is 1 years sub for sharenet :) ...
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2016, 08:03:32 am
was 5th last month
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 11, 2016, 09:40:40 am
You are definitely moving in the right direction lately jD.  :TU:
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Post by: Q on May 11, 2016, 11:47:01 am
Congrats jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2016, 01:54:07 pm
:), but getting my a$$ handed to me this month
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Post by: Fawkes85 on May 11, 2016, 02:06:27 pm
South Africa's economy has now even been overtaken by Egypt and is now only the third largest economy in Africa. It is really a testament to the complete and utter incompetence of the ANC and their running of our economy that we have been overtaken by Nigeria, one of the most corrupt countries in the world that also has to deal with Boko Haram and MEND, and Egypt, which has been in complete and utter anarchy since the ouster of Mubarak. Guess that's what happens when you put a communist in charge of industry and have a president...well.

http://www.iol.co.za/business/news/african-economies-sa-slips-to-bronze-2020336
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Post by: Nivek on May 11, 2016, 02:21:15 pm
Better go check how far behind the 4th place is, as unless leadership changes soon we could be heading there.
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Post by: Orca on May 11, 2016, 07:11:20 pm
Still raining here. ZAR is getting me sea sick now.
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Post by: Samurai on May 12, 2016, 10:06:24 am
Will South32 shares be available in this challenge?
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Post by: Q on May 12, 2016, 10:25:39 am
Q = 2nd Sanlam Itrade Competition
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Post by: Q on May 12, 2016, 10:25:55 am
https://www.sanlamitrade.co.za/iTradeMoneywebChallenge.aspx
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Post by: jaDEB on May 12, 2016, 10:35:51 am
:) well done
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Post by: Q on May 12, 2016, 10:48:13 am
Thanks jaDEB,  I'm just keeping this place warm for u :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2016, 11:57:54 am
@samurai, it depends on the trade frequency. More than 15 trades a day is the min criteria.
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Post by: Samurai on May 12, 2016, 03:06:56 pm
Thanks Patrick, yes they average more than 100 trades a day.
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Post by: Q on May 12, 2016, 04:28:10 pm
AAPL Tumbles After Report Of 70-80% Plunge In iPhone Chip Shipments
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2016, 04:51:28 pm
Ok, I'll add them
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Post by: Q on May 12, 2016, 05:08:07 pm
Google Tops Apple As Largest Company In America
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2016, 05:32:13 pm
Ok, south 32 is there.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 12, 2016, 05:34:18 pm
OCE Results look good :) my fishies
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Post by: Samurai on May 12, 2016, 06:01:56 pm
Thanks Patrick.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 13, 2016, 08:40:53 am
Today is Friday 13th, Frikkie Kruger's day :'(
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Post by: Q on May 13, 2016, 12:21:43 pm
Q is 1st in Sanlam iTrade Competition HIP HIP HOORAY
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Post by: Q on May 13, 2016, 12:21:51 pm
https://www.sanlamitrade.co.za/iTradeMoneywebChallenge.aspx
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Post by: jaDEB on May 13, 2016, 12:31:08 pm
Nice, awesome ........ stay there !!!
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Post by: Orca on May 13, 2016, 12:59:54 pm
The top ANC members told the Mail & Guardian that they had been secretly working on an "exit strategy" for Zuma who now says he is willing to step down to protect the integrity of the ANC.
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Post by: gcr on May 13, 2016, 06:41:44 pm
Well the way the Rand tanked today 28 cents versus yesterday - Zuma must have told them he would not step down
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Post by: Nivek on May 15, 2016, 10:53:55 am
Sunday times reporting that the hawks plan to arrest Gordhan. HKGK...
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Post by: czc on May 15, 2016, 11:04:35 am
WTH hawks!
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Post by: Orca on May 15, 2016, 10:32:33 pm
So the ZAR and stocks will tank on Monday as it did in December when the Hawks hit on Pravin.
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Post by: Patrick on May 16, 2016, 09:05:38 am
So on Friday trades of NEWUSD were 10 x higher than the average. Is there any way to find out who the main buyer was?
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Post by: Snapcase on May 16, 2016, 12:15:16 pm
Woah Lonmin!!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2016, 12:20:00 pm
:)
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Post by: pkjabz on May 16, 2016, 12:56:45 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2016, 01:14:13 pm
and AGL
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Post by: Moonraker on May 16, 2016, 01:47:36 pm
What have we here ?
Zuma’s government working with British military to stay in power.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2016/05/16/Zuma’s-government-working-with-British-military-to-stay-in-power-report

Have not read the report due to connection problems here, but sounds like BS.
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Post by: Q on May 16, 2016, 01:59:05 pm
Warren Buffet Buys $1 Billion worth of Apple Stock
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Post by: Q on May 16, 2016, 01:59:39 pm
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/exclusive-the-british-armys-secret-plan-to-prop-up-south-africas-ruling-party
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Post by: gcr on May 16, 2016, 02:56:49 pm
Warren Buffet Buys $1 Billion worth of Apple Stock
So its true - an apple a day keeps the doctor at bay - he will probably live to + 100
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Post by: Q on May 16, 2016, 03:12:30 pm
USDZAR 15.70
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Post by: Nivek on May 16, 2016, 03:26:45 pm
Ridiculous :(
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Post by: czc on May 16, 2016, 06:54:00 pm
hmm, I thought Mr Buffet was anti tech
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Post by: Orca on May 16, 2016, 10:07:45 pm
A book will be written about Zuma, the Gupta's and the Hawks about their second attempt to hijack the SARB. Perhaps a movie as well.
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Post by: gcr on May 16, 2016, 10:34:56 pm
A book will be written about Zuma, the Gupta's and the Hawks about their second attempt to hijack the SARB. Perhaps a movie as well.
If they bring out the movie soon they can give the main parts to all the real people on their way to jail.
I suspect tax evasion will be the undoing of Zuma and the Gupta's could be had up for currency violations (Zuma as well)
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Post by: Patrick on May 17, 2016, 08:11:46 am
Anyone have a clue why BBET40 hasn't updated prices since 6 May. Not just here, everwhere.
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Post by: Patrick on May 17, 2016, 08:18:39 am
Nevermind, I see it's now called the Coreshares EWT40: CSEW40
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 17, 2016, 08:26:11 am
Talking to yourself again -  occupational hazard on this forum, ask JaDEB and O. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 17, 2016, 08:45:08 am
Noting wrong with talking to self. Keeps the voices in the head busy :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 17, 2016, 08:52:43 am
At least one is entertained. :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 17, 2016, 10:47:03 am
I'm a very good listener :)
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Post by: Remzozo on May 17, 2016, 01:06:36 pm
stanlib
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Post by: Orca on May 17, 2016, 02:58:28 pm
It is safer to walk about Mannenburg at night than be in Parliament.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 17, 2016, 03:23:09 pm
CML slapping me senseless. :(
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Post by: Patrick on May 18, 2016, 09:00:57 am
Investing or trading it MP?
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 18, 2016, 09:22:33 am
Investing, still thinking they will be fine long term.
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Post by: Patrick on May 18, 2016, 09:43:09 am
CML magnifies the market. So I think they will be fine long term, provided South Africa is. Right now it looks like JZ is going all in. He'll either wreck us and make a few billion, or lose his job and possibly be charged. If the latter, then I would expect CML to be just fine.
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Post by: Orca on May 18, 2016, 10:20:02 am
Most stocks are very turbulent and CML is no different.
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Post by: Q on May 18, 2016, 11:29:39 am
USDZAR 15.85
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Post by: Fawkes85 on May 18, 2016, 02:43:13 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/coronations-earnings-battered-market-volatility-client-outflows/
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Post by: Orca on May 18, 2016, 05:04:41 pm
Two days no rain.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 19, 2016, 08:29:23 am
orca - you promised an update on your blog...
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 19, 2016, 08:33:19 am
Yes O, WTH?
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Post by: Moonraker on May 19, 2016, 08:51:48 am
Commodities should be down today as FED minutes show rate increase in June is possible - up from around 12% to 30% probability.
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Post by: czc on May 19, 2016, 04:45:54 pm
MPC announced interest rates unchanged
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Post by: rjthomas on May 21, 2016, 08:36:17 pm
Why can't I find Sovereign Foods on the Investor Challenge? They produce chicken in Eastern Cape.
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Post by: brad on May 21, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
@rjthomas Sovereign foods trade most days less than 15 trades a day.
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2016, 10:39:03 am
And there we have the expected NPA appeal. Wonder how long it will take to see if the court will allow it or not... In the case of Oscar, it took about 3 months for him to be denied, which means nothing happens until after elections. I imagine if the ANC gets slaughtered in the elections, and is denied leave to appeal then we'll see some action from Luthuli house.
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Post by: gcr on May 23, 2016, 12:36:07 pm
Well I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for some action from Luthuli House - the entire ANC party are only adroit at handing out food parcels at election time, but have little evidence of ever landing projects which they have set in motion unless it is particularly skewed on racial lines and denial or dispossession.
Currently the ANC is a bit like the Post Office - nobody knows what they are doing and in most cases the population actually doesn't care less whether they exist/survive or perish, because they add very little value
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Post by: Q on May 23, 2016, 03:38:33 pm
Deutsche Bank: sell in May and don't come back at all this year
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Post by: investing4wealth on May 25, 2016, 09:27:32 am
maximum retirement annuity
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Post by: Patrick on May 25, 2016, 09:46:08 am
27.5%, but I guess you were looking for the search bar. That's further down!
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 25, 2016, 09:54:06 am
Is that a google search or site search P?  Both, oh cool.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on May 25, 2016, 03:11:53 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/sarb-hits-capitec-deutsche-bank-sa-combined-r25-million-fine/
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Post by: Nivek on May 26, 2016, 12:50:02 pm
Where is jaDEB with his daily updates?
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 26, 2016, 02:54:32 pm
Don't be invisible jaDEB  :)
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Post by: Orca on May 26, 2016, 08:29:57 pm
I hate it when people stop posting. I have acute medical problems now so will post a short note every day if I can.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 26, 2016, 11:30:44 pm
No, sorry. will be up and running from Tuesday or so :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 27, 2016, 08:24:51 am
See you then :)  Sorry guys, I'm off to Drakensberg for hubby's birthday weekend celebrations.  ;)
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Post by: Orca on May 27, 2016, 01:01:18 pm
More rain again.
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Post by: czc on May 27, 2016, 02:14:51 pm
Rain is good? All this drought and American imports killed my Astral
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Post by: Moonraker on May 29, 2016, 08:58:14 am
Patrick, kindly add SRE (Sirius) to the LDT tables. Div. = 22.54161cps LDT = 9-6-2016. Thanks.
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Post by: gcr on May 30, 2016, 10:43:59 am
Hi Patrick - my portfolio took a massive knock this am - due to the split in the Bidvest holdings that are in my portfolio - you need to include the food component - the codes are BID and BVT, the former being the new shares - issued in the ratio 1:1
Thanks
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Post by: Moonraker on May 30, 2016, 10:49:56 am
@gcr I think you may have to wait till tomorrow when the apportionment of costs are announced.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 30, 2016, 04:32:10 pm
Q?
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Post by: Patrick on May 31, 2016, 09:39:57 am
@gcr, how's your bidvest looking now?
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 31, 2016, 10:33:02 am
Looks like the -67.99% vanished.
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2016, 03:29:44 pm
Patrick - much better thank you
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Post by: Moonraker on May 31, 2016, 05:46:29 pm
OK, the BVT BID apportionment ratios are out on SENS.
You will need to amend gcr's cost prices accordingly.
BVT cost = R38113
BID cost = R97734
Total = original cost = R135847

Apportionment ratio

   Pursuant to the Binding Class Ruling obtained, Shareholders are hereby advised that the
   expenditure and market value, as the case may be, of their Bidvest ordinary shares as
   referred to above must be apportioned in the ratio of 28.05585% to a Bidvest ordinary
   share held after the Unbundling and 71.94415% to an unbundled BidCorp ordinary share
   (“Apportionment Ratios”).

   The Apportionment Ratios are based on the closing price of R 118.55 per Bidvest share
   and R 304.00 per BidCorp share on May 30 2016 being the Unbundling date.
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2016, 08:03:49 am
That's quite a mouthfull of a SENS! I'll see if I can write another script.
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Post by: Snapcase on June 01, 2016, 01:29:23 pm
Woah, whats up with DepeshA?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2016, 01:34:44 pm
lol, I was wondering as well ....
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Post by: bushwakka on June 01, 2016, 02:37:26 pm
Multiple sales of same investment
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2016, 03:04:33 pm
Ffs Frikkie
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Post by: czc on June 01, 2016, 06:48:32 pm
@Patrick you have a rebuttal to rebut, http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/820920-Unit-trusts-Etf-s?p=17717218&viewfull=1#post17717218
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2016, 08:02:06 pm
Lol, I'll head there later. he's right though, technically, but satrix and sygnia are the exception to the rule. In 99% of the cases, a unit trust is terrible in comparison to an ETF.
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Post by: brad on June 01, 2016, 09:32:11 pm
@Patrick can you see the problem with DepeshA entries?
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Post by: Patrick on June 02, 2016, 08:36:12 am
Thanks brad, seems there were duplicate transactions weirdly 20 seconds apart. They've been reversed.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 02, 2016, 03:32:36 pm
Agg Frikkie, here we go again !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2016, 10:19:55 am
JOHANNESBURG, June 3 (Reuters) - Activity in South Africa's private sector expanded in May for the first time in a year, a survey showed on Friday, as new orders and exports grew even though the subdued economic climate continued to curb output :)
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Post by: Orca on June 03, 2016, 11:00:29 am
D-Day has arrived and I am not concerned at all.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2016, 11:19:13 am
Yes, that is cause you live if atlantis... :)
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Post by: gcr on June 03, 2016, 12:09:32 pm
The market nor the Rand/dollar rate has not moved significantly this week - since the market is all knowing, surely the downgrade has been avoided until December - anyway that's how I see it now
Oh - and just as an aside - I have put orders on to buy certain shares in case there is a significant drop in the market
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2016, 01:45:54 pm
hOPE NoNE is MY ShARes  :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 03, 2016, 02:56:46 pm
Rant R15.35 ...
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2016, 04:45:44 pm
I'm also holding a little cash at the moment, just in case there are bargains to be had. looks like that won't be the case though.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 03, 2016, 05:51:56 pm
S&P affirms SA’s rating, keeps outlook negative
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Post by: Hamster on June 03, 2016, 06:06:23 pm
Positive news

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Post by: Orca on June 03, 2016, 06:12:03 pm
A few clicks on my mouse would have sent all my money to Portugal but I stuck it out. World markets tumbled with the extreme bad employment news but SA was immune to it. ZAR strengthened by 3%.
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2016, 06:20:02 pm
what are your thoughts now Orca? move it before December's rating decision or just hang in there? your fortunate that you've already paid your CGT. if get hammered if I was to take my cash offshore.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 03, 2016, 06:25:14 pm
Patrick, wait for mini budget in October - and then decide :)
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Post by: Orca on June 03, 2016, 06:55:39 pm
EM's always outperform so I will stay here. Brazil's currency and markets were not affected with it's junk status and political scandals. We will too.
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Post by: Hamster on June 04, 2016, 06:05:23 am
Do basically...

/buys more STXIND
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2016, 11:45:56 am
Damn, these commodity shares are volatile
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Post by: czc on June 06, 2016, 12:55:28 pm
How can I buy STXIND when its at all time highs?
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Post by: Orca on June 06, 2016, 01:14:20 pm
Simple. Buy now and the price corrects. Wait and the price carries on up.
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Post by: gcr on June 06, 2016, 01:26:52 pm
Patrick - please look at the BID/BVT split on my personal portfolio they have recorded a unit price of R 217..09 (BID) and R 84.66 (BVT) - Thanks
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2016, 01:43:04 pm
Rant @ R15.01 :'(
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Post by: Patrick on June 06, 2016, 02:02:17 pm
Haha Orca, that's so funny, and true! @jaDEB, tears of joy? Will do GCR.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2016, 03:02:38 pm
No, strong rand is not good for my NPN & Fishies !!
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Post by: smiley on June 06, 2016, 03:49:06 pm
sol
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2016, 03:56:08 pm
SOL brought out trading update . this is auto reply cause u typed in sol.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2016, 04:52:21 pm
And also rand strenght against dollar
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2016, 11:26:16 am
R14.80 :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2016, 04:28:06 pm
hALLO !!
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Post by: Patrick on June 07, 2016, 04:59:43 pm
I'm sitting in Namibia where the internet crawls at snailpace. If the snail has a broken foot.
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Post by: pratlou on June 07, 2016, 07:51:34 pm
where are MyBB's?
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Post by: Hamster on June 07, 2016, 08:25:38 pm
MyBB's? As in people on Mybroadband?

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Post by: Patrick on June 07, 2016, 08:43:50 pm
They're here: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_rankings_group.php?group_id=1
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Post by: Q on June 08, 2016, 11:33:51 am
SA GDP -0.2% YOY
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Post by: Q on June 08, 2016, 11:43:11 am
SA GDP -1.2% QOQ
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Post by: Patrick on June 08, 2016, 11:51:42 am
Ratings agency Fitch has affirmed SA's investment grade credit rating and maintained its stable outlook, but says low GDP growth posed a risk.
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Post by: Q on June 08, 2016, 12:25:21 pm
ZAR 14.83
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Post by: jaDEB on June 08, 2016, 02:06:06 pm
R14.70
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Post by: Moonraker on June 08, 2016, 02:54:46 pm
I wonder whether Fitch took into account the dismal GDP figure, because that came out only about 20 minutes before the Fitch grading ?
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Post by: Nivek on June 08, 2016, 10:09:53 pm
I doubt it. We'll know conclusively in December...
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Post by: Q on June 09, 2016, 02:38:50 pm
Tencent is reportedly in talks to buy the company behind 'Clash of Clans' at a '$9 billion' valuation
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Post by: jaDEB on June 09, 2016, 02:44:23 pm
Yes, last i read it was between 3 to 5 billion. Overwatch, game I is playing online now has 7 million players sofar. 3 weeks into release.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 10, 2016, 07:32:13 am
lol - South African firefighters leaving Canada blaze after pay dispute
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Post by: Nivek on June 10, 2016, 10:03:11 am
Saw that. All those facebook posts of people so proud of them for singing at the airport must be eating humble pie. All they were doing was toyi toying.
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Post by: Patrick on June 10, 2016, 12:01:23 pm
Why is the rand in such a bad mood today :(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 10, 2016, 12:05:18 pm
think it is more dollar strenght ?
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Post by: Orca on June 10, 2016, 01:07:03 pm
UK...Property stocks hit by looming Brexit. Financial stocks also due to threats of moving HQ's to mainland EU.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 10, 2016, 01:14:42 pm
MTN fine :)
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Post by: Moonraker on June 10, 2016, 01:17:01 pm
Mainland EU stocks NOT immune to Brexit. Bad for all. Hope it does not occur.
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Post by: Q on June 10, 2016, 08:13:52 pm
ZAR 15.30
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Post by: mariomxx on June 11, 2016, 12:14:09 am
hi
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Post by: gcr on June 11, 2016, 08:42:47 am
hi
Well this salutation really deserves a response
Hi
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Post by: jaDEB on June 14, 2016, 07:55:45 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 14, 2016, 08:58:44 am
:)
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2016, 09:52:10 am
Hi
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2016, 11:20:23 am
And the rand takes pain again: http://www.fin24.com/Economy/pressure-grows-as-sas-current-account-gap-widens-20160614
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 14, 2016, 12:34:10 pm
Patrick I know this isn't really from a South African perspective but would love to hear your thoughts on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMeI4uHAFE
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Post by: Q on June 14, 2016, 01:04:33 pm
Pity we can't invest in Bitcoins in this Competition
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Post by: Q on June 14, 2016, 01:05:04 pm
Anyone have any laying around? Jadeb?
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2016, 01:18:42 pm
I think you'll be able to buy them in an ETF form one day. Maybe ABSA will do a NewBit to join their NewGold and NewPlat ETFs. They are all mined after all...
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2016, 01:22:42 pm
@Fawkes, will have to check it out when I'm back at my BnB, in our Namibia office the internet crawls...
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Post by: jaDEB on June 14, 2016, 02:02:32 pm
Nope, no bitcoins, to scared of them.
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Post by: gcr on June 14, 2016, 04:28:57 pm
I see the JSE is taking strain
Date             Alsi       Top 40
14/6/16       51656     45654
20/6/14       51380     46274 (all time highs on this date)
Very volatile market lately - due mainly to all the ANC good story to tell syndrome
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Post by: Moonraker on June 14, 2016, 04:36:57 pm
@gcr ANC stuff playing second fiddle to Brexit. Have you checked the world markets ?
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Post by: Q on June 14, 2016, 04:58:54 pm
SA40 -1000 Pips Today
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Post by: gcr on June 14, 2016, 06:22:37 pm
@gcr ANC stuff playing second fiddle to Brexit. Have you checked the world markets ?
FTSE 100 has run a range of 5862 Feb 16th to 6044 per June 13th so no real massive changes it is a drop since June 7th when it was 6284 - so not convinced Brexit is having a substantial effect on our market
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Post by: Orca on June 14, 2016, 07:32:48 pm
The nearly 2% drop in the ALSI today is dwarfed by the fact that the mega giants ABINBEV and SAB were flat.
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Post by: Q on June 14, 2016, 09:33:33 pm
FTSE Loses £30bn In Value As Brexit Fears Grow Today
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Post by: Q on June 14, 2016, 09:34:35 pm
STOXX 600 Has Lost 600 Billion Euros since start of June
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 07:31:00 am
Morning
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 15, 2016, 08:48:05 am
A freezing one
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Post by: Moonraker on June 15, 2016, 09:21:21 am
@gcr ANC stuff playing second fiddle to Brexit. Have you checked the world markets ?
FTSE 100 has run a range of 5862 Feb 16th to 6044 per June 13th so no real massive changes it is a drop since June 7th when it was 6284 - so not convinced Brexit is having a substantial effect on our market

At loggerheads again I see. No, the decline in our market as well as in markets worldwide over the past couple of weeks, is attributable practically solely to Brexit fears as a result of several polls putting the leave camp ahead. Fear of the chaos that could result is best illustrated by this Bloomberg article http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-13/eu-referendum-the-first-100-days-of-brexit
European markets have in many cases declined by more than our market - witness the nearly 9% decline of the STOXX50 since May 21st. in the attached chart.
So, ANC stuff for a change, IS playing second fiddle to Brexit.
Funny nobody here seems worried about a possible Brexit and the consequences. I hope it will not occur.
Brexit has contributed to a strong risk-off situation worldwide, our market follows EU and US markets etc. etc.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 11:07:57 am
Mr Bond, I do worry about Brexit, 23rd June. As it is hurting my NPN it seems ..  
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Post by: gcr on June 15, 2016, 11:57:45 am
@gcr ANC stuff playing second fiddle to Brexit. Have you checked the world markets ?
FTSE 100 has run a range of 5862 Feb 16th to 6044 per June 13th so no real massive changes it is a drop since June 7th when it was 6284 - so not convinced Brexit is having a substantial effect on our market

At loggerheads again I see. No, the decline in our market as well as in markets worldwide over the past couple of weeks, is attributable practically solely to Brexit fears as a result of several polls putting the leave camp ahead. Fear of the chaos that could result is best illustrated by this Bloomberg article http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-13/eu-referendum-the-first-100-days-of-brexit
European markets have in many cases declined by more than our market - witness the nearly 9% decline of the STOXX50 since May 21st. in the attached chart.
So, ANC stuff for a change, IS playing second fiddle to Brexit.
Funny nobody here seems worried about a possible Brexit and the consequences. I hope it will not occur.
Brexit has contributed to a strong risk-off situation worldwide, our market follows EU and US markets etc. etc.
Moon - Not at loggerheads - just a view which seems diametrically opposed to yours - so don't take umbrage when others have a different view or don't subscribe to your views, after all this is a forum for expressing opinions. Also not everybody expresses opinions on this forum so your statement "Funny nobody .......... consequences" seems somewhat dismissive of peoples views on Brexit
So let's both suck it up and move on as it is obvious we differing views of local and external markets   
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Post by: Orca on June 15, 2016, 12:31:51 pm
Brexit will be the beginning of the end for the Euro zone and will have dire consequences throughout the western world----CityWire...UK.
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Post by: gcr on June 15, 2016, 01:36:38 pm
What happened at Oakbay share seems to have dropped by some R 20.86 to R 2.14 - that's a significant correction
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 01:38:03 pm
Will check....sold my LON :)
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Post by: Moonraker on June 15, 2016, 01:42:47 pm
Moon - Not at loggerheads - just a view which seems diametrically opposed to yours - so don't take umbrage when others have a different view or don't subscribe to your views, after all this is a forum for expressing opinions. Also not everybody expresses opinions on this forum so your statement "Funny nobody .......... consequences" seems somewhat dismissive of peoples views on Brexit
So let's both suck it up and move on as it is obvious we differing views of local and external markets
Haven't taken 'umbrage'. Was I rude or nasty ? Merely expressed my opinion and don't care who agrees or disagrees. Food for thought for the forum members that's all, besides it adds spice to a discussion if not everyone has the same view point me thinks. Seems that only Orca has realised the consequences of a Brexit. Where are the people in this forum whose views on Brexit I am supposed to be dismissive of ? If I am getting on everyone's t**s maybe this is my last post here.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 01:47:43 pm
Oakbay buy @ R3.17 Sell @ R23.00 - 30 traded at R2.14 ... huh...
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Post by: Patrick on June 15, 2016, 02:25:09 pm
Wow that's quite a spread!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 02:49:42 pm
I was thinking, but I have Principles, Guptas and all.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 03:04:56 pm
buyers @ R4.02
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 03:53:20 pm
NPN trading statement out...
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 04:00:41 pm
Oakbay back to R23
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Post by: gcr on June 15, 2016, 04:21:44 pm
Seems like hackers got into their website and pulled it down
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2016, 05:20:50 pm
Thanks - saw it on News24 after u mentioned it
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Post by: Orca on June 15, 2016, 09:14:43 pm
Oakbay drop was not due to hackers. It is a JSE listing and it cannot be hacked. It is traded but as an illiquid stock, it has a large spread as traders are desperate to get out. Perhaps it was a rogue trade or a mistake trade that was fixed by the JSE staff.
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Post by: gcr on June 15, 2016, 10:51:16 pm
Orca - Oakbays website was hacked - not the JSE
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Post by: Orca on June 16, 2016, 11:51:46 am
I did say that the JSE was NOT hacked. Read properly.
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Post by: gcr on June 16, 2016, 12:42:10 pm
I did say that the JSE was NOT hacked. Read properly.
semantics
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 04:38:02 pm
SA40 -550 Pips
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 04:38:14 pm
GOLD $1313
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 04:40:30 pm
ZAR 15.54
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Post by: Patrick on June 16, 2016, 05:22:52 pm
That's bad. any idea what's causing it Q? Are we to expect Gordhan's arrest or something like that soon?
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Post by: Patrick on June 16, 2016, 05:22:57 pm
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Post by: Orca on June 16, 2016, 05:41:43 pm
I suspect it is market turbulence due to polls showing Brexit winning. Even the Fed has put the rate hike on hold.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 16, 2016, 05:42:26 pm
Rand most vulnerable to upheaval if UK leaves EU (http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/rand-most-vulnerable-to-upheaval-if-uk-leaves-eu-20160615)

Also due to $ strength due to news that the German 10 bond yield has turned negative for the first time.

And as to general malaise in all markets plus ours ..

(http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/48999/1a82b3489981010.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1a82b3489981010)

(Just an opinion confirmed - again).

Also J. Yellen's delaying of a rate hike citing deteriorating economic conditions and slowing growth in the U.S.and worries about global growth does not portend well for markets. Depends on data going forward - we have already one data point released yesterday; Producer prices in US rose by 0,4% more than the 0,2% expected, maybe this will provide US markets with a very temporary rally ?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 16, 2016, 05:43:18 pm
Thanks Orca
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 06:08:16 pm
@Patrick, Brexit fears are a excuse. ZAR gets strong on worst SA GDP for 25yrs, USD gets strong on worst jobs since 2010
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 06:45:14 pm
SA40 +500 Pips, Markets all moving higher, Brexit VOTE might get delayed
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Post by: Moonraker on June 16, 2016, 07:02:24 pm
Only campaigning halted due to attack on Jo Cox (who has now died). Surely the referendum is still to be held on 23rd ? Did I miss something ?
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Post by: Orca on June 16, 2016, 07:15:54 pm
Thats correct Moon and @Q is living in a dream world with his night shades on.
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 07:27:54 pm
@Orca, I said "Might" get delayed BUT the GBP ran up 160 Pips against USD & UK100 flew up 70 Pips or 1.3%
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Post by: Q on June 16, 2016, 07:31:43 pm
You more than most should know how Rumors moves Markets
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Post by: Orca on June 16, 2016, 07:42:29 pm
I know that but traders and investors are confused at the direction to take. Markets were down as was the ZAR but recovered nicely due to turbulence from Brexit.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 17, 2016, 10:54:21 am
Morning
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Post by: Nivek on June 17, 2016, 12:15:42 pm
Afternoon jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on June 20, 2016, 07:34:31 am
Morning
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Post by: jaDEB on June 20, 2016, 09:56:57 am
I sIAd %$#@ MorNiNG
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 20, 2016, 10:06:07 am
monday blues jadeb?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 20, 2016, 10:09:20 am
kinda
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Post by: Patrick on June 20, 2016, 10:10:38 am
Rand under R15 again :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 20, 2016, 12:48:34 pm
Dammit PPC turned :'(, I did not buy...
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Post by: Q on June 20, 2016, 03:04:09 pm
@Patrick checkout Nigeria's currency today lost 30% against dollar
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Post by: Patrick on June 20, 2016, 03:28:03 pm
I see that, but the had an artificial peg to the currency, so not a standard drop. I imagine we'd see something similar if we unpegged swaziland's currency from ours.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2016, 07:53:06 am
Morning
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Post by: Q on June 21, 2016, 09:47:18 am
ZAR 14.72
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Post by: Patrick on June 21, 2016, 09:49:20 am
I think I'm going to take advantage of the R1m discretionary allowance soon if these rates stick...
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Post by: Orca on June 21, 2016, 11:03:20 am
#Patrick.https://www.absastockbrokers.co.za/absa-public/productsSelfManaged.xsp
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Post by: gcr on June 21, 2016, 12:12:18 pm
I have a conundrum which some forum peoples may have experienced and got a solution to the problem

I want to buy a further 500,000 (NUT) at 1 cent (I have no problem waiting weeks to have the order executed), but I don't want to place the order myself over my brokers on line system as the chances are high that the order will not be executed in a single parcel, thus for every transaction executed it would incur brokerage per transaction. My brokers are not prepared to make it known to other brokers within the country that they have an order for 500,000 shares and then establish what the other brokers have to sell so that the parcel can be fully met. Initially they put me onto a portfolio manager who confirmed that this could not be done, but they were more than eager to assist with my portfolio and evaluate buys and sells.
So my question is has any other forum person been confronted with such a problem and whether their brokers assisted them with such a purchase/sale
Would be interested in knowing, as some 45 years ago when I was in a scrip department this was a normal function of stockbrokers in those days.

Thanks in anticipation to responses 
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Post by: Patrick on June 21, 2016, 12:21:26 pm
Hi Orca, is there something specific I should be looking at on the link?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2016, 12:42:37 pm
I sold my AVL, 4 trades same time, but diff prices. and trade cost was same as if I sold 1 trade.
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Post by: Orca on June 21, 2016, 12:43:54 pm
Scroll down to "World Trader" and click on "Read more". Just a comparison to whatever broker you are going to use for foreign investment.
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Post by: gcr on June 21, 2016, 12:59:55 pm
I sold my AVL, 4 trades same time, but diff prices. and trade cost was same as if I sold 1 trade.
If one or more trades are executed on the same day then you pay brokerage based on a single sale, however if it is only partially filled and it rolls over to the next day then you pay brokerage for the first days transaction and then brokerage is charged at the next days transactions
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2016, 01:02:08 pm
Sorry, why are you buying NUT ?
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Post by: gcr on June 21, 2016, 02:58:50 pm
Sorry, why are you buying NUT ?
These are my high risk shares in my portfolio and I want them to climb to 10 cents over the next 5 years and if they do I will make a bucket load of cash. They may even consolidate their shares in the future maybe on a 100 : 1 basis ( I am hoping they go this route once they get themselves sorted out). Should they go nowhere and get liquidated then I will use the loss to offset CGT on shares that I sell in the future. They have been as high as 4 cents in the last year, but if I lose out then I can afford to take the knock
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2016, 03:13:10 pm
THanks, will add it to my list :)
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Post by: Q on June 21, 2016, 04:52:03 pm
FEDERAL RESERVE WARNS: Stocks are looking expensive
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Post by: Orca on June 21, 2016, 05:12:33 pm
Friday may be a black Friday for UK. Trading suspension for the FTSE and a halt on the exchange rate mechanism to stop the pound getting pounded is expected.---Sorros.
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Post by: FSD on June 21, 2016, 05:17:12 pm
Wonder what spread & margin requirements will be like Thursday & Friday for GBP with brokerages protecting themselves against a possible repeat of CHF massacre last year
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Post by: Orca on June 21, 2016, 05:32:08 pm
Trading of the GBP may be suspended.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 22, 2016, 08:00:07 am
Morning
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Post by: Patrick on June 22, 2016, 11:10:00 am
@orca, thanks, I looked at them, but I found that for me it is far cheaper that I use Interactive Brokers. Their fees are very low, for the london exchange, where I buy VWRD, they charge just 0.08% or 1 pound minimum. Also there are no custodian fees which ABSA has. There is a minimum in fees of $10 a month, so if you don't do a trade in that month they will charge $10. This falls away once you reach $100 000 in holdings, so it's also a good account to buy and hold for the long term.
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Post by: indexer on June 22, 2016, 11:36:56 am
@Patrick - I decided to use TD Direct due to some of the concerns regarding Interactive Brokers and estate duty. See the comment at October 19, 2014 at 4:08 pm on https://andrewhallam.com/2010/11/how-british-expatriates-can-invest-using-index-funds-in-singapore/
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Post by: Patrick on June 22, 2016, 12:44:43 pm
@indexer, yes I looked into the estate duty which is why I'm buying an Irish domiciled fund. Cash is still and issue, but the risk of me selling more than $60k is very low. I need less than half that to live for a year. The risk of me selling $60k and then dying before I have a chance to re-invest is probably ludicrously low. I'll accept that risk, and avoid the guaranteed custodian fees with TD. Those fees would add up. At 0.3% per year someone with $500k would have to pay $1500 a year. If you anticipate that you'd withdraw 4% or $20k a year, at TD you'd only be able to draw $18.5k. That's basically a month's drawdown you give back to the broker.
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Post by: indexer on June 22, 2016, 01:31:09 pm
@Patrick, I agree that the risk on US situs cash is very low. My main concern was that the person dealing with my estate might accidentally do something to trigger US estate duty when selling out of out the Irish Domiciled funds. I decided to play it safe and have the trading account outside the US as well. I might consider some holdings at Interactive Brokers and just keep it under the $60k limit.  How did you calculate 0.3% per year at TD Direct for a $500k account? I understood the fees to be 25EUR for 1
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Post by: indexer on June 22, 2016, 01:36:17 pm
@Orca, Both Standard Bank WebTrander and ABSA WorldTrader as just “resellers” of the Saxo white labelled platform. The user interface is the same except for the logo and colours. What value does Standard Bank or WorldTrader add that you cannot get with Saxo directly for lower fees? Saxo has a local Johannesburg office and their also offer proper two factor login. Standard Bank also changes extra for registration with GlobeTax to get the 15% dividend treaty rate.  
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Post by: Patrick on June 22, 2016, 03:00:41 pm
@indexer, I was looking at the UK site: http://www.tddirectinvesting.co.uk/rates-and-charges/ but fortunately it seems on the .com site all they list is 45 Euro per quarter. That isn't bad at all. I pity the poor Brits though. And of course any South African's using ABSA etc. I see Saxo also charges 0.12% custody fees. I'm still drawing up a will, and the instruction will be to transfer the holdings into a different account, and not to sell anything!
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Post by: Orca on June 22, 2016, 04:06:39 pm
These brokers are not conventional brokers so I would not trust all my money with them. Most go bang eventually.
Here is a review on Saxo. http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.saxobank.com
Here is a review on Interactive Brokers. http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.interactivebrokers.com
Here is a video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFgxe9HIBfA
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Post by: indexer on June 22, 2016, 06:35:29 pm
@Orca - do you prefer Standard Bank or ABSA to Saxo/IB/TD? The forex situation in the Youtube video would probably have occurred with WebTrader/WorldTrader as well. They generally apply the same rules as Saxo.  Who will you recommend as a conventional broker for offshore holdings?
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Post by: Orca on June 22, 2016, 08:28:47 pm
I just don't know but I would not like to invest my life savings in an obscure broker that states they are headquartered and regulated in Geneva but your money goes to an office in Panama or Singapore where the regulators have no powers.
Most are in house gambling dens where your money does not actually go to the stock exchange but is traded within the company between members as in a casino.
Stick with banks in SA as you will have FSB behind you as you would not want to travel to Panama to fight for your money. Been there and lost out.

 
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 07:47:58 am
Morning
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 07:57:44 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watch/
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 09:58:43 am
That's pretty cool, thanks jaDEB.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 23, 2016, 10:11:08 am
And for those who would be keen on an all night vigil:-

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-20/eu-referendum-how-britain-s-brexit-vote-count-will-unfold
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 10:17:37 am
I'm just happy keeping an eye on the improving rand. Funny, but after 9/12, I said if the Rand ever got down to the pre 9/12 levels I'd then move my money out. I missed the April strength, now I'm busy applying for clearance etc.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 10:22:25 am
R14.50
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Post by: Q on June 23, 2016, 10:52:12 am
Patrick dont you have an off-shore bank account?
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 11:10:33 am
Yes, but to move more than a bar you need sars clearance.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 12:25:22 pm
you have to be sh%$ing me "South African black lobby disappointed by MTN's new white CEO"
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Post by: Q on June 23, 2016, 12:29:35 pm
Guptas in move to buy a bank - http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/guptas-in-move-to-buy-a-bank-report-20160622
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Post by: Q on June 23, 2016, 12:30:13 pm
Pound FLYING
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Post by: Q on June 23, 2016, 12:31:25 pm
Jadeb sold my house http://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/127571/inside-the-cape-town-home-that-just-sold-for-r290-million/
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 12:35:35 pm
Rand at R14.40, and I need another week and a half to get SARS etc in order... Hope it stays...
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Post by: Bread on June 23, 2016, 02:26:25 pm
@indexer, I was looking at the UK site: http://www.tddirectinvesting.co.uk/rates-and-charges/ but fortunately it seems on the .com site all they list is 45 Euro per quarter. That isn't bad at all. I pity the poor Brits though. And of course any South African's using ABSA etc. I see Saxo also charges 0.12% custody fees. I'm still drawing up a will, and the instruction will be to transfer the holdings into a different account, and not to sell anything!

Why do you pity us South Africans who are using ABSA? (Sorry, but I haven't been following the chat).
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 03:06:26 pm
The custodian fees. 0.1% doesn't sound like much, but it would be $500 a year on a $500 000 account. I'd rather keep all my cash.
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Post by: Bread on June 23, 2016, 03:43:49 pm
Or R500 on a R500 000 account. That's not much.
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Post by: Patrick on June 23, 2016, 03:50:52 pm
Yes but one day you'll have a million dollars and then it will be :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 05:52:23 pm
wtf happened to Brexit ?
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Post by: Orca on June 23, 2016, 05:56:24 pm
If Brexit wins, then Italy and Spain will be next to have a referendum. EU Commission to look at having 2 different Euros. One for the poorer countries and one for the richer. Euro1 and Euro2.
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Post by: Orca on June 23, 2016, 05:58:06 pm
Counting starts after 10PM.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 23, 2016, 06:15:16 pm
Lazy bastards
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Post by: Bread on June 23, 2016, 07:27:30 pm
 :D
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Post by: Orca on June 23, 2016, 09:04:22 pm
Polls close at 10 pm.
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 06:11:18 am
OMG
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 06:25:19 am
what will the JSE do I wonder, and why on earth did the rand drop so far :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 07:03:16 am
Nasdaq & S&P futures both down more than -5%.
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 07:07:02 am
Gold spot +5%, Rand -6%
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 07:15:27 am
Oh my, did you really say SA -2150 pips?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 07:16:32 am
Frikkie !!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 07:19:30 am
Sorry Morning.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 24, 2016, 07:25:16 am
going to be a big day - if you have gold miners in your portfolio - cha ching! 20% up maybe?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 07:31:54 am
My NPN is brining results out
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 07:45:54 am
I only managed to get 1 bar out on Tuesday, cost me R14.85. Takes about 4 days to clear apparently and then another 3 to get into my brokerage account, so I can't even go bargain hunting today :(
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 24, 2016, 07:48:56 am
did they give you tuesday's rate?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 24, 2016, 07:49:30 am
sorry, guess that what you mean by 14.85!
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 07:51:35 am
Yes, I locked in when it was R14.70, the transaction cost me 1% for R14.85.
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 07:51:57 am
Have a look here, rand hit second hardest after pound: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/u-k-referendum-roils-global-currencies-from-australia-to-mexico#media-1
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 07:53:46 am
Ouch R15.60 now.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 08:03:35 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-referendum/
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 08:19:40 am
T40 futures have turned for now, wanna bet its going down again just before opening? -4.3% now
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 08:39:07 am
@P: SA always on top of the 'bad' list and bottom of the 'good' list. :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 08:50:00 am
T40: -5.39%  -2565 pips, so predictable.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 08:58:32 am
R15.26
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 08:59:39 am
It's going to be a very interesting week I think
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 09:03:37 am
Opening -5.15%, currently -4.79%
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Post by: czc on June 24, 2016, 09:04:08 am
So Brexit it is.
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Post by: Orca on June 24, 2016, 09:05:33 am
So far, not nearly as bad as I thought. Always an overreaction though and it may just bounce but who knows as the news gets digested.
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Post by: Patrick on June 24, 2016, 09:10:01 am
Apparently the referendum isn't legally binding, maybe it will end up being a massive negotiation between the UK and EU and then still remain in...
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 09:25:19 am
Taking most of the heat on T40 are Capital & Counties -18%,  Brait -15%, Intu -16%, Anglo -13%,  Investec -10%, OldM -11%  -Bil -9%, RMB -8% FirtRand -8%, Capitec -7%, PSG -7% - I give up, can’t type so fast changing rapidly now.  Ashanti +17%.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 24, 2016, 09:31:29 am
Whether Britain end up staying or leaving this will definitely lead to big changes in how the EU operates. The Dutch said they will also consider having an in/out referendum if the one in the UK is successful. Poland is being run by an anti-EU government and an anti-EU party won the mayoral elections in Rome. The leave win in the UK might also embolden the Greeks to get the hell out. The EU will have no choice but to reform drastically if they want to keep the union together.
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 24, 2016, 09:44:20 am
David Cameron announces resignation
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Post by: joeman on June 24, 2016, 09:48:08 am
Staring at my screen watching my stocks in real life take a proper pounding (excuse the pun) of no less than 5%  :wtf:  :'(
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 24, 2016, 09:54:23 am
At least you weren't invested in RPL and TEX :(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 09:56:15 am
Rant R14.92 :)
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Post by: Moonraker on June 24, 2016, 10:19:48 am
Let's see what happens over the weekend with Spain elections. Should Podemos win (unlikely) we can kiss EU goodbye.
(ANC stuff IS playing second fiddle to Brexit - surely no more doubters now :) )
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Post by: Orca on June 24, 2016, 10:20:52 am
Digestion has begun. ZAR gained back half of it's loss already and stocks are following back up.
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Post by: jakes147 on June 24, 2016, 11:45:46 am
lonmin
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 01:30:45 pm
EU chiefs say Britain must leave 'as soon as possible' looks like frikkie is there ?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 24, 2016, 02:16:30 pm
Putin is a happy chappy (for obvious reasons - enforcement of sanctions against Russia take a back seat, Ukraine the same etc.)
Should Trump win, well he has already said 'let the Europeans fight their own battles' i.e. less NATO involvement. That's why Putin
loves Trump - implications for Eastern Europe ?
Retreat from reason (http://www.financialmail.co.za/opinion/bruceslist/2016/06/24/retreat-from-reason)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 24, 2016, 03:15:58 pm
Does any1 know when NPN resulst be out? After market close?
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Post by: Orca on June 24, 2016, 08:41:09 pm
UK "OUT" voters now seeing the consequences are having second thoughts and would have voted "IN" had they known. They did not listen or attend the road shows of both camps.
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Post by: Hamster on June 25, 2016, 07:36:01 am
UK "OUT" voters now seeing the consequences are having second thoughts and would have voted "IN" had they known. They did not listen or attend the road shows of both camps.
Or bothered to vote
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 25, 2016, 08:10:47 am
Think it's all a bit OTT and will settle down in a bit. Not a bad read about the economic impact here http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024728/brexit-economy-economists-recession
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Post by: Orca on June 25, 2016, 02:45:45 pm
On the news today.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/petition-second-eu-referendum-crashes-house-of-commons-website
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Post by: Q on June 26, 2016, 12:00:43 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659328/Brexit-buccaneer-rakes-220million-Hedge-fund-tycoon-declares-winner-betting-stock-value-falling.html
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Post by: Moonraker on June 26, 2016, 04:39:42 pm
Orca, now over 3,2 million. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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Post by: Orca on June 26, 2016, 06:12:12 pm
Watching BBC Live all day. Like a soapy. No MP expected this so no plan B. Parliament in shambles today with members resigning and sacked. Scotland perhaps to veto and overturn the result.
Cameron has to leave as he was in the "in" camp. This may call for an emergency general election with "in" and "out" being in the forefront rather than party fundamentals.
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Post by: Orca on June 26, 2016, 06:34:00 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/faisal-islam-brexit-no-plan_uk_576fe22ee4b0d2571149cffd?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp
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Post by: Patrick on June 26, 2016, 09:19:14 pm
I'm not British, but this article his home: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back
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Post by: Bread on June 26, 2016, 10:20:05 pm
I still say its about fighting ISIS and everything related. The same reason Trump has so many supporters.
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Post by: Orca on June 26, 2016, 10:52:16 pm
Good read P.
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Post by: Orca on June 26, 2016, 11:05:03 pm
This will reverberate throughout the markets for some months but I see the UK may have early erections before year end. The UK will never exit as they cannot loose London.
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Post by: gcr on June 26, 2016, 11:59:53 pm
This will reverberate throughout the markets for some months but I see the UK may have early erections before year end. The UK will never exit as they cannot loose London.
:LHST:
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 27, 2016, 07:32:54 am
Lol, those pesky auto-corrects, I hate them but this one was good.
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Post by: Patrick on June 27, 2016, 07:45:09 am
Haha just caught that now Moneypenny. Common problem for boys in high school swimming class :p
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2016, 10:11:25 am
That will lead to a premature ejection for Britain.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2016, 10:37:42 am
Ja, you closest to Brit. u can wipe it clean
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Post by: Snapcase on June 27, 2016, 10:49:00 am
Lol @ that second referendum petition.  
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2016, 11:57:28 am
UK banks hit hard. Barclays shares suspended. Brace for racial riots.
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Post by: Bread on June 27, 2016, 12:51:31 pm
This will reverberate throughout the markets for some months but I see the UK may have early erections before year end. The UK will never exit as they cannot loose London.
:LHST:

 :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on June 27, 2016, 12:52:27 pm
That will lead to a premature ejection for Britain.

 :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on June 27, 2016, 12:53:34 pm
Ja, you closest to Brit. u can wipe it clean

 :D
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Post by: Bread on June 27, 2016, 12:56:41 pm
Shame, Patrick. That must've been embarrassing for you  :D

Hope there were toilets nearby  :)
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2016, 01:05:56 pm
I have been too scared to look at my portfolio since Thursday.
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Post by: Hstig on June 27, 2016, 01:41:09 pm
Gold FTW
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Post by: Patrick on June 27, 2016, 02:06:46 pm
I've looked, and you have plenty of reasons to be afraid. The only small silver lining I have is that I have 15% in USD cash at the moment. Wish it was more but SARS took too long.
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Post by: Patrick on June 27, 2016, 02:17:17 pm
I'm actually not terribly upset by the stock market going down, it's happening globally. What really gets to me is how the rand has pretty much been the second worst currency after the pound post brexit.
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2016, 03:17:35 pm
The ALSI was trading at an unsustainable high PE before this so this is not bad at all.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 27, 2016, 04:48:54 pm
Yes it is. See Brexit consequences post.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2016, 04:59:27 pm
any good twitter thingys i can follow for markets and JSE?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 27, 2016, 05:08:55 pm
Being butchered
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Post by: Samurai on June 27, 2016, 05:13:59 pm
Being slaughtered
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2016, 05:16:58 pm
Being slaughtered
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Post by: jaDEB on June 27, 2016, 05:17:52 pm
Dow drops 300 points as stocks extend losses; materials off 3%
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Post by: Q on June 27, 2016, 07:56:29 pm
S&P lowers UK sovereign rating to AA from AAA
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Post by: Orca on June 27, 2016, 07:57:37 pm
SA markets hit worse than the UK market that caused it.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 07:41:40 am
DJ Futures positive, :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 09:11:59 am
Morning
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Post by: gcr on June 28, 2016, 09:17:03 am
So what just happened in sunny SA on the JSE majority of my watch list are showing green and my portfolio has just recovered about 25% of its falls since Friday.
Must be a case of the false dawn or is it a case of all the traders who had shorts having to cover themselves?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 28, 2016, 09:38:11 am
Really?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 28, 2016, 09:38:51 am
T40 +737 pips
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 28, 2016, 09:40:46 am
There goes Ashanti
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 10:03:02 am
Where to?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 28, 2016, 10:09:16 am
To hell and back - 4.5%
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 10:10:40 am
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 10:27:48 am
kio :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 28, 2016, 11:13:02 am
How are the traders finding this volatility?
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Post by: Orca on June 28, 2016, 12:08:34 pm
By looking at the charts.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 12:49:17 pm
lol
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Post by: PiPatrol on June 28, 2016, 01:14:18 pm
glad this isn't real money XD
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Post by: Orca on June 28, 2016, 01:43:58 pm
Some good news. http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Equities/escaping-brexit-pushes-sa-stock-buying-to-7-yr-high-20160628
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 28, 2016, 01:57:44 pm
Are you guys aware that a national fuel delivery strike has already begun yesterday?  Fuel shortage will probably be experienced at pumps from Thursday.  It's being kept on the low-low as to not result in people rushing and filling up, so do it anyway.  I've asked petrol attendant just know, he was aware of it.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 28, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Couldn't help myself - bought some more TEX at a conservative FWD yield of 14%, how could I say no? :)
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Post by: Samurai on June 28, 2016, 02:53:49 pm
Markets slightly upwards today.
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Post by: Patrick on June 28, 2016, 02:58:02 pm
That's a serious yield! My money hit my US brokerage, but for some reason it still takes 4 days to clear there. Will only be available on 1 July, I hope the bargains remain.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 28, 2016, 03:09:29 pm
On the bright side you already up on the exchange - guessing around R20,600 - so that ain't bad. But would also be itching to get that cash invested! Putting it in all at once or spreading it out over a week or two?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 28, 2016, 03:28:16 pm
I would literally give my left nut for some money to invest right now
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on June 28, 2016, 03:42:25 pm
Yeah some serious bargains out there!
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 28, 2016, 03:57:46 pm
Have now got ridden of sanlam and MMI - and added to TEX. Reason: I think insurance companies could struggle with all the claims from violent demonstrations now and in the future. Am keeping RMI though. TEX now close on 9% of my portfolio - so will leave it at that.
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Post by: Patrick on June 28, 2016, 04:17:03 pm
I think I'll go all in, as you said, I'm up on the exchange around 3%, and sidestepped a big drop in the markets. My rule is to do my best to ignore my fear and greed and to go all in when the money hits.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2016, 04:27:33 pm
I just do not know what has changed since yesterday. ? Why the up in the market
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Post by: Snapcase on June 28, 2016, 04:38:21 pm
I dont get it either.  Really thought it would get a bit worse for a few days at least
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Post by: Orca on June 28, 2016, 05:09:03 pm
Probably have a red day tomorrow. Will be volatile for some time I think.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2016, 07:46:30 am
Morning
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 29, 2016, 08:21:42 am
Top of the morning to you
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 29, 2016, 08:22:09 am
let the saga continue :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2016, 10:20:14 am
So last night I went to an ABSA stockbrokers event and had a chat to the head of absa stockbrokers afterwards. Anyone want to guess which broker he uses for his offshore investing?
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Post by: Hamster on June 29, 2016, 10:30:55 am
So last night I went to an ABSA stockbrokers event and had a chat to the head of absa stockbrokers afterwards. Anyone want to guess which broker he uses for his offshore investing?

Standard Bank Webtrader?
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Post by: Hamster on June 29, 2016, 10:31:25 am
Probably have a red day tomorrow. Will be volatile for some time I think.

Not looking too bad ...yet
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 29, 2016, 10:46:36 am
Trick question Patrick? he does not believe in stocks and prefers to carry, gold, silver, rare black sable semen and various collectible stamps sticky taped to various parts of his anatomy? What did I win??? :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2016, 10:46:44 am
Not standard bank, a couple more tries?
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on June 29, 2016, 10:48:56 am
Saxo?
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2016, 10:49:20 am
not sable semen either :)
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Post by: Hamster on June 29, 2016, 11:09:12 am
Not standard bank, a couple more tries?

Just threw the most unlikely idea out there. As a bank employee he is more than likely forbidden from using any platform other than their own. The fact that you posted the question probably means this is not the case...so, answer please :p
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2016, 11:22:21 am
I was under that impression too, but he uses TD Ameritrade. He doesn't like the custody fee on their own platform either, but Saxo makes the rules, so he can't change it.
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Post by: gcr on June 29, 2016, 11:39:25 am
Reading the complaints against them I would question whether I wanted to use them as a broker partner, seems like they can milk accounts quite effectively without explanation or at very least even warrant an explanation
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2016, 11:44:51 am
I won't switch from Interactive, I believe returns are directly proportional to the inverse of costs, and of all the brokers available, for the amounts I invest, interactive brokers can't be beat on costs.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 29, 2016, 04:28:49 pm
Chris Hart:-

“I fear that Brexit will be used as a cover for our own problems,” he said.
“South Africa is not growing, its heading into recession – if not already in one
- and it’s all self-inflicted.

For sure.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2016, 05:56:17 pm
Rant R14.84
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Post by: Orca on June 29, 2016, 06:10:59 pm
Long MTA tomorrow.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 29, 2016, 08:43:39 pm
NYSE trader: Brexit? What Brexit?
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 30, 2016, 08:39:28 am
FTSE levels above pre-BREXIT levels...my portfolio not so much
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Post by: Snapcase on June 30, 2016, 11:57:37 am
GBP to ZAR 19.85
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Post by: Patrick on June 30, 2016, 01:01:59 pm
And SARS is taking their time approving my offshore investment allowance...
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Post by: Orca on June 30, 2016, 01:35:58 pm
Boris declines to be next PM. Stocks leap and EM currencies falter.
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Post by: Al_B on June 30, 2016, 02:02:05 pm
etf
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Post by: Patrick on June 30, 2016, 02:21:41 pm
The likely candidate to replace Cameron now is Theresa May, who was in the stay camp.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 30, 2016, 03:39:47 pm
Things are looking better in ZA. Huge trade surplus (latest)/Foreigners buying gilts and stocks/and ABInBev merger monies to flow in (maybe Oct/Nov).
If either Italy (48% want to exit EU) or France (41% want to exit EU) hold a succesfull Brexit style referendum, EU will be between a rock and a
hard place. Could then be that UK looks good in comparison (my opinion). ZA with higher yields may also continue attracting inflows to JSE and bond market.
What do you think ?
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Post by: czc on June 30, 2016, 04:27:41 pm
But whats the chance of Hollande allowing an EU referendum?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 30, 2016, 05:21:21 pm
@czc You are 100% right, but 2/3 years is a long time in politics (particularly now in the EU). All depends on the Le Penn woman's progress.
Italy is a better bet, already Rome is in the hands of the Five Star party.
http://www.thelocal.it/20160606/what-you-need-to-know-about-italys-five-star-movement
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Post by: Q on June 30, 2016, 09:35:11 pm
Orca stocks jumped because BOE announced more stimulus, AKA QE, AKA money printing
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Post by: jaDEB on July 01, 2016, 08:11:46 am
Morning
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2016, 08:49:25 am
Morning jaDEB
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2016, 02:09:27 pm
Shame on you Chris Hart. http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/rand-extends-gains-after-sas-record-trade-surplus-20160630
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2016, 02:40:30 pm
I read the article, but what did Chris do?
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2016, 03:12:52 pm
Read Reply #4260.
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2016, 03:16:22 pm
Got it. Happy to see the rand at pre 9/12 levels again...
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Post by: gcr on July 01, 2016, 04:00:29 pm
Long MTA tomorrow.
What happened with your long?
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Post by: Moonraker on July 01, 2016, 04:11:36 pm
On collision course with EU who want signing of Lisbon treaty now now. BUT..
Michael Gove said that the legal notification won’t be made this year if he becomes prime minister, echoing comments made by Theresa May.
They want to negotiate the terms of exiting now, EU says only after signing.
What's your take on this Snr. Orca ?
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2016, 06:12:13 pm

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What happened with your long?
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MTA's was in a bear mode due to Russia not allowing trade with Turkey. Russia was MTA's biggest customer of MUTLU in Turkey. This was reversed yesterday as they kissed and made up. Unfortunately today it was announced that car sales dropped more than expected.
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Post by: Orca on July 01, 2016, 06:30:56 pm
Moon. The shenanigans going on in both the Conservative and Labour Parties must all be settled first before a new PM can be elected. Only then can they start in house discussions on the terms to negotiate with Brussels.   
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Post by: jaDEB on July 04, 2016, 07:23:09 am
Morning
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Post by: jaDEB on July 04, 2016, 02:09:58 pm
Morning jaDEB, how's things
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Post by: Nivek on July 04, 2016, 04:25:45 pm
Schizophrenia, so you'll never feel lonely hey jaDEB :)
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Post by: jaDEB on July 04, 2016, 04:44:51 pm
I suppose so, sorry : a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation
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Post by: Bread on July 04, 2016, 06:19:43 pm
I suppose so, sorry : a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation

I love it when people put my thoughts into words  :)
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Post by: jaDEB on July 05, 2016, 07:15:24 am
mOrNInG
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2016, 08:51:32 am
Hello
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Post by: Snapcase on July 05, 2016, 09:54:14 am
morning
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Post by: gcr on July 05, 2016, 12:08:59 pm
Patrick - read your blog which is most interesting and I have a few questions - hopefully your responses will clear my thinking/understanding
1) You have taken funds offshore to a USA broker company and have bought your instruments out of these funds. Where are the instruments being held and in whose name are they in. If in your name with the USA broker then surely the funds are designated as a USA investment and as such you could run foul of the USA tax officials?
2) If the funds are in a nominees/own name sitting in Ireland who is holding these instruments for you USA broker or an agent broker in Ireland, and would they still be considered outside the USA tax laws or inside for tax purposes and don't you run the same risks if held within you broker account in USA
3) Could you not have established a broker account in Ireland and held the instruments with them directly without the risk of the USA leg being subject to some form of funds confiscation
4) Are you paying fees in USA and Ireland?
Maybe once you have settled all the bits and bobs of going the route you chose is to write a blog setting out how you decided on  this path its benefits and pitfalls and if you did it again (maybe you will) whether you would tackle it differently
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2016, 01:25:02 pm
Hi graham, I've answered here: http://shareforum.co.za/the-investor-challenge/blog-post-what-percentage-of-your-investments-should-be-offshore/
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Post by: Orca on July 05, 2016, 06:00:58 pm
@P. Please read my reply to the post below.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 06, 2016, 07:21:06 am
MorNIng
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Post by: Hstig on July 06, 2016, 07:51:50 am
morning, watch the goldminers this morning gold over $1350/oz
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Post by: jaDEB on July 06, 2016, 08:41:36 am
Plat is also looking good
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Post by: jaDEB on July 06, 2016, 09:29:41 am
DRD above R10.
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Post by: gcr on July 06, 2016, 10:02:02 am
There is an interesting article on Moneyweb this am - The ups and downs of dividends - which is well worth reading
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Post by: Fawkes85 on July 06, 2016, 10:13:12 am
Sometimes I want to shoot the other shareholders of the companies I own shares in. Do you not realise what your panicking and stupidity is doing to my portfolio? Why can't you act like this when I have money lying around to invest? Bastards
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Post by: Snapcase on July 06, 2016, 10:51:29 am
dammit, and I got out of gold yesterday, haha
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Post by: Nivek on July 06, 2016, 10:57:33 am
Why has the rand weakened so much in the last few days?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 06, 2016, 11:45:20 am
Brexit fears are back, these f&^% investors change their minds more than the voices in my heads.
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Post by: Patrick on July 06, 2016, 11:54:01 am
Could someone tell the investors we're not a colony anymore please.
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Post by: gcr on July 06, 2016, 12:27:27 pm
Could someone tell the investors we're not a colony anymore please.
Ah but we are part of the commonwealth - so nervous tensions all around
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Post by: Samurai on July 06, 2016, 01:17:02 pm
Woolies going down?
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 01:23:29 pm
I must be the worst picker. Every share i have has lost 5%
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Post by: Samurai on July 06, 2016, 01:54:52 pm
I feel your pain Zizebra - Welcome to my world
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 04:18:49 pm
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 04:20:03 pm
is this when i should panick and sell to cut my loses or when i should hang in there and hope they regain and rise
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Post by: Patrick on July 06, 2016, 04:28:34 pm
Selling isn't cutting your losses, it's locking in your losses!
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Post by: gcr on July 06, 2016, 04:32:34 pm
is this when i should panick and sell to cut my loses or when i should hang in there and hope they regain and rise
Z - if you are investing then these little rubble strips will occur on your travelled road. The only thing you can question is did you buy them as a longer term investment or as a speculative stock - depending on how you answer will determine your decision making process.
 >:D
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 04:52:43 pm
i see i bought them to run away from inflation
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 04:53:26 pm
I shall have to learn to understand which shares are best for Long term then
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Post by: zizebra on July 06, 2016, 04:55:06 pm
patrick
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Post by: Orca on July 06, 2016, 05:12:54 pm
In a few weeks time, this will show as a normal blip on the charts. We had too many good days and it was inevitable and expected that traders would book profits now. Perhaps another 1% to go or perhaps the market will turn as early as tomorrow.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 06, 2016, 06:20:25 pm
@zizebra Defensive stuff MDC AVL BTI have so far been OK
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Post by: jaDEB on July 06, 2016, 06:26:48 pm
US now positive :)
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Post by: Orca on July 06, 2016, 06:51:16 pm
ZAR making gains again.
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Post by: Orca on July 06, 2016, 10:56:20 pm
Portugal beat Wales in the Euro Cup and I have never experienced so much noise and fireworks in my life.
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Post by: zim.millioniare on July 07, 2016, 09:59:06 am
how is drd outperforming all the other glD
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Post by: Q on July 07, 2016, 03:41:15 pm
Gold getting smacked down
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Post by: Samurai on July 07, 2016, 04:01:45 pm
Glad to see markets are up today, holding thumbs
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Post by: Samurai on July 07, 2016, 05:14:26 pm
Well I am still in the red after Brexit hopefully its going to get better soon
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Post by: zizebra on July 07, 2016, 05:58:13 pm
iam still in the red. iam afraid to sell that i will lose more faster.
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Post by: czc on July 07, 2016, 06:01:48 pm
0.26% up on normal portfolio, 3.55% up on TFSA was worse at one point still 20% down on ARL and STXDIV
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Post by: Orca on July 07, 2016, 08:03:30 pm
DIVTRX to pay dividend tomorrow....Hopefully. Some brokers may pay it a day or 2 later.
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Post by: Patrick on July 07, 2016, 09:54:11 pm
What was the last LDT for it Orca?
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Post by: Nivek on July 08, 2016, 10:03:21 am
Morning jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 08, 2016, 10:18:34 am
Morning... :)
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Post by: Orca on July 08, 2016, 11:28:24 am
@P.  http://shareforum.co.za/shares/ldt/1410/
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 11:44:38 am
Thanks Orca
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Post by: Snapcase on July 08, 2016, 12:03:45 pm
@Patrick, think Magash has had a weird double sell issue with his Lonmin shares
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Post by: Q on July 08, 2016, 12:14:51 pm
PPC lol
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 12:22:43 pm
Thanks Snapcase, I've rolled the double back.
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Post by: Snapcase on July 08, 2016, 12:59:12 pm
Np, haha, his portfolio figures are still whack though - total looks good.  Cash on hand -R650k, and he bought ACL with his double sell earnings.
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 01:55:31 pm
that's normal, he spent money he incorrectly had, he'll be back on zero after he sells again but his net worth is right now.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 08, 2016, 02:47:33 pm
Rant @ R14.63 :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 08, 2016, 03:01:25 pm
Need to buy some flights - come on rand!
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Post by: Snapcase on July 08, 2016, 03:49:55 pm
that's normal, he spent money he incorrectly had, he'll be back on zero after he sells again but his net worth is right now.
Thats confusing  :D.  He'll be making gains/losses on the extra 'borrowed' money.  When he sells, what happens to that portion of the gain/loss that is due to the borrowed money?
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Post by: Orca on July 08, 2016, 04:26:58 pm
He should be fined R50k for not reporting the anomaly and thereby cheating.
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Post by: Snapcase on July 08, 2016, 05:46:52 pm
Haha, Patrick's interest free loan investment simulator...  :P
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 05:55:08 pm
yeah, it happens, even though I have two sets of code trying to avoid it. wish I knew why.
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 05:56:20 pm
@Mr div, I really hope there rand stats where it is till Tuesday. My forex transaction will be booked then.
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 06:09:28 pm
@orca, was there an announcement on the divtrax divvie? Their site says 0c which I hope is a mistake.
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Post by: brad on July 08, 2016, 08:03:17 pm
that's normal, he spent money he incorrectly had, he'll be back on zero after he sells again but his net worth is right now.
Thats confusing  :D.  He'll be making gains/losses on the extra 'borrowed' money.  When he sells, what happens to that portion of the gain/loss that is due to the borrowed money?
You right snapcase it is confusing.Look at FSD's account.He has made massive gains on "BORROWED"money.He has already made a profit of R774216 and has a gain of 10% on you.
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2016, 08:23:17 pm
@Brad FSDs account seems correct, no borrowed money there am I right?
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Post by: brad on July 08, 2016, 09:03:24 pm
2016/04/13 11:52   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   7197   5555   R401 392,52
2016/04/13 12:30   ART   ARGENT INDUSTRIAL LTD   -26500   395   -R104 555,00
2016/04/13 12:30   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   1979   5506   R109 399,59
2016/04/21 15:00   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   -9176   5029   -R461 341,04
2016/04/21 15:00   TAS   Taste Hldgs Ltd   167775   260   R437 959,86
2016/05/03 16:43   TAS   Taste Hldgs Ltd   -167775   275   -R461 261,25
2016/05/03 16:43   AGL   ANGLO AMERICAN PLC   4082   14138   R579 421,61
2016/05/05 11:32   AGL   ANGLO AMERICAN PLC   -4082   14141   -R577 115,62
2016/05/05 11:33   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   12307   4720   R583 213,96
2016/05/06 15:34   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   -12307   5139   -R632 336,73
2016/05/06 15:35   LON   Lonmin plc   18292   3430   R629 925,26
2016/05/12 16:24   LON   Lonmin plc   -18292   3620   -R662 050,40
2016/05/12 16:24   MUR   Murray & Roberts Hldgs   50113   1214   R610 805,31
2016/05/13 9:24   MUR   Murray & Roberts Hldgs   -50113   1282   -R642 328,66
2016/05/13 9:24   AGL   ANGLO AMERICAN PLC   5443   12583   R687 632,26
2016/05/16 9:03   AGL   ANGLO AMERICAN PLC   -5443   12574   -R684 282,82
2016/05/19 15:14   GFI   GOLD FIELDS LTD   22349   6062   R1 360 215,57
2016/05/23 11:22   GFI   GOLD FIELDS LTD   -22349   6309   -R1 409 878,41
2016/05/23 11:23   DRD   DRD Gold Ltd   172856   800   R1 388 379,39
2016/05/23 15:42   DRD   DRD Gold Ltd   -172856   786   -R1 358 528,16
2016/05/23 15:42   PPC   PPC Limited   121586   1117   R1 363 548,08
2016/05/25 9:55   PPC   PPC Limited   -121586   1117   -R1 357 995,62
2016/05/25 9:57   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   29758   4568   R1 364 782,82
2016/06/06 15:13   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   -29758   5075   -R1 510 098,50
2016/06/06 15:14   SOL   Sasol Limited   2079   43160   R900 885,59
2016/06/20 16:23   SOL   Sasol Limited   -2079   40777   -R847 633,83
2016/06/20 16:23   DRD   DRD Gold Ltd   110941   769   R856 548,84
2016/06/21 13:17   DRD   DRD Gold Ltd   -110941   784   -R869 657,44
2016/06/21 13:17   HAR   Harmony GM Co Ltd   18327   4654   R856 3

Patrick it is confusing but leave it as is.But competitors should inform you when their account has been doubled to be fair to other participants. :)
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Post by: Bread on July 09, 2016, 03:19:03 pm
gcr, I couldn't find the dividend article on Moneyweb so if you could post it here for me I'd appreciate it. Instead, I found this one that places an interesting and, for me, a new perspective on Trump and Brexit -

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-opinion/soapbox/freedom-is-receding-around-the-world/
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Post by: gcr on July 09, 2016, 06:33:34 pm
Bread -
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/the-ups-and-downs-of-dividends/
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Post by: Bread on July 09, 2016, 07:08:15 pm
Thanks.
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Post by: chang9015 on July 10, 2016, 12:13:04 am
Hi, anyone still following ADI? Just had a look but couldnt find end June 2016 results?
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Post by: chang9015 on July 10, 2016, 12:20:46 am
nvm.. i'm a month too early lol
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Post by: jaDEB on July 11, 2016, 09:45:31 am
Morning
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Post by: Orca on July 11, 2016, 10:12:43 am
ADI. June interim results:
Interim Earnings per Share (EPS) improved by 43%. Divies only paid out at year end report.
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Post by: Patrick on July 11, 2016, 02:54:48 pm
How were the celebrations last night Orca?
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Post by: gcr on July 11, 2016, 02:55:45 pm
Let me say up front I don't invest in property (other than my primary residence) nor do I invest in REIT's - however I just want to open a conversation here around property investments and REIT's since the advent of BREXIT. The Sensational Slimes this weekend carried many opinions of the impact of BREXIT on prices of homes in Britain, Property Developers (Capital and Counties was mentioned) and that they expect prices to fall off quite considerably over the next few months until solutions are found on the actual exit of Britain from the EU.
Those forumites who are involved in property investing could you give your opinions as to whether there is going to be a correction in housing prices, and even property development.
A reality down the road could well be that British companies with offices in Europe may be forced to/may decide to close these offices and move the staff back to Britain, however if the staff are local then they may well not relocate. It could also go the other way whereby these foreign countries deny the British company from buying/hiring office space in their respective countries - thus forcibly closing the foreign office. I don't know that it is going to get that nasty but it is a scenario that could occur.
This could potentially be an opportunity to buy a home in Britain if prices fall substantially, but then again looking at the Tour d France and some of the landscape the cyclists are riding through (especially France) their quaint villages look very tempting
   
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Post by: czc on July 11, 2016, 03:09:12 pm
So investec now owns 5% of ADI shares
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Post by: Orca on July 11, 2016, 03:49:12 pm
@P. I couldn't believe the noise. It started as a wave from distant suburbs and then hit my area. I never knew so many people lived here as they all flooded out into the streets blowing vuvuzellas and jingling tins with marbles in. Hooters blowing constantly, fireworks lit the skies. People hugging complete strangers. This carried on for 2 solid hours and then the official fireworks started in the old town and we could see it from our balcony. What a marvelous site to behold.
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Post by: Orca on July 11, 2016, 04:01:00 pm
@gcr. The Brits in the Benidorm area in the south of Spain and in Portugal's Algarve are already thinking of selling. They can no longer afford their bonds as they get paid in GBP's. These will become very cheap over time.
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Post by: Samurai on July 11, 2016, 07:08:10 pm
Looking better :)
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Post by: Nivek on July 12, 2016, 09:08:02 am
Why is the rand strengthening so much?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 12, 2016, 10:06:14 am
Dollar weakness? perhaps
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Post by: Patrick on July 12, 2016, 10:08:17 am
My money is out, just did the deal @ R14.45, I'm happy with that.
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Post by: Orca on July 12, 2016, 12:10:18 pm
The USD is actually gaining in strength but the ZAR is gaining at a higher pace. EM's are back in favor again.
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Post by: Samurai on July 12, 2016, 12:20:35 pm
Dont understand whats happening right now, two weeks ago I was 63 now 17 on leader board. just glad Woolies and CFR is slowly turning up again...
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 12, 2016, 02:10:23 pm
That not a bad rate Patrick - could quite as easily have been R15.50 +
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Post by: Patrick on July 12, 2016, 04:38:48 pm
Yeah, if you offered me that 6 months ago I would have told you it was wishful thinking.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 12, 2016, 05:37:33 pm
KIO/EXX :)
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Post by: chang9015 on July 12, 2016, 08:15:25 pm
@orca.. are those ADI results are for 2015 by any chance? as I cant find 2016 SENS anywhere... =/
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Post by: chang9015 on July 12, 2016, 08:19:39 pm
Aye.. okay those are interim results. waiting on finals :)
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Post by: Patrick on July 14, 2016, 08:29:36 am
Morning everyone. Two days of work before I get some leave :)
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Post by: Orca on July 14, 2016, 10:17:34 am
Are you going away or are you going to stare at your portfolio at home?
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Post by: Patrick on July 14, 2016, 10:36:10 am
Away, UK, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Hungary, by plane, train and bike. Can't wait!
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Post by: Nivek on July 14, 2016, 12:20:20 pm
R14.26/$
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Post by: Samurai on July 14, 2016, 12:56:24 pm
Nivek I hope the ZAR might even go beneath R13 as the Samurai needs a new Gi from Japan :)
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Post by: Samurai on July 14, 2016, 12:56:53 pm
CFR looking up :)
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Post by: Samurai on July 15, 2016, 04:37:17 pm
CFR down today :(
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Post by: Patrick on July 15, 2016, 11:38:30 pm
Reports of a coup in Turkey, should be another interesting week next week.
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Post by: Orca on July 16, 2016, 02:38:38 pm
When the news first came out, the ZAR flipped and lost 20c in minutes.
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Post by: Cornand on July 16, 2016, 03:39:14 pm
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Post by: Moonraker on July 16, 2016, 04:42:29 pm
Maybe. But mainly due to USA data.
Retail sales, manufacturing reports give Fed scope to tighten.
Traders see a 38 percent probability the U.S. central bank will raise interest rates by year-end, up from 35 percent Thursday, as the economy shows signs of resilience.
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Post by: Orca on July 18, 2016, 10:39:20 am
JSE sees record foreign buying. Moneyweb.
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Post by: Patrick on July 18, 2016, 11:02:07 am
What do you think the driver is Orca? Do they suspect local conditions will improve, or is it just an increase in risk appetite?
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Post by: Orca on July 18, 2016, 11:32:01 am
No yields seen in developed markets. http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/jse-sees-record-foreign-buying/
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Post by: Snapcase on July 18, 2016, 06:03:31 pm
@Patrick, could you show me how it all works out with Magash and similar with borrowed money?

He was able to buy R1 619 789,75 worth of ACL, where he should have been able to buy R966 997,82 worth of it (just that total minus his -R652k).

Now ACL is up 8.16%, so he's made R132 174,84 profit.  Whereas he should have only been able to make R78 907,02.  Thats a gain of R53k for nothing.

So when you say it'll all even out when he sells, how are you taking into account that R53k extra? Its an error of 7.6% on his % growth stat.


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Post by: Patrick on July 18, 2016, 09:39:02 pm
You're right snapcase, it wasn't quite fair. He basially had access to leverage. In this case leverage worked to his advantage, but it could also have worked to his detriment. I'm open to suggestions as to how to deal with errors in future if you have any.
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Post by: gcr on July 18, 2016, 10:33:23 pm
Not having followed this debate, but, is it not possible to unwind the whole transaction and then re create the transaction as it should have happened. Not sure if you purchase prices are hard coded - this could be a problem if they are
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Post by: Snapcase on July 19, 2016, 10:13:57 am
Yeah its not trivial by any means, especially with your fees calc on top.  Plus without knowing how your scripts and DB work together, even more difficult.

The easiest way is probably to manually adjust the number of shares the person was allowed to purchase in the first place.  You'd have to work out that number working backwards from the double sell amount, and factor in the fees as well.

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Post by: Snapcase on July 19, 2016, 11:29:23 am
And agree with Brad...something went whack with FSD's account around the 19th of May, he magically had access to double his money and has been making some good gains there from it.  That'll be a complete nightmare to fix, haha.
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Post by: Orca on July 19, 2016, 12:38:06 pm
Those that knowingly take advantage of this type of error should be punished by a fine exceeding the amount made by the error. Is this not "cheating"?
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Post by: gcr on July 19, 2016, 01:54:22 pm
I think the situation should be fully investigated, and the facts drawn out before making disparaging comments or labeling someone a cheat - let sanity prevail over emotion 8)
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Post by: Snapcase on July 19, 2016, 03:33:54 pm
Agreed...there are no prizes for the Investment Challenge luckily, so we all do this for fun and appreciate what Patrick has put in behind the scenes.

These kinds of things just nag at me, like a crooked picture frame.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2016, 03:36:24 pm
Shareholders are therefore advised that MTN expects to report negative basic headline earnings per share
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Post by: gcr on July 19, 2016, 04:06:50 pm
Shareholders are therefore advised that MTN expects to report negative basic headline earnings per share
Yup and the trades show it all 8.1 million trans; R 1.134 billion
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Post by: Patrick on July 19, 2016, 06:28:00 pm
Sorry about that folks, my virtual server went down and wouldn't come back up. Apparently something to do with the server power state being out of sync...
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Post by: Orca on July 19, 2016, 06:32:49 pm
I hope you have someone there to reset it while you guys are in Europe if it happens again. jaDEB would go stark raving mad otherwise. :)
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Post by: Patrick on July 19, 2016, 06:42:24 pm
Haha, they've told me that it's a hypervisor issue on this server, so they're going to move my virtual environment to another. Sometime between now and in 6 hours there will be 12 minutes of downtime...
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Post by: jaDEB on July 20, 2016, 07:56:15 am
12 minutes, what do u want me to do for 12 minutes.... FFS
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Post by: jaDEB on July 20, 2016, 04:54:25 pm
Frikkie is at BHP/LON/KIO/AGL today :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on July 21, 2016, 10:58:47 am
I do not get these investors, yesterday commodity shares dropped +/- 5%, now back up again.
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Post by: Orca on July 21, 2016, 12:37:30 pm
It is not the "investors" but the "traders". Commodities are for trading and not investing.
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Post by: Q on July 21, 2016, 12:42:15 pm
can anyone point me to easy equities tfsa approved etf's to choose from
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Post by: Q on July 21, 2016, 01:43:29 pm
thanks stealthywealth - no Gold etf's to choose, damn
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Post by: jaDEB on July 21, 2016, 03:46:29 pm
South African Reserve Bank leaves repo rate unchanged at 7.0 percent
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Post by: Q on July 21, 2016, 03:48:09 pm
lol ZAR R14.20
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Post by: gcr on July 21, 2016, 04:27:10 pm
How to go from position +/-174 to 341 - simple someone zeroed my Bid Corp share price
Do we have a stand in administrator while Patrick is away?
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Post by: Orca on July 21, 2016, 04:38:10 pm
BIL share price is 0 in the competition.
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Post by: Orca on July 21, 2016, 04:44:13 pm
Oh. Been fixed now. Thanks.
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Post by: gcr on July 21, 2016, 06:35:12 pm
Mine too - thanks to whoever attended to the error
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Post by: zizebra on July 21, 2016, 09:06:23 pm
investing is stressfull.  iam yet to make profit
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Post by: jaDEB on July 22, 2016, 07:53:42 am
Hang in there, it will get better as you learn :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 22, 2016, 10:18:29 am
Even if you get poorer doing it...:)
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Post by: Patrick on July 22, 2016, 10:25:39 am
Hello from Heathrow everyone, on my way to Belgium now.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 22, 2016, 10:29:06 am
Bastard !! :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 22, 2016, 12:13:12 pm
Save travels, make awwwwsum memories! :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 22, 2016, 05:59:23 pm
DiviT - wondered if you caught the sens after close - Gooderson Leisure Corporation Limited - Misappropriation Of Funds
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Post by: dividendtycoon on July 22, 2016, 09:14:47 pm
DiviT - wondered if you caught the sens after close - Gooderson Leisure Corporation Limited - Misappropriation Of Funds
@Mr_Dividend. Yes, just seen that, pretty shocking. I wonder if they already knew and the delisting is a way of avoiding too much embarrassment, combined with being able to buy the assets cheap. I think it will still go ahead, but does cause a little uncertainty..
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Post by: jaDEB on July 24, 2016, 08:35:59 pm
JSE computer error massively overstated foreign buying over last three months
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2016, 09:13:24 pm
Do you have a source jaDEB?
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2016, 09:13:28 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on July 24, 2016, 09:47:21 pm
https://twitter.com/SimonPB
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Post by: jaDEB on July 24, 2016, 09:50:43 pm
https://twitter.com/rationalhill/status/757248788796932100?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Post by: jaDEB on July 25, 2016, 07:57:17 am
Verizon Communications Inc. will announce plans to buy Yahoo’s core assets for a bit more than $4.8 billion before the market opens, said two people with direct knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public
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Post by: jaDEB on July 26, 2016, 08:10:56 am
KIO - HEPS of R3 billion, R9.41 per share, up 20%  
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 26, 2016, 10:09:30 pm
I traded more today than the entire Zim stock exchange. :)
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Post by: Orca on July 27, 2016, 03:02:05 pm
Stocked up with food and beer for 6 days as we sit out the heatwave here.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 27, 2016, 04:29:42 pm
freezing down here in the Cape
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Post by: jaDEB on July 27, 2016, 05:13:31 pm
Here to JHB.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 27, 2016, 05:32:20 pm
Plat 1120
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Post by: Patrick on July 27, 2016, 06:42:25 pm
What did you buy Mr div?
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Post by: Bread on July 27, 2016, 09:10:26 pm
Anggold or Sappi? I've gone for Anggold in the Challenge and ABSA's punting Mondi.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2016, 07:37:07 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-27/sabmiller-said-to-order-halt-to-ab-inbev-integration-work
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 28, 2016, 08:07:35 am
Was running though some share stats and was surprised to see how bad VOD's stats are - first CGT sale anyway - but under R40K profit. Also sold RFG - up 50% with it, but no real dividend expected as well as I think I may be able to pick it up cheaper for my growth portfolio - which, BTW, will be enlarging quite a bit after really thinking about the benefits of CGT tax. Bought two overseas REITS - SCD and IAP. Obvious reasons I guess. But trying to move away from rands as when we do the travel thing, will all be in $
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2016, 12:16:11 pm
Mr Bond ?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 28, 2016, 04:00:51 pm
Sold OCE bought Abinbev
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Post by: Bread on July 28, 2016, 09:49:29 pm
Was running though some share stats and was surprised to see how bad VOD's stats are - first CGT sale anyway - but under R40K profit. Also sold RFG - up 50% with it, but no real dividend expected as well as I think I may be able to pick it up cheaper for my growth portfolio - which, BTW, will be enlarging quite a bit after really thinking about the benefits of CGT tax. Bought two overseas REITS - SCD and IAP. Obvious reasons I guess. But trying to move away from rands as when we do the travel thing, will all be in $
I'm a bit lost on the obvious reasons. IAP I can understand. But SCD? Please enlighten me.
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Post by: Orca on July 28, 2016, 10:03:09 pm
ZAR at 14.14 now. The lowest this year and may go down to my 13,7, my bet that I had some months ago. Sorry P. Still good to be outside of SA though for longer term.
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Post by: Lamak on July 28, 2016, 10:26:38 pm
im a millionaaaaire....whoop whoop...how is this possible
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Post by: Patrick on July 28, 2016, 11:10:08 pm
I still get paid in ZAR, so a stronger rand helps me, even though I converted when it was R14.30
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Post by: jaDEB on July 29, 2016, 02:59:17 pm
Rant @ R14.00
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Post by: Orca on July 29, 2016, 03:08:26 pm
A knee jerk reaction due to exports exceeding imports by R12,5bil. Expected was R7,2bil.
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Post by: Patrick on July 29, 2016, 03:27:08 pm
While I'm a little sad I didn't convert sub 14, I'll be moving most of my salary to $'s for the next year, so I'm still very happy to see the rates drop and hope they continue to drop..
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Post by: Moonraker on July 29, 2016, 04:38:29 pm
Strong R is poison for our market. Nearly 70% of JSE revenue derived from outside ZA
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Post by: Patrick on August 03, 2016, 07:40:11 am
Morning everyone, back at work again over here.
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2016, 10:33:33 am
Welcome back P. Perhaps we could start a new thread on "My holiday" where we can talk and post pics of our holidays.
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Post by: Patrick on August 03, 2016, 02:33:15 pm
Nice idea Orca, would be fun to see what everyone gets up to.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 03, 2016, 02:53:57 pm
US good preliminary jobs report. Will see whether confirmed by NFP on Friday.

ADP said private sector employment increased by 179,000 jobs in July after climbing by an upwardly revised 176,000 jobs in June. 170,000 were expected.
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2016, 07:11:16 pm
Yes P. Like... I show you mine and you show me yours. Hope MP will agree.  :TU:
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 04, 2016, 08:28:04 am
Sounds good, Make it so Number One. ;)
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Post by: Patrick on August 04, 2016, 09:20:55 am
Number One? Is Zuma around? Don't tell me the Guptas are going to be landing here soon ;)
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 04, 2016, 09:43:12 am
No, didn’t say Number One-nabe (wannabe).  I meant Jean-Luc Picard. :)
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Post by: Orca on August 04, 2016, 10:26:23 am
I am missing PGR dividend. I posted in the thread.
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Post by: Patrick on August 04, 2016, 10:55:45 am
Stick it in the first post of the thread Orca, that'll automatically add it to the table and you'll get the dividends on Saturday night.
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Post by: Orca on August 04, 2016, 12:51:38 pm
EuroNews. If ANC votes decline, it will become a referendum to oust Zuma.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 05, 2016, 01:44:50 pm
if you looking for something to watch, try this guy - very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA
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Post by: Moonraker on August 05, 2016, 02:32:42 pm
Very strong July US payrolls (rise to 255000).Watch Rand xchange
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Post by: Cornand on August 06, 2016, 02:17:52 pm
Ethos
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Post by: czc on August 08, 2016, 12:20:20 pm
whatever happened to those blackrock etfs that were supposed to come to SA
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Post by: Patrick on August 09, 2016, 04:37:18 pm
R13.42/$!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 09, 2016, 06:42:02 pm
Happy womans day Patrick
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Post by: Bread on August 09, 2016, 11:31:57 pm
Gold 1340
Dollar/Rand 13.40

When have you ever seen that?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 10, 2016, 07:37:50 am
Rant is back to Oct 2015
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Post by: jaDEB on August 10, 2016, 07:53:51 am
Dear jaDEB, please make up your f%$#ing mind. Then I am to weak, now I am to strong. Regards the Rand.
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Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2016, 03:14:37 pm
R13.25, anyone know when the last time was that the rand gained so much so quickly!
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Post by: czc on August 10, 2016, 05:48:44 pm
@Orca, hope you aren't close to the Portugal fires.
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Post by: Orca on August 10, 2016, 06:11:24 pm
Haven't seen the sun in 3 days due to the smoke. Left the windows open last night because of the heat and spent the whole morning dusting and sweeping the ash out. We are surrounded by mountains with dense pine forests.
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 11, 2016, 09:35:29 am
"...surrounded by mountains with dense pine forests"  Sounds amazingly beautiful
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Post by: MoneyChief on August 11, 2016, 04:12:26 pm
capital gains
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Post by: Moonraker on August 12, 2016, 09:29:25 am
@ MoneyChief ...... congratulations :)
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Post by: BussoV6 on August 12, 2016, 12:24:52 pm
Haven't seen the sun in 3 days due to the smoke. Left the windows open last night because of the heat and spent the whole morning dusting and sweeping the ash out. We are surrounded by mountains with dense pine forests.

Wow, sounds bad. I heard there are bad fires on Madeira, but I thought you were Lisbon part of the world.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 12, 2016, 01:08:32 pm
wHY IS ppc gOIng UP LIKes THAt ?
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Post by: Orca on August 12, 2016, 01:33:56 pm
Record high temps have caused over 100 fires in northern Portugal of which 11 are still out of control. The one in Madeira was arson. 
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Post by: Patrick on August 12, 2016, 01:38:53 pm
Looks like everything is up locally today, DIVTRX up nearly 2.5% today.
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Post by: Orca on August 12, 2016, 05:55:11 pm
Financials led the day.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 14, 2016, 10:38:11 am
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/a-talk-with-the-eff

A talk with the EFF

Flip Buys recounts his conversation with some Fighters during the election campaign
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Post by: Patrick on August 15, 2016, 08:37:01 am
This guy can run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEPNu6Yv2Yw
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 15, 2016, 09:01:52 am
Was that Wayde? Link shot but if it was, just wow!
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Post by: Patrick on August 15, 2016, 10:18:40 am
It was. He ran so fast he was off the screen till right at the end!
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Post by: Orca on August 15, 2016, 02:50:20 pm
First lane 8 winner ever.
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Post by: gcr on August 15, 2016, 03:37:48 pm
One thing about Wade van Niekerk and also the 100 metre SA sprinter is that they have been very quiet about their capabilities and to all intents and purposes humble in their approach to the big events. So refreshing compared to out cricketers and rugby player who seem to think they walk on water yet choke at every significant event in rugby and cricket
Well done the medal winners
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Post by: Orca on August 16, 2016, 11:51:03 am
BIL divi is in USD. Now what?
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Post by: Patrick on August 16, 2016, 12:20:17 pm
We'll have to convert to ZAR and add to the challenge
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2016, 01:00:34 pm
NPN and 10c :)
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Post by: yozzi on August 17, 2016, 04:04:18 pm
VWRD
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Post by: mackhoosen on August 21, 2016, 04:19:22 pm
agl
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Post by: jaDEB on August 22, 2016, 10:45:16 am
DRD getting clapped ...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 22, 2016, 04:22:35 pm
ZZZzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Patrick on August 22, 2016, 04:51:23 pm
It's quiet here today...
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Post by: Orca on August 22, 2016, 05:06:14 pm
Watching live feed of the voting in JHB.
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Post by: gcr on August 22, 2016, 05:54:53 pm
Watching live feed of the voting in JHB.
Yip - I was watching paint dry this afternoon as well :'(
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Post by: Nivek on August 23, 2016, 12:07:04 pm
This sounds like a really bad omen to me: http://www.bdlive.co.za/economy/2016/08/23/zuma-to-oversee-parastatal-strategy
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Post by: Patrick on August 23, 2016, 12:52:53 pm
What happened with DRD jaDEB? Just saw MP posted a 16%+ drop yesterday.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 23, 2016, 02:00:30 pm
DRD brought out update yesterday
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Post by: Q on August 23, 2016, 03:40:37 pm
With Gold being up 30% YTD, DRD goes ahead and announces a decrease of between 12% to 20% in earnings, Brilliant
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Post by: Orca on August 23, 2016, 06:04:56 pm
ZAR getting hammered.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2016, 06:23:25 pm
1.00 GBP   =   18.1071 ZAR  1.00 USD   =   13.7239 ZAR 18:20
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2016, 06:28:23 pm
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South African Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan has been ordered to report to a police investigative unit known as the "Hawks" by Thursday over allegations relating to a rogue tax unit, the Daily Maverick online news service said on Tuesday. The rand fell nearly three percent after the story was published but was one percent weaker by 1619 GMT. A Hawks spokesman said he "knows nothing" about the report.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2016, 06:46:49 pm
According to Daily Maverick, Gordhan, former deputy commissioner Ivan Pillay, group executive Johann van Loggerenberg and initial head of the investigative unit Andries van Rensburg have been ordered to report to the Hawks in Pretoria on Thursday.  When contacted by Business Day, Hawks spokesman Brig Hangwani Mulaudzi said "no comment". Mulaudzi told Daily Maverick that he did not have a "mandate to discuss any case or any confidential information attached to any case that is still under investigation. Any
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2016, 06:47:28 pm
? only "no comment"
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2016, 06:55:00 pm
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-08-23-breaking-sars-wars-endgame-hawks-order-pravin-gordhan-and-others-to-present-themselves/
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Post by: Patrick on August 23, 2016, 08:41:04 pm
He was waiting for the election to be over to do this. let's see if he gets away with it. I have a feeling he won't.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2016, 07:56:09 am
R14.03
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2016, 09:42:16 am
On the bright side for people still wanting to move money, you'd still get a better rate than I did!
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Post by: Moonraker on August 24, 2016, 10:59:50 am
Gordhan should have known 'the postman always rings twice'  :)
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Post by: Samurai on August 24, 2016, 02:04:07 pm
What the h#$% is happening to Woolies?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2016, 02:15:34 pm
Down 4%, sale maybe :). Sry let me know what u find
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2016, 02:16:19 pm
Funny day allover Sappi up 9%.
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Post by: Orca on August 24, 2016, 02:17:38 pm
DIVTRX set to drop more than 3% as banks loose 7%.
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2016, 05:20:12 pm
So Pravin is showing the hawks his middle finger. it's going to get really interesting...
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Post by: Orca on August 24, 2016, 06:11:38 pm
Pravin has the best legal think tanks holding his middle finger up.
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Post by: Bread on August 24, 2016, 06:22:29 pm
And there goes Spar - down 5.42%. Just when I was looking to exit and get the tax free Resilient divi - LDT 30 August  :wall:
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2016, 08:18:03 pm
RSA = Reload, change Foot, BANG !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2016, 09:09:25 am
Are we all ready for a interesting day?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2016, 09:33:18 am
:(
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Post by: Nivek on August 25, 2016, 09:47:14 am
There's a chinese curse that says may you live in interesting times
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2016, 04:39:35 pm
Rant @ R14.29
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Post by: Orca on August 25, 2016, 06:11:52 pm
Germany advises citizens to stockpile food, water and cash for 10 days.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 26, 2016, 09:40:53 am
Unfortunately it looks like Gordhan will be arrested soon.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2016, 10:16:17 am
Why Mr Bond, link?
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Post by: Moonraker on August 26, 2016, 10:29:42 am
http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/editorials/2016/08/26/editorial-get-ready-for-more-jitters
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2016, 10:52:26 am
Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on August 26, 2016, 11:36:51 am
Wonder why the rand hasn't reacted to that, priced in already?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 26, 2016, 01:59:27 pm
I thinkl cause it is Opinion, see link address.
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Post by: Bread on August 26, 2016, 02:53:47 pm
Fine line between fact and opinion. Just ask any member of the Flat Earth Society  :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on August 26, 2016, 05:41:27 pm
http://www.sharenet.co.za/news/South_Africas_credit_rating_to_be_cut_to_junk_this_year/8291e1bc4d63b76ac5c4e5f029c67fc9
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Post by: Bread on August 29, 2016, 09:35:17 am
http://www.sharenet.co.za/news/South_African_finance_minister_to_be_charged_with_graft__newspaper/4a302448ebc8bdf0eb37611e07d3fbdb
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Post by: Patrick on August 29, 2016, 09:50:57 am
I can't see this being pulled off. Zuma suppoerters have been far quieter than usual. It seems like when he messes with the coutries finances even his supporters come down on him. Should be a very interesting week.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 29, 2016, 11:49:38 am
Rant @ R14.47
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Post by: Bread on August 29, 2016, 01:05:54 pm
I dunno. Where there's smoke there's fire. And every time there's bad news about it the financials will take another knock. And Spar   :frustrated:
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Post by: Orca on August 29, 2016, 07:15:34 pm
Time to buy STXIND again. Beating DIVTRX by 5% over 1 month.
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Post by: Nivek on August 30, 2016, 08:20:13 am
That 5% is purely rand weakness. If you think the rand will weaken further, then the indi is the right one to buy.
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Post by: Orca on August 30, 2016, 09:39:29 am
The INDI has turned upwards despite the ZAR dropping due to foreigners exiting and dropping the ZAR.
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Post by: Bread on August 30, 2016, 11:18:47 am
https://unitedwithisrael.org/report-new-waves-of-isis-jihadis-sent-to-attack-europe/
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Post by: Hamster on August 30, 2016, 11:34:22 am
STXIND - how you buy Naspers in your TFSA.
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Post by: Patrick on August 30, 2016, 04:22:28 pm
hahaha!
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Post by: Bread on August 31, 2016, 08:36:41 am
In the Investor Challenge, is the divi added after the 15% tax has been deducted? Because a divi paid by a REIT, in my case Resilient, is not subject to the tax.
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2016, 09:39:07 am
Yes after tax Bread. While REITs aren't subject to Divvie tax, they are to income tax which is 30% in the game, so theoretically, I need to subtract another 15% from the REIT dividend ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 31, 2016, 10:26:55 am
SARS even gets us in play play land :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on August 31, 2016, 10:32:17 am
@Patrick. 30% only  applies when selling at a profit. No div. tax on REITS, so I don't understand extra 15%
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Post by: Bread on August 31, 2016, 10:54:01 am
No, Patrick. You must only take off the 30%. Not the 15% because its a REIT.

Are you taking off 30% per trade, on selling, or at the end of the year?
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Post by: Hamster on August 31, 2016, 11:09:29 am
/call FSB ombudsman  :mad:
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Post by: jaDEB on August 31, 2016, 11:21:25 am
#Patrickmustfall  :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2016, 11:57:26 am
Haha, am I wrong? I thought the income from REITS gets added to your annual income and taxed at the marginal rate. Will go read. Does SARS have to pay penalties to us when they're wrong or is it just the other way around?
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2016, 11:59:24 am
"There are two key parts to this. Firstly, it means that the 15% dividends withholding tax that is applied to dividends paid out by ordinary shares does not apply to distributions from REITs.  Instead they are included in the recipient’s taxable income with no exemptions. So the full amount is taxed at the shareholder’s normal tax rate." http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/reit-investments-and-tax/
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Post by: Moonraker on August 31, 2016, 04:14:16 pm
S. Africa’s Biggest Debt Manager Halts Loans to State Firms.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-31/south-africa-s-biggest-debt-manager-halts-loans-to-state-firms-isiw5p8u

"Africa’s biggest private fixed-income money manager will stop lending money to six of South Africa’s largest state companies because it’s concerned about how they are being run, government infighting and threats to the independence of the finance ministry."
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Post by: Bread on August 31, 2016, 04:23:22 pm
Yes, Patrick. The way I understand it is the full amount, i.e. the recipient's taxable income for the year including dividends from REITs, is added up and taxed at the shareholder's normal tax rate.

Does the taxman deduct the normal tax rate for every trade? If he did, and I traded 10 times in the year, then I would pay 130% tax. I'm under the impression, as a provisional taxpayer, that all my profits and losses get added up at the end of the year, added to my other taxable income including divis from REITs, and the total taxed at my normal rate. I am fairly positive I am correct.
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Post by: Samurai on August 31, 2016, 05:23:53 pm
Woolies???
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Post by: Patrick on August 31, 2016, 05:28:19 pm
Hey Bread, the taxman only takes 30% of your profits when ranking you on the leaderboard. No money is actually removed from any accounts. In theory though, i should take give you 15% more cash for your REIT dividend, and then subtract 30% of that on the leaderboard only.
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Post by: Bread on September 01, 2016, 06:28:49 am
OK, so if we're on the same page..........no tax is taken off from REIT divis ever, other divis are taxed at 15% when they're added, no tax is taken when I sell at a profit during the course of the year, but the final tally of all profit for all trades is taken off at 30% at the end of the year. Correct?
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2016, 07:48:43 am
Almost, at year end we shoud tax the reit divvie 30%, but for now we can fix it manually by adding another dividend of 0.203 * the original dividend to the REITs.
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2016, 07:54:03 am
Ok fixed and added to the LDT/divi system
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 09:43:54 am
Mr P down another 6%
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Post by: 100ways on September 01, 2016, 10:24:35 am
Just bought Mr P
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 10:43:02 am
Nice, your big b@lls is in isle 5 behind the shirts
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 10:51:55 am
In real or in investor challenge
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Post by: gcr on September 01, 2016, 01:06:12 pm
I too bought MPR with my Sept allocation in the competition and in my real portfolio am trying to sell some shares in other companies to enable me to buy more MRP - so far their drop has cost me +/- R 138,000 in profits. I have no doubt they will return to previous prices - it may just take 6 months or so
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Post by: 100ways on September 01, 2016, 01:22:50 pm
Bought in Competition and clearly the droppe even further :mad: :wall:
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 01:46:02 pm
ALso bOughT MrP with SePt ALOCatiOn iN Compt.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 02:02:29 pm
Other Comp (DarkSide) I have DRD/DRD/NPN/NPN & BIL
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Post by: jaDEB on September 01, 2016, 02:54:55 pm
2nd lender not doing soe
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Post by: Bread on September 01, 2016, 04:29:44 pm
Almost, at year end we shoud tax the reit divvie 30%, but for now we can fix it manually by adding another dividend of 0.203 * the original dividend to the REITs.

Patrick, in real life the REIT divi is never taxed. That is the attraction. It is only added to the total profits for the year and THAT amount is taxed, not the divi portion on it's own. Otherwise, there would be no point in establishing a Trust, let alone a Real Estate Trust. The dividends, or profit distribution, from a Trust are not taxed.
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2016, 08:16:08 pm
ok, I'm still trying to get my head around it. It does make reits seem quite attractive
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Post by: Patrick on September 01, 2016, 08:16:46 pm
does the same apply to property ETFs?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 01, 2016, 08:43:08 pm
MrP has hurt my main portfolio a bit - almost back to my avg cost. That said, have added quite a few to my CFD account - jumped a bit early though and avg cost around R181.
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Post by: Bread on September 02, 2016, 06:40:59 am
I'm not 100% sure but it would seem to me that the ETF shouldn't make any difference. No matter how the REIT divi is packaged there is still no tax and any institution that claims otherwise is probably taking it for itself, similar to what ABSA Stockbrokers do.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2016, 10:11:47 am
I enJoyEd Stealthy Wealth's new blog posT. :)
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Post by: Moonraker on September 02, 2016, 12:32:51 pm
Almost, at year end we shoud tax the reit divvie 30%, but for now we can fix it manually by adding another dividend of 0.203 * the original dividend to the REITs.

Patrick, in real life the REIT divi is never taxed. That is the attraction. It is only added to the total profits for the year and THAT amount is taxed, not the divi portion on it's own. Otherwise, there would be no point in establishing a Trust, let alone a Real Estate Trust. The dividends, or profit distribution, from a Trust are not taxed.
Yes, Bread that is correct. Code 4238 on the tax return. Treated like local interest.
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Post by: Bread on September 02, 2016, 01:26:34 pm
Almost, at year end we shoud tax the reit divvie 30%, but for now we can fix it manually by adding another dividend of 0.203 * the original dividend to the REITs.

Patrick, in real life the REIT divi is never taxed. That is the attraction. It is only added to the total profits for the year and THAT amount is taxed, not the divi portion on it's own. Otherwise, there would be no point in establishing a Trust, let alone a Real Estate Trust. The dividends, or profit distribution, from a Trust are not taxed.
Yes, Bread that is correct. Code 4238 on the tax return. Treated like local interest.

Thank you, Moonraker.
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on September 02, 2016, 01:58:58 pm
I enJoyEd Stealthy Wealth's new blog posT. :)
Thank you! P.s. Patrick you are late with this months blog post :-P
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Post by: Strive on September 02, 2016, 02:07:32 pm
Hi Stealthy, like the blog! Although, heads up, you may want to fix your signature, the link has a misspelling  :TU:
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Post by: Moonraker on September 02, 2016, 02:32:36 pm
US NFP's disappointed @151000 - Probably no Sept. rates increase
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Post by: jaDEB on September 02, 2016, 02:42:39 pm
Ja nice, now rant recovering R14.42...
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Post by: Patrick on September 02, 2016, 03:43:37 pm
Damn I know, here's the preview: www.investorchallenge.co.za/com_calc_fire.php You're quite brave to put up the figures like that, I've considered it, but not sure I'm ready to yet...
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on September 02, 2016, 07:53:35 pm
Thanks Strive! Poor form on my part
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Post by: Vu2603 on September 02, 2016, 11:26:06 pm
buy shares
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Post by: Bread on September 03, 2016, 11:22:23 am
buy shares

Which shares Vu2603?
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2016, 07:35:35 am
I've heard stealthy has just become a dad. Congrats Mr wealth :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 04, 2016, 03:43:16 pm
nice one Stealthy.
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on September 05, 2016, 12:05:51 pm
Thanks guys! Lots of fun running on 2 hrs sleep...
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Post by: gcr on September 05, 2016, 02:31:49 pm
Thanks guys! Lots of fun running on 2 hrs sleep...
Congrats stealth - if you are a father to a daughter then get used to the shortened sleep time - when they get to about 13 you will be all night waiting for her to be brought home safely. If a boy you will get the sleep you need as he will be some ones else parents problem :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on September 05, 2016, 08:35:26 pm
Sterling made good gains but the ZAR beats it by far.
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Post by: siseko on September 06, 2016, 08:17:23 am
naspers
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 12:18:26 pm
Any1 rember Tigon?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 12:18:41 pm
remember*
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 12:21:09 pm
SA staves off technical recession, economy grows 3.3% in Q2. The strong Rant is going to kick my @ss
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2016, 01:29:41 pm
 The ZAR will now play catchup to other EM currencies that have done well. Developed markets fleeing from their negative interest rates to EM's.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 01:31:49 pm
I have faith in our leaders to weakin the rant again :)
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2016, 02:23:29 pm
Nee Boet. Nomber 1 en sy mede swendelaars vleg piele in China vir 'n paar dae.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 06, 2016, 02:34:40 pm
Dis alreeds ietwat swakker - gebeur elke keer as JaDEB na hom verwys. JaDEB moet 'n gemengde portefeulje bou sodat hy nie net baat as die R verswak.  ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 03:04:34 pm
lol - Lag ek lekker :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 03:30:50 pm
Van gelag kom huil...ne
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 03:53:29 pm
^%$### R14.13
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Post by: Moonraker on September 06, 2016, 03:54:32 pm
Jy moet weer na die ou verwys. Doen dit en jy sal sien .
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 04:02:48 pm
When is Zuma returning to Nkandla to discuss Gordhan and Banking sector and Rating / Junk status.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 06, 2016, 04:23:56 pm
Bit of $ weakness creeping in, rather than ultra strong Runt. Jammer dit het klaarblyklik nie gewerk. Goeie Genade !
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2016, 04:25:03 pm
Dunno but looks like we will see sub 14 within hours. Unless we get profit taking after the 2%+ gain today.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2016, 04:26:54 pm
It cool, it is better for RSA. :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 06, 2016, 04:37:26 pm
Yep, I'm still taking money offshore every month, I want a stronger rand! If Zuma goes sometime soon we'll be below R13. But for now this article is the only thing that makes sense: http://www.rdm.co.za/politics/2016/09/06/zuma-is-not-captured.-the-reality-is-far-worse
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Post by: Moonraker on September 06, 2016, 05:14:20 pm
A gauge of the dollar dropped by the most in five weeks after a report showed America’s service industries expanded in August at the weakest pace in six years, damping the outlook for higher U.S. interest rates.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 06, 2016, 05:15:46 pm
The U.S. currency fell against most of its major counterparts, including high-yielding peers such as the Australian dollar and South African rand.
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2016, 07:55:51 pm
The 14.00 area seems to be a barrier as it bounced off it twice now. Profit taking.
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2016, 08:55:32 pm
ZAR went sub 14 a few minutes ago. As per P's post, Z won't open his mouth to send it back up.
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Post by: Bread on September 06, 2016, 11:07:27 pm
Ront 13.97
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Post by: jaDEB on September 07, 2016, 07:24:21 am
Oh MR Zuma. Please give us your opinion about ,mmmm, anything. speak your mind. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 07, 2016, 08:56:40 am
Heh, heh, heh, R13.98
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Post by: Samurai on September 07, 2016, 07:09:22 pm
What I am number 7??? Whoa
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2016, 10:01:56 am
APN getting a hiding.
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Post by: czc on September 08, 2016, 10:54:48 am
Why is APN dropping?
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Post by: 100ways on September 08, 2016, 10:57:48 am
Dunno, but bought for the competition.... please turn up :TU:
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2016, 11:01:15 am
Trading update...
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Post by: czc on September 08, 2016, 12:48:15 pm
APN: Currency loss of R870 million
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Post by: Moonraker on September 08, 2016, 02:29:30 pm
€ strengtens against all as ECB no change. R weakens a little on crosses, probably also due to weak manufacturing data:-
South Africa's manufacturing output expanded by 0.4 percent year-on-year in July, well below expectations after rising by a revised 4.7 percent in June, Statistics South Africa said on Thursday.
On a month-on-month basis, factory production was down 1.5 percent, but rose 1.7 percent in the three months to July compared with the previous three months.
A Reuters poll of economists had expected the headline figure to show manufacturing grew by 3 percent.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 08, 2016, 06:03:57 pm
rANT r14.10
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Post by: Orca on September 08, 2016, 06:43:29 pm
Ja. ZAR confused at what direction to take. It is looking at the politicians next move.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 09, 2016, 09:03:49 am
Rant @ R14.26
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Post by: gcr on September 09, 2016, 09:57:38 am
PTXTEN - last night I attended a talk on wealth creation at the JSE. One of the counters that came up was this Property tracking counter. My broker/JSE platform gives very little detail on this counter other than its quarterly distribution which seems fairly erratic with dividends ranging between 11 cents and +/-32 cents over 2015/6. Looking at SENS they listed 150,000 securities on 16/8/2016 only to delist 200,000 on 2/9/2016 - there are quite a number of occasions where securities are listed/delisted.
Can anybody throw some light on this index and whether they are holders in their own portfolios (not competition portfolio)
Thanks
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Post by: Hamster on September 09, 2016, 11:04:55 am
PTXTEN - last night I attended a talk on wealth creation at the JSE. One of the counters that came up was this Property tracking counter. My broker/JSE platform gives very little detail on this counter other than its quarterly distribution which seems fairly erratic with dividends ranging between 11 cents and +/-32 cents over 2015/6. Looking at SENS they listed 150,000 securities on 16/8/2016 only to delist 200,000 on 2/9/2016 - there are quite a number of occasions where securities are listed/delisted.
Can anybody throw some light on this index and whether they are holders in their own portfolios (not competition portfolio)
Thanks

I do..

http://coreshares.co.za/products/coreshares-proptrax-ten-ptxten/

Basically take the top 10 property shares and creates an equally weighted (+- 10% each) ETF from it. Quarterly payouts and rebalancing.
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Post by: gcr on September 09, 2016, 01:02:31 pm
PTXTEN - last night I attended a talk on wealth creation at the JSE. One of the counters that came up was this Property tracking counter. My broker/JSE platform gives very little detail on this counter other than its quarterly distribution which seems fairly erratic with dividends ranging between 11 cents and +/-32 cents over 2015/6. Looking at SENS they listed 150,000 securities on 16/8/2016 only to delist 200,000 on 2/9/2016 - there are quite a number of occasions where securities are listed/delisted.
Can anybody throw some light on this index and whether they are holders in their own portfolios (not competition portfolio)
Thanks

I do..

http://coreshares.co.za/products/coreshares-proptrax-ten-ptxten/

Basically take the top 10 property shares and creates an equally weighted (+- 10% each) ETF from it. Quarterly payouts and rebalancing.
Thanks Hamster
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Post by: Orca on September 09, 2016, 05:42:22 pm
EM's soar this year. Brazil up over 90% despite being downgraded to junk. Russia up over 50% and SA by a mere 7%.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 09, 2016, 06:28:03 pm
Don't write off a FED rate increase this month.
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Post by: Patrick on September 09, 2016, 06:31:55 pm
Is that the mrket increases or currency increases Orca? Any link?
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Post by: Orca on September 09, 2016, 07:22:27 pm
http://citywire.co.uk/money/emerging-markets-roar-and-oil-soars-as-us-stutters/a947366?re=42087&ea=394747&utm_source=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary&utm_medium=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary&utm_campaign=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary
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Post by: Moonraker on September 11, 2016, 04:23:48 pm
DA to confront P.G. with this. When are we going to have a tax revolt ? (http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/stnews/2016/09/11/Revenue-service’s-No-2-probed-for-R1.2m-in-‘suspicious’-cash-deposits)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 12, 2016, 08:22:39 am
red day :'(
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Post by: Samurai on September 12, 2016, 11:50:41 am
Bloody red day, when I check my portifolio I had to reach for some gradpa powders...
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Post by: Samurai on September 12, 2016, 11:51:27 am
Woolies is making me cry, at least next week they will be paying divi's
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Post by: jaDEB on September 12, 2016, 12:01:27 pm
My ABN is positive :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 12, 2016, 12:27:17 pm
Damn, two weeks till payday so I can't buy now!
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Post by: jaDEB on September 12, 2016, 01:35:44 pm
Today is one of those days. Were u do not mind ending day in red, u just hope it does not end as red as it is now :'(
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Post by: Samurai on September 12, 2016, 04:08:00 pm
Yip hopefully by Friday it might start to look better.
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Post by: nickforpresident on September 12, 2016, 08:26:11 pm
PPC
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Post by: Orca on September 12, 2016, 09:50:44 pm
If we don't have a good day Tuesday you can all "smite" me.
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Post by: Orca on September 12, 2016, 09:52:07 pm
But not if Zuma opens his mouth.
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Post by: Samurai on September 13, 2016, 09:18:02 am
Well both Woolies and CFR looking slightly better this morning.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 13, 2016, 09:28:35 am
KIO getting hammered SARS again...
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Post by: jaDEB on September 13, 2016, 10:38:50 am
Here we go "Angry face" - negative again...some politician said something again...ffs
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Post by: jaDEB on September 13, 2016, 05:31:15 pm
ZZZzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Orca on September 14, 2016, 10:13:39 am
Is it a public holiday today? Cant get prices on Sharenet or my broker.
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Post by: Samurai on September 14, 2016, 10:24:44 am
/wish it was a public holliday, my picks or on a downward spiral
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Post by: Samurai on September 14, 2016, 10:25:07 am
Where's my grandpa powder???
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Post by: FransH on September 14, 2016, 02:25:58 pm
How about adding stratcorp and Ellies onto the List?
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Post by: Orca on September 14, 2016, 03:08:46 pm
Both are iliquid penny stocks. In real life you would not be able to buy Stratcorp for 1c.
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2016, 08:59:20 am
Morning everyone
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Post by: czc on September 15, 2016, 09:11:42 am
Ellies is surviving by the grace of Standard Bank at the moment.
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Post by: Nivek on September 15, 2016, 02:03:41 pm
And to think they once traded at R9+. If I remember, a few directors offloaded many shares at those prices.
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Post by: gcr on September 15, 2016, 03:08:25 pm
I think Ellies were hurt when they couldn't roll out their set top boxes with the TV migration, and then their quality assurance on their products became non existent - I today will not buy any of their products because they are worse than the imports ex China. I don't believe they will ever return to their former glory days - I am glad I exited their shares when they were around R 6.10 - but still made handsome profits
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Post by: Wille on September 18, 2016, 02:20:42 pm
DRD
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Post by: RARCA on September 18, 2016, 07:29:50 pm
options
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Post by: czc on September 19, 2016, 09:40:11 am
DRDGOLD increases dividend five-fold to 62 cents per share
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Post by: czc on September 19, 2016, 09:40:48 am
The contract offers the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to buy (call) or sell (put) a security
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2016, 10:00:49 am
NPN also paying divvie today I think?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2016, 10:01:14 am
Sorry :)
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Post by: czc on September 19, 2016, 10:22:27 am
My exposure to NPN is purely through STXIND
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Post by: Patrick on September 19, 2016, 12:15:03 pm
Come to the game park in Mozambique for the wedding said my sister in law. It'll be great, we'll stay in luxury tents, there's a pool to cool off in and we can have dinner under the stars. Right. Here's me in my shorts and light weight tracksuit top freezing my balls off before going to bed in a tent that doesn't close properly. And just for good measure you still get chowed by potentially Malaria carrying mosquitos! Stop complaining now Patrick, it's a lovely wedding...
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2016, 12:17:01 pm
Hey, at least u freezing your balls off enjoying a holiday. I will give my balls for a holiday. :'(
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Post by: Samurai on September 19, 2016, 01:43:44 pm
isn't woolies suppose to pay divi today?
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Post by: gcr on September 19, 2016, 01:51:28 pm
isn't woolies suppose to pay divi today?
My Woolies divi's in my private portfolio were paid by my brokers on Friday already, along with Bidcorp; Adaptit; Massmart; and Truworths
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Post by: jaDEB on September 19, 2016, 02:29:17 pm
R14.02 ... Frikkie !!!
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 20, 2016, 09:28:57 am
Whats up?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 20, 2016, 09:40:42 am
Nothing, the strong rand is hurting me !! :'(
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Post by: Orca on September 20, 2016, 09:46:51 am
The rand is still weak boet.
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 20, 2016, 09:46:59 am
That's just wrong.
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Post by: Orca on September 20, 2016, 11:02:44 am
Real value of ZAR should be 8,2.
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Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2016, 10:12:03 am
At R8.20 I'd probably cry about missed opportunities! I would have a huge $ salary though, but I'd have to work quite a few more years to make back what I missed out on by converting at 14.30. Where did you get that number? I always read that it should be somewhere between 11 and 12.
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Post by: Orca on September 21, 2016, 11:08:15 am
I read that in some financial site about 2 months ago. Think it was Moneyweb. Highly unlikely to get there though.
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Post by: Moonraker on September 21, 2016, 03:05:06 pm
What could also be supporting the R is ANB buying up R to pay SABMiller shareholders (the cash option).
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2016, 07:24:45 am
I have ANB & NPN, thus my one share is hurting my other share, I is hoping some politician says something/gets arrested/gets investigated to weaken the rant.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2016, 07:39:33 am
 :wall:
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2016, 12:50:42 pm
Patrick, something is wrong with the IC, it shows Magash's have Minus R452000 cash, are u using it pay your University fees?
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Post by: Moonraker on September 22, 2016, 01:16:39 pm
@Orca ABN have already forward covered their R purchases, so not  a reason for R strength past few days.
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2016, 02:29:07 pm
According to Moneyweb yesterday, the buying will carry on for "a few weeks".
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Post by: marguerittereed on September 22, 2016, 02:32:44 pm
A new forex idea?? http://view.ceros.com/moneyweb/the-investor-september-2016/p/11
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2016, 02:34:00 pm
Why is the JSE a Screamer today?
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2016, 02:34:54 pm
Bloomberg yesterday: "The bottom line: actual or speculated SABMiller-related flows will provide significant help to the rand for weeks to come.”
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2016, 02:52:47 pm
jaDEB. No rate hike by FED so good for USA stocks and we follow suit.
TOPI exceptionally oversold. Indicators show a reversal especially for commodities. Double bottom and 200MA confirms a short bull run.
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Post by: gcr on September 22, 2016, 03:11:10 pm
The way the All Share is performing today and the resilience of the Rand I don't see any repo rate adjustment today
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Post by: Patrick on September 23, 2016, 08:09:57 am
A new forex idea?? http://view.ceros.com/moneyweb/the-investor-september-2016/p/11
Thanks for the tip. I contacted them to see what their charges are. They wouldn't commit to a fixed spread, but said it's generally spot rate + 0.5%. They also have a R350 fee per transaction. That would make them cheaper than exchange4free (spot+1%) for large amounts, smaller amount will be quite similar I think, as exchange4free has a lower R120 fee for transaction under R100k.
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Post by: conradl on September 23, 2016, 10:03:54 am
Not sure about Std Bank spread, but Min fee is R140 or 0.51% and capped at R790 (excl the fees on the other side). Daylight robbers I say and they aren't interested in giving better rates above 100k. Patrick, have you used exchange4free? I think ill give ClickFX a try in my next offshore tranch.
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Post by: Patrick on September 24, 2016, 04:43:23 pm
FNB is around 2% over spot rate, I don't think any other banks will be much cheaper. I have used exchange4free, the service was good. ClickFX will be about R150 cheaper for a R100k transfer. I'll give them a try next year when my discretionary allowance renews.
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Post by: 100ways on September 26, 2016, 02:35:24 pm
Exchange4Free are really good. Moved cash offshore and on the Sterling/Rand rate they were few cents of the spot but no transfer fee to transfer the cash.
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Post by: Patrick on September 27, 2016, 08:47:10 am
Do you remember how far off spot rate they were perhaps? For my USD transactions the spot was R14.30 and I was given R14.45 as their rate.
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Post by: Orca on September 27, 2016, 07:47:38 pm
GBP/ZAR at the same value it was almost 3 years ago.
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Post by: Patrick on September 28, 2016, 11:03:40 am
USD at R13.47 looking good. Let's hope it stays here or goes lower by payday next month. That'll be my last offshore batch for the year.
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Post by: Orca on September 29, 2016, 11:18:12 am
Where on earth is jaDEB?
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Post by: Nivek on September 29, 2016, 02:46:47 pm
I've also wondered. It's very unlike him. jaaaaaaaDEEEEEEBBBB?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 30, 2016, 07:17:10 am
Is here, just took 2 days for RR, Played Overwatch and GTA V. ie saved the world, shoot people and picked up girls :)
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Post by: Nivek on September 30, 2016, 07:32:14 am
saved the world, shoot people and picked up girls :)
I call that Friday night  8)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 30, 2016, 07:42:54 am
lol...nice response
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Post by: jaDEB on October 03, 2016, 06:12:21 pm
Sold my DRD.... :'(
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Post by: yozzi on October 03, 2016, 06:14:38 pm
USD at R13.47 looking good. Let's hope it stays here or goes lower by payday next month. That'll be my last offshore batch for the year.

Where do you guys think the USD is headed? Will it reach R12.50?
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Post by: Nivek on October 04, 2016, 01:18:41 pm
Take your pic yozzi, Rencap says it will strengthen by 20-30% over the next two years, Nomura says it will hit R18 in a year: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/rencap-sees-south-african-rand-gaining-as-much-as-30-by-2018 :wtf:
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 02:45:47 pm
Sold DRD bought PPC .. start building people...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 02:51:33 pm
Patrick?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 04:00:20 pm
F^%$ me, gold tanking ...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 04:18:14 pm
I mean, Frikkie me, GOld is tANKing ...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 04:35:27 pm
Any1 here going to Rage this week end?
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Post by: Patrick on October 04, 2016, 05:38:48 pm
jaDEB?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2016, 05:41:38 pm
@ Patrick, getting lonely here :'(. See I is Second in the IC. :)
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Post by: Patrick on October 04, 2016, 05:58:40 pm
I see that. peaking at the right time! I've been consistently bad all year long :(
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Post by: Orca on October 04, 2016, 06:12:17 pm
My portfolio has gained a measly 11% YTD but the exchange rate gives me a gain of 22%. Not bad.
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Post by: Orca on October 05, 2016, 08:19:24 pm
No shouting today.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 06, 2016, 07:38:37 am
No, they started retrenchments here today..F^%$ it :'(
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on October 06, 2016, 07:42:34 am
Good luck, Jadeb
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 06, 2016, 10:47:40 am
Wow
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Post by: jaDEB on October 06, 2016, 11:11:47 am
Should have been a Stock broker, Jockey or Assasin...
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Post by: Moonraker on October 06, 2016, 12:27:24 pm
JaDEB ..Illegitimi non carborundum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum
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Post by: jaDEB on October 06, 2016, 03:36:28 pm
Thanks Mr Bond, no every one including Top is trying our best. But the Engineering industry is RSA is on their knees at the moment.
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Post by: Patrick on October 07, 2016, 12:36:15 pm
Not good jaDEB. Hopefully you avoid it, or otherwise get a monstrous package.
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Post by: Orca on October 07, 2016, 06:47:31 pm
Sorry to hear that Frikie is visiting your workplace now.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 10, 2016, 12:46:02 pm
ANB suspended, code changes tomorrw to ANH
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Post by: Snapcase on October 10, 2016, 04:29:58 pm
ACL though...phew
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Post by: Moonraker on October 11, 2016, 10:28:00 am
ZAR/USD = 14.20  why suddenly ?

Oh, Rand tanks on Gordhan summons news.
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/gordhan-receives-summons-for-fraud-report-20161011
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2016, 11:08:34 am
Stupid F%$#ing idiots ....
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Post by: gcr on October 11, 2016, 11:45:19 am
I see the termites are once again gnawing away at the ANC tree - I wonder if they will even be a creditable opposition party after 2019.Can't recall a single terrorist organization that turned to politics actually surviving the long term haul
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Post by: Patrick on October 11, 2016, 11:59:04 am
It takes 30 years on average to vote out a liberation movement, that would be 2024. A few very bad years economically could bring it forward to 2019.
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Post by: Patrick on October 11, 2016, 12:15:55 pm
Sigh, I was to move my last amount offshore for the year in 2 weeks time...
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Post by: Samurai on October 11, 2016, 02:06:22 pm
Why is Woolies plummeting south?
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Post by: gcr on October 11, 2016, 02:20:11 pm
I do believe banks and retaqil ops are all suffering from this last piece of lunacy. I hold Massmart, Mr Price, Pick n Pay,
Truworths, and Woolworths and they are all down 3.0% or more - the banks have had R 50 billion wiped off their capitalisation which is big number   
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Post by: Orca on October 11, 2016, 02:22:59 pm
The ANC has double standards in saying PG must co-operate with the NPA and not saying Zuma must co-operate with the PP.
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Post by: gcr on October 11, 2016, 03:48:39 pm
What I find extraordinary is the list of ministers making up the ministerial task force looking into student unrest at the uni's - the only missing acolyte seems to be Zwane - wonder if he is going to be reshuffled out of the cabinet. Where is Des van die rooi een
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Post by: yozzi on October 11, 2016, 06:22:52 pm
Guys would you be buying Dollars now?
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Post by: Orca on October 11, 2016, 08:37:04 pm
If PG gets the chop then yes but look back at the previous attempts and you will see how the ZAR regained it's value over a short time. You take your own gamble.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 12, 2016, 08:07:03 am
WHat have they in store for us today I wonder..
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Post by: Moonraker on October 12, 2016, 08:32:39 am
PG might get the chop. Excuse being that it is untenable to have a Fin Min facing corruption charges.
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Post by: Orca on October 12, 2016, 10:45:29 am
Zuma is also facing corruption charges.
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Post by: czc on October 13, 2016, 08:48:10 am
Good Santova trading statement out
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Post by: Orca on October 13, 2016, 09:38:41 pm
Zuma has applied for an interdict to the PP paper. Would he do so if he was innocent? His end is nigh.
No jaDEB. Not the "nigh" you are thinking of.
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Post by: czc on October 14, 2016, 09:41:19 am
And now Des Van Rooyen the Weekend Minister has also applied to interdict the PP
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Post by: joeman on October 14, 2016, 01:34:06 pm
After this postponement I don't see the PP's report ever being released or, at best, ever being the original version Thuli had prepared and signed.
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Post by: gcr on October 14, 2016, 03:38:25 pm
If Zuma, Des the Di&& and the ANC gang try and bury the report it will be curtains for them all. Thuli is a clever cookie - a copy has been lodged with the court - it has been sealed, but more importantly it bears her signature. I don't believe she is a sloppy operator and she would have probably interrogated every word and fact in the report, to ensure it has full weight.
Can't wait for the leaked copy to hit the internet - then the Zuma acolytes can really start their dancing and blessing ceremonies
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Post by: Moonraker on October 14, 2016, 03:44:52 pm
I like this...

South Africa Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan will not ask the state prosecutor to review fraud charges he is facing as it would be "pointless" to do so, his lawyers said on Friday, trimming the rand's rally.
"The main reason for his decision is that he does not have any confidence in the NDPP’s (National Director of Public Prosecutions) ability or willingness to afford him a fair hearing," the lawyers said in a statement.
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Post by: Orca on October 15, 2016, 08:09:57 pm
The NPA fired a 0,22 bullet at PG and PG fired a nuclear warhead back. PG has another one in his safe in the form of a dossier on Zuma as a backup.
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Post by: Patrick on October 16, 2016, 10:57:05 am
I wouldn't say it was a 0.22. The NPA has no case, they're firing blanks..
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Post by: gcr on October 16, 2016, 10:19:17 pm
If you want to see an interesting article then read
www.iol.co.za/news/politics/is-the-writing-on-the-wall-for-zuma-2080113
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Post by: Snapcase on October 17, 2016, 11:26:58 am
Hmm, all that from that small piece of handwriting...  
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Post by: gcr on October 17, 2016, 06:22:42 pm

Howa of Oak Bay resigns - citing ill health
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Post by: Hamster on October 18, 2016, 06:45:37 am
Hmm, all that from that small piece of handwriting...

As long as the masses believe it and it in some way helps getting him out of the office (even better, in jail) then I'm ok with it.
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Post by: Patrick on October 18, 2016, 02:58:03 pm
Very true Hamster, it's not fact but belief that rules. Worries me about Trump though.
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Post by: Orca on October 18, 2016, 03:17:40 pm
No worries there P. Trump will not win and Wikileaks has long lost it's credibility.
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Post by: Patrick on October 18, 2016, 07:08:20 pm
R13.90. Lately I take the rand as a scorecard in the current government boxing match. Looks like PG is in front.
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Post by: Orca on October 18, 2016, 08:46:09 pm
Indeed. What I love the most is that the ZAR has gained 1.9% to the Euro today and attenuates my gains to 3.6% in my portfolio.
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Post by: Hamster on October 18, 2016, 09:42:07 pm
Very true Hamster, it's not fact but belief that rules. Worries me about Trump though.
If Trump wins buy shares in CNN's holding company
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Post by: jaDEB on October 19, 2016, 09:20:49 am
http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/reason-for-the-rands-volatility-revealed-20161019
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Post by: Moonraker on October 20, 2016, 10:01:20 am
What's with Fin24 domain - down since yesterday for me.
Just come alive now.  :)
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Post by: Patrick on October 20, 2016, 10:42:44 am
I had the same problem. It was intermittent though, so you just have to keep trying.
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Post by: gcr on October 20, 2016, 10:46:45 am
I had the same problem. It was intermittent though, so you just have to keep trying.
+1
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Post by: Moonraker on October 20, 2016, 10:58:12 am
Yes thanks. You can check a site anytime  http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
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Post by: Patrick on October 21, 2016, 07:52:32 am
SA to leave the ICC and the confirmed reports that the new public protector has changed all the TV channels from ENCA to  ANN7. What is going on?
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Post by: Hamster on October 21, 2016, 08:10:56 am
the new public protector has changed all the TV channels from ENCA to  ANN7

Wut?!
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Post by: Patrick on October 21, 2016, 08:21:57 am
Yep, even confirmed to John Robbie. Everyone at her offices must now watch Gupta TV.
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Post by: Hamster on October 21, 2016, 08:25:51 am
Oh....great... :(
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Post by: Orca on October 21, 2016, 09:33:05 am
Until it is reported on News24, I see it as a rumor. I strongly doubt she will broadcast her "capture".  She would be fired for breaking the ethical code of a PP to be unbiased and forcing people to watch ANN7 only and it is undemocratic and against the constitution. She is not so stupid.
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Post by: Patrick on October 21, 2016, 10:09:51 am
Mail and Guardian do for you? Behind a paywall but you can read the beginning: http://mg.co.za/article/2016-10-20-what-new-public-protector-mkhwebane-did-next
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Post by: Orca on October 21, 2016, 11:52:05 am
Strange why News24 hasn't mentioned it. Perhaps the PP wants to track what the Gupta camp are saying. I will wait for more info before I start getting violent.
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Post by: joeman on October 21, 2016, 11:53:14 am
That woman is captured. That's probably why JZ insisted the investigation into State capture be deferred to her. I can already imagine how this will play out: criticize Thuli as much as possible (she already started yesterday) so in time she can rubbish her report. Write a new report and declare that there is no State capture.  :(

http://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2016-10-21-new-protector-takes-placatory-stance/

She: "asked that the television channels in the office reception be changed from eNCA to the Gupta-owned ANN7 and told staff that the office existed to work with government and not to be its enemy."  :(

"Insiders say she disagrees with some aspects of the report and the way it was finalised."

The original report will never see the light of day unless it gets leaked.
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Post by: Moonraker on October 21, 2016, 04:35:15 pm
What happened to BTI Initially up over 3% due to the anticipated Reynolds takeover, now down ?

Among equities, cigarette maker British American Tobacco remained the top FTSE 100 riser, jumping 3.6 per cent, or 170.5p higher to 4,973.5p after unveiling plans for a $47billion (£38.3billion) merger with US tobacco firm Reynolds, the maker of Camel and Pall Mall, which would create the world's largest listed tobacco company. BAT currently owns 42.2 per cent of Reynolds.

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Post by: Moonraker on October 21, 2016, 05:16:05 pm
Reynolds wants more. (Don't we all?)
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Post by: Patrick on October 24, 2016, 08:45:58 am
I think it was probably quite difficult to read the newspapers this weekend if your surname was either Zuma or Gupta... Huge stories, imagine how much money is being stolen if they can offer someone R600 million in bribes...
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Post by: yozzi on October 24, 2016, 12:35:15 pm
 Just about sums up this country at the mo and what's going on is farcical! Imagine this in the US, UK, etc they would be in jail long ago!
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Post by: jaDEB on October 25, 2016, 09:04:18 am
lol - Article " PPC shares spike - PPC shares advanced as much as 0.17 percent" Obviously maths is not strong point.
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Post by: czc on October 25, 2016, 09:19:58 am
Journalists are sensationalists these days, a 1% drop is a market crash sometimes as well
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Post by: gcr on October 25, 2016, 09:52:14 am
Journalists are sensationalists these days, a 1% drop is a market crash sometimes as well

I would counter that financial journalists have been sensationalists for a good many years - ever since they found words and phrases like stella;shoot the lights out; surged; free fall; eye watering; fell off a cliff; and a host of other phrases and words. My interaction with journalist whilst still employed was not so much the article but the headline was the all catching consideration. Unfortunately its not the stories that captive the audience it's the audacious headlines. However rest assured that the really pithy and eye catching headlines are still reserved for politics - after all headlines sell newspapers/magazines
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Post by: jaDEB on October 25, 2016, 10:50:49 am
And if some1 start another "****must fall" I will crap in my pant
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Post by: Nivek on October 25, 2016, 11:30:53 am
#jaDEBMustFall because it will be really funny :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 25, 2016, 11:41:49 am
ffs
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Post by: gcr on October 25, 2016, 12:39:26 pm
Hey jaDEB - such colourful language - what time do you start taking your juice :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on October 25, 2016, 03:57:03 pm
Appologies did not mean it :'(
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Post by: Patrick on October 26, 2016, 12:17:52 pm
I bought some dollars yesterday, expect the rand to strengthen any time now ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2016, 03:28:11 pm
lol, thanks Patrick I needed that.
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Post by: BussoV6 on October 26, 2016, 03:54:42 pm
So.... mid term budget speech. Everyone re-assured we will avoid the December downgrade?
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Post by: Nivek on October 26, 2016, 04:49:38 pm
Not me
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2016, 05:29:40 pm
Not me also
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Post by: Orca on October 26, 2016, 06:05:08 pm
We will not be downgraded. Zuma will bribe them.
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Post by: yozzi on October 26, 2016, 09:30:27 pm
I bought some dollars yesterday, expect the rand to strengthen any time now ;)

I bought the other week at R14.56 and look where it went too!

But still expect some weakness to come by year end and I'm still contemplating buying Sterling with the Dollars I bought
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Post by: SirDieALot on October 26, 2016, 11:37:55 pm
We will not be downgraded. Zuma will bribe them.

hi i would not be surprised. if one looks at the crash of 2008 i would say it possible
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Post by: Patrick on October 27, 2016, 09:42:24 am
The only certainty I got from the budget was that taxes will definitely go up next year. It's just a question of how much, and if it's PAYE and/or VAT.
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Post by: Hamster on October 27, 2016, 10:24:20 am
Oh please be VAT  :(
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Post by: jaDEB on October 27, 2016, 04:42:19 pm
Hey awesome, my butt is positive, being down every day for last 4 days :)
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Post by: Moonraker on October 27, 2016, 05:13:27 pm
The 'kidnapping' at SARS. Should be the end of Moyane.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on October 27, 2016, 06:10:14 pm
DvTycoon smiling at the moment...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 27, 2016, 06:44:13 pm
Why Mr Tycoon?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on October 27, 2016, 07:00:33 pm
Gooderson upped purchase price from 65c to 85c
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Post by: Whichofsuch on October 27, 2016, 11:06:12 pm
Hi Everyone,, first post here, ooooh..
Im a South African in Canada coming to SA for a couple months, does anyone want some CAD currency? 
Please PM me if you know someone.

Many thanks
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Post by: dividendtycoon on October 28, 2016, 09:34:15 am
DvTycoon smiling at the moment...
Thanks Mr_Dividend. Been a frustrating process and some interesting things going on, but seems it may be worth it eventually! Will see what the other minorities think, but at least it seems almost fair now, although the sens report said that the advisers to Gooderson said it 'unfair, but reasonable'...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 28, 2016, 11:11:33 am
Frikkie is moering me hard today ... :'(
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Post by: RARCA on October 30, 2016, 08:46:29 am
binary options
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Post by: Patrick on October 31, 2016, 10:36:02 am
So will the charges agains Gordhan be dropped today? I can't see any other outcome working for the hawks. If they don't the courts will hammer them later this week.
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Post by: Moonraker on October 31, 2016, 12:00:08 pm
They have been dropped.
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Post by: Patrick on October 31, 2016, 12:12:11 pm
I bought some dollars yesterday, expect the rand to strengthen any time now ;)
See, told you it would :)
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Post by: BussoV6 on October 31, 2016, 04:01:35 pm
AB Inbev taking a pounding over the last month. Any ideas what has happened? I'm thinking of buying a few.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2016, 06:47:43 pm
they brought out results last week  + rand strenght
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Post by: Patrick on November 01, 2016, 08:05:06 am
R13.48... And now, the end is near. And so he'll face the final curtain... There's just one small report between us and the president stepping down.
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Post by: BussoV6 on November 01, 2016, 08:13:21 am
R13.48... And now, the end is near. And so he'll face the final curtain... There's just one small report between us and the president stepping down.

Wishful thinking. This guy is as slippery as an eel.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2016, 09:11:59 am
hOLOweenwas yesterday ? "Pretoria - Independent Police Investigative Directorate head Robert McBride and two colleagues will appear in the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court on Tuesday on charges of fraud and defeating the ends of justice"
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Post by: yozzi on November 01, 2016, 12:13:50 pm
I bought some dollars yesterday, expect the rand to strengthen any time now ;)
See, told you it would :)

Patrick, you're not the only one as I've lost exactly a Rand on each dollar I bought! Having to relook at my plan as I was going to buy DBX US/DBX WLD but the troubles of Deutche Bank have me staying clear of them!
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Post by: Orca on November 01, 2016, 01:37:41 pm
The bank will only be your agent. Your money will be segregated and held at the stock exchanges. That is the law and should the bank go bust, your money will not be a bank asset.
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Post by: shifty on November 01, 2016, 04:22:48 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/what-is-happening-at-deutsche-bank-and-how-might-it-affect-my-etfs/
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Post by: BussoV6 on November 01, 2016, 04:56:14 pm
I bought some dollars yesterday, expect the rand to strengthen any time now ;)
See, told you it would :)

Patrick, you're not the only one as I've lost exactly a Rand on each dollar I bought! Having to relook at my plan as I was going to buy DBX US/DBX WLD but the troubles of Deutche Bank have me staying clear of them!

That Coreshares S&P EFT is starting to trade on Friday. Could be a lower cost option than DBXUS
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Post by: yozzi on November 01, 2016, 04:57:31 pm
The bank will only be your agent. Your money will be segregated and held at the stock exchanges. That is the law and should the bank go bust, your money will not be a bank asset.

I read that ETN's could be affected would this then affect ETF'S?
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Post by: yozzi on November 01, 2016, 05:10:46 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/what-is-happening-at-deutsche-bank-and-how-might-it-affect-my-etfs/

Sorry, just seen the link above which is self explanatory
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Post by: Hamster on November 02, 2016, 07:38:09 am
That Coreshares S&P EFT is starting to trade on Friday. Could be a lower cost option than DBXUS

Will be a lower cost. DBXUS is very expensive compared to other ETFs
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 07:52:30 am
Have they published the TER for the coreshares S&P?
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Post by: BussoV6 on November 02, 2016, 08:31:27 am
Have they published the TER for the coreshares S&P?

I guess we will only get the true full TER after a year in the market. They are talking about a headline service fee of 0.45%
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Post by: Hamster on November 02, 2016, 08:51:23 am
I thought the 0.45 was the TER? So we actually don't know what the actual costs will be?
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Post by: Hamster on November 02, 2016, 08:52:49 am
"Expected TER 0.55% – 0.65%" according to fact sheet
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 09:11:41 am
Thanks, that's far cheaper than DBXUS, slightly cheaper than DBXWD.
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Post by: czc on November 02, 2016, 09:18:13 am
N/A- TER will be available when the ETF has been listed for a year. Headline service fee of 0.45%
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Post by: czc on November 02, 2016, 09:18:30 am
http://coreshares.co.za/products/coreshares-sp-500/
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 10:51:30 am
Thanks CZC
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Post by: czc on November 02, 2016, 11:22:59 am
Zuma withdrew his interdict, what is going on?
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 11:29:38 am
I think he's scared because the opposition advocates are asking for costs to be paid personally. He doesn't want to lose even more money. Rand likes it, R13.48 at the moment.
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 02:10:40 pm
Report is coming out at 5pm today. Let's see if it has the desired effect. Rand certainly thinks so, R13.33/$
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Post by: Orca on November 02, 2016, 03:01:47 pm
What companies make popcorn? I want to invest in them.
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2016, 03:27:42 pm
Hahaha! Yeah it's going to be an interesting time coming up. I think many heads are going to roll...
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Post by: gcr on November 02, 2016, 04:39:10 pm
Thuli - has proven to be one clever lady. Her remedial action (Con Court has already ruled that these action have the full force of all court levels) calls for the establishment of a commission of enquiry set up by the president within 30 days and the chief justice of the country is to appoint the judge, and that judge is to appoint their own team of investigators. Remedial action is to be reported to the new PP periodically (she will be require to release this info into the public space). So she has hog tied Zuma and the new PP - very clever lady indeed
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 02, 2016, 06:32:16 pm
What a great day!  😌  Arrogance level of implicated individuals astounding.
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Post by: Orca on November 02, 2016, 10:13:32 pm
ZAR in a quandary as to direction. Very volatile.
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Post by: Patrick on November 03, 2016, 07:51:06 am
I have a feeling the ZAR was dissapointed with the wording of the state capture. It's full of "may be"s  and "appears to be" rather than being direct. And instead of giving an order on Zuma it requests a judicial inquiry. I can tell why she did it this way, it's impossible to fight, and will very likely put the ministers and Zuma himself onto the witness stand, under oath. In the long run will have the desired effect, but my prediction of heads rolling soon will have to wait.
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 03, 2016, 09:57:12 am
I have a feeling the ZAR was dissapointed with the wording of the state capture. It's full of "may be"s  and "appears to be" rather than being direct.

You can not be direct, even when they catch a hijacker or murderer red handed it is always 'alleged' hijacker or 'alleged' murderer.  Apparently one is innocent until proven guilty even in obvious cases.
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Post by: Patrick on November 04, 2016, 07:54:57 am
True, the more I read, the more I believe she made the right decision. She seems to have set Zuma up to hang himself, with practically no way to use his usual delaying/diverting/picking lackey methods: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2016-11-03-can-zuma-use-the-law-to-avoid-the-consequences-of-madonselas-report/
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Post by: Samurai on November 04, 2016, 12:33:07 pm
Assuming we all will have hangovers tomorrow?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 04, 2016, 12:47:28 pm
lol - or cry . South Africa prosecutor says probe on Gordhan's role in 'spy unit' advanced
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Post by: gcr on November 04, 2016, 03:21:26 pm
lol - or cry . South Africa prosecutor says probe on Gordhan's role in 'spy unit' advanced
Isn't this just crazy - and not one MP had the gumption to ask Abrahams when he is re instituting the 783 charges against Zuma - and he says he is not captured - boet this guy is in a straight jwcket
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Post by: Moonraker on November 04, 2016, 03:26:03 pm
Z . can appoint the judge overseing the judicial commission  of enquiry asked for by Madonsela. Can you believe it !
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Post by: Patrick on November 04, 2016, 03:48:25 pm
Has something changed? I thought chief justice was appointing the judge.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 04, 2016, 04:08:49 pm
Patrick, I don't know, as Z. usually has the right to appoint. Maybe not in this case. See below. (From Daily Maverick - Pierre de Vos)

Usually the president has the discretion under section 84(2)(f) of the Constitution to appoint commissions of inquiry. The remedial action now fetters this discretion. The question a court will have to answer is whether the special circumstances of this case render this fettering of the president’s constitutional powers constitutionally valid or not. Is it permissible – in these extraordinary circumstances in which the president is being implicated in breaches of the Ethics Act and in possible corruption – for the Public Protector to restrict the constitutional powers of the President?

The problem faced in this case is that there are excellent reasons why the president should not have the discretion to appoint a judge of his choice to head a commission of inquiry to investigate matters delineated by the president. The president is conflicted as he is implicated in wrongdoing which would have to be investigated by the commission of inquiry. It is inevitable that if his discretion is not fettered he would appoint a judge he perceived to be sympathetic to him. This conflict of interest would almost certainly invalidate the entire commission.
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Post by: gcr on November 04, 2016, 04:36:17 pm
If you read Wikipedia it makes for interesting reading she has legal degrees and has been awarded doctorates. She was part of the team that drafted the constitution and. She was a member of the SA Law Commission from 2007 until being made PP. So I think she knows her way around the law and the constitution. So in reality Zuma has to appoint a commission within 30 days, but, can't appoint the presiding judge that has to be appointed by the chief justice. I doubt that Zuma will contest this as the Con Court has already ruled that Zuma has not upheld the constitution.
She has proven to be a very clever lady whilst PP and certainly know the lie of the land
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Post by: Moonraker on November 04, 2016, 05:10:40 pm
OK, thanks - that sounds better.
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Post by: Patrick on November 07, 2016, 02:52:45 pm
So on Friday Shaun the sheep says the rogue unit investigations are very advanced. Then on Sunday city press reports he'll be arrested before christmas. Now today the NPA claims the following: "The article, in so far as it relates to the NPA, is entirely without merit. The investigations are currently underway and are believed to be at an advance stage." What the hell does that mean?
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Post by: gcr on November 07, 2016, 04:11:35 pm
Normally to become and advocate you have to do some serious studying, have to take articles, and practice as an attorney before you are admitted to the bar. Clear shaun the sheep went to the wrong bar and the bar man gave him a cheap advocaats certificate. The justice system seems to have overlooked checking out his qualification because the types of errors he has made would not be stand even a candidate attorney in god stead - if fact they would probably be fired
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Post by: Patrick on November 07, 2016, 07:36:26 pm
R13.34...
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Post by: Nios on November 07, 2016, 08:40:19 pm
@Patrick, is your Compound interest calculator coded to compound monthly or annually?
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Post by: Orca on November 07, 2016, 11:20:36 pm
ZAR has reached the level from a year ago but is at a resistance level now and will probably get stuck here.   
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Post by: Patrick on November 08, 2016, 06:08:30 am
@Nios, it compounds monthly
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Post by: Patrick on November 09, 2016, 05:37:53 am
This is like walking up on brexit day. The rand was getting stronger but in the morning it was far weaker. When I checked why, leave was in the lead. Same thing this morning waking up to Trump in the lead. The world has gone mad.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 07:01:21 am
Fasten your seatbelts, we going thru a sh!tstorm
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 09, 2016, 09:42:21 am
President Trump
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Post by: Patrick on November 09, 2016, 09:47:18 am
I just wish I had money to buy shares today!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 10:14:19 am
I mailed Elon Musk and asked him how much for Ticket to Mars..F%$# this.
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Post by: Orca on November 09, 2016, 10:15:58 am
Canada immigration website crashed due to overload.
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Post by: Patrick on November 09, 2016, 10:19:38 am
Haha funny, I heard there were a lot of threats. I think long term we'll see pretty much no changes, I'm just sad I'm missing out on the bargain hunting.
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Post by: gcr on November 09, 2016, 11:03:37 am
So now that Donald has gotten into the White House a whole new lexicon of words will start cropping up:-

$ Donald trumped Hillary
$ Donald came up trumps again
$ Donald is good at trumpeting his own trump (et)
$ are Donalds daughters trump or (s) trumpets

there will be many more :LHST:
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Post by: czc on November 09, 2016, 12:32:48 pm
Kinda disappointed that shares didn't fall more.
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Post by: gcr on November 09, 2016, 01:16:33 pm
Kinda disappointed that shares didn't fall more.
Why - my shares were devalued by R 102,000 on opening this morning and the Rand pulled back all of 44 cents
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 02:54:19 pm
My ANH is down 4% :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on November 09, 2016, 03:27:43 pm
Why are resources up today ?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 03:43:31 pm
GOld was 1283 yesterday now 1304
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 03:44:43 pm
Does Trump not drink alcohol?
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Post by: Patrick on November 09, 2016, 04:03:08 pm
Rand was R13.18 last night, now R13.50.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 09, 2016, 04:15:15 pm
I don't get why resources are up today. Not gold, resource counters like BHP, ANG, etc. Trump's protectionist policies, plans to impose heavy tariffs on China etc. will all tend to crimp world trade and therefore growth, which means less mineral exports from ZA. The weaker Rand does not seem to be the main reason, as all the resource counters listed in the UK are also up substantially (£/$) practically no change from yesterday. Coal I can understand as Trump wants to move away from renewables in favour of coal, but that's about all I can think of as a reason.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2016, 05:29:57 pm
Yest/toda Copper 511/538, Nickel 1098/1147
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Post by: Moonraker on November 09, 2016, 06:25:56 pm
OK, think I've got hold of the main reason for uplift in resources. Trump wants to 'rebuild American cities' - huge infrastructure spend = good for minerals/metals - may outweigh the negatives mentioned earlier.
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Post by: Nivek on November 10, 2016, 08:22:45 am
I agree Moonraker, that's most likely it. I like how you won't drop anything until you understand it!
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Post by: BussoV6 on November 10, 2016, 09:34:31 am
OK, think I've got hold of the main reason for uplift in resources. Trump wants to 'rebuild American cities' - huge infrastructure spend = good for minerals/metals - may outweigh the negatives mentioned earlier.

Walling off Mexico will be really good for construction industry!
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Post by: gcr on November 10, 2016, 10:40:01 am
Kinda disappointed that shares didn't fall more.
Why - my shares were devalued by R 102,000 on opening this morning and the Rand pulled back all of 44 cents
Well that was 2 days of most interesting share price movements
So have recovered all my paper losses and things look like they are back to normal - if that's possible these days
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Post by: Patrick on November 10, 2016, 03:04:29 pm
Anyone know why the rand is a lot weaker today?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 10, 2016, 03:11:43 pm
No Idea.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 10, 2016, 03:21:52 pm
Probably because rate increase in US now more likely. Check T Bonds.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 10, 2016, 03:30:27 pm
Yes. Patrick, your answer is here. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-09/pimco-joins-bond-traders-seeing-fast-tracked-fed-after-trump-win

EDIT: which of course results in a stronger $ on the crosses.
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Post by: Orca on November 10, 2016, 11:01:51 pm
A catch 22 situation. The cronies Z has placed in the top echelons of the party will want Z in place so they can keep dipping into the cookie jar. They have the majority vote and will win in every vote. The state capture is done and cannot be reversed with the current NEC wolves.
The vote today seemed to be all about the white DA hiding behind a black mask than about Z.


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Post by: Samurai on November 11, 2016, 10:39:30 am
According to Woolies trading update they increased by 8.9% in the first 19 weeks of the new FY, yet the price is going south???
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Post by: Orca on November 11, 2016, 02:15:32 pm
CIL reported a HEPS increase of 15% yesterday and she dropped like a stone and some more today.  :wtf:
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Post by: Patrick on November 15, 2016, 10:39:41 am
Rand getting stronger today. Co-incidently my office changed their working rate to R14.37 today. Unfortunately half my salary will now get converted to dollars at that rate in around 10 days time...
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 15, 2016, 04:53:08 pm
Story of my life @ Patrick
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Post by: Orca on November 15, 2016, 07:59:42 pm
@Patrick. How does the Rights Offer work here? CIL gave us shares in CILN and I should have got 902 shares in the competition. I was not aware until now.
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Post by: Patrick on November 16, 2016, 07:44:09 am
@Orca, rights offers are inforced. Do you have a link on the details so I can implement it?
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Post by: Orca on November 16, 2016, 12:16:36 pm
Disregard it #P. Never had a Rights Offer before so I don't understand it yet. 740 CILN shares just appeared in my portfolio and the cost was zero.
Reading this link gave me a brain fart. http://www.ciglimited.co.za/sens/
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Post by: Moonraker on November 16, 2016, 02:40:01 pm
The number of oversold stocks in Johannesburg’s benchmark index jumped to the highest since January, with the relative strength index of 22 companies indicating they may have fallen too far and are poised to gain. Concerns Donald Trump plans policies that my hurt developing nations and boost U.S. inflation weakened the rand and gold stocks while South African consumers’ dwindling spending power saw retailers slump the most since 2008.

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Post by: Patrick on November 21, 2016, 10:53:40 am
Greetings from (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/tmp_11470-IMG_20161120_144153250329304_zpsgb9hf8n8.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/tmp_11470-IMG_20161120_144153250329304_zpsgb9hf8n8.jpg.html)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 21, 2016, 10:56:34 am
:)
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 21, 2016, 02:50:56 pm
Hopefully not with a bike P.
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Post by: BussoV6 on November 21, 2016, 05:03:24 pm
Windhoek airport road?
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Post by: Patrick on November 21, 2016, 06:53:13 pm
Well spotted BussoV6, and the bike came along Moneypenny, here are some more pics: http://shareforum.co.za/off-topic/holidays-show-us-what-you-did/msg17564/#msg17564
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Post by: jaDEB on November 22, 2016, 12:55:35 pm
ANH :'( BIL :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 22, 2016, 09:29:45 pm
Apparently JSE is not doing well and just getting worse:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-opinion/columnists/jse-now-the-springboks-of-the-investment-world/
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Post by: Samurai on November 23, 2016, 04:33:07 pm
Yip I cant fathom why, heard on CNBC that recovery should start after the Xmas season.
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Post by: gcr on November 23, 2016, 06:45:53 pm
The graph of the ALSI started dropping quite dramatically from about 2.30 p.m. today. From about midday today the R/$ exchange rate started deteriorating quite significantly. Zuma was in parliament this afternoon from 3.00 p.m. answering questions but most of the answers have been non answers (typical avoidance and the blame game yet again). They say the market know everything so I think there is a downgrade coming on our ratings but not to junk. Also tomorrow is Thanks Giving in US of A so their markets will be closed.
I think our JSE's poor performance may be as a result of a combination of the above factors and probably another bunch of unknowns
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Post by: gcr on November 24, 2016, 09:51:20 am
Don't know how many forumites hold Rhodes Food Group (RFG), but I do - not a lot 1,500. The company announced a book build exercise this week where they were offering up 25 million shares to institutional investors, but, not to ordinary shareholders. Today they announced the successful placement of all shares at an agreed price of R 26.50 being a 2.3% discount to the 30 day weighted average price. These shares will now rank alongside the ordinary shares and will enjoy any dividends going forward.
I find these types of book build exercises most disingenuous given that ordinary shareholders can't apply in the first instance, secondly the allocation is done at a discount, and thirdly they will enjoy dividends like the excluded shareholders all from a smaller pot of dividend funds. To my mind the shares should have been taken up at a premium so that the ordinary shareholders are compensated in a sense for lose of dividend value.
But hey I suppose that's how the big businesses roll these days - screw the smaller shareholders. This does have a downside of course in that the JSE will not be able to encourage small investors to invest in the JSE boards - in fact our private individual investment in the bourse is nowhere near what the private investment is in say the NYSE, or even the LSE
Just my thoughts on a ticklish issue   
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on November 24, 2016, 10:55:27 am
GCR - it really depends what they do with the money. Since listing, RFG as been highly acquisitive, using listing money as well as debt. I understand there are more acquisitions on the horizon money will have to come from somewhere. I have no problem as long as management use capital wisely and will be watching EPS closely. It's not like they using this money to did them out of a hole, as many issues are.
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Post by: gcr on November 24, 2016, 11:45:05 am
GCR - it really depends what they do with the money. Since listing, RFG as been highly acquisitive, using listing money as well as debt. I understand there are more acquisitions on the horizon money will have to come from somewhere. I have no problem as long as management use capital wisely and will be watching EPS closely. It's not like they using this money to did them out of a hole, as many issues are.
Concur with your views but I am merely lamenting the fact that I as a private shareholder didn't get the opportunity to take up additional shares, which I could have done. Anyway I can now buy at less than R 26.50 as they have fallen back to R 26.38 (11:43:25) :TU: 
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Post by: Fanus on November 24, 2016, 02:06:36 pm
So it seems the world is saved and nobody needs gold anymore ... sweet
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on November 24, 2016, 02:44:24 pm
Quote
Anyway I can now buy at less than R 26.50 as they have fallen back to R 26.38

sticking it to the institutions!  :D
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2016, 06:24:55 pm
Fitch Ratings has dropped South Africa's outlook to negative, while affirming the country’s rating at BBB-, which is one notch above junk status, it said on Friday.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 26, 2016, 10:31:33 am
Moody's left everything unchanged.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 27, 2016, 06:29:09 pm
Zuma wants Thuli charged and cabinet reshuffled to sideline opponents.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/stnews/2016/11/27/Zuma-wants-Thuli-charged-and-cabinet-reshuffled-to-sideline-opponents
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Post by: Patrick on November 28, 2016, 06:54:40 am
And who's done the charging? The new public protector of course. As if it wasn't obvious enough that she turned all the tv channels to Gupta tv.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 29, 2016, 02:20:40 pm
Zzzzzz
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Post by: jaDEB on November 29, 2016, 03:50:01 pm
Do u know a rat can swim for 3 days before he drowns ?
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Post by: Nivek on November 29, 2016, 03:52:52 pm
Did you know that Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire
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Post by: jaDEB on November 29, 2016, 03:53:53 pm
O'crap you just reminded me of something I was suppose to do..
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Post by: Patrick on November 29, 2016, 03:55:20 pm
Pineapples are not a single fruit, but a group of berries that have fused together.
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Post by: Orca on November 29, 2016, 04:32:02 pm
Why are UK taxi roof's so high?
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Post by: gcr on November 29, 2016, 06:28:37 pm
Why are UK taxi roof's so high?
To keep passengers above the waterline on mud island no doubt
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Post by: Orca on November 29, 2016, 07:11:35 pm
So the gentry can sit without removing their tophats. Old but still in use today.
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Post by: Nivek on November 30, 2016, 08:44:57 am
It rains diamonds on Jupiter and Saturn: http://www.businessinsider.com/diamond-rain-saturn-jupiter-2016-4
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Post by: jaDEB on November 30, 2016, 08:56:29 am
1.Banging your head against a wall burns 150 calories an hour
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Post by: jaDEB on November 30, 2016, 09:21:03 am
But it hurts :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on November 30, 2016, 12:36:08 pm
What a lot of hogwash !
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Eskom/brian-molefes-new-mission-to-defeat-white-dominated-economy-20161130
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Post by: gcr on November 30, 2016, 02:20:43 pm
What a lot of hogwash !
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Eskom/brian-molefes-new-mission-to-defeat-white-dominated-economy-20161130
Same stupid mission he applied when he was head of PIC - seems like this guy has a chip on his shoulder which he is unable to rid himself of
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Post by: Fawkes85 on November 30, 2016, 05:16:05 pm
'This is despite the fact that since black people took over the country they have helped to increase the economy of South Africa threefold, often defying intermittent global economic meltdowns.'

Let's just conveniently forget that we are tinkering on junk status.
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Post by: Patrick on November 30, 2016, 06:01:26 pm
Anyone point me in the direction of a SENS for the delisting of SAB. I need to cater for it in the competition and I can't find it.
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Post by: Orca on November 30, 2016, 07:13:06 pm
PM'd it to you.
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Post by: Patrick on December 01, 2016, 07:55:28 am
Thanks Orca
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Post by: jaDEB on December 01, 2016, 09:42:24 am
A dog can hear sounds that are 100 times fainter than the faintest sounds that a person can hear. If a person can just hear a noise that is coming from 10 feet away, a dog could hear that same noise from 100 feet away
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2016, 02:26:07 pm
A dog can hear sounds that are 100 times fainter than the faintest sounds that a person can hear. If a person can just hear a noise that is coming from 10 feet away, a dog could hear that same noise from 100 feet away
Well I don't know whether that is true or not - my wife heard me and was waiting at the front door when I came home in the early hours of the morning, and I know I tried to be like a ghost :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on December 01, 2016, 03:51:06 pm
Yes, but the dog heard u when u were still in the pub, and ran away before you got home. He knew u were in trouble
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2016, 07:29:14 am
44.The French language has seventeen different words for ‘surrender’
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Post by: Patrick on December 02, 2016, 07:57:19 am
Ok SAB holders have been paid their money from the deal. 45 pounds, but thanks to brexit, it wasn't a good deal for most!
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2016, 08:25:28 am
wHAT TIME is The DOWn grAde?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2016, 09:49:27 am
I am TALkiNG to yOU !
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Post by: Moonraker on December 02, 2016, 09:55:21 am
You should know somewhere between 5:30 and 7:00 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on December 02, 2016, 10:00:41 am
tHAnks mR boNd
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Post by: Patrick on December 02, 2016, 11:06:29 am
Hopefully what time is the downgrade near miss.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 02, 2016, 12:21:58 pm
Consensus is for only a local currency downgrade, not a foreign currency downgrade which would mean junk.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 02, 2016, 04:05:06 pm
November nonfarm payrolls +178K vs +180K expected

Highlights of the November 2016 US nonfarm payrolls report


Prior was 161K (revised to 142K)
Two month net revision -2k
Unemployment rate 4.6% vs 4.9% expected
Participation rate 62.7% vs 62.8% prior
Private payrolls 156K vs 142K prior
Manufacturing payrolls -4K vs -2K exp
Underemployment rate 9.3% vs 9.5%

Wages and inflation:

Average hourly earnings -0.1% vs +0.2% expected
Average hourly earnings 2.5% y/y vs 2.8% expected
Average weekly hours 34.4 vs 34.4 expected
That big miss in average hourly earnings takes the shine of a very good headline. There's a wing of the Fed (and of markets) that believes something has changed in the labor market and all that it can create is $10/hour jobs.

The kneejerk in the market has been to sell the US dollar.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 02, 2016, 06:50:35 pm
Only local currency ratings downgraded by S&P - which rating is now one level above junk i.e same as the foreign currency rating.
'Good' news for now.
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Post by: Orca on December 02, 2016, 07:06:13 pm
Whoopie. I took a gamble on that one. Now Z 783 must keep his mouth zipped.
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Post by: gcr on December 02, 2016, 07:35:40 pm
I see Angelique de Rauville has resigned as acting CEO of Texton but has now also resigned from all board positions - Nic Morris is now confirmed as the new CEO. Some on this forum follow Texton and have invested in the company. Was this a palace revolt, as I thought that she started this company many years back - could be mistaken. Can anybody who knows, clear up what happened here, she has family that operate other companies as far as I know
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 02, 2016, 09:43:02 pm
Could be wrong, but thought she was at Investec before this - so do not think she started it. Always thought it was a temporary post - so not shocked, but thought she was doing a decent job. I do not really think  CEO's of REITs though are as important as normal companies CEO's.
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Post by: dividendtycoon on December 03, 2016, 10:32:10 am
Could be wrong, but thought she was at Investec before this - so do not think she started it. Always thought it was a temporary post - so not shocked, but thought she was doing a decent job. I do not really think  CEO's of REITs though are as important as normal companies CEO's.
Agreed, the actual properties are much more important than the CEO. A CEO can be replaced, hopefully the properties are decent enough.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 06, 2016, 09:39:27 am
South Africa's gross domestic product (GDP) growth rate was 0,2% in the third quarter of 2016.
The revised GDP growth figure Statistics SA recorded year-on-year for the third quarter was 0.7%.

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Post by: Fawkes85 on December 07, 2016, 10:14:30 pm
Every time! Every single time I sent money from abroad home or receive money from abroad the Rand rallies. Every. Single. Time!
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Post by: Hamster on December 08, 2016, 06:26:22 am
Mind giving us a heads up next time before you  do anything?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 08, 2016, 07:11:57 am
lol
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Post by: Patrick on December 08, 2016, 10:07:32 am
Yes I'd like to plan my purchases for the next day.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 12, 2016, 12:14:55 pm
Where is MoneyPenny ?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 12, 2016, 01:12:49 pm
Every year our moon is moving away from the earth with a distance of 4cm (1.6 inches).
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Post by: Hamster on December 12, 2016, 01:19:15 pm
That's not good for the surfboard industry
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Post by: Orca on December 12, 2016, 03:04:45 pm
Two reflective mirrors were place on the moon during the moon landing and the distance from the earth to the moon can be accurately measured.
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Post by: Orca on December 12, 2016, 03:05:14 pm
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/the-only-place-for-motsoeneng-now-is-jail-maimane-20161212
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Post by: Kwaila83 on December 12, 2016, 10:10:35 pm
Am so happy to register here
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Post by: Patrick on December 13, 2016, 01:55:41 pm
Hi Kwaila83, why not introduce yourself :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 14, 2016, 12:41:12 pm
zzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzZ
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Post by: Kwaila83 on December 14, 2016, 04:02:48 pm
Will this kill shoprite and steinhoff from jse?
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Post by: Kwaila83 on December 14, 2016, 04:04:09 pm
Okay pat am just a beginner
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Post by: Moonraker on December 14, 2016, 04:11:29 pm
You will have 'Retail Africa' housing all Steinhoff's and Shoprite's Africa businesses, and Steinhoff. So, the SHP listing will fall away.
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Post by: Kwaila83 on December 14, 2016, 07:52:52 pm
Thanks Moonraker you analysed it simply....in my view all is the same they both winners as steinhoff will buy shoprite shares  while shoprite shareholders will benefit with the acquisition of steinhoff Africa assets.
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Post by: gcr on December 14, 2016, 08:28:47 pm
Hi Kwaila83, why not introduce yourself :)
+1
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Post by: Patrick on December 15, 2016, 09:23:30 am
US rates up, ZAR down...
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Post by: Lamak on December 17, 2016, 12:48:07 pm
i got a Million bucks in Divies
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Post by: Orca on December 17, 2016, 02:21:18 pm
Wow. So that means you have +-R30M invested if they all in stocks.
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Post by: gcr on December 17, 2016, 06:28:38 pm
Wow. So that means you have +-R30M invested if they all in stocks.
+1
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Post by: Patrick on December 18, 2016, 11:02:12 am
Interesting Lamak, were you trying the "buy for the divi then sell" strategy?
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Post by: Lamak on December 18, 2016, 02:52:21 pm
@Patrick. yes. that is all i did. At the beginning i was hoping to sell atva profit. but never happened one. So afterward, i get the divie and sell
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Post by: Lamak on December 18, 2016, 02:54:21 pm
also, i would never sell. i like collecting shares. i accumulated tge monthly allowance and reinvested in the next high paing divi
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Post by: Lamak on December 18, 2016, 02:55:31 pm
btw....it is only in this challenge and not in real life
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Post by: Moonraker on December 18, 2016, 04:41:23 pm
Aw shucks!  Why not? ... no desire to retire :)
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Post by: Lamak on December 18, 2016, 04:44:26 pm
lol...i wish. im working towards it....very very very slowly
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2016, 08:33:02 am
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2016, 08:33:44 am
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2016, 08:36:16 am
@Lamak, it worked surprisingly well. I know Mr Div was looking into this in real life, Mr Div what happened to that? In theory you should have lost the equivalent amount in sales that you made up in divvies, but that's not what happened. The only difference between real life and the game in this case is liquidity. This really deserves looking into...
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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2016, 10:48:45 am
In the comp we get paid divies on LDT day and not when the actual payment gets paid or when the price goes ex divie. Lamak sold before ex divie day and scored that way. The Record Date for IPF was 15th and he sold on the 13th which was the LTD day. The payment date was 19th. This will never work in real life.
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2016, 11:49:04 am
Not so Orca, the price drops after LDT, usually a friday, but if he sells on a weekend the prices is readjusted after monday mornings opening prices. Also look at some of his trades, the sales often happen many days after the divvie. I'm finding it very interesting!
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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2016, 12:05:07 pm
You are correct. I'm bad at remembering more that 1 date at a time. He did sell on ex divie day and not on the LDT day. Sorry Lamak.
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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2016, 03:08:56 pm
Seems Reuters have removed their free charting. Anyone know where I can get charts? I like jaDEB's charts but don't know where he gets them.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2016, 03:47:16 pm
Orca, no. eg. enter bidj.j then select companies.
Here is another local site (Profile Data). But no comparisons. http://www.sharedata.co.za/v2/Scripts/Home.aspx
See screenshot.

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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2016, 05:27:02 pm
Ta Moon. Sharedata is good but I prefer Reuters as I used it for years but lost the link to the charts and now can't find it. Could you please post a link here and I will bookmark it.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2016, 05:30:45 pm
Orca, just click the search mag. glass top right, then follow the steps I mentioned.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 19, 2016, 05:59:11 pm
Sharedata.co.za Orca
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2016, 06:25:23 pm
@ Orca. Please see the lovely screenshot I have prepared for you.  :)
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Post by: Lamak on December 19, 2016, 07:14:52 pm
thanx all. beginers luck. But in real life i dont want to sell anything....just keep it....cos its mine...lol
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 20, 2016, 12:34:11 pm
P - did not really work out, nailed on a trade on adcorp as i bought purely on div not on my thoughts of the company. Have some success on R50K trades buying good div stock in demand zones - selling when I get to predefined supply zones with no time limit and no stop loss. Just testing at the moment - will give it a full year. Weird hybrid between investing and trading really. Have made just under R8k since the start of Oct so looking good so far.

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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 20, 2016, 12:49:39 pm
scratch that - R4638 after fees.
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Post by: Orca on December 20, 2016, 01:53:52 pm
Thanks Moon and jaDEB.  :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on December 22, 2016, 09:01:25 am
Finally, holidays have arrived!
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Post by: Patrick on December 23, 2016, 12:37:23 pm
Just a reminder, the competition closes today!
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Post by: jaDEB on December 26, 2016, 10:05:06 am
FFS - singer George Michael died on Sunday at his home in England
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Post by: Moonraker on December 26, 2016, 10:36:55 am
Careless Whisper ..
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Post by: Lamak on December 30, 2016, 11:07:59 am
Hi. is there a company tax guru in the house. i want some guidance on who i can consult with. i know there are no free lunches lol
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Post by: Orca on January 03, 2017, 08:39:24 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-02/top-investor-picks-for-emerging-markets-in-2017
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Post by: gcr on January 03, 2017, 09:33:50 am
New competition ? no money!
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Post by: Roomys on January 03, 2017, 09:50:50 am
It seems so, no groups either.
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2017, 10:13:56 am
Click on my holdings, that'll charge you up with cash. You'll need to start new groups again though.
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Post by: Hamster on January 03, 2017, 10:30:40 am
MyBroadband group created. Let's do this 8)
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Post by: Lamak on January 03, 2017, 10:59:55 am
 :TU:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-02/top-investor-picks-for-emerging-markets-in-2017

This is great. Thanc
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Post by: czc on January 03, 2017, 11:17:27 am
Happy New Year everyone
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Post by: gcr on January 03, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
Click on my holdings, that'll charge you up with cash. You'll need to start new groups again though.
Hi Patrick - did this and placed 2 "buys" - both executed but my name does not appear on the list though it highlighted my share value at position 30. The holding form did show "Hullo gcr"
Can you correct on my behalf please
Thanks  - gcr
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2017, 02:04:26 pm
I see that GCR, it looks like there are a few people who's names aren't showing up, I'll see if I can correct it.
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2017, 02:46:57 pm
Ok, problem solved, everyone has a name again.
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Post by: gcr on January 03, 2017, 03:35:04 pm
I see that GCR, it looks like there are a few people who's names aren't showing up, I'll see if I can correct it.
Mine corrected thanks gcr
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Post by: Trade002 on January 03, 2017, 04:49:15 pm
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Post by: Trade002 on January 03, 2017, 05:50:26 pm
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Post by: Trade002 on January 04, 2017, 06:47:30 pm
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Post by: Trade002 on January 04, 2017, 06:47:35 pm
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 04, 2017, 07:43:41 pm
So my sweeties, 💕 What's up?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 04, 2017, 08:37:02 pm
hey !!! u back :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 04, 2017, 09:08:37 pm
Hallo jaDEB 😄 Nog nie heeltemal terug nie, sal Maandag weer voltyds hier wees. Did I just say that in Afrikaans?
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Post by: Ombre on January 04, 2017, 09:55:36 pm
bwn
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Post by: Fanus on January 05, 2017, 11:50:54 am
negative growth, that's what's up
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Post by: jaDEB on January 05, 2017, 01:27:44 pm
:'(
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Post by: Patrick on January 06, 2017, 09:05:31 am
Someone from Cell C keeps scraping my website, is someone trying to do an offline dump of all the information?
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Post by: Patrick on January 06, 2017, 10:37:07 am
And again, what's up Cell C user!
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Post by: jaDEB on January 06, 2017, 10:54:05 am
u scaring me :'(
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Post by: Hamster on January 06, 2017, 11:38:59 am
Someone from Cell C keeps scraping my website, is someone trying to do an offline dump of all the information?

Which parts of the site? Maybe trying to get hold of your share prices and use it as a feed.
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Post by: Patrick on January 06, 2017, 11:50:03 am
It was the forum, not the challenge site. I can only imagine it's to do with spam, or using the information to build up another site. I blocked the IP yesterday, but it came back as a different cell c IP today. I'll turn on cloudflare this weekend.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 06, 2017, 02:34:41 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 09, 2017, 07:34:50 am
Hi all, we're running through cloudflare (a firewall type thing) now. Please let me know if you see anything strange. You might get asked to prove you're not a robot every now and then...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 09, 2017, 08:17:50 am
Bleep, blop, bleep . beep beep beep
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Post by: Roomys on January 09, 2017, 09:32:12 am
CF is awesome well done on the change. Have a number of clients on it here in NZ!
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Post by: Bread on January 09, 2017, 11:47:10 am
Your siren's sounding a little sick, jaDEB  :)
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Post by: Hamster on January 10, 2017, 08:25:56 am
STXIND dividends... 12c. Knowing full well that dividends is not its focus it still sucks :(
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Post by: spanx on January 10, 2017, 08:52:01 am
Talking about STXIND, what's your opinion on buy, sell hold? I've been buying for the last few years but not sure if I should continue
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Post by: Hamster on January 10, 2017, 09:12:40 am
The moment it hits 7000 I'm selling Naspes INDI. That's my opinion.
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Post by: Patrick on January 10, 2017, 09:19:00 am
I sold out at R70.52. I just wasn't comfortable with the lack of diversification. If I remember right, over half my eggs were in 3 baskets.
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Post by: spanx on January 10, 2017, 09:29:35 am
I stopped my debit order 2 months ago, will hold for a while and see where it goes. Will CSP500 on EasyEquities be a good alternative you think?
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Post by: Hamster on January 10, 2017, 10:15:53 am
CSP500 is not an alternative to STXIND unless you use growth as your only criterion. DBXUS and DBXWD are the real CSP500 alternatives.

If you wanted to keep it "local" as with STXIND then NFEMOM is something to look at but a very different ETF. The only real alternative for the industrial index is GIVIND: http://etfcib.absa.co.za/products/Exchange%20Traded%20Funds/equity/GIVI%20SA%20Industrial%2025%20ETF/Pages/default.aspx
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Post by: RayRay on January 10, 2017, 10:37:15 am
The moment it hits 7000 I'm selling Naspes INDI. That's my opinion.
LOL
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Post by: Orca on January 10, 2017, 10:38:36 am
Last week SA was Bloomberg's 2'nd best choice for investment growth for 2017 and now this;
https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/149353/rand-named-one-of-top-currencies-to-invest-in-2017/
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Post by: jaDEB on January 10, 2017, 12:24:48 pm
U not F%$#@ allowed to sell anything that has NPN in, buy it back at higher price NOW !!!!!!!!
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Post by: BussoV6 on January 10, 2017, 01:14:57 pm
Hi all, we're running through cloudflare (a firewall type thing) now. Please let me know if you see anything strange. You might get asked to prove you're not a robot every now and then...

My AV software (Kaspersky) doesn't like me visiting this site. Every click is greeted with dire warnings of impending Dooom.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 10, 2017, 01:44:54 pm
Do we know why anglos is up 6% ?
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Post by: Patrick on January 10, 2017, 02:18:16 pm
Can you send me a screenshot or copy and paste the message please BussoV6. I do run scans regularly, will run another tonight. Edit, ran a few web based scans. They all report a clean site, but also that my wordpress was out of date. I've just updated it, let me know if it helped.
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Post by: Moonraker on January 10, 2017, 02:43:09 pm
https://www.virustotal.com/     Clean all round
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Post by: Patrick on January 10, 2017, 03:26:47 pm
Thanks Moonraker, that's a useful link. Glad it gave an all clear too.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 10, 2017, 04:08:01 pm
bil :)
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Post by: Nivek on January 11, 2017, 11:01:03 am
Kids back in school, I'm back in traffic. Hello all.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 11, 2017, 12:23:20 pm
Hello Nivek, all the best for 2017
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Post by: BussoV6 on January 11, 2017, 02:09:45 pm
Can you send me a screenshot or copy and paste the message please BussoV6. I do run scans regularly, will run another tonight. Edit, ran a few web based scans. They all report a clean site, but also that my wordpress was out of date. I've just updated it, let me know if it helped.

Patrick seems fine today, I don't get any warnings!  :TU:
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Post by: Zeal on January 11, 2017, 03:57:09 pm
nas
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Post by: Nivek on January 12, 2017, 10:38:03 am
You too jaDEB.
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Post by: rjthomas on January 12, 2017, 11:10:39 am
Where can I find a list of the dates when dividinds are paid for the JSE Top40?
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Post by: rjthomas on January 12, 2017, 11:20:54 am
Okk here is a Dividend Watch on Moneyweb http://www.moneyweb.co.za/tools-and-data/dividend-watch/
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Post by: Hamster on January 12, 2017, 11:38:57 am
Never knew about that ^
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Post by: Hamster on January 12, 2017, 11:41:48 am
Where can I find a list of the dates when dividinds are paid for the JSE Top40?

I normally just check the SENS of the specific stock codes. Assuming you want STX40's:
http://trade.imara.co/free/sens/list_sens.phtml?scode=STX40

Latest distribution SENS:
http://trade.imara.co/free/sens/disp_news.phtml?tdate=20170109131500&seq=13&scheme=imaraco

...they're paying today
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Post by: Patrick on January 12, 2017, 11:56:27 am
Okk here is a Dividend Watch on Moneyweb http://www.moneyweb.co.za/tools-and-data/dividend-watch/
I use that for the contest, the only issue is it doesn't report the ETF dividends.
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Post by: rjthomas on January 12, 2017, 01:26:00 pm
How do you know whether an ETF pays dividends or not? I assume it depends on the underlying equities.
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Post by: Hamster on January 12, 2017, 02:14:33 pm
How do you know whether an ETF pays dividends or not? I assume it depends on the underlying equities.

Yes. You can look at the fact sheet of the ETF. Most pay quarterly but there are a few (those tracking offshore equities by the looks of it) the payout bi-annually. If it is a "total return" ETF (like MAPPSG and NFEMOM) it automatically reinvests the dividends.
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Post by: gcr on January 12, 2017, 03:02:48 pm
I am not an investor in REIT's but I know a number of forumites do invest in REIT's.
The Rand has supposedly strengthened against the Euro, Pound and Dollar
The quoted REIT's in this country are largely Rand denominated but invested in foreign assets. There has also been a substantial correction in housing and rentals in shopping centres

What I am interested to know is whether those who had invested in REIT's 1 or more years ago whether they are still showing profits and reasonable dividend returns or are they taking strain.
Also further to the above question would you consider further investing in REIT's now or would you wait awhile to see where things are headed

Would be interesting to get some opinions

Thanks
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Post by: Moonraker on January 12, 2017, 04:12:11 pm
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/investing/property/sa-focused-property-stocks-emerge-as-best-performers/

(Not all offshore REITS were complete dogs, but the UK based ones were really bad .. due to £ weakness).

PS. The local REITS like RDF, GRT, and some others are still mainly ZA focused (±80% of portfolio).



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Post by: Patrick on January 13, 2017, 08:56:06 am
I had an interesting night last night... (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/IMG_20170112_200404_zps5psxrwm5.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/IMG_20170112_200404_zps5psxrwm5.jpg.html)
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Post by: Orca on January 13, 2017, 12:42:13 pm
Was that at a "New Age Breakfast"?
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Post by: Patrick on January 13, 2017, 12:49:13 pm
Nope, I had to hook him up to a security council meeting, then hang around to make sure nothing went wrong.
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Post by: Bread on January 13, 2017, 05:46:15 pm
 :D Orca
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Post by: Hamster on January 13, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
That's pretty cool.... Actually that's VERY cool
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Post by: SUGARMAN on January 14, 2017, 09:59:19 am
Going big on ADI and Rolfes this year  risky with 2 relatively small companies. Any thoughts
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nancyj on January 14, 2017, 05:02:26 pm
challenge
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2017, 08:37:20 am
So it begins
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2017, 09:04:32 am
Welcome back Moneypenny
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Post by: Hamster on January 16, 2017, 09:29:56 am
You should update the style of the live chat box. People still use it thinking it is search :D

Maybe also a bug ass link at the top point to the investor challenge...

EDIT: nevermind, I said link is already there. And still they search for it..
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2017, 09:35:17 am
Maybe people see Shout as Search, I should probably rename it to something that doesn't start with an S. Maybe Talk?
Title: Live chat
Post by: czc on January 16, 2017, 10:00:21 am
Maybe add some text about the box saying chat?
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Post by: Orca on January 16, 2017, 10:30:33 am
Going big on ADI and Rolfes this year  risky with 2 relatively small companies. Any thoughts
ADI is one of my favorites. Holds huge amounts of cash for acquisitions that it makes on a regular basis. Great management that follows EOH's philosophy.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on January 16, 2017, 10:35:27 am
Kinda like twitter but for shares, so shi... :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: Chequitta on January 16, 2017, 11:59:59 am
csew40
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Post by: Chequitta on January 16, 2017, 12:02:16 pm
brait
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2017, 12:16:58 pm
Money, lots money - search - Click -
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Post by: Orca on January 16, 2017, 01:01:04 pm
brait
Brait has been in a bear run with no indication of a reversal and with their exposure to the sterling she may continue for a long time. Never buy stocks that are in a bear mode until a reversal is confirmed.
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Post by: Snapcase on January 16, 2017, 02:39:04 pm
Haha, I reckon just remove the text input box altogether.  Leave the chat though.

Not sure about you folk, but I never use it anyway, burnt too many times when it auto-refreshes and removes everything I've typed.

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Post by: Hamster on January 16, 2017, 02:40:45 pm
Haha, I reckon just remove the text input box altogether.  Leave the chat though.

Not sure about you folk, but I never use it anyway, burnt too many times when it auto-refreshes and removes everything I've typed.

This

Or if you have to have it, move it to the bottom of the box so it looks like a chat window
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2017, 02:44:26 pm
PPC :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on January 16, 2017, 03:24:32 pm
How to remove shout box :-P
Title: Live chat
Post by: 27011992 on January 16, 2017, 04:44:05 pm
27011992
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2017, 05:34:55 pm
ok, this is not funny anymore
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Post by: Hamster on January 16, 2017, 05:35:20 pm
27011992
The telephone number that never was
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2017, 05:41:40 pm
Haha, it's the busiest the chat box has ever been. What about putting the shout button on the left to confuse people. Next to a label that says this is not a search?
Title: Live chat
Post by: franz on January 16, 2017, 06:46:42 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: czc on January 16, 2017, 09:23:19 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 07:19:05 am
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Post by: Hamster on January 17, 2017, 07:33:32 am
Haha, it's the busiest the chat box has ever been. What about putting the shout button on the left to confuse people. Next to a label that says this is not a search?

Make the search more prominent and maybe move it to where the Shoutbox is since that seems to be the place people expect the Search to be. Add a border around the Shoutbox and move the input box to the bottom of it. Change text to "Send" maybe"

The search bar looks wrong being the full width of a page. One expects it to be smaller and have a bigger search button/magnifying glass icon.
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Post by: Fanus on January 17, 2017, 08:10:01 am
Indeed. Standard inteface your chat input is below the chat box and search is top right (small text input)
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Post by: Hamster on January 17, 2017, 09:35:46 am
"Go INDI, it's your birthday! We gonna party like it's your birthday!"

6% already this month alone, now at 6800 *touches every piece of wood I can find*
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2017, 09:40:22 am
Thank you Patrick
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 11:23:18 am
Busy reading the "How I Made $ 2,000,000 In The Stock Market" u posted. On page 10 of 127. Will take about 4 months :'(
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Post by: gcr on January 17, 2017, 11:47:10 am
Busy reading the "How I Made $ 2,000,000 In The Stock Market" u posted. On page 10 of 127. Will take about 4 months :'(
Well if you really want to test yourself you can always read one of Benjamin Graham's books - I got halfway through the book and then stuck it in my library and have never been back to finish it
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 11:57:47 am
Yes, reading the shouts on this website takes a lot of time as well.
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Post by: BussoV6 on January 17, 2017, 01:01:30 pm
Anyone on the forum driving a Ford Galaxy Note 7?
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2017, 01:02:14 pm
Ok let's see if this reduces the use of this as a search bar. I didn't want to put it underneath because it's a waste of screen real estate.
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2017, 01:02:45 pm
@BussoV6 hahahaha
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Post by: Hamster on January 17, 2017, 01:21:05 pm
I see your inner developer opted for the quick fix route :D
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Post by: Orca on January 17, 2017, 02:20:34 pm
ZAR keeps bouncing off resistance but if Zuma stays comatose we may well see sub 13 soon and will test the 12 area into 2018.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 02:46:45 pm
Wtf, send the note to whom?
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Post by: BussoV6 on January 17, 2017, 02:52:36 pm
@BussoV6 hahahaha

I just cannot believe a large multinational could handle a situation so badly. It beggars belief.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 05:09:18 pm
:)
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2017, 07:44:26 pm
Enter PIN code
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Post by: stealthywealth.co.za on January 18, 2017, 08:05:18 am
"How to restore old shout box" :-P
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on January 18, 2017, 08:30:07 am
Where is the shout button?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2017, 09:10:44 am
Patrick is fuming ... lol
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2017, 09:28:15 am
Everybody was sitting to often. now you're all postmen :)
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Post by: Hamster on January 18, 2017, 11:04:33 am
But I have to sit at work :(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2017, 08:31:04 am
Unfortunatly I have to stand, otherwise they cannot kick my ass :'(
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Post by: Bread on January 19, 2017, 09:57:14 am
There's a Ford Galaxy Note  :question:
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2017, 10:22:42 am
I'm in Cape Town for the next few days. wish I could move my job here!
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Post by: Bread on January 19, 2017, 12:02:09 pm
That's weird. Google/finance says TON hasn't gone below 13250, with a high of 13350, between 0900 and 1200 today yet My Holdings shows it at 13171. Anybody know why?
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2017, 04:27:36 pm
Looks like it's fixed Bread, can you check again. I get my prices from here Bloomberg, so if mine are wrong they're worth checking: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/TON:SJ
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Post by: Bread on January 19, 2017, 06:51:21 pm
That looks much better, thank you, Patrick.
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Post by: RayRay on January 20, 2017, 08:46:54 am
Constantly being redirected to spam websites today when navigating shareforum.co.za :-(
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2017, 09:37:05 am
can you send me a screenshot of the redirection. the site is scanned often and has always been clean. I'd also recommend you run malware bytes locally, it sounds like malware.
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Post by: Bread on January 20, 2017, 10:45:58 am
Same problem as yesterday, Patrick. Investor Challenger price for TON shows 13171 when it should be 13350.
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Post by: brad on January 20, 2017, 11:19:02 am
Looks like it's fixed Bread, can you check again. I get my prices from here Bloomberg, so if mine are wrong they're worth checking: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/TON:SJ
Patrick same with the sasol price challenger price is 381 and the market price is 418.
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2017, 11:59:48 am
I see 13350 on the challenge now bread. Remember the game is around 15 minutes delayed, but to counter that I re-adjust the transaction prices after another 15 minutes, so you in effect get the live price for your transaction. The same for SASOL brad, I think you just needed to wait 15 minutes.
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Post by: conradl on January 20, 2017, 02:14:28 pm
@Patrick, have you been able to wangle a better transaction fee with Exchange4Free?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2017, 03:02:34 pm
PPC : )
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2017, 11:36:12 pm
Not yet, I have another call scheduled with them for next week, I'll let you know how that goes.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Hamster on January 23, 2017, 06:42:26 am
I'm never buying COH in the challenge again. Every single time I buy it it tanks.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on January 23, 2017, 09:14:12 am
You should buy it in the challenge and then short it in reality!
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Post by: Hstig on January 23, 2017, 09:22:16 am
Hi Pat, I think my purchase price for SOL on Thursday cannot be correct. Shares were trading at Round R420.00 each?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2017, 09:31:57 am
Lol nobody has ever said that when they bought extra cheaply! I only had the close of day prices stored. What probably happened was a single transaction was at a low price and you were fortunate enough to buy at that price. I can roll back the whole transaction if you like.
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Post by: Hstig on January 23, 2017, 09:41:31 am
No need, wanted to be upfront about it. If it is as you say and the IC participants are happy, then A for away and lucky me
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2017, 10:10:41 am
It happens sometimes. People buy or sell at ridiculous prices and someone gets lucky. In the grand scheme of things it wont have much influence thanks to the fact that you're given money each month and not a lump sum.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2017, 11:49:14 am
bil :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on January 24, 2017, 12:43:20 pm
Be like Bil
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2017, 01:36:09 pm
I like bil :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 24, 2017, 02:00:21 pm
USDZAR 13.340 :) Eventually broke through that strong resistance.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2017, 02:10:50 pm
Yeah just saw that. I hope it holds till next month, I need to send another batch of cash offshore.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2017, 02:24:53 pm
ffs
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2017, 02:55:10 pm
I wonder if this is the reason for the added strength: http://www.enca.com/south-africa/time-to-step-down-motlanthe-tells-anc-top-brass
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Post by: Orca on January 24, 2017, 03:21:44 pm
SA rate hike this afternoon or perhaps Trump said something.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2017, 04:37:21 pm
Remains same - Rate- why is NPN going up vs rant strenght ?
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moonraker on January 24, 2017, 05:05:18 pm
In step with BABA - Alibaba Earnings: BABA Crushes Wall Street's Q3 Earnings, Revenue Estimates.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/alibaba-earnings-baba-crushes-wall-streets-q3-earnings-revenue-estimates-cm737137
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2017, 07:06:14 pm
:)
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Post by: Orca on January 25, 2017, 12:21:54 pm
Strong ZAR hitting the ICT sector. ADI, EOH....
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on January 25, 2017, 01:37:51 pm
Is the ZAR strong or the USD weak?
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 25, 2017, 02:25:55 pm
With the ZAR gaining on all major currencies shows that the ZAR itself is strengthening. It has now reached a point where traders will start to bank profits.
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Moonraker on January 25, 2017, 04:10:27 pm
Yes, it is ZAR strength - even against the £ which has gained against both $ and Euro.
Think it has to do with SARB being more hawkish in their rates outlook compared to their
last meeting. Plus of course the upwards momentum in resource prices.
A temporary phenomenon, ZAR is structurally weak even without political influences.
Expect a weaker ZAR towards end 2017. Say 14.20 to the $ ??
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Post by: RayRay on January 25, 2017, 05:42:21 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-25/dollar-to-roll-over-in-boost-to-metals-ubs-wealth-unit-says
Another opinion on future of the greenback
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Orca on January 25, 2017, 06:19:06 pm
So the $ has peaked. This is good for commodities and ZAR. My prediction of sub 13 is looking real if Z does not move Pravin out.
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Post by: gcr on January 25, 2017, 06:44:38 pm
So the $ has peaked. This is good for commodities and ZAR. My prediction of sub 13 is looking real if Z does not move Pravin out.
Maybe read "The Rand" thread where some of us made predictions - quite interesting to see that the direction has so far been correct
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Post by: Orca on January 25, 2017, 09:14:13 pm
All my predictions and warnings have come true. Exactly where I predicted a year ago and my recent 13.5 stagnation happened. The breakthrough below that happened eventually. Reached the 13.25 area that I said will be a strong banking of profits area. Not all posts were done on that thread.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 26, 2017, 02:52:19 pm
Why is LON tanking ?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 26, 2017, 03:15:04 pm
Do I click on Post Note gain to get awnser<
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Moonraker on January 26, 2017, 03:59:23 pm
Do I click on Post Note gain to get awnser<
Yes. http://www.sharenet.co.za/news/Lonmin_reports_lower_output_as_protesters_demand_compensation/4884278ab63f39b1d2416d48f48e30b8
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Post by: jaDEB on January 26, 2017, 04:30:59 pm
Thanks Mr Bond
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Post by: rietrot on January 26, 2017, 09:44:33 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: rietrot on January 26, 2017, 09:44:34 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: Snapcase on January 27, 2017, 11:18:51 am
Could you repeat that rietrot? :P
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 27, 2017, 01:02:38 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on January 27, 2017, 01:02:43 pm
He said:
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on January 27, 2017, 01:34:06 pm
He said:
:D :D :D
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on January 27, 2017, 02:10:35 pm
and jaDEB is %$#@ confused....
Title: Live chat
Post by: Robot 101 on January 27, 2017, 02:31:05 pm
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Post by: rietrot on January 27, 2017, 04:16:21 pm
Sorry. someone please delete the blanks somehow I am unable to.
I am on my phone's browser and accidently clicked the post note button a few times.
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Post by: Moonraker on January 27, 2017, 04:24:15 pm
Is this what's causing the Rand volatility, and weaker tendency today ?
http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/rand-tanks-on-zumas-defiance-comment-20170127
Title: Live chat
Post by: rjthomas on January 30, 2017, 10:54:02 am
Yes, political uncertainty is the primary cause of our currency instability
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 31, 2017, 08:04:23 am
Spammer snuck through my security systems yesterday. Not many do: 175947 Spammers blocked up until today
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: MoneyChief on January 31, 2017, 12:18:02 pm
There seems to be some issues with share prices in the competition, I hold metrofile. This morning it said I had a 10% gain, now it says I have 0% gain.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 31, 2017, 01:31:42 pm
The prices come from bloomberg. it could be a weird transaction, should sort itself out once bloomberg updates again.
Title: Live chat
Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 31, 2017, 06:54:15 pm
I hate spammers HaHa, damn Russians
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2017, 07:31:37 am
Wow, how is Apples cash !!! More than some countries, only Orca has more
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2017, 08:04:20 am
Apple's enormous cash hoard grew to $246.09 billion in the fiscal fourth quarter, up $8.49 billion from the previous quarter
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on February 01, 2017, 09:11:43 am
The largest portion of my holdings is in Apple, just over 2% :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2017, 09:13:34 am
Bastard !!
Title: Live chat
Post by: trade001 on February 01, 2017, 09:42:37 am
The Phoenix (AXL) share price is not in the challenge list..
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on February 01, 2017, 09:50:14 am
It's still a penny share trade001. We only allow shares worth at least R1 each (and those that trade more than 16 times a day). If it crosses over the R1 mark you can buy it in the challenge.
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Post by: trade001 on February 01, 2017, 09:55:28 am
Thanks, Patrick. I wasn't aware.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Robot 101 on February 01, 2017, 11:43:45 am
ABL now AXL trading at 50c
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Post by: thatomog on February 01, 2017, 03:52:02 pm
Title: Live chat
Post by: thatomog on February 01, 2017, 03:55:20 pm
vodacom
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Post by: Fawkes85 on February 01, 2017, 09:34:57 pm
And still they don't get it
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2017, 09:43:43 pm
lol
Title: Live chat
Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 02, 2017, 11:57:14 am
AXL in free fall
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Post by: Hamster on February 02, 2017, 12:13:39 pm
AXL in free fall

Maybe because so many people bought and then realised it's got nothing to do with banking and not likely to be the next Capitec? Either way, I stand to lose R50 if they delist...  :D
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2017, 12:16:04 pm
Why is Gold up?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2017, 12:57:03 pm
Why is ACL up 7%... Scream Post !!!!
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2017, 04:58:52 pm
PPC update not to bad :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 03, 2017, 09:50:46 am
VBS Mutual Bank, which made headlines last year after it gave President Jacob Zuma a loan to reimburse the state for upgrades to his personal home, plans to list on the JSE, its chairman said on Thursday - Cool I am in ... lol
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Post by: Nivek on February 03, 2017, 11:42:46 am
Interesting. I read in December that they were going broke.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Fawkes85 on February 03, 2017, 04:15:06 pm
Probably why they want to list. To get some money
Title: Live chat
Post by: Moneypenny on February 03, 2017, 04:28:35 pm
Go get 'em Patrick, thank you O.
Title: Live chat
Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 03, 2017, 08:28:35 pm
When does Taste send out a trading update?
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Post by: gcr on February 04, 2017, 12:29:46 am
Taste published a voluntary sens notification on 4/10/2016 and in the final paragraph it states that it anticipates publishing its results on or about 12/10/2016 but I have no record of a sens being issued on that date or near it. So not sure what went on here
Have not seen a JSE warning regarding the company either
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Post by: bushwakka on February 04, 2017, 07:58:56 am
Taste Sens issued 12/10/2016 @ 08:00 with unaudited results
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Post by: Ombre on February 04, 2017, 01:49:44 pm
kio
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 04, 2017, 08:31:05 pm
Yea I am aware of those dates and sens promises. Dammit. I want tas to make a move now
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2017, 11:20:17 am
When is the SOTN speech ?
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Post by: Hamster on February 06, 2017, 11:36:40 am
I believe SONA is Thursday
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Post by: gcr on February 06, 2017, 12:13:20 pm
I believe SONA is Thursday
Correct - wonder if it will be delivered as the EFF and another obscure party oh I know the ANC will both be protesting outside on the day
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Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2017, 03:10:35 pm
Nooit, Joost has passed away :'(
Title: Live chat
Post by: Nivek on February 06, 2017, 04:08:26 pm
Yeah I saw that. Very sad, but his life must have been very difficult up to now. Maybe it's for the best.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2017, 04:52:35 pm
Also Veteran journalist Barry Sergeant dies :'(
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Post by: Hamster on February 06, 2017, 09:33:53 pm
Two new Satrix ETFs incoming: STXPRO and STXILB
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 07, 2017, 11:21:03 am
to self
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Post by: Snapcase on February 08, 2017, 01:46:52 pm
Remember to buy milk
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 08, 2017, 04:45:50 pm
aghhh crap did not get the damn note...forgot milk
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on February 09, 2017, 09:52:18 am
Always keep some powdered milk when you're so forgetful.
Title: Live chat
Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 09, 2017, 01:01:05 pm
Powdered Milk.... God no. That is straight from Satan.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 09, 2017, 02:48:32 pm
Tell him, tell him.
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on February 09, 2017, 03:35:55 pm
It might be, but he's a lot easier to get along with than my wife when I forget buy everything I promised I would ;)
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: gcr on February 09, 2017, 04:07:28 pm
It might be, but he's a lot easier to get along with than my wife when I forget buy everything I promised I would ;)
The real message here is don't promise - you would sound like any old Yank prime time series they are either promising to keep some alive, look after them forever - so false

Rather just get what your wife wants and if you forget apologise and tell her you are human and fallable ;D   
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 10, 2017, 09:26:37 am
Pfft, I just get it myself in the first place.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2017, 02:06:24 pm
Mr P ?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 10, 2017, 02:32:59 pm
Urgh AXL - come on! Hit 50 please I do not ask for much, Just some activity.
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 10, 2017, 02:43:41 pm
lol I sold mine...why u still in !
Title: Live chat
Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 10, 2017, 03:34:50 pm
Used EE man, so got suckered in at 48 cents. they stopped trading when it wen to 42 so could not pick up low. So now I am just hoping for a steady/fast climb to above 50 first prize would be R1
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Post by: Patrick on February 10, 2017, 03:39:31 pm
Am i Mr P?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 10, 2017, 10:04:38 pm
Still sitting with a SONA hangover
Title: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2017, 08:12:33 am
No I was just out buying milk.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 07:41:38 am
Copper :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 08:09:15 am
DETAILED CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENT IN RELATION TO THE PROPOSED MERGER
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 08:09:58 am
DETAILED CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENT IN RELATION TO THE PROPOSED MERGER OF PPC AND AFRISAM GROUP PROPRIETARY LIMITED
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 13, 2017, 08:49:52 am
Who do you guys for copper?
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 09:03:06 am
?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 13, 2017, 11:43:14 am
Buy* sorry. brain was running faster than I typed.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 01:57:57 pm
I have BIL, I believe Glencore is the winner if copper goes up
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Post by: czc on February 13, 2017, 02:26:47 pm
Why is ADI down today? Have they released results or is this more of the insider trading people are complaining about.
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Post by: Orca on February 13, 2017, 03:54:31 pm
Deleted my previous post. I did not realize that earnings report came out today and it looks like the HEPS was up by 2%. This is knee jerk.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 13, 2017, 07:53:45 pm
bought book the monk that sold his ferari :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2017, 07:17:01 am
Ferrari **
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Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2017, 07:17:26 am
Saw that I mispelled it this morning in my driveway
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 14, 2017, 08:52:47 am
You have a "my other cars a Ferrari bumper sticker"?
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Post by: Patrick on February 14, 2017, 09:41:55 am
So tonight the wife and I are off to Chile. We're renting a cheap campervan and are going to drive all over Chile and Argentina for the next 2 weeks, can't wait :)
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Post by: jaDEB on February 14, 2017, 01:42:59 pm
lol, Mr Dividend - Correct...
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Post by: Orca on February 14, 2017, 02:05:07 pm
Sounds like great fun P. Enjoy but hurry now as the zar has broken through the 13.23 strong resistance and strengthening.
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Post by: Patrick on February 14, 2017, 02:48:16 pm
R13.13 now, should get good value for money!
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Post by: BussoV6 on February 14, 2017, 03:16:34 pm
Chile is a fantastic place to visit. I go quite often for work. Nice people and such a range of places to visit from the dry Atacama down to Patagonia.

Best is decent quality food & wine at a fair price. Pleasant change after Europe!
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Post by: Orca on February 14, 2017, 09:35:46 pm
ZAR made another poke at the 13.23 area but failed. let's hope she now stays below it and reaches the 12.99 and lower.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 15, 2017, 07:23:45 am
I hope our president says / fire something.
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Post by: Patrick on February 15, 2017, 09:12:18 am
Thanks Busso, this is our likely route if you have any tips: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Puerto+Montt/Osorno/Puyehue+Lake/San+Carlos+de+Bariloche/San+Mart%C3%ADn+de+los+Andes/Puc%C3%B3n/Conguill%C3%ADo+National+Park/Los+%C3%81ngeles/Valpara%C3%ADso/Santiago,+Chile/@-37.164508,-76.3718652,6z/am=t/data=!4m97!4m96!1m5!1m1!1s0x96183a4d6920f407:0x86a3f15a79a5c9df!2m2!1d-72.9411364!2d-41.468917!1m5!1m1!1s0x961764c1742fa651:0xef7ba395859ffcea!2m2!1d-72.4958333!2d-41.1041666!1m5!1m1!1s0x96171b961c7115f1:0x7df19a806a94bf91!2m2!1d-72.4968189!2d-40.6718713!1m5!1m1!1s0x961a7b1520c860e5:0x8210ae97cb7b9a65!2m2!1d-71.3102778!2d-41.1334722!1m5!1m1!1s0x96110e743605d0c7:0x71c43ffb1c66bc3a!2m2!1d-71.3524436!2d-40.1572103!1m5!1m1!1s0x96147f42351988d1:0x3c5c238b02dc5935!2m2!1d-71.9776285!2d-39.2722541!1m5!1m1!1s0x961346408e4cc715:0xefdca357d0266894!2m2!1d-71.6735439!2d-38.6910478!1m40!1m1!1s0x966bdd4669523657:0x8318f6229d680877!2m2!1d-72.3612251!2d-37.4629159!3m4!1m2!1d-73.0940143!2d-36.7808329!3s0x9669ca9ed61e17cd:0xadb985845cdd87b8!3m4!1m2!1d-72.9066909!2d-36.4814645!3s0x966844a8e2e4508b:0x799ee4d605a248!3m4!1m2!1d-72.6444634!2d-36.1909776!3s0x9668889ea396aa63:0x5e8e9cd6e79f1be5!3m4!1m2!1d-72.7781921!2d-36.1452091!3s0x96687c408d0c6e87:0x6f292d27213f5f13!3m4!1m2!1d-72.5736659!2d-35.8136791!3s0x966631b41da48641:0x98db20c376450e67!3m4!1m2!1d-71.9896145!2d-34.9223204!3s0x96669fa3286ea10d:0x59b594a6c3ed06e0!3m4!1m2!1d-71.7238116!2d-33.9836985!3s0x9663cf83563012cb:0x24be888f5893031!1m5!1m1!1s0x9689dde3de20cec7:0xeb0a3a8cbfe19b76!2m2!1d-71.6126885!2d-33.047238!1m5!1m1!1s0x9662c5410425af2f:0x8475d53c400f0931!2m2!1d-70.6692655!2d-33.4488897!3e0
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 15, 2017, 10:26:20 am
Should I trust that link?
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Post by: Patrick on February 15, 2017, 10:57:24 am
It's just a Google maps route link. No idea why it's so long.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 15, 2017, 11:10:50 am
Ahh I checked anyway :P living life on the edge
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 15, 2017, 11:11:09 am
HeHe
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Post by: Maurice on February 15, 2017, 11:38:02 am
EOH making a great comeback on the results announcement! Still don't know why it was sold down so much.
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Post by: Patrick on February 15, 2017, 12:04:14 pm
R12.99! Who would have called this in January last year, could have made an absolute fortune! I'm sending some money across next month, I really hope it holds.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 15, 2017, 04:25:47 pm
Sold mY ANH and BOuGht CCO ....
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Post by: gcr on February 15, 2017, 10:28:36 pm
The Rand Thread can someone pull up this thread as there were predictions as to where the Rand was heading
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Post by: Sebulba on February 16, 2017, 07:42:23 am
Astoria, just me or have they been on the decline for almost forever now.
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Post by: Hamster on February 16, 2017, 08:13:43 am
Astoria, just me or have they been on the decline for almost forever now.

They seem very conservative when it comes to investing and after they tried (or did?) give their managers shares at a very low price they got some real flak. I don't think people really want to touch them. Got rid of mine at a loss and I certainly won't buy their shares again.
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Post by: BussoV6 on February 16, 2017, 09:37:22 am
Patrick, your route through Chile looks excellent. You are def seeing the prettier half of the country although the dry north has some amazing sights. If the volcano across the lake at Puerto Montt isn't smoking you can climb up and take a look. It's one of my favourite Chilean towns, has a bit of a German mountain village feel.

San Antonio wine region between Santiago and Valparaiso is one of the favourite stops :-)   In Valparaiso, the house of Pablo Neruda is quite interesting if a little touristy on weekends. Fascinating collection he amassed.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 16, 2017, 08:29:32 pm
Please universe, please give us R1 for AXL
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2017, 07:22:02 am
I will hold thumbs for u - :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 17, 2017, 12:33:28 pm
Getting there, but not fast enough. I wanted it to be at at-least 70 cents by noon today.
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Post by: rietrot on February 17, 2017, 01:37:42 pm
Someone please fix my challenge profile. Sold ZED and it somehow got duplicated.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 17, 2017, 02:10:55 pm
@ Thor - I am trying dammit !!! :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 17, 2017, 03:54:18 pm
Come now AXL or TAS FFS TAS is getting on my nerve endings.
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Post by: Trade002 on February 17, 2017, 04:32:11 pm
@patrick,, will you please add texton property fund to the list of available shares to buy :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2017, 05:03:04 pm
Sure, might need a few days, I'm computerless in chile
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 18, 2017, 08:14:13 am
Having fun in the van Patrick? A little taster for the boat..
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Post by: Sweecoolgenius on February 18, 2017, 12:12:07 pm
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Post by: Patrick on February 18, 2017, 03:16:48 pm
Yeah load of fun, even in a torrential rain last night! Will post some pics when I find electricity. I brought an inverter along to charge my laptop but it turned into a smoke machine!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 19, 2017, 07:22:49 pm
Looking forward to what shoprite's results will be this week
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Post by: Hamster on February 20, 2017, 08:09:53 am
They make me so very very happy :( http://ewn.co.za/2017/02/20/anc-nec-members-to-use-special-meeting-to-call-for-gordhan-to-go
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Post by: czc on February 20, 2017, 11:02:42 am
So the shoprite Steinhoff merger is off
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Post by: mabena on February 20, 2017, 12:22:00 pm
any focus on african phoenix shares
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 20, 2017, 01:18:23 pm
Let AXL hit 80! Come npw
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 20, 2017, 01:18:32 pm
now*
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Post by: erwintwr on February 20, 2017, 03:07:55 pm
hmmm anybody able to buy AXL on investorchallenge?
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Post by: Orca on February 21, 2017, 09:04:42 pm
It is not available as it is a penny stock at 63c.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 22, 2017, 02:58:04 pm
Come now AXL!
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Post by: rjthomas on February 22, 2017, 03:27:04 pm
Why can't I find Purple Group (PPE) shares on the Investor Challenge?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 22, 2017, 03:30:25 pm
•An increase in the dividend withholding tax rate from 15 percent to 20 percent.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 22, 2017, 03:33:30 pm
@rjthomas PPE is a penny stock
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Post by: Orca on February 22, 2017, 06:54:33 pm
Oh dear. I got another smite. Maybe I should tone down a little.
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Post by: gcr on February 23, 2017, 09:33:51 am
Oh dear. I got another smite. Maybe I should tone down a little.
Smites are good - its character building ;D
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 23, 2017, 09:54:00 am
AXL making me so sad. So so SAD
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Post by: PirateJack on February 23, 2017, 10:30:22 am
JSE Overall getting smacked
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Post by: Maurice on February 23, 2017, 11:49:42 am
According to sharedata ALSI is up .18%
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Post by: rietrot on February 23, 2017, 12:11:27 pm
Almost top 20 in the challenge :)
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Post by: rietrot on February 23, 2017, 12:11:28 pm
Almost top 20 in the challenge :)
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Post by: gcr on February 23, 2017, 06:55:56 pm
Well my position improved significantly today, but, nothing like how my personal portfolio which improved by more than R 100,000, best single day this calendar year
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 23, 2017, 08:12:02 pm
how so?
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Post by: Orca on February 23, 2017, 08:50:56 pm
gcr must be doing penny stocks and not saying how much he lost beforehand or he is a billionaire.
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Post by: Hamster on February 23, 2017, 08:55:53 pm
gcr is retired, no? So I'm assuming he's got "safer" holdings than the rest of us.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 23, 2017, 09:24:35 pm
Well they do say the quickest way to make a million is to start with 2 million :P
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Post by: gcr on February 23, 2017, 10:25:04 pm
gcr must be doing penny stocks and not saying how much he lost beforehand or he is a billionaire.
Only penny stocks held are Alert Steel (suspended) and Nutritional - Bidvest, Cashbuild, Discovery. Massmart, PicknPay, and Truworth's all did very well today - reality is they could all be down tomorrow.
Yes I am a pensioner - since 2005 
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 24, 2017, 07:16:08 am
Nice one GCR - sometimes the stars align!
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Post by: Orca on February 26, 2017, 09:41:58 pm
Torrential rain and landslides in Chile so hope P and wife are ok.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 27, 2017, 09:00:37 am
Let phoenix rise today
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Post by: Patrick on February 27, 2017, 08:55:32 pm
I'm good thanks Orca. Feeling on top of the world in fact!
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Post by: Patrick on March 01, 2017, 08:02:15 am
Morning all, back at my desk again :(
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 01, 2017, 08:44:45 am
Altyd lekker
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Post by: czc on March 01, 2017, 10:37:06 am
Hey everyone new TFSA year
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Post by: Hamster on March 01, 2017, 03:22:04 pm
Morning all, back at my desk again :(

Back already?
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Post by: Patrick on March 01, 2017, 04:16:34 pm
Yeah, it was only a 2 week trip unfortunately, I think I could have done about a year to try get through South America.
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Post by: Hamster on March 01, 2017, 04:57:38 pm
Felt quicker than two weeks. Time flies.
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Post by: rietrot on March 02, 2017, 11:53:51 am
@Patrick Please fix my challenge profile. Sold ZED and it somehow got duplicated.
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2017, 12:20:20 pm
Done rietrot
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Post by: Chequitta on March 02, 2017, 02:56:58 pm
Hi Patrick. A colleague of mine is locked out of her profile and needs help logging back in. How should she go about retrieving her profile?
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2017, 03:35:42 pm
I think I can reset her password from my end, let me know which username she uses.
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Post by: Chequitta on March 02, 2017, 03:42:54 pm
Bdollarbill
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2017, 03:54:17 pm
 ;D
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2017, 07:13:10 pm
Thanks, I reset her password and mailed it to her.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 03, 2017, 08:36:59 am
I neeed coffeee
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Post by: Snapcase on March 03, 2017, 11:32:51 am
Haha, Lonmin killing me.  But I'm too far in to get out now.
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Post by: Hamster on March 03, 2017, 11:54:56 am
Another wonderful day on the JSE I see :(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 03, 2017, 01:07:21 pm
These investors are F%$#up, yesterday MTN was good enough for 9% inrease. They go home and read results and now it is down 4%
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 04, 2017, 02:41:01 pm
MTN is killing me
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2017, 08:04:29 am
Take over talks should push the price today?
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Post by: gcr on March 06, 2017, 09:35:56 am
I see there is an article regarding (Moneyweb) regarding Redefine and the impact of Brexit on its portfolio - to the extent that they are or will be considering their dividend distribution going forward.
There are some on this forum who concentrate on dividends as an income stream - surely this is going to be quite devastating to such investors as you get the double whammy of the reduced dividend but also the share price drop and would be hesitant to sell off the shares
Interested in knowing how the dividend seeks would play this - sell, or hold on - or rely on their overall portfolio to bail them out in the longer term
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Post by: Hamster on March 06, 2017, 09:56:33 am
Even more so if you consider the "momentum" that comes with people selling off large amount shares
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 06, 2017, 10:18:11 am
I hate capco thanks to brexit it will take me years to recover what was a good gain
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2017, 10:56:30 am
I also have Capco. But bought about 2 weeks ago.
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Post by: gcr on March 06, 2017, 11:45:52 am
Per my earlier post I see Texton released audited figures this morning div per share (rebased) up 7% to 47,95 cents but div (actual) per share down 6.9% and net asset value down 2.6%.
I have never been an acquirer of these REITS but surely they must be hurting holders of these investments, especially with the increase in tax on dividend tax and also the poor performance of this class of investment especially since Brexit
I see some have commented that they are taking pain - are you expecting to come out of this ok on the other side especially if your dividend stream diminishes and the price keeps falling as that ultimately will have an impact on future dividends - walnuts in a vice comes to mind.
Also does one wait before investing, as these REITS may buy back units which would improve dividend returns but would take a bunch of cash
Those who use these instruments as a source of continuous income/pension streams may wish to comment so that we understand the pitfalls and benefits in what has become a very volatile world market place   
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Post by: Moonraker on March 06, 2017, 12:30:23 pm
No div. withholding tax on local Reits (Tex) - only on the other one you mentioned RPL
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/alliance-news/detail/1486376095923359200.html

To understand the reasons for somewhat lower earnings outlook, they are moving to an EPRA based earnings metric.
Quote
Distribution policy and outlook

As announced in October 2016, the Company will be moving to an industry standard EPRA-based earnings metric. Adopting this earnings measure, adjusted only for necessary Company specific adjustments, allows for a closer alignment between earnings and operating cashflow.

To facilitate our leverage objectives and to provide greater financial flexibility, a medium-term dividend pay-out ratio within the range of 90% - 95% of our rebased earnings measure will be targeted. In the short term, some degree of flexibility in the pay-out ratio may be required to smooth distributions to shareholders following the transition to the EPRA-based earnings metric.

A full presentation will be delivered to investors and analysts today and will be made available on the Company's website. Shareholders should note the earnings per share guidance of 2.70 to 2.80 pence per share for the financial year ended 31 August 2017 is subject to suitable re-investment opportunities being secured. Growth in earnings per share is targeted to be 3.0% - 5.0% per annum over the medium term, subject to ongoing favourable market conditions.

EPRA Earnings: Exclusion of profits/losses from trading properties. If management consider that trading is a core recurring part of the business activity this could be added
back as a company specific adjustment to show ‘company adjusted Earnings’.

Unfortunately I hold RPL and am very disappointed, especially when compared to most of my other REITS which have returned in excess of 20% p.a. over the past 10 years.
I am down 38% on RPL which I bought 2years before Brexit. About 31% of the negative return is due to Brexit and R/£ xch. rate only.
Will probably sell to offset against a capital gain.

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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 06, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
Come AXL!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 06, 2017, 04:13:03 pm
LON . . . . .wth !! ??
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Post by: NowhereNinja on March 07, 2017, 08:48:07 am
what happened to PCT - Prescient Limited ? 80% drop in a day?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 07, 2017, 09:03:40 am
I am so glad I took profit on lommy and not got back in! That rights issue was gorgeous
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Post by: Orca on March 07, 2017, 10:47:12 am
PCT went ex divi last week. The huge divi will make up for the drop in share price. (85%)
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Post by: NowhereNinja on March 07, 2017, 10:57:30 am
PCT went ex divi last week. The huge divi will make up for the drop in share price. (85%)

Ok, i'm not shy to say I'm a complete newby to this, what does this mean ? They paying out a big dividend, and this caused their share price to drop that much? so if this was real-life, would you buy more of their shares at that low price? or is this an indication that something is wrong ?
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Post by: Orca on March 07, 2017, 11:14:51 am
They sold their IT section and had to delist that part. The 22c share price it is at now is fair value and you will get about 85c per share that you have. If their IT sector was unprofitable it will perhaps be good for the co but I cannot make a call on that as I know nothing about the co.
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Post by: gcr on March 07, 2017, 11:39:14 am
They sold their IT section and had to delist that part. The 22c share price it is at now is fair value and you will get about 85c per share that you have. If their IT sector was unprofitable it will perhaps be good for the co but I cannot make a call on that as I know nothing about the co.
Orca - the Moneyweb article has a different interpretation on what is happening - the IT is staying within the company and it is this segment which constitutes the share pricing of the share. The financial operations (no idea what they are) have been delisted - hence the dividend payout and will be managed out of the public spotlight. What I did find strange is the fact that there is a private shareholding register of the financial leg of the company - not sure if this was made known to all shareholder - could have been restricted to major shareholders
Those holder of these shares may want to read the Moneyweb article
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Post by: Moonraker on March 07, 2017, 12:12:23 pm
The South African economy contracted an annualized 0.3 percent on quarter in the three months to December of 2016, compared to an upwardly revised 0.4 percent growth in the previous quarter and missing market consensus of a 0.5 percent expansion.
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Post by: Orca on March 07, 2017, 12:27:47 pm
Yip gcr. I got it the wrong way round. http://today.moneyweb.co.za/article?id=678970&acid=544awEI2280eZeuwhd4cWQ%3D%3D&adid=9t5mO2H4WZgzlOOOYw3skQ%3D%3D&date=2017-03-07#.WL6KrzuLSyI
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 07, 2017, 03:31:08 pm
AXL being such a tease. It wants to go up and then it doesn't.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 08, 2017, 10:32:17 am
wHERE is the %$#@ search button.... ohh found it
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Post by: Hamster on March 08, 2017, 10:43:54 am
jaDEB nekkid pics
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Post by: jaDEB on March 08, 2017, 11:06:15 am
LOL
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Post by: Hamster on March 08, 2017, 07:16:19 pm
Tapatalk broken for anybody else?
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Post by: Orca on March 08, 2017, 11:06:18 pm
Hold thumbs for my wife. She has been diagnosed with throat cancer and we off to Porto oncology hospital early in the morning. My life is on hold.
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Post by: Hamster on March 09, 2017, 06:44:23 am
:(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2017, 07:24:39 am
:(
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2017, 10:14:53 am
Sorry to hear that Orca, I hope the hospital in Porto offers some better news.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 09, 2017, 10:23:37 am
Sorry Orca, all of the best to both of you.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on March 09, 2017, 12:19:29 pm
Sorry to hear that orca.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 09, 2017, 01:22:29 pm
Fck me! Sorry to hear that Orca. Good luck, I cannot fathom what you and she must be going through at the moment.
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Post by: Trade002 on March 09, 2017, 01:50:24 pm
Hey Patrick... will you please at The a texton property fund as a share to purchase
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 09, 2017, 04:07:57 pm
Ahh I could swear JSE:TEX was on there.
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Post by: bits on March 09, 2017, 09:07:22 pm
 :( Orca, strength to you both..
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2017, 09:57:34 am
What was Capital & Counties Properties previously known as ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2017, 10:27:02 am
Just added TEX.
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Post by: Snapcase on March 10, 2017, 10:58:15 am
Sorry Orca, my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer Dec last year.  Its not easy but stay strong. All the best.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2017, 11:02:22 am
Snapcase hope all turned out good :'(
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 11:33:05 am
Anyone know why Aspen has fallen today?
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Post by: Bundu on March 10, 2017, 11:57:44 am
Could AVV (ALVIVA) perhaps be added to the list of shares we can buy please?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2017, 12:15:56 pm
Interim results announcement APN was yesterday
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 01:02:31 pm
Doesn't that happen when results are announced not the day after?
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2017, 01:09:41 pm
APN - switching to ASC going on.
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 01:20:28 pm
Thanks moonraker
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Post by: Moonraker on March 10, 2017, 02:14:02 pm
Maurice, that's just my opinion :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 10, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
It takes a broker a day to read results properly and think about it. :)
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 03:12:17 pm
I wonder what drugs they are on?
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Post by: gcr on March 10, 2017, 03:44:16 pm
It takes a broker a day to read results properly and think about it. :)
I looked up their results but the sens message which came out yesterday is not time stamped on my Nedbank platform.
However if it was issued late yesterday afternoon then that could partially explain why the price moved only today.
Sometimes I think companies deliberately delay bad news until just on or after closing time so that they can "limit" price moves
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 06:22:17 pm
It takes a broker a day to read results properly and think about it. :)
I looked up their results but the sens message which came out yesterday is not time stamped on my Nedbank platform.
However if it was issued late yesterday afternoon then that could partially explain why the price moved only today.
Sometimes I think companies deliberately delay bad news until just on or after closing time so that they can "limit" price moves
I saw the results on sharedata at 8am yesterday we should point out that sites to the brokers
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Post by: Maurice on March 10, 2017, 06:26:21 pm
Aspen from almost 5% down to 1% down that was quite a ride
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Post by: Trade002 on March 13, 2017, 03:24:44 pm
Hi Patrick,,, it seems dividends tax is calculated based on 15% and not the 20% that is currently in place ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2017, 09:49:04 pm
Yes you're right, I need to update that for this year. It's terrible though.
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Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2017, 09:53:37 pm
okay, changed to 20%.
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Post by: Trade002 on March 14, 2017, 08:36:52 am
Yep,,, and will probably get worse in future
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Post by: Drummer on March 14, 2017, 09:00:36 am
PNC name change to AVV last week not being reflected in valuations ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 14, 2017, 10:48:42 am
Updated, give it 15 minutes to catch up.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 15, 2017, 11:00:40 am
Nee! AXL
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Post by: gcr on March 15, 2017, 08:50:29 pm
So interest rates have been increased in USA  :-[
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Post by: RayRay on March 15, 2017, 10:04:18 pm
So interest rates have been increased in USA  :-[
And then ZAR breaks R12.80 ceiling (or floor?)???. Overvalued USD based on 0.75% FED increase expectation?
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2017, 07:43:02 am
Yes, I was expecting a weaker rand but was pleasantly surprised.
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Post by: Hamster on March 16, 2017, 08:55:30 am
Yeah, I don't get it. If somebody can explain why the Rand didn't weaken but strengthened instead after the FED increase announcement it would be appreciated.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 16, 2017, 08:57:01 am
Becuase the currency manipulators are being investigated ie the rand is now less fabricated
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 16, 2017, 08:57:21 am
That is my opinion
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2017, 10:45:17 am
Commodity prices up, usually the Rant strengthens ?
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Post by: Hstig on March 16, 2017, 11:06:59 am
With the presentation yesterday, I think a lot of analysts were expecting a more aggressive easing of stimulus and faster more aggressive rate hikes. This was priced into the rand, and I think we are now seeing the correction of those expectations.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 17, 2017, 09:10:15 am
u got to be sh|tting me, u do a study and this is what u get, "By contrast, research by the Council for Industrial and Scientific Research last year found that shale gas exploration in the Karoo would create only between 60 and 900 jobs" 60 to 900 ? even Frikkie will do a better assessment.
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Post by: Hamster on March 17, 2017, 10:18:19 am
Typo?
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Post by: Hamster on March 17, 2017, 10:19:02 am
Oh come on, can't we just have one more day like yesterday for the INDII. Sooo close... :(
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Post by: buffie on March 17, 2017, 12:14:49 pm
Hi there.would it be possible to add the share Sacoil Holdings to the list of shares.The code is SCL
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Post by: Orca on March 17, 2017, 12:53:49 pm
SCL is a penny stock trading at 22c with only a few trades per session so it will not be included.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 17, 2017, 01:57:47 pm
Happy #StPatricksDay
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Post by: czc on March 20, 2017, 11:24:59 am
So who else is sitting at work today?
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Post by: Hamster on March 20, 2017, 11:54:39 am
/raises hand and hates himself for it :(
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Post by: Patrick on March 20, 2017, 12:02:21 pm
Don't feel too bad. I'm working today and tomorrow :(
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Post by: gcr on March 20, 2017, 02:17:54 pm
The leaderboard seems to think it is also on holiday - something askew with the lisitng and positions O:-)
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Post by: Patrick on March 20, 2017, 03:36:03 pm
Yeah, there's some trouble with the server today. Not sure what or why yet, but it looks like the price updates haven't gone off properly.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 20, 2017, 04:17:42 pm
http://www.biznews.com/undictated/2017/03/20/media-coverage-herbst/   Shocking.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 20, 2017, 04:24:44 pm
Server issues, altyd lekker. #HoldThumbs for you
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Post by: Orca on March 20, 2017, 08:19:28 pm
http://www.biznews.com/undictated/2017/03/20/media-coverage-herbst/   Shocking.
Shocking but relevant. Cry SA. My ex beloved country.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 21, 2017, 04:38:20 pm
Now I am having server issues. Sucks
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Post by: Patrick on March 21, 2017, 08:04:25 pm
Mine just went away, what's up with yours Thor?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 21, 2017, 11:13:22 pm
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 21, 2017, 11:14:41 pm
Unable to upload anything, i think they froze uploads as they migrate to teraco so I had to switch all attachments to go straight to AWS
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Post by: Hamster on March 22, 2017, 06:45:43 am
I knew things were going too well with ABSA for too long. Sold off an ETF on the 13th (Monday), cash cleared by the 16th (Thursday), money was transferred out of BDA but not in my bank account yet (22nd, today). So basically, my money is either stuck in purgatory at Bankserv or they transferred to the wrong account. Either way - more phone calls and admin from my side.

...and I had such high hopes for moving my TFSA to them. Now the trust is gone...again :(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2017, 08:26:36 am
Red Day ?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2017, 08:26:51 am
Sorry did I say Red Day? I meant Red Day
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 22, 2017, 09:02:10 am
Absa is not nice. Capitec ftw
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Post by: Hamster on March 22, 2017, 09:24:43 am
Unfortunately, Capitec doesn't have a stockbroking platform. I found and they "blamed" Bankserv. Told here the time is still excessive even for Bankserv. Apparently the transfer should happen today... so we wait
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Post by: Orca on March 22, 2017, 10:38:07 pm
I am now paying R1 400.00 less per month on my rent thanks to the exchange rate.  :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 23, 2017, 10:17:13 am
That is nice
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Post by: Patrick on March 23, 2017, 11:43:15 am
I moved some money offshore yesterday when it was at 12.67, so expect it to get even stronger now...
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Post by: Maurice on March 23, 2017, 11:57:58 am
Hey Patrick can you sell some JSE shares they are just falling
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Post by: Hamster on March 23, 2017, 04:09:13 pm
So it turns out the JSE decided to reverse the money transfer on their side. Sigh... Why?!!!!!!
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Post by: Trade002 on March 23, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Anybody know how to update share prices in an excel document ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 23, 2017, 05:42:25 pm
It's not going to be easy Trade, but here's the process: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/24285/use-online-data-in-excel-2010-spreadsheets/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 23, 2017, 06:27:31 pm
God dammit I hate losing, but! The current group leaderboard does satisfy my OCD
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 23, 2017, 06:27:55 pm
check it - > http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_groups.php
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Post by: Orca on March 23, 2017, 09:40:56 pm
I don't gamble with my and my family's money as many people do but as long as I beat the indexes I'm happy.
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 06:42:47 am
Please, God, let the INDI hit 7000 today. Just this once.
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Post by: Patrick on March 24, 2017, 08:31:00 am
Nice triangle there Thor, maybe you should choose a shoter name next time so you can do better :)
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 09:55:37 am
@Patrick, any idea why that thread of yours on MyBB was deleted?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 09:57:04 am
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 09:57:11 am
What thread?
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 10:00:51 am
His boss' wife who went missing :(
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Post by: Patrick on March 24, 2017, 10:10:10 am
Hey Hamster. It was a request from the office for privacy, so I asked for it to be deleted. There are updates in the news, but I've been asked not to talk about it publicly for now.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 10:32:13 am
Oh I recall. I send it to my boss - http://www.tablemountainhiker.co.za/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 10:32:29 am
The guy is on there 40 times a day
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Post by: Patrick on March 24, 2017, 10:42:14 am
Thanks Thor.
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 10:52:54 am
Hey Hamster. It was a request from the office for privacy, so I asked for it to be deleted. There are updates in the news, but I've been asked not to talk about it publicly for now.
Makes sense
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 11:21:35 am
Dont qoute in the chat box!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 11:21:42 am
Hurts my eyes
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 24, 2017, 11:23:58 am
I'm confused :0
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 11:39:01 am
About the qoute part?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 24, 2017, 11:43:16 am
Jip, lost in translation but never mind. :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 11:53:49 am
I am using the chatbox on the home screen, the chat box cannot render the qoute bit so it spews it all out hurting my eye balls
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 11:53:57 am
If that makes more sense?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 24, 2017, 12:10:31 pm
It does
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 12:18:48 pm
I am using the chatbox on the home screen, the chat box cannot render the qoute bit so it spews it all out hurting my eye balls

Pro tip: open the chatbox in fullscreen mode ;) http://shareforum.co.za/off-topic/live-chat/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 12:26:37 pm
Still does not render a qoute block. Still hurts my eyes. Live chat box etiquette do not qoute; Simply @Hamster someone :P
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 24, 2017, 12:29:39 pm
Sorry - see the link goes to the live chat thread. I like the box :P
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Post by: Hamster on March 24, 2017, 12:58:05 pm
Your sarcasm sensor is broken :(
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Post by: Orca on March 24, 2017, 11:14:16 pm
ZAR at 12.04. A very long red candle and I don't know why.
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Post by: Hamster on March 25, 2017, 07:25:07 am
Explain to this n00b what that very long red candle indicates?
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Post by: Orca on March 25, 2017, 11:04:05 am
Look in "The Rand" thread.
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Post by: Hamster on March 25, 2017, 12:57:53 pm
I can see the candle, but what does it indicate: Rand possibly getting stronger or weaker
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Post by: Orca on March 25, 2017, 05:43:17 pm
The pair is USD/ZAR so the first currency in the pair is USD. The action of the candle reflects the first mentioned currency and in this case it was a long red candle that shows the USD had weakened against the ZAR.
Had it been ZAR/USD then the candle would have been in the opposite direction (up) and green showing the ZAR had strengthened.
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Post by: Orca on March 25, 2017, 05:59:11 pm
I forgot to mention that the chart I posted was a 3 minute candle chart. So every candle takes 3 minutes to complete. Candles can be red and green, red and blue or white and black.
http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:introduction_to_candlesticks
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Post by: Hamster on March 25, 2017, 07:03:51 pm
Thanks :)
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Post by: Moonraker on March 27, 2017, 11:49:53 am
JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan has been told to return home from an international roadshow by President Jacob Zuma, Talk Radio 702 said on Monday. The rand fell as much as 0.5 percent following the report, while bonds weakened sharply.
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Post by: Patrick on March 27, 2017, 12:16:22 pm
These own goals by our government astound me.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 27, 2017, 12:21:55 pm
Indeed. It means cabinet reshuffle imminent.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2017, 12:57:29 pm
 South African union leader who is due to attend an investor roadshow with Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan denied reports on Monday that he had been ordered by President Jacob Zuma to return from the trip.
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Post by: Moonraker on March 27, 2017, 01:25:06 pm
What is going on? Impossible to make informed investment decisions.
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Post by: Hamster on March 27, 2017, 01:58:08 pm
Go 50/50 on everything. It's the only way.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2017, 02:01:50 pm
South African billionaire Elon Musk, chairman of American companies Tesla and SpaceX, has set his sights on increasing production at Hulamin, the listed industrial company that produces aluminium-based products in Pietermaritzberg.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2017, 02:02:06 pm
:)
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Post by: Hamster on March 27, 2017, 02:34:26 pm
THAT SMILE BETTER NOT BE BECAUSE OF THE RAND!!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2017, 03:00:21 pm
No cause of Mr Musk and the rant :), I have NPN & CCO
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2017, 03:08:32 pm
And just to confirm, you had confidence in ANC and Zuma? But I hope they do not fire Mr Gordhan. I like him, and he does not deserve it.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 07:10:54 am
Are we ready?
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Post by: Maurice on March 28, 2017, 07:59:26 am
If you want to buy some shares on the JSE do you wait a day or so?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 08:37:08 am
many factors in play, I sold and bought yesterday. But yes, maybe wait and see, but it might only get worse
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 08:41:43 am
How do you spell dick?
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Post by: Trade002 on March 28, 2017, 08:46:49 am
The Rand !! !!!
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Post by: Moonraker on March 28, 2017, 08:50:44 am
..head ?  Caramba ! ons is weer by 13.00 R/$
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 08:58:31 am
Patrick phone Mbeki and tell him to sort it
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Post by: Hamster on March 28, 2017, 10:25:09 am
jaDEB: How do you spell dick?

Not sure but I think it starts with a Z
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 10:28:25 am
...so sad what is happening. Let's hope for the best
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 01:45:36 pm
Awesome - Tesla’s stock was up 3% this morning in pre-market trading after the company disclosed through a SEC filing that Tencent, a giant Chinese holding firm, has been accumulating stock in the electric car company for a total 5% passive stake worth over $2.2 billion at the current price.
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Post by: Nivek on March 28, 2017, 01:58:14 pm
That's pretty cool, that means Naspers owns nearly 2% of Tesla :)
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Post by: Hamster on March 28, 2017, 02:03:15 pm
Tencent owned in part by Naspers
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 02:28:10 pm
Yes :)
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Post by: Moonraker on March 28, 2017, 02:35:17 pm
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2017-03-28-gordhan-going-molefe-not-in-running-to-replace-him---reports/
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 02:38:50 pm
It is GUPTA TV, so I will rather wait for real TV / News
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 02:39:19 pm
ANN7 television reported on Tuesday
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2017, 04:30:35 pm
PRETORIA, March 28 (Reuters) - South Africa's Pravin Gordhan said he was still the finance minister in response to a question as he attended a court hearing on Tuesday on a case he has brought against the Gupta brothers, a Reuters witness said.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 28, 2017, 05:06:18 pm
Seems @rjthomas is trying to be a little meany on Twitter. Won't end well son.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 29, 2017, 07:03:24 am
@ Thor - your twitter name? I would like to follow u
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 29, 2017, 08:39:42 am
...Do you want to harass me like mr Thomas? :P I'm kidding here -> @ErikThiart
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 29, 2017, 08:40:19 am
Please dont fire pravin please dont fire pravin please dont fire pravin
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Post by: jaDEB on March 29, 2017, 08:54:06 am
Followed, now u have to be carefull :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 29, 2017, 08:54:48 am
I think the rant indicates he is gone, hope not, but will see
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 29, 2017, 09:13:12 am
:P
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 29, 2017, 09:19:54 am
Oh, see he blcoked me.
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Post by: FransH on March 29, 2017, 09:27:22 am
Tawana for the win
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Post by: jaDEB on March 29, 2017, 02:39:27 pm
Rant below R13 :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on March 29, 2017, 03:24:21 pm
Cape Town - The rand reacted sharply on a report that President Jacob Zuma's plan to fire Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan is said to be opposed by three party leaders. The three said to be opposed is Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa, Secretary-General Gwede Mantashe and Treasurer-General Zweli Mkhize.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 29, 2017, 08:38:41 pm
Do we know who the 3 was that voted yes?
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Post by: Hamster on March 30, 2017, 05:23:18 am
My guess: Zuma, Duarte and Mkhize

Gwede, Ramsphosa most likely voted for Pravan and I reckon Mbete would've too. Well, my guess is that Duarte and Mkhize will do anything for Zuma.
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Post by: Hamster on March 30, 2017, 07:22:11 am
So if Dlamini-Zuma is made finance minister (instead of Brihavenoclue Molefe), would it be that bad?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2017, 07:41:09 am
@ Hamster, yes. They wana change to suit them, not RSA. We live in an interesting time, Brexit, Tesla, Zuma, ^%$# Guptas, drought. Imagine living somewhere boring like New Zealand.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 30, 2017, 07:42:05 am
And sorry add to list &^%$#%^&*^&%$#$# low oil price
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Post by: Nivek on March 30, 2017, 10:27:06 am
Interesed to see what the SACP has to say at their briefing today. Gordhan is one of theirs.
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Post by: Orca on March 30, 2017, 12:46:18 pm
Just when I thought I was coining it with the FX now this. I am going on the Vodka Diet. Loose 3 days in 1 week.
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Post by: gcr on March 30, 2017, 02:32:26 pm
Just when I thought I was coining it with the FX now this. I am going on the Vodka Diet. Loose 3 days in 1 week.
Don't buy Russian Vodka its getting too expensive - foreigners seem to be pulling funds out of sunny shambolic SA and moving to Russia because interest rates are improving there
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2017, 10:03:49 pm
Here comes trouble...
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Post by: gcr on March 30, 2017, 10:46:42 pm
Well the Rand has certainly plummeted :'(
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Post by: gcr on March 30, 2017, 11:35:42 pm
Well Gigaba is new Finance Minister and Gordhan is out
Now Zuma783 needs to be recalled, prosecuted and stuck in jail, maybe they can throw in a bit of treason as well
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Post by: Patrick on March 30, 2017, 11:50:55 pm
Malema always claimed Gigaba was captured, now we have proof.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on March 31, 2017, 12:11:14 am
Is shorting the rand easy money?
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Post by: Hamster on March 31, 2017, 05:20:07 am
http://www.intellidex.co.za/unusual-trading-foreign-exchange-futures-gordhan-recalled-london
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2017, 07:06:08 am
Interesting day ahead...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 31, 2017, 07:06:37 am
Maybe buy some Oakbay shares ... LOL ...
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Post by: Orca on March 31, 2017, 08:55:56 am
Is shorting the rand easy money?
Getting a quote will not be easy and when you finally do, the price would have moved on and you would get a requote and so on. OK if you have fast fingers and a very fast computer.
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Post by: Patrick on March 31, 2017, 09:01:47 am
Great link there Hamster. 175% in a few days is pretty good returns. I find the line near the end pretty interesting: Someone trading in this way out of, say, Dubai, would be almost impossible to detect.
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Post by: gcr on March 31, 2017, 09:28:12 am
This stupid idiot Zuma783 has cost me close to R 100,000 on my private holdings with his reshuffle :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on March 31, 2017, 01:39:25 pm
13.33 Rand pretty strong considering.
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Post by: MoneyChief on March 31, 2017, 02:40:14 pm
This stupid idiot Zuma783 has cost me close to R 100,000 on my private holdings with his reshuffle :'(

It's only numbers on a screen.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on March 31, 2017, 06:12:02 pm
Person: "There's nothing else you can do to screw up. You've done it all" Zuma: "Hold my beer."
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2017, 10:57:39 am
WHere is eVERy body?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2017, 10:57:51 am
Getting lonely here :'(\
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2017, 10:57:52 am
Getting lonely here :'(\
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Post by: Nivek on April 03, 2017, 11:08:59 am
We're too busy crying over the exchange rate to type :(
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Post by: Hamster on April 03, 2017, 11:39:20 am
Rand is losing quite a bit. If you listen to Cyril and Gwede there is a shimmer of hope that Zuma might get booted. Surely the Rand will spike....
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Post by: Moonraker on April 03, 2017, 11:48:53 am
Unlikely. Z. has done his homework. Majority in NEC still supportive of Z. This thing is here to stay, not a Nene replay scenario. Emigrate if you can.
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Post by: Patrick on April 03, 2017, 01:48:04 pm
It's a glimmer, like a candle glimmering on a birthday cake just before the cyclone arrives... Baleka Mbete is the cyclone and she's already scolded Cyril, Gwede and Zweli. I hope to be proved wrong next month.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2017, 03:04:56 pm
F&^%$ me, now I wanna cut my wrists... :'(
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Post by: gcr on April 03, 2017, 04:36:10 pm
F&^%$ me, now I wanna cut my wrists... :'(
Why - did you bail out of your shares on Friday and now they are all showing an improvement in values?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2017, 04:44:52 pm
No, I read Mr Bond and Patrick's notes below :'(. No I have NPN & CCO and keeping them for a while..
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Post by: Patrick on April 03, 2017, 06:32:14 pm
Junk :( :( maybe this will get rid of no 1
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Post by: Maurice on April 03, 2017, 07:13:31 pm
Let's hope ANC has the balls to get rid of him
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2017, 07:14:23 pm
783 is as good as gone. No doubt. The people of the country will drive him out if the NEC does not. I foresee mass protests as from tomorrow while 783 is having diarrhea with worry about his soon to be empty piggy bank.
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Post by: czc on April 03, 2017, 07:15:49 pm
I think the current leadership doesn't even care.
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2017, 07:30:28 pm
Rand-denominated debt – which constitutes 90% of the debt portfolio – retains its investment-grade rating.
S&P can reverse their rating if 783 is ousted and Gordhan is reinstated.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on April 03, 2017, 10:04:55 pm
My question is. Isn't it more strategic for the opposition parties to want Zuma to remain to further weaken the ANC, rather than drive him out now and strengthen the ANC come 2019. To me it would be more strategic to keep him in power.
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Post by: dividendtycoon on April 03, 2017, 10:28:52 pm
Sad what is happening in our country, but purely from an investment perspective I am quite excited about the next few weeks, will be lots of opportunities presenting themselves.
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Post by: gcr on April 03, 2017, 10:43:07 pm
Sad what is happening in our country, but purely from an investment perspective I am quite excited about the next few weeks, will be lots of opportunities presenting themselves.
Yup - keep your powder dry and buy up bargains - reminds me of 2007/2008 all over again
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 04, 2017, 08:14:55 am
Sigh.  Let me just bite my tongue.
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Post by: Hamster on April 04, 2017, 08:20:50 am
So glad some of my money is in unit trusts I cannot touch. The urges to sell and buy like a mad man is a real problem right now. I pity my poor ETFs though...hopefully a busy day at work :D
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Post by: Patrick on April 04, 2017, 08:20:59 am
I know. On the plus side, the only money I have invested locally is in DBXWD, so my and my sons TFSA balances are looking healthy. More good news is that Sygnia has bought the DBX trackers and plan on lowering the costs.
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Post by: Patrick on April 04, 2017, 08:21:30 am
But on the downside, my salary in dollar terms has taken a big hit, so I'll have much less to invest in future :(
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 04, 2017, 08:36:40 am
I want to earn dollars! Someone adopt me.
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Post by: Hamster on April 04, 2017, 09:33:46 am
Look at some of those shares go! Watch some of them in about an hour or two when people start claiming their profits...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2017, 07:39:03 am
Hird new Fin Min on radio, glid I has rant hidge shires :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 05, 2017, 08:39:23 am
He said in an interview that he celebrated Diwali at the Gupta compound. Isn't that nice.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 05, 2017, 09:19:45 am
Not very bright PR move, on the other hand it's in a 3rd world africa country - who cares
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2017, 01:40:53 pm
LON up 17% wow
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Post by: yozzi on April 05, 2017, 01:48:53 pm
Why don't Zuma and Wenger swap jobs?

Z has already taken SA down and I'd love to see him get Arsenal relegated and W is pretty stingy with the finances and doesn't look too coruptable so be good to let him be in charge of the country and purse strings!  :))
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Post by: Nivek on April 05, 2017, 02:57:15 pm
Haha!
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Post by: Datura on April 05, 2017, 03:04:50 pm
I dumped everything and went LON earlier.  Not in bottom 20 anymore :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2017, 03:22:25 pm
@ Datura, now if only u did it in real life :) ...
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Post by: Datura on April 05, 2017, 03:27:34 pm
I did it last year with LON.  Put in R1100 and took out R9500 the next afternoon
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Post by: Datura on April 05, 2017, 03:28:01 pm
Sorry, R7500
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Post by: jaDEB on April 05, 2017, 03:39:02 pm
Nice :)
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2017, 07:33:41 am
Sold STXIND in TFSA so sitting with equal parts foreign, domestic and cash.... do sit on cash (earning 7%pa daily) and ride this out or buy more DIVTRX/PTXTEN now that it is cheap?
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Post by: Patrick on April 06, 2017, 08:47:41 am
Where are you getting 7% on cash?
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2017, 09:40:40 am
EasyEquities pays 7% interest (effective) on cash in the account and they recently switched to calculating it daily... 0.018%
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2017, 09:41:00 am
Basically a better deal than the banks :D
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Post by: Patrick on April 06, 2017, 10:07:04 am
I thought it might be that, but they actually take 1.75% of that for "managing" the cash for you: https://resources.easyequities.co.za/EasyEquities_CostProfile.pdf ABSA stockbrokers take 1% leaving you with 6%, so they're slightly better. That's where I keep my cash now, but I'm looking for a better option. I'd like to have my cash beating inflation, while still being available in a few days.
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2017, 10:57:31 am
Well, it's stuck in the TFSA so can't be moved and the rest is up and down every other day
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Post by: Hamster on April 06, 2017, 11:00:13 am
Doesn't ABSA have a minimum amount that needs to be in the account before interest will be paid? And it's monthly, not daily as far as I'm aware so EE has a slight compound advantage
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Post by: Patrick on April 06, 2017, 01:05:00 pm
Yeah, they only pay if you earn more than R30 interest in a month. I'll have to do the maths to see if the compounding makes them better. I do this with my cash before I move it offshore.
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Post by: Nivek on April 07, 2017, 11:19:53 am
Everyone must be out marching today, it's very quiet here.
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Post by: Patrick on April 07, 2017, 01:43:04 pm
Fitch has just downgraded us to junk :(
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Post by: Maurice on April 07, 2017, 06:36:18 pm
Going to be quite a ride for the next while.
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Post by: Orca on April 07, 2017, 07:37:55 pm
SA stocks and the rand has been resilient so far and when one looks at what happened to Brazil when they went into junk status, it is not so bad. The REAL increased by 25%  over 1 year against the USD. Same politic problems. So hang in there.
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Post by: Hamster on April 07, 2017, 09:59:24 pm
Worst still coming if Rand's local rating is downgraded. Think I'll actually worry if news of that happening starts making the rounds.

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Post by: Moonraker on April 08, 2017, 12:41:47 pm
Worst still coming if Rand's local rating is downgraded. Think I'll actually worry if news of that happening starts making the rounds.
Well, Fitch has downgraded local Rand denominated debt to junk together with foreign denominated debt. If Moody's does the same, that's when the big selling of government bonds will take place as they then cannot be included in bond index trackers like Citibank World Government Bond Index and JP Morgan Emerging Markets Bond Index.
That will cause the R. to weaken further. Our S.A. Inc. shares have not priced in this scenario. Very baaa..aa..aad.
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Post by: Hamster on April 08, 2017, 04:39:18 pm
Didn't realise Fitch downgraded local as well ...

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Post by: Nivek on April 10, 2017, 10:44:08 am
Some good news: https://www.enca.com/south-africa/anc-to-rethink-nuclear-deal Maybe they'll cancel it and Putin will break JZ's kneecaps before feeding him a cyanide sandwich.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 10, 2017, 10:47:58 am
Sheez. I leave you people alone for one month and the whole economy is falling apart.
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Post by: Patrick on April 10, 2017, 12:57:06 pm
It wasn't me
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2017, 01:33:22 pm
 :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on April 10, 2017, 02:49:12 pm
I preferred the previous comment. Made me seem all bad-ass when all I actually did on Friday was sit at home having lots of conference calls :D
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2017, 04:27:57 pm
I saw a photo of u and Mr Mbeki?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2017, 04:28:15 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on April 10, 2017, 05:00:24 pm
Badass ---> (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/IMG_20170112_200403_zpsyltrya2l.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/IMG_20170112_200403_zpsyltrya2l.jpg.html)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2017, 05:07:51 pm
Ya, that 1, do u have an armoured vehicle in your yard.
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Post by: Patrick on April 10, 2017, 05:13:41 pm
Badassmobile ---> (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/image%2011_zpsxg5s2teo.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/image%2011_zpsxg5s2teo.jpg.html) :D
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2017, 05:37:23 pm
OK, u are one of the poor gupta's I take :)
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Post by: Moonraker on April 10, 2017, 07:48:35 pm
My bad-ass means of transport, Mr. JaDEB.  :whistle:
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Post by: jaDEB on April 11, 2017, 07:40:55 am
LOL, nice 1 Mr Bond :)
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Post by: Nivek on April 11, 2017, 08:59:44 am
Listened to a law expert on 702 this morning who made it sound like a closed parliament vote was a possibility  :P
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Post by: Patrick on April 11, 2017, 11:56:57 am
Mbeki has asked the MPs to vote for the wishes of the nation, not the ANC.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 11, 2017, 12:31:03 pm
Nee! - AXL just not doing what it is suppose to do.
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Post by: Maurice on April 11, 2017, 01:37:55 pm
How do you buy FFB in the competition?
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Post by: Hamster on April 11, 2017, 03:09:40 pm
Closed vote a real possibility. Holomisa really pushing for it. That guy seems to have a handle on things, I follow him on Facebook and as far as politicians go he doesn't seem that bad an oke.
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Post by: Patrick on April 11, 2017, 04:24:06 pm
Does anyone know how liquid FFB is? Liquid enough for the challenge?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 11, 2017, 04:29:13 pm
Does anyone know how liquid FFB is? Liquid enough for the challenge?

Pretty liquid. See attached.


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Post by: gcr on April 11, 2017, 07:41:33 pm
Well today was an exceptional day for me on the local market - I have 20 counters in my private portfolio and today barring one (Alert Steel) all showed positive price increases to the extent that my portfolio screen was totally green. I have only seen this on 3 occasions since 2007/08 which is quite remarkable. Some only showed a .1% increase but nevertheless the fact that my whole portfolio was green is what is unique as my portfolio normally shows gains and loses. Very intersting
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2017, 07:23:08 am
Well done :)
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Post by: Hamster on April 12, 2017, 09:44:20 am
@Patrick, why is MEI's price not updating on investor challenge?
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Post by: Patrick on April 12, 2017, 09:54:48 am
It looks like it's updating. Obviously 15 or so minutes behind though.
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Post by: Hamster on April 12, 2017, 10:03:16 am
Took forever to move off 12500. But working now so whatever
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Post by: Maurice on April 12, 2017, 10:53:25 am
Thanks for adding FFB Patrick, I like the gearing concept of it.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 12, 2017, 12:17:46 pm
Thanks for adding FFB Patrick, I like the gearing concept of it.
Hello, what gearing concept? Like practically all Reits, they hedge their currency and interest rates with derivatives. Is that what you mean?
FFB for a long term hold is virtually impossible to beat, as you will have gathered by looking at past performance and the latest divvie:-
"dividend increased by 25,12% from 62,81 cents to 78,59 cents per share compared to the previous period."

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/property/2017-02-10-europe-assets-boost-fortress-gains/
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Post by: Maurice on April 12, 2017, 12:26:29 pm
In My mind I see this as gearing the B shares
Quote
The Fortress A shares have a preferential right to income distribution and to capital participation in
the event of winding-up. The Fortress B shares are entitled to the residual distributable income and
capital participation on winding-up. The growth on the A share dividend is the lower of 5% or CPI.
From their interim report, my interpretation is  A shares get 5% growth in distribution and B shares the rest of the growth.
Has anyone got another interpretation?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 12, 2017, 12:29:36 pm
10c :)
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Post by: Nivek on April 12, 2017, 05:40:27 pm
Another green day for you GCR?
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Post by: gcr on April 12, 2017, 09:46:33 pm
Nope - BID, Rolfes, and Taste spoilt the party, but they do present buying opportunities if they drop a bit more (5-10%) in each case - trigger just waiting to be pulled >:D 
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2017, 07:45:34 am
With pretty much everything going wrong for the ANC yesterday, the rand is much happier.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2017, 07:51:59 am
Sorry, it is not the Rant, as much as we wanna believe. It is the Dollar weak
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Post by: Patrick on April 13, 2017, 08:26:48 am
Bit of both? We're also much better against the Euro and the Pound: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=ZAR&view=1W and http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=ZAR&view=1W
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Post by: jaDEB on April 13, 2017, 09:53:57 am
ok
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Post by: Hamster on April 13, 2017, 02:31:34 pm
GLPROP dividend: 124.8c .... pretty good even when you consider it is biannual
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2017, 08:13:11 am
Should be an interesting day for APN
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Post by: Hamster on April 18, 2017, 09:02:26 am
For APN and SGL
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2017, 09:42:57 am
And EOH
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2017, 12:02:15 pm
LONDON, April 18 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May will make a statement outside her Downing Street office at 1015 GMT on Tuesday following a regular meeting with her senior ministers, May's office said. It is unusual for leaders to make a statement outside Number 10 Downing Street and most prime ministers only use the setting for major announcements. Her office gave no indication on the subject of Tuesday's statement.
MAYBE a general election announcement - speculation?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2017, 12:18:53 pm
Yup general election on June 8th. May says she needs an election now because other parties are opposed to the government’s Brexit plans
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2017, 02:51:05 pm
Am I cynical because I don't believe her reasons for the early election?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 18, 2017, 03:14:34 pm
"A snap election resulting – May hopes – in a stronger Tory government and an unambiguous personal mandate is self-evidently the smart option. Such a victory would kill off the idea of a second referendum, and close down the argument that the electorate had not given consent to withdrawal from the single market. This will be a verdict on May, her version of Brexit and her vision for the country."

Hopes to increase Tory majority - to achieve hard Brexit. Of course there are risks, will have to wait and see.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2017, 04:35:58 pm
cco :)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 19, 2017, 10:53:09 am
CCO Part 2 :)
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Post by: Nivek on April 19, 2017, 10:55:18 am
Still a very long way a year ago.
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Post by: BussoV6 on April 19, 2017, 05:00:03 pm
Am I cynical because I don't believe her reasons for the early election?

Cynical..........  but spot on.  :D

All politicians are scumbags.
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Post by: Nivek on April 20, 2017, 09:29:11 am
Is anyone else surprised at how relatively strong the rand is? Imagine where we would be without Zuma.
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Post by: Orca on April 20, 2017, 10:20:54 am
The zar movement was large when Nene was removed as it was a surprise. The market was expecting for Gordhan to be removed so it had no real shock factor effect.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 20, 2017, 10:26:55 am
Yes, and because of strong inflows to our bond market. After US increases their Fed Funds rate 3 x things will change.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 20, 2017, 10:28:15 am
With political shocks of course things may change any time.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 20, 2017, 10:46:30 am
Tencents :)
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Post by: Hamster on April 20, 2017, 12:40:47 pm
EE late with dividends again...
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Post by: Fawkes85 on April 20, 2017, 05:14:03 pm
Anyone here us FNB app on iOS? If so, how do I get rid of those ANNOYING coupon notifications?
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Post by: RayRay on April 20, 2017, 08:40:31 pm
Today is Coreshares Divi pay day :-)
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Post by: Hamster on April 21, 2017, 07:58:42 am
Still no CoreShare divi payout on EE. ABSA paid on 19th already
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Post by: gcr on April 21, 2017, 09:38:24 am
Still no CoreShare divi payout on EE. ABSA paid on 19th already
Have you phoned them to find out what the delay is - as they seem to be co joined with ABSA and they have paid dividends
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Post by: JohnnyH on April 21, 2017, 10:03:06 am
From EE FAQ: PLEASE NOTE: Dividends are paid into the accounts of EasyEquities Investors, one day after we receive payment (payment date).
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Post by: JohnnyH on April 21, 2017, 10:03:56 am
Payment date for DTRX on SENS is the 20th, so we should be receiving our divs today, typically around 13:00 or so it seems
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Post by: Hamster on April 21, 2017, 10:23:27 am
PTXTEN? I already received the dividends in ABSA on the 19th. I see the SENS says 20th, so fair enough, but that doesn't explain how ABSA did it a day before then:

04/19/2017   FOREIGN DIV **** PROPXTEN
04/19/2017   REIT DIV **** PROPXTEN   

Either they jumped the gun or CoreShares paid out early and EE is taking their time gathering interest (which will be fine according to their SLA). I never checked the date in the SENS.
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Post by: JohnnyH on April 21, 2017, 11:11:09 am
No idea how ABSA does/did it...But I know EE always(mostly) pay only the following day. I have also wondered if they get some interest this way...or what other reasons are there that would prevent them from paying on the same day as the payment date. Maybe a cash-flow thing?
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Post by: Hamster on April 21, 2017, 11:15:04 am
If I'm not mistaken, EE makes use of one BDA account and keeps track of your account etc themselves instead of the JSE. This minimises costs...A LOT. Std Bank wanted to do that too when I was still at OST but not sure what ever came of that. I suspect it's because of that, or a clever way to gain a day's interest on it. Who knows.
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Post by: JohnnyH on April 21, 2017, 11:22:09 am
I doesn't bother me too much, I just record my payment dates as pmt +1. I do feel I have missed some opportunities because of this, but it has also "saved" me on other occasions, so I guess it balances out.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 21, 2017, 11:36:40 am
Gee vir my Groen
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Post by: gcr on April 21, 2017, 12:21:47 pm
If I recall my scrip days in banking the payment date is the company elected date, and what you will find is that a tape (or similar medium) would be passed to the banks ahead of the payment date as beneficiaries have already been identified as the last day to register has already passed. The banks then credit their clients, in my case my shares are in nominees so the company does not know that I am a shareholder. My dividends are always paid on the payment date or 1 day prior to payment date, but, never late. Also it depends how you elect to receive your dividends - if you elect to receive into a current account (as an example) then that has to be processed through the data processing systems of the banks. If you elect to have the dividends paid into your trading account then there is no delay in terms inter bank exchanges.
So I suspect that maybe those persons who elect to receive dividend to an account other than their trading account with their broker that they could end up with a delay due to the interbank exchange system which would delay dividend receipts by 24 or 48 hours
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Post by: RayRay on April 22, 2017, 08:25:41 am
The GLPROP distribution was 124.80c/share, on an LDT close of 3227c. Is my calculation of a semi-annual div yield of 3.8% correct? All things remaining equal, this would equate to an annual div yield of 7.7%?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 23, 2017, 12:47:50 pm
I admire Magda ..

"The rand and the bond market clearly reflect the fact that international investors are unaware of the political risks facing South Africa. They assume that mass demonstrations are a sign of change, like they are in Brazil. They are not. Unfortunately, we are at the beginning of our journey towards change, not at its end. Business can make international investors aware of that."

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2017-04-21-business-leadership-sa-finally-wakes-up/

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Post by: Patrick on April 23, 2017, 08:57:14 pm
I'm a fan too.
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Post by: JohnnyH on April 24, 2017, 04:13:07 pm
The GLPROP distribution was 124.80c/share, on an LDT close of 3227c. Is my calculation of a semi-annual div yield of 3.8% correct? All things remaining equal, this would equate to an annual div yield of 7.7%?

That would be awesome, but I kinda doubt it...Most ETFs have varying distributions. What makes me wonder is, when GLPROP was listed, they estimated the div @ 3.2% or something which I was assuming was the full year div. So I have no idea what the next 6 months will hold...
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Post by: RayRay on April 24, 2017, 05:05:29 pm
Let's hope for the best.
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Post by: marguerittereed on April 25, 2017, 03:39:13 pm
Is there any reason to worry about this?? EE not a Registered Broker but is FSB registered. Worries about Purple Group Share Price???
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Post by: Orca on April 25, 2017, 07:18:25 pm
Seems like traders decided to close that massive gap left by zar on Monday opening. It is now filed and hopefully will start gaining again.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 26, 2017, 08:03:38 am
EVerything is green, scaring the crap out of me....
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Post by: jaDEB on April 26, 2017, 10:34:55 am
wfy is ACL down so muchh, german accent
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Post by: Orca on April 26, 2017, 06:03:06 pm
Wonder why I'm still paying 15% DWT. I thought it went up to 20%.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 27, 2017, 09:44:40 am
LONDON (Alliance News) - Shares in private healthcare business Mediclinic International PLC jumped Thursday morning following a reported regulatory change in Abu Dhabi, waiving co-payments for private medical treatment.  Shares in Mediclinic were up 11% at 810.00 pence Thursday, shortly after the market open, the best performer in the FTSE 100.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 28, 2017, 08:53:11 am
MEdiclinic give me green today please
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Post by: Patrick on April 28, 2017, 09:05:33 am
Who else is working today?
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Post by: BussoV6 on April 28, 2017, 10:44:05 am
Who else is working today?

Yeah, me.  :(
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Post by: Hstig on April 28, 2017, 10:56:13 am
here
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2017, 11:25:04 am
Not me.
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Post by: Patrick on April 28, 2017, 12:28:47 pm
Wife give you the day off Orca? ;)
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Post by: gcr on April 28, 2017, 02:50:58 pm
If checking your portfolio regularly is considered working then am working - even though I have been retired for almost 12 years now
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Post by: Orca on April 28, 2017, 04:07:39 pm
Wife give you the day off Orca? ;)
Naah...All I have to do is take my wife across the road to the oncology center for her 20 minute radio therapy every day for the next 6 weeks.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2017, 11:25:57 am
me was to working, but took Tuesday off
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 30, 2017, 01:17:44 pm
All news seems filled with doom and gloom, starting to rub off on me.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 01, 2017, 09:52:55 am
Same, I think we need to take a step back and re-look at our investments. thinking of Moving Wife's pension to max allowed offshore. And I am looking at open offshore with Sasfin and slowly buy Tencent.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 01, 2017, 10:06:12 am
ps. I downloaded pltwealth thingy on my tablet. :)
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Post by: czc on May 01, 2017, 06:59:36 pm
T'was not a good day in anc leader land
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Post by: gcr on May 01, 2017, 10:36:12 pm
I thought it was an exceptionally good day for the ANC and its alliances. The alliance warned Zuma783 not to attend the meeting in Bloemfontein and he was roundly welcomes with lots of booes and hisses and some rather cryptic posters, and the photo of him glumly sitting on the podium was a classic shot of him looking glum/confused/petulant all at once. Then Mbete and Duarte (both lesser criminals the former faking her driver license and the latter hiding the fact that one of her family members severely damages her official vehicle) were also roundly welcomed by an enthusiastic crowd. Then Buffalo bill and Mkize (sp) were warmly welcome by their crowd but alas no invective posters to be seen.

Seems the gang is breaking up and we will soon have 2 very distinct camps. By the way what has happened to Jub Jub he has been remarkable quiet these last few days >:D 
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Post by: Hamster on May 02, 2017, 08:40:49 am
@Patrick, can you add ETFRHO to the challenge or is it left out for a reason?
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Post by: Patrick on May 02, 2017, 11:08:40 am
Added Hamster
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Post by: Hamster on May 02, 2017, 12:28:36 pm
Danke
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Post by: Moonraker on May 02, 2017, 01:01:45 pm
Hamster, Deutsch oder nur das "i" vergessen ?
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Post by: Hamster on May 02, 2017, 03:13:56 pm
Nein "i". Nein nein NEIN!!!
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Post by: Moonraker on May 02, 2017, 04:03:05 pm
Goeie genade! Dis 'n nadruklike 'nee'. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2017, 03:05:05 pm
What the hell, has everybody left the country? and left me here alone :'(
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Post by: Hamster on May 03, 2017, 03:18:08 pm
Nein
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2017, 03:25:25 pm
And to top it all, the Germans are invading me..
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2017, 03:25:40 pm
:)
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Post by: Nivek on May 04, 2017, 08:13:14 am
Ich bin hier.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 04, 2017, 09:00:24 am
Also sowas, noch einer.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 04, 2017, 08:46:20 pm
YA bol'she ne lyublyu investirovat'
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Post by: Hamster on May 05, 2017, 06:31:32 am
Ek wetie wat jy gese het nie maar jou BALLS ook hoor!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2017, 07:17:16 am
Se hom, se hom...(Kappies op e)
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Post by: Hamster on May 05, 2017, 08:00:42 am
Ek't hom gesê bra, hom en al die vroumense in sy family gesê!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 05, 2017, 10:14:41 am
lol
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 05, 2017, 11:10:27 am
Eet 'n komkommer
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Post by: Bread on May 07, 2017, 01:22:56 pm
Does anyone know why Hammerson isn't available to buy? In the Investor Challenge, that is.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 08, 2017, 08:25:29 am
Probably just not added yet he will probably add it soon.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 08, 2017, 10:00:58 am
Sygnia Limited fcking killing me.
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Post by: Patrick on May 08, 2017, 12:38:48 pm
Yeah, I didn't refresh the list in January so I missed the new listers. I'll add them and then check for other new people soon.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 08, 2017, 12:50:00 pm
SYG. Pending rights offer weighing on the stock. (DBX trackers acquisition).
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Post by: Bread on May 08, 2017, 06:42:53 pm
Thanks, Thor187.
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Post by: Datura on May 09, 2017, 03:51:40 pm
Went from 260th to 10th on the leaderboard after changing poor decisions into less poor decisions :)
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Post by: Orca on May 09, 2017, 08:41:04 pm
Beat you. I went from elevinty elevinth to um um.... he he... one hundred and elevinty hundred hundreds... he  he he.
Could not help that but well done. My shares are sucking big time and am too scared to even look at my real portfolio.
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Post by: Hamster on May 10, 2017, 07:00:34 am
/checks leaderboard
/notices 16 ETFs in the top 40
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Post by: Patrick on May 10, 2017, 09:00:33 am
I saw that too Ham, counted 30 ETFs ranked above me.
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Post by: Hamster on May 10, 2017, 11:58:41 am
Just goes to show... don't do it yourself :D
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Post by: jaDEB on May 10, 2017, 03:14:44 pm
Nope, It is fun doing it yourselve. And nothing is for free. :)
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Post by: czc on May 10, 2017, 05:54:46 pm
ADI basically bought a POS company
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2017, 08:20:49 am
WHat iS the sTuFf BELow tHe POsT NOte ?
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Post by: Patrick on May 11, 2017, 09:56:08 am
Where?
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Post by: Snapcase on May 11, 2017, 11:22:48 am
Woohoo, I'm positive finally.  Long may it last :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 11, 2017, 11:23:26 am
Are you positive about that?
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Post by: Snapcase on May 11, 2017, 11:30:20 am
Haha, no, short lived it seems and I'm negative again.  Such is life.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2017, 02:04:20 pm
@ Patrick, the lines below Post note, that does not get used?
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Post by: Patrick on May 11, 2017, 03:25:04 pm
You'll have to send me a screenshot ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 11, 2017, 04:41:09 pm
I am talking about the Forum below, it is not used so much any more, but rather the psot note.
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Post by: Patrick on May 11, 2017, 05:59:25 pm
I know, read just teasing. no idea why it's been so quiet lately. are people too upset to talk post junk stairs maybe?
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Post by: Bread on May 11, 2017, 07:10:53 pm
http://shareforum.co.za/Smileys/DarkB/LaughingHardSlappingTable.gif

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Post by: Orca on May 11, 2017, 07:17:34 pm
I cannot chat as much as I used to as I am away from home and I have not had the time to research stocks this year. Perhaps I will start reprimanding my stocks in June and irritate you guys again.
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Post by: Orca on May 11, 2017, 07:19:09 pm
http://shareforum.co.za/Smileys/DarkB/LaughingHardSlappingTable.gif

Yeah. That was my contribution to the forum.  :LHST:
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Post by: Nivek on May 12, 2017, 02:03:58 pm
I don't have that much to say, I'm mor of a reader here.
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2017, 04:38:23 pm
For some unknown reason, perhaps Patrick had something to do with it who knows, I can't post an emoji so I posted the link.
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2017, 04:41:32 pm
As in - http://shareforum.co.za/Smileys/DarkB/Wall.gif

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but as far as I know to post an emoji I must click in this space and then on the chosen emoji and it should place it in here. Like this..........     Or not!
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Post by: Orca on May 13, 2017, 05:13:03 pm
Left click on it and choose "save image as". When you post a comment you can attach it by clicking on the "Choose File" box and find it then click on it and then on "Open". Then "Post".
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2017, 07:56:21 pm
Nah, that still doesn't work. Maybe it's this stupid Edge that's making it so difficult.
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2017, 08:00:00 pm
Ah, yes  :)  :)  :)

It's Edge. Works fine in Firefox   :wtf:

Looks like Patrick neglected to mention anywhere that I wouldn't be able to post emojis when using Edge. Tut tut.
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Post by: Patrick on May 14, 2017, 08:37:20 am
That damn Edge, U2 should fire him ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2017, 02:26:18 pm
Tencent out with results this week, hold thumbs and BHP Billiton to drop Billiton from name. Where the ^%$# is Moneypenny.
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Post by: Bread on May 15, 2017, 07:18:20 pm
That's weird. Last week I was -5.49% this week -6.16% when I don't hold anything  :wtf:
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 16, 2017, 12:06:08 pm
I've been busy okay, stop shouting ;)  Mozambique, graduation, fly-fishing & Harley, back yesterday.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2017, 02:43:42 pm
:)
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Post by: Hamster on May 17, 2017, 10:19:35 am
invest.coreshares.co.za ...they've got the pie graph EasyEquities aren't implementing. UI looks nice (from screenshot). Costs look impressive
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Post by: Hamster on May 17, 2017, 10:21:13 am
Only drawback - CoreShare ETFs only. Can I live without DBXWD and NFEMOM though. Replace with CSP500 and CTOP50?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 18, 2017, 12:57:31 pm
I need more green
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Post by: Hstig on May 18, 2017, 03:59:57 pm
SGL rights issue priced @ R11.28, almost a 60% discount.
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Post by: gcr on May 18, 2017, 06:39:12 pm
Must be desperate to raise cash :))
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Post by: Bread on May 19, 2017, 06:55:29 am
Would anybody including Patrick know why my position in the Investor Challenge dropped from -5.49% 2 weeks ago to -6.16% with no holdings?  :wtf:
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Post by: jaDEB on May 19, 2017, 08:17:02 am
Patrick is a politician?
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Post by: gcr on May 19, 2017, 09:51:22 am
If has probably got something to do with fees :LHST:
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Post by: Snapcase on May 19, 2017, 11:51:36 am
NOt maybe because you saw it at 5.49% prior to your sell clearing with the actual price 15mins later?
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Post by: Patrick on May 20, 2017, 01:44:54 am
It's a mystery but I'll look into it when I'm back from my leave.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 21, 2017, 05:56:04 pm
leave again!!! and I thought I had lot's of time off!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 21, 2017, 07:35:04 pm
Rolfes please climb today
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Post by: jaDEB on May 21, 2017, 09:45:19 pm
had to google what leave means ?
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Post by: Patrick on May 22, 2017, 09:34:17 am
Haha yeah, I took a week off. I get 6 weeks a years so I can't complain at all on that department. Went to Hamburg and London.
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Post by: Hamster on May 22, 2017, 12:01:17 pm
Deposited funds on Wednesday already and the trade still hasn't happened on CoreShares :/
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2017, 12:52:45 pm
FFS, now I have to google what is Hamburg & London. Just stop telling us Please !!
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Post by: Datura on May 22, 2017, 03:38:31 pm
6 WEEKS???  I am officially the *INCREDIBLE SULK* :(
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Post by: jaDEB on May 22, 2017, 04:45:03 pm
lol
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2017, 07:43:29 am
FFS, now I have to google what is Hamburg & London. Just stop telling us Please !!
This is a Hamburg:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/Mobile%20Uploads/20170517_1553112_zpsnveaa9x9.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170517_1553112_zpsnveaa9x9.jpg.html)

And this is a London:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/pgpatrick/Mobile%20Uploads/20170519_2308012_zpskgy84rct.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/pgpatrick/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170519_2308012_zpskgy84rct.jpg.html)

Now you know.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 23, 2017, 11:50:14 am
What the "bright sparks" in our government should be going for:https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-23/macron-tackles-france-s-labor-code-in-first-domestic-policy-push
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Post by: Bread on May 23, 2017, 03:43:57 pm
Glad I don't stay in Hamburg. They have crooked buildings that look like they might topple over.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 23, 2017, 04:27:04 pm
Sygnia Limited worst damn share I ever owned in my life.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 23, 2017, 05:09:55 pm
Oakbay shares tanking
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Post by: Patrick on May 23, 2017, 08:56:43 pm
And the Rand is strengthening. Recall coming soon?
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Post by: Hamster on May 23, 2017, 09:09:07 pm
Sygnia Limited worst damn share I ever owned in my life.
Never owned Astoria?

Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk
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Post by: Hamster on May 23, 2017, 09:11:59 pm
And the Rand is strengthening. Recall coming soon?
ANC will be "discussing" it end of this month. Gordon somehow managed to be on the SOE Portfolio committee or something and called out Molefe and said the whole Eskom board should resign.

So either that or people really don't care much for the noise anymore.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 24, 2017, 07:26:50 am
Only recall will be the contractor to fix a fault on Zuma's pool.
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Post by: Patrick on May 24, 2017, 08:26:54 am
Only recall will be the contractor to fix a fault on Zuma's pool.
:D  :LHST: :wall:
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Post by: Orca on May 24, 2017, 10:35:55 am
The ANC chief whip sure called Zuma's bluff by appointing Gordhan to the SOE portfolio committee. PG knows every cloudy deal that is and has happened in SOE's . So Z is back to square one and must be spitting fire.
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Post by: Maurice on May 24, 2017, 02:16:54 pm
There is never a dull day in SA politics
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Post by: Orca on May 24, 2017, 10:24:28 pm
Please pray for my wife. She is in a coma after a cardiac arrest due to treatable throat cancer. I am devastated.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on May 25, 2017, 06:58:04 am
Thoughts are with you Orca
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Post by: Hamster on May 25, 2017, 07:28:18 am
Please pray for my wife. She is in a coma after a cardiac arrest due to treatable throat cancer. I am devastated.

Sheesh dude, my thoughts are with you.
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Post by: Patrick on May 25, 2017, 07:40:24 am
So sorry to hear that Orca, hoping things improve soon.
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Post by: Orca on May 25, 2017, 09:26:18 am
That's what chemo and radio therapy does. They take you to the brink of death then they stop therapy. Wife had 27 sessions and only 6 left to go.  :'(
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Post by: BussoV6 on May 25, 2017, 09:32:00 am
Wow, my thoughts are with you. Chemo is very hard on the body.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 25, 2017, 10:05:05 am
Truly sorry to hear that, my thoughts are with you and your loved ones O.
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Post by: gcr on May 25, 2017, 11:09:56 am
Orca - all strength to you and the kids through this very trying period. They say every cloud has a silver lining - may this be true
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Post by: Maurice on May 25, 2017, 11:21:39 am
So sorry to hear that Orca hoping for the best.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 25, 2017, 02:35:49 pm
Thoughts and prayers with you and your family
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Post by: Snapcase on May 25, 2017, 04:35:37 pm
Sorry to hear that Orca, thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this tough time.
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Post by: Bread on May 25, 2017, 08:56:51 pm
Sorry to hear. Prayers have been sent.
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Post by: czc on May 26, 2017, 09:21:09 am
Prayers go out to your wife and family Orca.
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Post by: Moonraker on May 26, 2017, 09:47:10 am
My sympathies Orca, I hope all will turn out alright.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 26, 2017, 11:04:19 am
Sigh, Telkom-wifi screwing around again. :(
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Post by: Datura on May 26, 2017, 01:01:49 pm
Barloworld revored well...
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Post by: jaDEB on May 26, 2017, 01:11:43 pm
ok Patrick, see my poll now, changed it to help you
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Post by: jaDEB on May 26, 2017, 01:14:17 pm
Also note you cannot buy less than 100 Tencent shares, Hong Kong Rules :'(
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Post by: yozzi on May 28, 2017, 09:14:16 pm
Orca, I've only seen your sad news now and all strength to you and the family and be positive and all will turn out for the best
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Post by: Nivek on May 29, 2017, 10:01:41 am
Isn't it fun watching the ANC train wreck go full speed off the cliff? Everyone can see it's going to be a massive disaster, but they just keep going.
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Post by: czc on May 29, 2017, 11:25:38 am
Would you guys go for Cash Divi or Scrip Distribution Alternative?
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Post by: Patrick on May 29, 2017, 12:02:53 pm
AFAIK a scrip dividend means you don't need to pay the 15% divvy tax. That's quite a bonus.
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Post by: czc on May 29, 2017, 12:09:38 pm
20% divi tax these days
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Post by: Patrick on May 29, 2017, 01:05:20 pm
Ouch oh yeah, I forgot about that :(
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Post by: Nivek on May 29, 2017, 01:10:26 pm
ANC NEC: "Brian Molefe must be removed from his role as Eskom chief executive, but his skill set must not be lost". Would that be his skill set in finding ways to make the Guptas richer?
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Post by: gcr on May 29, 2017, 05:03:04 pm
Here's a conundrum which I just can't fathom the logic of the markets reaction to. Taste is instituting a claw back offer wherein existing shareholder can take up (on a ratio basis) additional shares at R 1.50 and that they will rank with the existing shares at the same par value. Now I can fathom that the share should move marginally lower than current prices to offset the greater quantity of shares in circulation. But surely the sellers would want to get a better price for their shares if they were selling based on the price of the share on the announcement date, which as the order of about R 1.95. However I see it is trading at about R 1.76. So buyers should theoretically pay more for the share right now to take advantage of being allocated shares and at the lower price, and they can then sell at a better price above the R 1.50 and make a small profit. I just find it strange that the market is seeing something that I am not seeing, because without a doubt I will follow my rights and take up the shares as the majority of their costs for conversion and the acquiring of the right to sell international product has been largely taken up in their last results released today   
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Post by: dividendtycoon on May 30, 2017, 10:50:48 am
Here's a conundrum which I just can't fathom the logic of the markets reaction to. Taste is instituting a claw back offer wherein existing shareholder can take up (on a ratio basis) additional shares at R 1.50 and that they will rank with the existing shares at the same par value. Now I can fathom that the share should move marginally lower than current prices to offset the greater quantity of shares in circulation. But surely the sellers would want to get a better price for their shares if they were selling based on the price of the share on the announcement date, which as the order of about R 1.95. However I see it is trading at about R 1.76. So buyers should theoretically pay more for the share right now to take advantage of being allocated shares and at the lower price, and they can then sell at a better price above the R 1.50 and make a small profit. I just find it strange that the market is seeing something that I am not seeing, because without a doubt I will follow my rights and take up the shares as the majority of their costs for conversion and the acquiring of the right to sell international product has been largely taken up in their last results released today

It makes sense give the results released yesterday. They were terrible, and I would be quite worried if I had a material shareholding, the cash situation is pretty dire.
To answer more specifically the price will move according to how valuable the market views those R1.50 TAS shares to be issued. Last week people were still prepared to pay R2 for 1 share knowing that they would need to spend R1.50 per share to maintain their existing shareholding.
 I think the point that one can forget is that after you acquire your R1,50 shares, which are about 20% of the total number you have, ALL your shares will (in theory) drop in price at the effective date, to take into account the dilution. So while you may make a profit of say 18c on your 100 R1.50 shares if the share go's to R1,68 after dilution, you will make a loss of 7c (175c-168c) on your original 500 shares after dilution. In that case you would be a net loser, but this is just a theoretical example. Think in terms of a share going ex-div.

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Post by: gcr on May 30, 2017, 12:24:27 pm
I hold 60,500 of Taste shares and at present they are a tax advantage  :'(. But feel that over the next 5 years their price will improve as the benefits of their 2 primary brands start contributing. Seems pizza's and coffees are the flavor of the decade?
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Post by: dividendtycoon on May 30, 2017, 01:09:01 pm
Personally I prefer Grand Parade, but at the current share price of TAS not sure I would sell out either. Starbucks and domino's could do very well if they get through the next few years, so patience will be required. Fortunately there is an anchor shareholder with very deep pockets so it is likely they will survive, but I would monitor this one very closely as the cash position would worry me.
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Post by: gcr on May 30, 2017, 02:08:35 pm
Personally I prefer Grand Parade, but at the current share price of TAS not sure I would sell out either. Starbucks and domino's could do very well if they get through the next few years, so patience will be required. Fortunately there is an anchor shareholder with very deep pockets so it is likely they will survive, but I would monitor this one very closely as the cash position would worry me.
Now here I differ Grande Parade has wallowed along for years ( 9 to be precise) not knowing what business it wanted to be in from piggy backing on Sun International, their Worcester Casino, Real Africa holdings etc. The problem for me was Hassen Adams made almost daily bulletins on what the business was going to do and also the rapid change of directors. So after all these years in gaming they have decided to focus on foods. Not sure if they have updated their brands data recently as they show all their gaming brands but nothing about dunkin donuts
I used to hold their shares way back but sold out . Their best period seems to have been around September 2014 when the price got to R 7.60 and it has progressively dropped since then - now on offer at around R 3.60
So in my opinion you may have to hold these shares for 10 years to see them get their act together, and I don't believe they are au feit with the food industry - so why go into it :question: 
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Post by: dividendtycoon on May 30, 2017, 03:52:22 pm
Personally I prefer Grand Parade, but at the current share price of TAS not sure I would sell out either. Starbucks and domino's could do very well if they get through the next few years, so patience will be required. Fortunately there is an anchor shareholder with very deep pockets so it is likely they will survive, but I would monitor this one very closely as the cash position would worry me.
Now here I differ Grande Parade has wallowed along for years ( 9 to be precise) not knowing what business it wanted to be in from piggy backing on Sun International, their Worcester Casino, Real Africa holdings etc. The problem for me was Hassen Adams made almost daily bulletins on what the business was going to do and also the rapid change of directors. So after all these years in gaming they have decided to focus on foods. Not sure if they have updated their brands data recently as they show all their gaming brands but nothing about dunkin donuts

I used to hold their shares way back but sold out . Their best period seems to have been around September 2014 when the price got to R 7.60 and it has progressively dropped since then - now on offer at around R 3.60
So in my opinion you may have to hold these shares for 10 years to see them get their act together, and I don't believe they are au feit with the food industry - so why go into it :question:
Respectfully disagree completely. I have attended some of their presentations lately as well as the AGM every year , they are very focused on the food business. What they have left of the gaming business is for annuity income, and Grandwest is still a cash cow. They have Burger King and Dunkin Donuts/Baskin Robbins, but also a big chunk of Spur now (about 18%). I believe Hassen Adams wants control of Spur, which has been grinding out profits and dividends since 1987.
I have been holding this share since 2010 and am a big shareholder, so may be biased, but think their capital allocation skills much better. Since 2010 I have received R1.72 in dividends, TAS shareholders about 25c. In 2010 there were about 200m TAS shares, after latest rights issue about 460m. In 2010 there were about 469m GPI shares, after recent buybacks about 450m. GPI could also probably sell remaining gaming assets for about R1,5bn, who knows what TAS will get for jewellery biz, but not even half of this. GPI cash flush without even selling gaming assets, TAS on their knees without rights issue and selling jewellery.
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Post by: gcr on May 30, 2017, 04:53:18 pm
Well I suppose we have our preferences - which does make for interesting times.
I held shares in Grande Parade, but still when they were Cape Empowerment - from recollection the Spur holding goes back to the early BEE days. What does concern me then and still now is that Adams does not have any expertise in food businesses other than strategic holding where as Gonzaga has and Taste have taken on as directors Grant Pattison (Massmart) who is pretty astute when it comes to massmarkets
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Post by: dividendtycoon on May 30, 2017, 05:03:56 pm
It will be interesting. Regarding the experience, my sincere hope is that Burger King etc will be 'sold' to Spur for an increased shareholding in Spur. Spur will then take over the food business including Burger King etc, and they are very qualified. By the way, Hassen Adams jointly owns Cape Town Fish Market, in his private capacity.
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2017, 09:26:44 am
D - interesting article on Moneyweb this a.m. touching on Famous Brands Taste and Grande Parade
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 31, 2017, 01:25:17 pm
Nee
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2017, 02:43:50 pm
I see we have trolls back on the forum :-[
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Post by: Fawkes85 on May 31, 2017, 04:05:08 pm
How does one now use iTrade website when no browser supports Java anymore???
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Post by: Patrick on May 31, 2017, 04:54:49 pm
Troll free again. Thanks for the report all. 178780 (yes that's the actual number!) Spammers blocked up until today, and counting...
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Post by: jaDEB on May 31, 2017, 05:41:04 pm
Nee? WHat Thor ?
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2017, 06:17:40 pm
Hi Patrick - can you please include Long 4 Life Limited (L4L) in your list of tradable shares - Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2017, 08:34:53 am
It'll be there just after markets open GCR.
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Post by: Hstig on June 01, 2017, 09:40:40 am
how are you going to treat the rights offer for SGL?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 01, 2017, 09:58:14 am
@jaDEB, there was a spammer in the livechat selling organs so I said, Nee.
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Post by: gcr on June 01, 2017, 10:07:43 am
It'll be there just after markets open GCR.
Thanks Patrick
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2017, 02:54:10 pm
Why is we so red ?
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Post by: Bread on June 01, 2017, 03:10:26 pm
 :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on June 01, 2017, 03:16:03 pm
 South African pension funds have cut their holdings in local government bonds to the lowest level in nearly 4-1/2 years because of political turbulence in the country, but yield-hungry foreign investors are proving less hesitant
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Post by: Orca on June 01, 2017, 10:22:02 pm
I took a calculated risk to keep my money in rands. I am not gloating about it but I did warn about going into USD many months ago.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 02, 2017, 07:16:57 am
I bought @ R12.95 (12%) of my portfolio is going into Tencent & Tesla
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Post by: jaDEB on June 02, 2017, 01:33:09 pm
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Post by: Moonraker on June 02, 2017, 02:50:26 pm
Patrick, could you please add GRP - I would like to monitor its progress (on Leaderboard)
Check here for volumes:-  http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/quickshare.php?scode=GRP
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 02, 2017, 03:56:58 pm
Sygnia msp. this thing just keeps falling, defuq are they doing at that company?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 02, 2017, 03:57:15 pm
Seems way more to politically involved
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Post by: Moonraker on June 02, 2017, 06:38:07 pm
Whew. Standard & Poor's (S&P) has kept South Africa's long term foreign currency rating at BB+ with a negative outlook.  The local currency rating remains at investment grade at BBB- with a negative outlook.
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2017, 11:13:41 am
@Orca, I moved money out at R14.30, today it's R12.80. At that time I sold DIVTRX for R28.05, today it's R28.06, but I imagine the sell price is actually lower. Let's call it even to be easier.

I then bought VWRD then for $68.01, today it's $78.14. All in all I made a currency loss of 12%, but an investment gain of 15%, so to me at least, it looks like a good move!

How are things with you wife lately? I'm really hoping you have some hope on that end.
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Post by: Orca on June 03, 2017, 09:31:40 pm
Check my retirement blog.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 06, 2017, 11:48:58 am
AXL gee vir my bietjie groen assablief
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Post by: gcr on June 06, 2017, 12:27:34 pm
So a recession has been confirmed for the country
So whereto from here :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 06, 2017, 02:11:57 pm
Down? or is there hope for up?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 07, 2017, 10:04:58 am
down
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Post by: jaDEB on June 08, 2017, 11:37:12 am
Do i laugh or cry "The National Union of Metalworkers of South Africa (NUMSA) said on Thursday it had tabled demands for wage hikes of 15 percent across the board in the metal and engineering sectors."
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Post by: czc on June 08, 2017, 12:14:01 pm
Sadly I hope they strike long enough so that we can justify a project delay :(
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Post by: Maurice on June 08, 2017, 12:32:03 pm
The market looks k@k today, will the fall stop soon?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 08, 2017, 02:12:55 pm
Looked k@k for months now
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Post by: Hamster on June 08, 2017, 02:59:35 pm
Yeah, it's getting a bit depressing atm. Sideways for a very long time and every time it seems like there will be a bit of growth it just falls over. And the DA mess, Zille's hardheadedness (right or wrong), EFF threatening to pull support if she stays... I need a drink
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Post by: Hamster on June 08, 2017, 03:00:21 pm
And to top it all of, Clown Mantashe blames the private sector for the recession because according to him government is doing great!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 08, 2017, 10:16:41 pm
With us they block the roads, was bad last strike. So if they strike I hope u get the project delay and there is lay offs later.
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Post by: Patrick on June 09, 2017, 06:07:51 pm
What time will we hear from Moody's?
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Post by: Bread on June 11, 2017, 06:01:27 am
2200 tonight SAST.
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Post by: Patrick on June 11, 2017, 07:35:47 pm
Thanks, saw the downgrade step with a negative outlook. I think the next review will be one to worry about.
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Post by: Nivek on June 12, 2017, 11:09:18 am
Happy monday everyone
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Post by: Nivek on June 12, 2017, 03:05:15 pm
Must have been a good weekend, everyone is too hungover to chat.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 12, 2017, 03:27:00 pm
Nope, watching my NPN, Tencent and Tesla like a hawk...
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Post by: gcr on June 12, 2017, 03:39:40 pm
Can't be too happy with Naspers drop :'(
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Post by: Patrick on June 12, 2017, 04:19:05 pm
I'm just shocked Hlaudi was fired even though the whole of South Africa loves Hlaudi. Tis true, ask him.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 12, 2017, 05:32:53 pm
:'(
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Post by: jaDEB on June 12, 2017, 05:45:28 pm
TecH seems TO REcover is US :)
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Post by: Maurice on June 13, 2017, 08:21:14 am
Who is watching NPN? Is this dip a good time to add some shares?
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Post by: Datura on June 13, 2017, 09:57:01 am
What the hell happened to my Naspers :(  wow!!!!
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Post by: Datura on June 13, 2017, 09:59:35 am
Bought more :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 13, 2017, 10:07:55 am
US tech stocks dropped which affected Tencent and that brought down Naspers. How's that for a connection!
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Post by: Bread on June 13, 2017, 10:28:04 am
TecH seems TO REcover is US :)

Huh?
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Post by: Datura on June 13, 2017, 10:31:32 am
Thanks for the nutshell explanation, Patrick :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 13, 2017, 12:52:32 pm
Looks bit better today :)
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2017, 04:25:09 pm
damn it, was running some updates and I broke the site. It's back now but I still need the update!
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Post by: Patrick on June 14, 2017, 04:25:26 pm
If anyone notices anything else weird please let me know
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Post by: jaDEB on June 14, 2017, 04:35:04 pm
Like Seagulls in my kitchen?
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Post by: Orca on June 14, 2017, 07:49:36 pm
Like Seagulls in my kitchen?

When last did you take your meds? Brakpan has no sea you know.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 15, 2017, 07:50:18 am
I do take my meds, but it is not helping with the voices in my head. We have Boksburg lake, hence the seaguls.
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Post by: Bread on June 15, 2017, 11:47:26 am
 :D
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 15, 2017, 12:23:06 pm
Starting to become an unhappy Taste holder...
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Post by: Patrick on June 15, 2017, 01:37:17 pm
I think all the mining shareholders are also rather unhappy.
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Post by: Hamster on June 17, 2017, 03:21:17 pm
I'm starting to get nervous about all this crypto-currency stuff. You can't ignore it completely so have to jump in but the way some of these guys are going about it is borderline fanatical.

We're talking guys pulling all or most of their investments from the JSE and dumping it into bitcoins and ether because "the JSE is doing nothing". Then you get articles like the one where Morgan Stanly basically states that the sudden surge in bitcoins value cannot really be explained, that bitcoins need to be regulated and that you should be able to track the transactions for it to become a viable product to invest in. Man did the bitcoin guys freak out (and by "bitcoin guys" I mean the average Joe who became a cryptocurrency expert in the last two months).

Nothing Morgan Stanley said was wrong but they're being called dinosaurs by the guys that will be hurt most if this goes wrong. You can track the transactions but you cannot attribute names to the transactions as far as I am aware. It only takes a few countries that accepted bitcoin as a currency to backtrack on that decision (promotes illegal activities etc) for it to all come tumbling down.

And every day there is another coin out there which brings the exchanges and online wallets to their knees. Outages everywhere.

I silently wish the currency side of blockchain would crash and burn and that sanity can come back to the investment world. It's insane what's going on. BTC just "crashed" internationally but on the local exchanges it is powering on at almost 20% higher than the international price and not even hinting at a crash O.O
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Post by: gcr on June 17, 2017, 09:28:53 pm
My kids have set up a whole computer system to mine bit coins internationally and they anticipate making about R 4,000 per month after electricity costs as this seems to be a high component of the cost of mining - net they are looking at R 3,000 per month so would pay off their investment within 14 months. My biggest concern is that there is a faceless group of people who create bit coins into the market and it seems that it is an open ended and has no basis for the creation of these coins. As Hamster says there is no regulations governing the whole crypto coin scenario, however it is a fantastic way of moving funds from country to country without any exchange control interventions, so in essence it promotes money laundering. I have no doubt that in the not too distant future the whole charade will collapse especially when governments see it as a means of money laundering, and as a mechanism of funding terrorist attacks.
This could be bigger than the tech bubble and more significant than the devastation that bubble created, but I don't think it will have a material impact on stock exchange markets as the tech disaster had.
I told my kids to treat this as a life experience, be prepared to writer off any losses and learn to differentiate between a plausible investment rather than a get rich quick scheme       
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 19, 2017, 10:56:56 am
Actually Bitcoin is not open ended. It will be limited to 2.2 million coins.
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Post by: Hamster on June 19, 2017, 11:39:30 am
They keep using that 2.2 million limit as a reason for it to maintain its value as it will be more "sought after". What happens though when these other cryptocurrencies which are already popular become more "sought after" or gain momentum because they are easier to mine?
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Post by: czc on June 19, 2017, 12:12:14 pm
I for one wait for the Galactic Credit Standard :p
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Post by: Patrick on June 19, 2017, 12:25:00 pm
What if bitcoins are like tulips?
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Post by: SirDieALot on June 19, 2017, 01:59:12 pm
Actually Bitcoin is not open ended. It will be limited to 2.2 million coins.

its closer to 21 million.
the thing with crypto currencies is there is no government involvement. Means trading can happen without some government or central authority controlling transactions.
my thinking why the there is so much interest now is people are starting to realize there is no truly free market out there. Crypto currencies try and achieve that.
and what nice about something like ethereum is that they adding new features like smart contracts. no need for a third party to provide expensive services. now it can be done a lot cheaper.
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 19, 2017, 02:07:36 pm
I stand corrected
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 19, 2017, 02:12:57 pm
They keep using that 2.2 million limit as a reason for it to maintain its value as it will be more "sought after". What happens though when these other cryptocurrencies which are already popular become more "sought after" or gain momentum because they are easier to mine?

They are only easier to mine in the beginning. Like Bitcoin they all become harder and harder to mine as time goes on. And yes, more coins will come on the market all the time but not all of them will gain the fame that coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum have achieved. The weaker coins will fall by the wayside leaving us with the stronger ones. Not saying cryptocurrencies are without their shortcomings, but they are Zuma/Trump/politics proof and that is what I like about them. Pretty stupid to put all your money into them though. Like with anything else, you need to diversify.
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Post by: Hamster on June 19, 2017, 02:19:04 pm
my thinking why the there is so much interest now is people are starting to realize there is no truly free market out there. Crypto currencies try and achieve that.

I reckon 99% of people who own them are looking to make a quick buck and will bail the moment its "growth" starts flattening out
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Post by: Orca on June 19, 2017, 03:31:17 pm
Last count this morning was 61 dead. This was the only road out the area in central Portugal.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-18/portugal-forest-fires-leave-scores-dead/8628896
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Post by: czc on June 19, 2017, 05:50:32 pm
What if bitcoins are like tulips?

Your refer to this crash?

(http://www.thebubblebubble.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Tulipomania.gif)
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Post by: Patrick on June 20, 2017, 07:57:45 am
Last count this morning was 61 dead. This was the only road out the area in central Portugal.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-18/portugal-forest-fires-leave-scores-dead/8628896
Too many fires lately. Pretty terrifying, I imagine we would have had a lot more dead in Knysna if they weren't able to escape via the beach.
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Post by: BussoV6 on June 20, 2017, 09:20:09 am
Bitcoins are the digital equivalent of gold...
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Post by: Hamster on June 20, 2017, 09:51:52 am
Bitcoins are the digital equivalent of gold...

Digitally, we're back in the old Wild West days except you're not the cowboy trying to rob the train of its gold, you're the guy whose gold is being transported.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 20, 2017, 12:40:37 pm
Wow, ACL @ R5 level and LON @ R10 Level, Nice ANC nice ...
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Post by: Nivek on June 20, 2017, 04:16:14 pm
It's mind boggling. Almost as if there's a committee somewhere who try come up with the most damaging own goals around.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2017, 07:48:49 am
I can buy 8 ACL for a price of 1 packet of Cigarettes
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Post by: Fawkes85 on June 21, 2017, 09:14:55 am
You smoke cheap cigarettes ;)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 21, 2017, 10:31:22 am
champix you two...
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2017, 12:48:27 pm
or 4 Lonmin shares
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Post by: jaDEB on June 21, 2017, 12:49:10 pm
or 0.0157 NPN
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Post by: Patrick on June 22, 2017, 08:45:45 am
How many Tesla's?
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Post by: BussoV6 on June 22, 2017, 10:43:07 am
It's mind boggling. Almost as if there's a committee somewhere who try come up with the most damaging own goals around.

And they are doing a fine job....
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Post by: jaDEB on June 22, 2017, 08:40:45 pm
0.012091 TSLA
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Post by: Bread on June 24, 2017, 05:37:47 pm
Does anybody know where and how I can download European share prices? At the moment I am paying PSG R169.00 for their end-of-day prices cos I'm using their Wen Professional software but I would like to trade other markets.
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Post by: Orca on June 24, 2017, 08:12:54 pm
I live in Europe and have difficulty with that. 
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Post by: Moonraker on June 25, 2017, 08:59:29 am
https://www.cash.ch/kurse/aktien/deutschland/dax-index-frankfurt-fra
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Post by: Bread on June 25, 2017, 07:12:16 pm
https://www.cash.ch/kurse/aktien/deutschland/dax-index-frankfurt-fra

Thanks for that, Moonraker, but how do I get the info off all the shares in the Euro to load into my software?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 26, 2017, 10:36:33 am
Sorry Bread, I have no idea.
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Post by: Hamster on June 27, 2017, 09:29:04 am
EasyEquities US share investing!! Think they're testing it with this competition, I see Tesla on there: http://bit.ly/2rWIgbC
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Post by: Hamster on June 27, 2017, 02:50:51 pm
Pretty damn sad that an inflation ETF is in the top 6 of the investor challenge. This must be the worst year so far for the challenge.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2017, 07:50:19 am
Where the ^%$# hell is moneypenny
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Post by: Maurice on June 28, 2017, 08:23:16 am
Does this help? https://www.missmoneypenny.co.za/products/colourblock-dress
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Post by: Orca on June 29, 2017, 08:33:29 am
Zuma, Gigaba, PP Busisiwe Mkhwebane and Zwane are competing on who can
destroy the SA markets the most.
SA market up 1,9% since January while EM's MSCI index up 17%.
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Post by: Hamster on June 29, 2017, 09:25:14 am
Zuma, Gigaba, PP Busisiwe Mkhwebane and Zwane are competing on who can
destroy the SA markets the most.
SA market up 1,9% since January while EM's MSCI index up 17%.

You made me look. AMIB50 is up over 10% sine April launch
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Post by: Hamster on June 30, 2017, 11:52:15 am
New SATRIX ETFs coming: World Feeder, Emerging Markets Feeder and S&P500 :)
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Post by: Nivek on June 30, 2017, 12:49:03 pm
Good to hear, I'd use that in my TFSA. What is in the world feeder?
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Post by: Hamster on June 30, 2017, 01:02:18 pm
World feeder will probably have the usual suspects - Apple. Alphabet, Microsoft

Looks like the emerging markets one might use this as the underlying fund: https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/products/264659/ishares-msci-emerging-markets-imi-ucits-etf

Which means Tencent, Alibaba, Samsung etc.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 04, 2017, 05:36:01 pm
Thanks Mr Bond
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2017, 04:01:27 pm
What happened to the rand today, did I cause a massive exit of cash from SA? Nooo I still need to take more offshore for a few years, I was wrong it's the best place ever to invest, bring the cash baaaaack!
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Post by: jaDEB on July 05, 2017, 04:03:34 pm
ANC agrees Reserve Bank should be nationalised, 'to ensure its independence'
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2017, 04:10:44 pm
Phew, It wasn me
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Post by: jaDEB on July 05, 2017, 04:15:47 pm
I saw a photo of u and Mr Mbeki?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 05, 2017, 04:16:02 pm
It is U
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Post by: Bread on July 05, 2017, 10:14:55 pm
 :D
You remind me of all the people who left and then came back when they realised how good it is over here.
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Post by: Bread on July 06, 2017, 05:24:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2h84TORcJI
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Post by: yozzi on July 07, 2017, 10:35:59 am
New SATRIX ETFs coming: World Feeder, Emerging Markets Feeder and S&P500 :)

Went to the ETFSA SATRIX presentation, re the above new ETF's, in CT last night and very interested in taking up the Initial Public Offering (IPO) before July 17th but have a question how do I take up this IPO with funds based offshore? Asked my offshore broker this morning if I could do this but he says they are not allowed to participate in IPO's in SA
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Post by: Patrick on July 07, 2017, 01:36:55 pm
Server gremlins again, if anyone notices anything weird please mail me.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 10, 2017, 03:27:09 pm
JSE is plat
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Post by: Hamster on July 11, 2017, 06:36:06 am
JSE is plat

Luckily, none of us own an ALSI ETF :p

Funny thing about index investing, the Vanguard execs don't use them themselves :D (According to Heystek anyway)
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Post by: yozzi on July 11, 2017, 12:23:34 pm
New SATRIX ETFs coming: World Feeder, Emerging Markets Feeder and S&P500 :)

Went to the ETFSA SATRIX presentation, re the above new ETF's, in CT last night and very interested in taking up the Initial Public Offering (IPO) before July 17th but have a question how do I take up this IPO with funds based offshore? Asked my offshore broker this morning if I could do this but he says they are not allowed to participate in IPO's in SA

Any ideas guys or have I put this post in the wrong thread?
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Post by: Bread on July 11, 2017, 04:40:49 pm
JSE is plat

Luckily, none of us own an ALSI ETF :p

Funny thing about index investing, the Vanguard execs don't use them themselves :D (According to Heystek anyway)
Just as I decided to put some of them on my watchlist. Thanks for the warning. Maybe I won't now anymore.
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Post by: Hamster on July 11, 2017, 04:55:19 pm
JSE is plat

Luckily, none of us own an ALSI ETF :p

Funny thing about index investing, the Vanguard execs don't use them themselves :D (According to Heystek anyway)
Just as I decided to put some of them on my watchlist. Thanks for the warning. Maybe I won't now anymore.
What? Index unit trusts/ETFs?

Still the best route for the average guy. Wouldn't recommend against it here in RSA.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 11, 2017, 05:14:27 pm
Oh my, what happened with the Challenge guys?  Best after 7 months 23%, rest sub 10% and less - come on - get your act together. ;-0
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 11, 2017, 06:16:44 pm
Any significant newcomers listed on the JSE recently?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 11, 2017, 06:44:25 pm
Get me up to speed please forumites. ;D   Bad boys for this year so far after quick scan: MTN, CUR, NTC, LON, SGL, BSR, HAR, DRD and good girls: CND, AEG, NPN, BIL, KIO, DCP, SHP? Yes? No? Any share standing out long or short since beginning of the year?
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Post by: Hamster on July 11, 2017, 06:50:37 pm
Any significant newcomers listed on the JSE recently?
New SATRIX ETFs ...don't think that's what you were after though :p
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Post by: Bread on July 11, 2017, 08:06:28 pm
ETFs.
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Post by: gcr on July 11, 2017, 11:57:40 pm
No significant newcomers on JSE - but Oakbay will delist shortly :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on July 12, 2017, 07:47:40 am
What happens if u have (I do Not) shares. Do u loose u money?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 12, 2017, 08:47:03 am
Thank you
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Post by: Patrick on July 12, 2017, 09:04:02 am
Oh my, what happened with the Challenge guys?  Best after 7 months 23%, rest sub 10% and less - come on - get your act together. ;-0
South African government happened! Welcome back, I thought you might have moved to Australia already :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 12, 2017, 09:39:00 am
Same-old, same-old hey.

It's a long process, New-Zealand though - not AUZ but I'll still trade SA. ;)   
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Post by: jaDEB on July 12, 2017, 10:11:42 am
Sad, person from our company is also leaving, moving to US. 3rd person so far in 2 years. I must just remember to switch the light off.
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Post by: Bread on July 12, 2017, 12:40:18 pm
What happens if u have (I do Not) shares. Do u loose u money?
From what I understand, although I have received no confirmation, is that your cash balance goes up and down with the prevailing interest rate of some or other bank at some or other predetermined length of time. Probably the money market rate.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 12, 2017, 02:01:47 pm
Any significant newcomers listed on the JSE recently?

kaapagri is interesting. Does very well, not sure why! Was thinking that maybe they own a lot of their properties?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 13, 2017, 09:34:57 am
Dankie
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 13, 2017, 01:14:55 pm
Kaap Agri is a well run business. It's a rare breed in Today's economy.
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Post by: gcr on July 13, 2017, 03:01:35 pm
Kaap Agri is a well run business. It's a rare breed in Today's economy.
Kaap Agri used to be an over the counter operation years ago in the PSG stable through Zeder, but once they terminated over the counter trading they had to come out of the darkness so to speak - This company forms part of the Stellenbosch mafia grouping - but K-A is under the Mouton umbrella which is the who PSG conglomerate and has strong links to Christo Wiese and Markus Jooste (whose big interest these days is horseracing) and their names all pop up with the Steinhoff groupings
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Post by: Orca on July 15, 2017, 09:39:19 pm
Chris Hart predicted the zar to get to 20 against the $ by year end 2016. Did not happen.
Last week Moneyweb stated that the zar is in a confirmed downtrend. WTF? ZAR continues to gain as long as Z keeps his mouth shut.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 15, 2017, 10:56:36 pm
Stellenbosch Mafia is a myth, take it from a fellow member :P
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Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2017, 09:32:01 am
Frozen fingers this morning. not the best week to be carless!
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 17, 2017, 10:00:53 am
Try leather gloves with thermal gloves underneath.  Had a breakfast run early yesterday morning at high speed, felt no cold.  :)
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Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2017, 01:45:05 pm
Interesting, also what were you riding?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 17, 2017, 02:29:17 pm
She was driving with Heated hand grips :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 17, 2017, 02:55:49 pm
Haha, Harley -pillion
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Post by: Patrick on July 18, 2017, 04:07:20 pm
How do you keep warm if you can't pedal for heat ;)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 19, 2017, 09:24:19 am
Hehe, that’s funny.  I don’t pedal – I’m not a Flintstone.  I guess it has a little something to do with the clothes.  Long John’s, jeans, leather chaps, leather boots, thermal gloves with leather gloves, leather jacket, buff bandanna.   Oh, and the music and chatting with friends while riding distracts from cold as well, I’ve honestly not been cold once.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 19, 2017, 11:45:52 am
Braver than me. Bike hasn't been taken out for a few weeks now. The older I get, the softer I get :)
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Post by: Hamster on July 19, 2017, 12:06:38 pm
I've also been using my car for the most part the last three weeks. Starting to wonder if the bike's battery is still going to work after all this cold and not moving :D
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2017, 04:10:03 pm
My CCO today is like moneypenny on her motorbike, all over the f%$# place
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Post by: Hamster on July 20, 2017, 06:39:03 am
ETFs, ETFs everywhere. Coming to a platform near you:

Sygnia Itrix MSCI Emerging Markets ETF
Sygnia Itrix Global Bond ETF
Sygnia Itrix Global Property ETF
Sygnia Itrix 4th Industrial Revolution Kensho ETF
Sygnia Itrix S&P 500 ETF
Sygnia Itrix Top 40 ETF
Sygnia Itrix SWIX 40 ETF
Sygnia Itrix All Bond ETF
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Post by: Maurice on July 20, 2017, 09:21:01 am
Is there a performance difference between a SWIX top 40 and Top 40 ETF?
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Post by: Patrick on July 20, 2017, 09:35:54 am
Big difference. SWIX has done much better in the past. Here's the 5 year charts for both: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=Fund&symb=ZA%3ANFSWIX&x=35&y=8&time=12&startdate=1%2F1%2F1996&enddate=1%2F1%2F1999&freq=2&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=ZA%3ASTX40&comp=ZA%3ASTX40&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=262144&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=64&style=370&size=4&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=15
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Post by: Hamster on July 20, 2017, 10:12:40 am
SWIX was created to get rid of the "resource heavy" problem and in turn created an "industrial heavy" index. So in my mind SWIX performs better than the regular top 40 because 1.) resources aren't doing that great and 2.) Naspers and SAB

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Post by: Maurice on July 20, 2017, 10:47:27 am
Thanks  nice site Big charts
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Post by: jaDEB on July 20, 2017, 03:45:23 pm
What !! South Africa's central bank unexpectedly cut its benchmark repo rate by 25 basis points to 6.75 percent on Thursday saying a near-term improvement in growth was unlikely but that the inflation outlook had improved
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Post by: Patrick on July 20, 2017, 09:42:34 pm
@Orca, I can't remember if you still have SA citizenship, but it looks like something you might want to give up one day. I know I will if they enact this after I leave: https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/business-and-economy/2017-07-20-the-taxman-plans-to-follow-you-overseas/
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Post by: BussoV6 on July 21, 2017, 08:50:54 am
This will affect lots of expat South Africans, specially those working in low-income tax countries such as UAE etc etc.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 21, 2017, 09:59:45 am
No problem, I will give up SA Citizenship in a heartbeat, no loss.
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Post by: Orca on July 21, 2017, 10:49:24 am
I was born in Finland and never had SA citizenship. My wife is South African but as she emigrated officially, the proposed tax law does not affect her as she is no longer an SA resident. Her primary home is here in Portugal and she is registered for tax here.
It will only apply to SA tax residents working abroad.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 21, 2017, 12:01:58 pm
I assume u are very upset with RSA Moneypenny... it is hart breaking how certian %$#ers are making good people like you leave :'(
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 21, 2017, 01:21:38 pm
No jaDEB, not upset, but reality is I have 2 boys and I don’t think they will be allowed to reach their full potential in peace here.  It’s sad ‘cause they are bright and dedicated and would have picked up all around them, but yeah. Sayonara.  
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Post by: jaDEB on July 21, 2017, 03:38:22 pm
Yes, agree with you. Know people that moved there, but please note, I am sure u are aware "The country records more than 14,000 earthquakes a year – but only about 150 are usually felt. Schoolchildren in the country regularly undertake earthquake drills"
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2017, 09:57:12 am
The NZ average number of deaths from Earthquakes is 15 per YEAR. The average number murders in South Africa is 49 per DAY! Is it really a hard choice?

Incidentally there are 46 people murdered in New Zealand per year as per last statistics, so you're still three times more likely to be murdered than die in an earthquake over there.
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Post by: Hamster on July 24, 2017, 10:01:12 am
The NZ average number of deaths from Earthquakes is 15 per YEAR. The average number murders in South Africa is 49 per DAY! Is it really a hard choice?

NZ Population: 4.7
SA Population: 55.9

Death rate NZ: 0.000003191489362
Death rate SA: 0.000000876565295

:p
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2017, 10:04:13 am
I think you missed something Hamster, the numbers for New Zealand were per year and SA were per day!

Your stats should look like this:
NZ: 0.000003191489362
SA: 0.0036906382978723

SA has over 1156 higher chance.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 24, 2017, 10:13:27 am
I’m more afraid of ‘economic death” and degradation than anything else.
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2017, 10:14:35 am
You and me both. The discussion of wealth taxes and citizenship rather than residency based taxes has me doing a lot of research!
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Post by: jaDEB on July 24, 2017, 12:43:53 pm
%$#@ typed message 3 times ^%$# bomb out, thus short
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Post by: jaDEB on July 24, 2017, 12:44:49 pm
Am not saying do not go, go by all means, spoke to NZ yesterday, they are happy there.
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Post by: Nivek on July 24, 2017, 04:44:12 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-03/these-countries-are-getting-more-miserable-this-year?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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Post by: Hamster on July 24, 2017, 07:21:45 pm
I think you missed something Hamster, the numbers for New Zealand were per year and SA were per day!

Your stats should look like this:
NZ: 0.000003191489362
SA: 0.0036906382978723

SA has over 1156 higher chance.
Yeah, I missed the per day part. That makes quite a difference :D :(
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Post by: jaDEB on July 25, 2017, 11:10:38 am
KIO :)
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Post by: Fawkes85 on July 26, 2017, 08:25:33 am
Can anyone recommend charting software that give live prices?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 26, 2017, 08:52:00 am
Sry mine is all 15 min delayed. think u have to pay for live prices
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Post by: Fawkes85 on July 26, 2017, 09:28:20 am
I do not mind paying...if it is not too much. Might make due with 15min delay. Which one are you using?
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 26, 2017, 09:49:51 am
PSG Online, R40 for 15 min delayed JSE prices (online investor), R139 for live price (live trader) – trade 3x or more per month then live price is waived (R99), still pay R40 for account though.

@ Patrick, where do you source your 15 min delayed prices for all JSE shares (in alphabetical order) that you use in Challenge?
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Post by: Patrick on July 26, 2017, 10:00:01 am
I pull mine share for share from bloomberg, like so: https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/watchlist/recent-ticker/CML:SJ
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Post by: Fawkes85 on July 26, 2017, 10:03:52 am
Do you have to open a trading account with PSG to get those live prices? Don't like their fees. EQ Trader is already cleaning me out with their 0.1% fees :/
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 26, 2017, 10:38:02 am
@Patrick: What? I'm sure you've programmed it to do that.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 26, 2017, 10:38:42 am
@Fawkes85:  Yes, you do need to open acc, fica the worx.
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Post by: Patrick on July 26, 2017, 11:04:38 am
Well Bloomberg delivers the prices in that format, it's called json. Then I have a cron job that goes and collects the prices from them for all the shares we have in the challenge.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 26, 2017, 11:24:39 am
Sigh, thought I could just download to Excel somehow, sounds hectic.
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Post by: Hamster on July 26, 2017, 12:07:34 pm
@Patrick, have you figured out a way to get the whole list of all the JSE instruments from them. Last time I played with it I tried http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/api/quote-members-page/JALSH:IND because it seemed to work for INDU:IND. But, alas, that didn't work out.
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Post by: Patrick on July 26, 2017, 03:05:23 pm
Nope, I haven't tried. I do see data for JALSH:IND and INDU:IND though, are you looking for something different?
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Post by: Patrick on July 26, 2017, 03:06:58 pm
@mp, if you really want an excel download page for the jse I can build a CSV generator for you that takes the data from my database.
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Post by: Hamster on July 26, 2017, 06:03:01 pm
Nope, I haven't tried. I do see data for JALSH:IND and INDU:IND though, are you looking for something different?
Meant data of all the Instruments on that exchange
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 27, 2017, 09:21:58 am
That is a much appreciated and unexpected gesture Patrick, thank you. :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 27, 2017, 10:44:40 am
what data do you need? I can probably provide what you need.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 27, 2017, 10:44:48 am
for mahala
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Post by: Hamster on July 27, 2017, 11:18:25 am
What we need is a standard web API for retrieving delayed JSE data. Don't understand why the JSE doesn't just do this themselves (throttle it if they're scared of abuse).
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 27, 2017, 11:41:05 am
Thank you Thor187 😊  I need an alphabetical list of all JSE shares with closing prices each day downloaded to Excel.  
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 27, 2017, 11:57:46 am
Let me see what I can do.
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Post by: Patrick on July 27, 2017, 12:33:53 pm
So much choice for you MP. This will give you the latest prices I have, so run it after 5:15 and it should be end of day: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_moneypenny.php
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 27, 2017, 12:44:17 pm
Jip I cannot beat that, sweet Patric you hero
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 27, 2017, 01:44:06 pm
Goodie it works! Yay! Thank you so much!!!!
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Post by: Hamster on July 27, 2017, 02:18:48 pm
Had a few minutes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bS8SD-c9XsM-V8Nx-wtp3giEMzEk3wm1oLCZyqp4oSc/edit?usp=sharing

Draws data from Google Finance. Only problem - Google Finance will one day disappear and somebody needs to manually maintain it. Either way, you can setup a Google Spreadsheet and use the specific tickers you want to build a portfolio. Add your holding values, set up some graphs and BOOM! Better software than most banks provide :D
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Post by: Patrick on July 27, 2017, 02:59:05 pm
Very nice, I could have saved my server a tons of processing power with this if you showed me earlier! What makes you say it'll disappear one day?
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Post by: Patrick on July 27, 2017, 04:01:59 pm
Okay that link is very cool hamster. I wanted to see if I could pull all the data via CSV and I can! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L_jWixByuwHZeFLKrWFYjIVrfyuAsEMXSlUDDonhgqM/pub?output=csv
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Post by: Hamster on July 28, 2017, 06:43:39 am
Google Finance is not officially supported by Google anymore and given their history with products they can simply pull the plug one day without notice (suppose Bloomberg can kill their API as well). Not that I think they would. Google Finance also hasn't updated with the latest Satrix ETFs... :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 28, 2017, 09:30:49 am
:) Thank you H
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Post by: Bread on July 30, 2017, 03:01:33 pm
So much choice for you MP. This will give you the latest prices I have, so run it after 5:15 and it should be end of day: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_moneypenny.php
Patrick, what do you mean 'run it'? When I click on the link it only opens a spreadsheet.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 30, 2017, 08:47:46 pm
Hoping for a green Monday
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Post by: Patrick on July 31, 2017, 08:09:30 am
Hey Bread, that is running it. The spreadsheet is generated on the fly.
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Post by: dividendtycoon on July 31, 2017, 10:16:30 am
Is anybody else having trouble logging into Standard Bank Share Trading?
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Post by: dividendtycoon on July 31, 2017, 11:17:00 am
Is anybody else having trouble logging into Standard Bank Share Trading?
Working now.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 31, 2017, 11:34:03 am
big blue sucks
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2017, 04:02:30 pm
big blue ?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2017, 04:05:48 pm
Come on NPN close above R2900 today ...
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Post by: jaDEB on July 31, 2017, 05:47:10 pm
:)
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Post by: Hamster on August 01, 2017, 06:17:07 am
big blue ?

I spy with my little eye something that rhymes with Standard Wank  >:D
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 09:05:42 am
You need to give them credit though... Snapcan is pretty damn awesome.
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Post by: Hamster on August 01, 2017, 09:10:07 am
You need to give them credit though... Snapcan is pretty damn awesome.

Snapscan was developed by another company Standard Bank bought if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 10:00:24 am
Kudos for them seeing the potensial :P
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 10:00:48 am
Probably the same scenario as 22seven and Big Green
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Post by: Datura on August 01, 2017, 10:38:10 am
Threw 100K at BTI...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 12:03:34 pm
I would throw that at BTC :P
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2017, 12:15:33 pm
@ Datura - Nice
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Post by: Datura on August 01, 2017, 12:43:19 pm
@Thor - if I could go back exactly 7 years...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 12:51:10 pm
BTC $500k in the next 4 years easy
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 12:56:38 pm
#tothemoon
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Post by: jaDEB on August 01, 2017, 02:26:13 pm
Thor did u buy Bitcoins ?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 03:17:21 pm
Me? - We've been Hodl'ing since way before it was cool :P
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 01, 2017, 03:20:35 pm
before it was cool means January :)
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Post by: Patrick on August 01, 2017, 04:11:45 pm
If you were holding ethereum since January you'd be smiling very broadly!
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Post by: Hamster on August 01, 2017, 07:00:59 pm
before it was cool means January :)
Bwhahahahahahha!!!!!!!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 09:23:41 pm
Jip, I bought a bunch at this time https://platinumwealth.co.za/forum/Thread-How-to-buy-Ethereum $8 I had a pretty good year so far hehehe.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 01, 2017, 09:24:28 pm
I realized now having this stuff documented is probably a bad idea in terms of being put on a SARS watchlist of sorts...
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Post by: SirDieALot on August 01, 2017, 10:56:30 pm
one can buy eth and btc at
https://ice3x.com?ref=14305223
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Post by: Hamster on August 02, 2017, 06:38:38 am
Which of these would you rather have in your TFSA instead of DIVTRX:  NFSWIX, MAPPSG or CTOP50?
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Post by: JohnnyH on August 03, 2017, 08:23:19 am
Which of these would you rather have in your TFSA instead of DIVTRX:  NFSWIX, MAPPSG or CTOP50?

I like the CTOP50. Did a quick check on divs from Jul '16 till Jul '17. DIVTRX total of 88.84cps vs CTOP total 60cps. So almost 50% more divs from DIVTRX. That being said, if I plot prices from ~Jun 2015 to date, CTOP is up 2.5% and DIV down 3.3%...I love dividends, so I just have a bit of both!
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Post by: JohnnyH on August 03, 2017, 08:24:26 am
YTD CTOP is up 9.4% and DIVT down 1.2%
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Post by: Hamster on August 03, 2017, 08:29:22 am
True, but zoom out and DIVTRX is doing better over 4 or so years. Still, it's main focus is producing dividends and the performance I reckon is just a side effect of it selecting "quality" shares. CTOP50 looking better and better. If only they capped SWIX :/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 03, 2017, 03:50:19 pm
What about some good ol NFEMOM
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Post by: jaDEB on August 03, 2017, 04:23:15 pm
Why is the Rant @ R13.35 ? Dollar strenght ?
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Post by: Hamster on August 03, 2017, 04:25:17 pm
NFEMOM is too expensive. I've stopped buying it.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 03, 2017, 05:57:55 pm
TSLA :)
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Post by: Orca on August 03, 2017, 08:15:25 pm
Downgrade looming jaDEB.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 04, 2017, 09:14:00 am
Country is a goner. watched that BBC interview with Atul
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Post by: Patrick on August 04, 2017, 11:56:56 am
I never saw it, any particular highlights?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 04, 2017, 01:46:11 pm
The guy was as calm as a potato asking authorities to act on the leaks if they were in fact true. It's a smear campaign and everything is news for him. - Basically saying HE is untouchable.
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Post by: Bread on August 06, 2017, 03:43:23 am
Wow. I think this is absolutely fascinating. Firstly, because I've always wondered how most people will voluntarily accept the chip and I reckon this is a viable alternative view to that and secondly, I wonder if this is what Jim Rogers was talking about when he mentioned how the next stock market crash is going to start. Or what the people in this interview call a reset. And thirdly, I wonder WHEN it's going to start. It could still be this year but perhaps more like about May/June next year. But just in case I'm wrong and it's this year I'm going to sell all my holdings by latest end September. Although, of course, I don't think we will quite have to go as extreme as bartering. I reckon the stock market will ALWAYS be there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnFr1ttmFKI
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Post by: Moonraker on August 06, 2017, 09:23:24 am
Bread what will you do with the proceeds, buy gold?
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Post by: Bread on August 06, 2017, 06:35:04 pm
Bread what will you do with the proceeds, buy gold?
That's a very good question. What will you do? Mr. Rogers says he'll only buy gold under 900 or somewhere thereabouts. Or was it 1000? I can't remember exactly what he said. The herd will buy gold but in the rally from end May last year to beginning July 5 weeks later gold went up just over 13% and silver just over 28% so to me the obvious would be silver. Nobody seems to be buying either as gold has been trending sideways since April and silver is in a downward trend so if they both rally I reckon silver would increase even more. And it's looking increasingly likely that some kind of action is going to be taken against North Korea in the near future, besides sanctions already on the cards. Or is it just Trump speak? So chances are I'd probably buy silver and hang on for the ride.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 06, 2017, 07:24:03 pm
N. Korea? Yeah possible .. https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21725768-there-are-no-good-options-curb-kim-jong-un-blundering-war-would-be-worst-how

Silver or one tenth KR - more and you will battle to get change. :)
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Post by: Hamster on August 07, 2017, 07:29:35 am
Wow... more on that interview: http://www.biznews.com/global-citizen/2017/08/04/bbc-journalist-state-capture-atul-gupta/

He is TERRIBLE
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Post by: Maurice on August 07, 2017, 10:03:58 am
SHP down 5.2% so far today. The market does like the SNH deal!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 07, 2017, 11:17:34 am
Yea man, Atul is next level.
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Post by: gcr on August 07, 2017, 04:11:07 pm
So secret ballot is on tomorrow - now lets see the MP's vote - pretty much they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I would just like to see Zuma783 in court facing his charges and giving him his day in court which he has been asking for since 2009. His costs for himself and not the taxpayer >:D
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 07, 2017, 05:47:54 pm
Fairly sure she is paid for and Atul will remain president.
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Post by: Orca on August 07, 2017, 06:22:48 pm
I doubt the ANC members will want to vote themselves out of a job and income. Their families need to eat.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 07, 2017, 06:27:21 pm
As far as I know only the cabinet members would stand to lose their jobs, not the ordinary members of parliament.
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Post by: Orca on August 07, 2017, 07:24:46 pm
My bad.
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2017, 08:08:47 pm
that was totally unexpected. Rand seems to like the news.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 07, 2017, 08:25:10 pm
100% correct, they know they will lose their job so he had no problem instructing a secret ballot. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by: Orca on August 07, 2017, 08:30:29 pm
Not quite so P. The market weakened the ZAR thinking the vote would be open the past few days. Now that it is secret, the ZAR has reversed thinking that Zuma would be voted out so the ZAR was happy today.
I personally think this will reverse by tomorrow as Z will not be voted out but I hope I am wrong.
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Post by: gcr on August 07, 2017, 10:29:59 pm
I think the vote tomorrow is on a knife edge. The cabinet and the NEC are keeping Zuma in his position, if Zuma goes they are out, the president loses his pension and criminal charges will be instituted, Nkandla could be converted into an entertainment centre. The ANC lost the Nkandla district in a recent election rerun. I think the MP's that are unhappy with Zuma and his gang will vote against him - he will lose office and so will the cabinet, there are thus opportunities for these MP's to be elevated to MP level.
If the ANC don't take action now with this matter they don't stand a chance of winning in 2019 and then MP's will be ousted so its in their best interests to cut the cancer out now and then concentrate on improving their performance in 2019
Just my take on the situation as it is a zero sum game whichever view you support
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 08, 2017, 11:11:14 am
Live chat is a killer.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2017, 11:34:12 am
@Thor - Yip
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2017, 11:57:53 am
South Africa's business confidence climbs to 5-month high in July
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Post by: Patrick on August 08, 2017, 12:02:11 pm
@Thor, thanks, good use of 165 lines of code then :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 08, 2017, 01:16:17 pm
Sweat that server! Make it work. Tell it it's lucky, could have been worst, could have been in a bitcoin mine chipping away at bits and bytes
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Post by: Patrick on August 08, 2017, 02:20:58 pm
Haha, it's a 512mb ram single cpu server, I'd be lucky if it made a coin every 20 years! Still at $6 a month that would give it a reasonable return on investment...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 08, 2017, 06:16:28 pm
Lol beans (:
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Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2017, 04:30:39 pm
You know you're in a small town when Google only has one nearby attraction. And with a name like Moordkoppie I'm not sure it's somewhere I want to visit...
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Post by: Orca on August 10, 2017, 07:00:38 pm
Gee. Where are you? Jagersfontein perhaps?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 10, 2017, 07:59:26 pm
Wild west
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Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2017, 11:27:41 pm
Wild south west, Africa
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Post by: jaDEB on August 11, 2017, 07:40:48 am
I am getting ready for a hiding :'( Tencent down 4%
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Post by: Moonraker on August 11, 2017, 09:10:32 am
I am getting ready for a hiding :'( Tencent down 4%
If there is a nuclear war, it doesn't matter at all, we are all stuffed. If not, buy on pull-backs.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 11, 2017, 11:50:31 am
I am getting ready for a hiding :'( Tencent down 4%
If there is a nuclear war, it doesn't matter at all, we are all stuffed. If not, buy on pull-backs.

The war machine keeps turning.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 11, 2017, 12:23:27 pm
Chinese regulator launches probe into Tencent, Weibo and Baidu
https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news-fast-news/chinese-regulator-launches-probe-into-tencent-weibo-and-baidu/

Tencent’s shares fell about 4%, their biggest intraday drop in more than a month.
But that stemmed in part from a continuation of an overnight tech-stock selloff in the US,
and investors taking money off the table ahead of Tencent’s earnings report on Wednesday.

“The government will conduct such checks every year and I don’t see this having any impact
on the long-term development of the company,” said Yujie Li, an analyst with RHB Research
Institute. “People use WeChat and Weibo not for such illegal information,
so I don’t think this probe will affect the companies.”

© 2017 Bloomberg L.P

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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 11, 2017, 02:52:00 pm
Sounds about right.

Did they think the great firewall will sit on the sideline?
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Post by: rjthomas on August 11, 2017, 04:57:51 pm
Where can I find a list of the top 10 loosers and top 10 gainers on a daily basis on JSE?
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Post by: Orca on August 11, 2017, 05:22:53 pm
http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/moves.php
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Post by: rjthomas on August 12, 2017, 09:24:17 am
What is the difference between Sharenet vs Sharedata?
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Post by: Moonraker on August 12, 2017, 10:29:34 am
What is the difference between Sharenet vs Sharedata?
Sharenet=Sharenet
Sharedata=Profiledata ..

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Post by: Patrick on August 14, 2017, 08:57:54 am
So after struggling for months in getting a euro bank account, I seem to have managed to open two last week. One super easy though it's purely a store and pay online account, the other a fully fledged bank account including a mastercard. That one was a little more tricky though.
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Post by: indexer on August 14, 2017, 01:03:11 pm
@Patrick, do you perhaps feel like sharing the names of the offshore banks you used?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 14, 2017, 01:53:24 pm
Mondays
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Post by: Patrick on August 14, 2017, 03:48:56 pm
@indexer, I will soon, I'm just waiting for a transfer to go through on the one and the card from the other to make sure it'll work.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 15, 2017, 11:05:56 am
Tuesdays
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Post by: Hamster on August 16, 2017, 07:04:39 am
You mean Wednesdays....
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Post by: brad on August 16, 2017, 07:42:08 am
Patrick, Conduit Capital is an illiquid share.It is traded more in the competition than on the stock exchange.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 16, 2017, 08:04:20 am
Platinum, what day is today?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 16, 2017, 08:48:52 am
Today is Wednesday and it's a wet one here in CPT
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Post by: Patrick on August 16, 2017, 09:20:30 am
I believe you've sent us a monster cold front arriving tonight, thanks :(
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Post by: jaDEB on August 16, 2017, 09:47:52 am
yES, THANKs... awesome, enjoy the fr^%$ sea view !!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 16, 2017, 09:48:25 am
OOhhh sorry, u getting rain :) nice
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Post by: jaDEB on August 16, 2017, 12:12:27 pm
Tencents :)
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Post by: Bread on August 16, 2017, 04:57:02 pm
jaDEB, dude, who are you talking to :question:
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 16, 2017, 08:36:17 pm
Freezing
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2017, 08:15:27 am
Talking to PlatinumWealth... he indicates what day it is. I use that.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2017, 08:16:14 am
Appologies, should put @who I am talking to.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 17, 2017, 12:08:04 pm
Today is Thursday, Cold, but no rain. - CPT
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Post by: Nivek on August 17, 2017, 02:54:45 pm
More importantly, tomorrow will be Friday, and after that it's the weekend which I really need :)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2017, 04:09:38 pm
@ Nivek, same here, having a %$# week
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 18, 2017, 09:56:36 am
The week was nice for us. Today is friday and the weather looks sunny, but it is slightly cold.
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Post by: Patrick on August 18, 2017, 11:48:32 am
I'm looking for someone good with tax to confirm some things for an article. Do we have a tax guru around here?
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Post by: Hamster on August 18, 2017, 12:01:11 pm
Not even SARS fully understands tax...
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Post by: Orca on August 18, 2017, 02:03:55 pm
Moon is our tax man. Platinum guy as well.
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Post by: Patrick on August 18, 2017, 02:09:57 pm
Cool, I think I found the info from the sars sites. Looks like you pay less dividends tax if you receive foreign dividends.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 18, 2017, 02:32:33 pm
The tax rate for foreign dividends is determined according to a formula and will depend on the actual marginal rate of the taxpayer and can therefore be less than the maximum effective rate of 15%. A taxpayer who receives foreign dividends must also include the gross amount of the foreign dividends (total amount of foreign dividends gross of any foreign withholding taxes) in his or her tax return.

Foreign dividends are however in most cases (unless the shareholder holds more than 10% of the issued shares in the foreign company) subject to a partial exemption. This exemption is calculated by using the following formula: 25/40 x gross foreign dividends.

See also attached.

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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 18, 2017, 02:43:28 pm
Thanks for this.
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Post by: Patrick on August 18, 2017, 04:07:56 pm
Thanks moon, I might send a spreadsheet your way for comment soon. If I'm following the sars examples properly you could even save on regular income tax through foreign dividend tax credits.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 18, 2017, 09:18:17 pm
Now you guys have my attention.
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Post by: Patrick on August 19, 2017, 03:59:04 pm
@Moonraker, you've got mail.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 20, 2017, 10:44:55 am
@ Patrick. I have sent you a PM. Calculations are OK. Bit over my head.
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Post by: Moonraker on August 20, 2017, 01:28:31 pm
Another bummer. New since 22/02/2017.
If there is a situation where a shareholder can claim back the difference between withholding tax of 15% (DTA in UK is still at 15%) and our 20%,
5% is reclaimable from HMRC in UK, BUT seeing that it is reclaimable, an additional 5% is deducted by SARS in advance.
Problem is, there is no easy way to reclaim. My broker says:
Unfortunately, it is only for Richemont where we currently have an agreement with Computershare to claim back on behalf of clients.
Tax is currently in discussion with possible vendors to supply a similar service for Anheuser Busch (and other shares where necessary). We’ll keep you updated.

If and when the UK amend their DTA to 20% as well that will help.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 09:06:13 am
Today is Monday, weather looks alright, slightly cold.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2017, 09:16:15 am
Thank you Plat :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 21, 2017, 09:16:45 am
Hehe :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 10:22:10 am
This grouping http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_groups.php satisfies my OCD so well. Upside down pyramid is the way to go.
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Post by: Orca on August 21, 2017, 10:28:20 am
Bookmark this if you have stocks in foreign currencies. ECB Currency converter for any dates. Used by accountants for taxation.
https://www.bportugal.pt/conversor-moeda
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2017, 11:52:28 am
Thanks Orca, that's pretty cool. When I did my taxes last week I used the annual average rate published by SARS. Nothing to pay in thanks to foreign tax witheld, but next year I'll use both and post the most favourable.
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2017, 11:53:39 am
@Hamster can you rename the MyBroadband group to MyBroadband Forum Members Group to mess with Platinum ;)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 12:15:47 pm
@Hamster can you rename the MyBroadband group to MyBroadband Forum Members Group to mess with Platinum ;)

I will stab you in the neck Susan.

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Post by: Hamster on August 21, 2017, 12:46:42 pm
Done.. sortof.. still a pyramid... sortof...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2017, 01:52:24 pm
LOL
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Post by: Patrick on August 21, 2017, 02:27:41 pm
Haha was only kidding hamster
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 02:51:22 pm
Necks will be stabbed.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 02:52:00 pm
/sharpens pencil
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Post by: Bread on August 21, 2017, 07:35:52 pm
Crazy. Not that I know whatever the heck it is you're all talking about. Maybe that's why you're all doing so badly in the comp   :))
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 21, 2017, 10:39:39 pm
It's raining in Bellville which is nice.
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Post by: Hamster on August 22, 2017, 06:44:43 am
Haha was only kidding hamster

So was I...

I will stab you in the neck Susan.

...but then he called me Susan
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Post by: Patrick on August 22, 2017, 07:33:20 am
 :laugh:
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Post by: jaDEB on August 22, 2017, 08:27:45 am
Been a crap week, so glad tomorrow is weekend
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Post by: Datura on August 22, 2017, 09:33:23 am
o.O
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 22, 2017, 12:05:19 pm
Been a good week thus far.

Weather is nice.
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Post by: Datura on August 23, 2017, 11:16:37 am
Naspers going a tad nuts today
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Post by: jaDEB on August 23, 2017, 12:03:09 pm
I think when it hits R3000 I will be happy, and all the Twitter Neigh Sayers can go ^%$# them selves
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Post by: jaDEB on August 23, 2017, 12:05:10 pm
Mr Bond !!! why is my CCO in a downtrend !!!
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Post by: Moonraker on August 23, 2017, 12:17:18 pm
Mr Bond !!! why is my CCO in a downtrend !!!
Start play at about 8min 59sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sca2EDebihg
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Post by: jaDEB on August 23, 2017, 01:05:49 pm
Thanks Mr Bond, the info is very helpfull
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 23, 2017, 04:20:41 pm
Live chat offline?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 23, 2017, 04:20:50 pm
Oh sorry it's back now
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Post by: Hamster on August 24, 2017, 06:11:04 am
Live chat offline?

If I'm not mistaken the live chat is disabled when the rest of the site is under heavy load
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 24, 2017, 09:23:24 am
Ahh I see
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Post by: Datura on August 24, 2017, 11:24:18 am
NPN breaking 3K a share again today?  On Fire!
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Post by: Nivek on August 24, 2017, 11:54:00 am
Don't you feel sorry for the people with an equally weighted top 40 now!
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Post by: Hamster on August 24, 2017, 12:24:50 pm
No I don't. Their problem :D
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Post by: Patrick on August 24, 2017, 01:03:12 pm
That is quite a difference: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=&symb=ZA%3ACSEW40&x=45&y=10&time=20&startdate=1%2F1%2F1996&enddate=1%2F1%2F1999&freq=2&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=ZA%3ASTX40&comp=ZA%3ASTX40&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=262144&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=64&style=370&size=4&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=15
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Post by: jaDEB on August 24, 2017, 04:19:49 pm
It Bitcoin and ? what is the other 1? and where do u buy?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 24, 2017, 09:09:58 pm
It Bitcoin and ? what is the other 1? and where do u buy?

Ethereum

Guide: https://platinumwealth.co.za/forum/Thread-How-to-buy-Ethereum
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Post by: jaDEB on August 25, 2017, 07:49:16 am
Thanks Thor
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 25, 2017, 09:29:49 am
Plesier
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Post by: SirDieALot on August 25, 2017, 10:48:30 am
It Bitcoin and ? what is the other 1? and where do u buy?

local exchange that you can buy both btc and eth
https://ice3x.com?ref=14305223
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 27, 2017, 07:22:37 pm
Ice3X is nice for eth yes.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 28, 2017, 08:35:40 am
thank you
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Post by: Orca on August 28, 2017, 12:46:19 pm
Seems new crypto currency BNK is about to open in 15 minutes. It is in a virtual London bank. Hide your money in any currency or virtual currency or but ETF's. https://bankera.com/index.html

Get a free wallet here but server is down due to overload atm. https://spectrocoin.com/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 28, 2017, 02:21:18 pm
Do not think Bankera will last.

Bitwala is more trusted, ripple is designed for banks and civic will do the KYC.
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Post by: Patrick on August 29, 2017, 09:53:21 am
This is fast: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/902039243601485824
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 29, 2017, 10:12:07 am
This is fast: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/902039243601485824

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Post by: Hamster on August 29, 2017, 11:38:14 am
LMAO!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on August 29, 2017, 05:49:55 pm
Looks like they removed sharenet chat from loading page...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 29, 2017, 08:53:27 pm
Jip... That they did...
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Post by: jaDEB on August 30, 2017, 07:51:52 am
http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/crypto.php
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Post by: Patrick on August 30, 2017, 08:50:09 am
Why would they remove the chat??
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 30, 2017, 08:53:34 am
I can say. But not allowed in public. :P
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Post by: Tovad on August 30, 2017, 10:00:35 am
The link is still there last link at bottom of the page on the right
http://www.sharechat.co.za/forum/rss/forums/1-sharechat-main/
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Post by: jaDEB on August 30, 2017, 10:32:25 am
@ Tovad, thanks
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on August 30, 2017, 12:46:14 pm
The link is still there last link at bottom of the page on the right
http://www.sharechat.co.za/forum/rss/forums/1-sharechat-main/

He is referring to this:

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Post by: Orca on September 03, 2017, 12:49:54 pm
Portugal now open for immigration to South Africans. The only country in Europe to do so.
http://dnm-sadvog.com/en-us/Communication/News/Portuguese-Immigration-Law-New-updates
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Post by: Tovad on September 03, 2017, 01:44:14 pm
mmm

"Have registered as self-employed person in the Portuguese Tax Authority and the Portuguese Social Security"

Will they accept "Trader" as a self-employed person?

"Have means of subsistence, as defined in the Portuguese law"

I suppose that means some income threshold that can be proved?

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Post by: Orca on September 03, 2017, 03:03:18 pm
Trading stocks is a business. Nobody here is sure of the minimum earnings or investments. Some say €900 to €1350. They did not even look at ours.
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Post by: Tovad on September 03, 2017, 07:17:22 pm
ok - thanks!
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Post by: Pubson on September 04, 2017, 04:44:24 am
How can I Invest in OffShore?
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2017, 08:04:47 am
Hi Pubson, the cheapest and easiest is to open a tax free savings account with access to the stock exchange, and then use one of the offshore based ETFs like the Satrix all world ETF. Some advice on the tax free here: http://investorchallenge.co.za/a-newbies-guide-to-investing-on-the-jse/
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2017, 08:46:24 am
@Orca, that's really interesting news, and it opens the door to Schengen residency. I wonder what the "Have means of subsistence, as defined in the Portuguese law" refers to. Could enough investments qualify?
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Post by: gcr on September 04, 2017, 09:11:34 am
Hi Pubson, the cheapest and easiest is to open a tax free savings account with access to the stock exchange, and then use one of the offshore based ETFs like the Satrix all world ETF. Some advice on the tax free here: http://investorchallenge.co.za/a-newbies-guide-to-investing-on-the-jse/
If Pubson is looking to externalise his funds then buying the ETF is not externalising funds the fund manager may well externalise funds but as soon as you give them a sell order the funds will be returned in SA Rand and not in the foreign currency
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2017, 09:20:29 am
You're right GCR, but fortunately there's no CGT penalty when selling, so it's a good holding point until you can get a full offshore setup.
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2017, 10:25:25 am
Okay this is what I've found: Under of Ordinance No. 1563/2007 of 11st December, is considered sufficient income for subsistence the following amounts: € 6,360 / year for the first adult € 3,189 / year for another adults of family € 1,908 / year for each member less than 18 years. Not bad actually, just over €318k in VWRD (2% yield) will give you that in dividends if you're on your own. Add another €159k for a spouse and €95k for each child.

If money is tight you could always take more risk by holding high dividend stocks or ETFs, but you do need to be very careful.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 04, 2017, 10:55:51 am
Why is OCE getting a hiding?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 04, 2017, 12:24:22 pm
think there was a TS on Thu/Fri last week..
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Post by: jaDEB on September 04, 2017, 01:13:24 pm
Thanks Mr Dividend... missed it..I am dropping the ball, will go and stand in the corner for 12 minutes
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 05, 2017, 09:09:23 am
Tuesday
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Post by: Patrick on September 05, 2017, 10:09:02 am
Thanks for moderating jaDEB. I'll go ban the member now.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2017, 10:31:06 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2017, 12:51:01 pm
Hey, I just figured out how to get my BTC's wallet address :) incase any of you wanna send me a coin :)
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Post by: Nivek on September 05, 2017, 02:03:50 pm
Do you accept Thai Baht? I have a couple of coins left over from a trip and I think it would be a waste binning them.
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Post by: Patrick on September 05, 2017, 03:11:37 pm
The end of the recession or just a pitstop?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2017, 03:49:31 pm
@ Nivek, :)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 05, 2017, 03:52:01 pm
This must sound stupid, but did farming not do better cause we got rain?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 05, 2017, 11:32:28 pm
who got banned?
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 06, 2017, 08:56:42 am
That would be you my young apprentice  :)
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Post by: Orca on September 06, 2017, 10:20:16 am
Hold thumbs for me. I'm on my way to the bank and if things work out its going to change my life forever. I'm talking about BIG money....I'm so exited I can hardly get the flipping stocking over my head.
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Post by: Nivek on September 06, 2017, 12:07:46 pm
Haha!
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2017, 12:11:59 pm
Nice one Orca ...
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2017, 12:14:41 pm
@ Plat, some person spamming the site Patrick blocked
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 06, 2017, 02:25:23 pm
I'll join you O. ;)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 07, 2017, 09:51:08 am
Patrick - is there a site where you find all you LDTs?
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Post by: Patrick on September 07, 2017, 09:58:38 am
I get them from here: https://www.moneyweb.co.za/tools-and-data/dividend-watch/ ignore the fact that you need to be a subscriber and just right click and view source. They're still there!
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 07, 2017, 10:07:38 am
aaah. Cheers  ;)
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 07, 2017, 10:29:39 am
...and share price history older than 5yrs?
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Post by: Patrick on September 07, 2017, 11:09:06 am
Back to 2009 http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/historical/default.asp?symb=ZA%3ACML&closeDate=9%2F07%2F10&x=0&y=0

If you need older the chart goes back to before 2004: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=&symb=ZA%3ACML&x=13&y=9&time=20&startdate=1%2F1%2F1996&enddate=1%2F1%2F1999&freq=2&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=&comp=none&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=262144&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=64&style=370&size=4&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=15
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 07, 2017, 11:16:40 am
Thank you :)
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Post by: Bread on September 07, 2017, 09:23:39 pm
Isn't that being dishonest?
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Post by: Patrick on September 08, 2017, 07:33:49 am
Actually I just checked. I changed them.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 08, 2017, 09:07:30 am
TGIF
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 08, 2017, 09:57:01 am
Amen
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on September 08, 2017, 06:21:52 pm
Thanks Patrick - even better.
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Post by: Patrick on September 12, 2017, 10:30:27 am
So last month after some circuit breakers were stolen my area was without power for 4 days. Last night they stole them again. Apparently the guys replacing them are not the people who are supposed to put a padlock on the doors, so they were still unlocked...
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Post by: Datura on September 12, 2017, 11:22:07 am
NPN flirting with the R3K mark again...  
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 12, 2017, 03:21:48 pm
@Patrick: So not going to miss this cr@p.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 12, 2017, 03:41:34 pm
What a day -
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Post by: jaDEB on September 12, 2017, 04:50:17 pm
@ Datura - :) @ MoneyPenny :'(
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Post by: Patrick on September 13, 2017, 08:11:11 am
What happened yesterday PW?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 13, 2017, 03:47:22 pm
Crypto markets - But today is better I am buying this https://coindata.co.za/coin.php?id=civic Banking on Vinny.
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Post by: Patrick on September 13, 2017, 04:35:42 pm
With a graph like that you're a braver man than I am!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 13, 2017, 04:37:46 pm
You close your eys and press buy  :laugh:
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2017, 10:25:16 am
So the government has backed down a little on the foreign tax exemption. Now the first R1m is not taxed: https://www.moneyweb.co.za/mymoney/moneyweb-tax/relief-concern-about-revised-expat-tax-proposal/

This works well for retirees living overseas off foreign dividends thank goodness.
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Post by: Orca on September 15, 2017, 10:59:21 am
This would only affect SA residents working abroad and not retirees that officially emigrate like we did.
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Post by: neiln on September 15, 2017, 11:39:43 am
ppc
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Post by: Patrick on September 15, 2017, 11:58:26 am
I was hoping to unofficially emigrate when the time comes. If I don't have to pay all that CGT I'd much rather not.
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Post by: Orca on September 15, 2017, 02:28:09 pm
Then your center of life must remain in SA. This is not always possible. Had we not formally emigrated, our center of life is now in Portugal and we would be classed as non SA residents anyway.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2017, 12:08:36 pm
Patrick, my screen is not working again :'(. Who is the top three in the Inv Challenge ?
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Post by: Datura on September 18, 2017, 01:03:20 pm
Snapper, Illuminated One and Franz
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Post by: Datura on September 18, 2017, 01:03:35 pm
You're 4th
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Post by: Patrick on September 18, 2017, 01:41:13 pm
May the fourth be with you jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2017, 01:56:08 pm
:'( ....
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Post by: jaDEB on September 18, 2017, 02:04:56 pm
i LIKE Franz, he buys good sh&t :)
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Post by: Datura on September 18, 2017, 02:22:42 pm
He literally only buys Naspers :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 18, 2017, 04:20:50 pm
I hate for not buying Naspers each year I convince myself it will be their downfall.
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Post by: czc on September 18, 2017, 07:11:51 pm
Geez big seller in ADI
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Post by: Bread on September 18, 2017, 08:25:08 pm
I see the financials are taking a knock. I haven't been able to keep track of things for the last week or 2 so would someone please tell me why?
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Post by: Orca on September 18, 2017, 09:28:40 pm
Geez big seller in ADI

Overdone and I will hold.
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Post by: gcr on September 19, 2017, 12:07:08 pm
Geez big seller in ADI

Overdone and I will hold.
Orca - any idea why this share is being slaughtered, down another 4.2% again today. My paper losses on this counter are starting to pinch a bit. I too will hold my stock, but it does get to a point where it is better to take the loss if there is no recovery. The only silver lining is that one can use the loss for tax purposes when CGT comes along
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 19, 2017, 03:32:21 pm
I bought CSG Holdings Ltd again I'm going to see if this badboy can climb to 170 again.
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Post by: Datura on September 19, 2017, 03:40:56 pm
lol it was last at 170 in 2015...
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Post by: Orca on September 19, 2017, 04:17:51 pm
So far ADI has dropped about 12% in 2 days and tomorrow it goes ex-divi so will drop some more. Been checking and find no reason for this. It should be going up with the zar weakening. I will hold as she always comes up with a hat trick like a new acquisition. Results were good in this stagnant economy.
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Post by: dividendtycoon on September 19, 2017, 05:19:53 pm
So far ADI has dropped about 12% in 2 days and tomorrow it goes ex-divi so will drop some more. Been checking and find no reason for this. It should be going up with the zar weakening. I will hold as she always comes up with a hat trick like a new acquisition. Results were good in this stagnant economy.
I do not invest in tech shares so am not by any means an expert in this share, but if I was invested I would be a bit worried. By all accounts it is a good stock, I would also probably not sell until I could confirm the reason behind the fall, but these sorts of falls make me think somebody might know something the rest of us do not. Good luck though, as you say it has normally bounced back.
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Post by: Bob on September 20, 2017, 08:35:29 am
Sibanye,
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 20, 2017, 11:16:28 am
That bad boy hurt me
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Post by: jaDEB on September 20, 2017, 11:26:32 am
Plat? - would u buy XRP or LTC?
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Post by: Datura on September 20, 2017, 11:52:43 am
PPC sliding today...
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Post by: Bread on September 21, 2017, 01:56:36 am
Wish this bloody Ront would make up it's mind. Looks like Janet will increase the interest rate next year even if their inflation drops as it has. So perhaps it'll weaken from here onwards. Maybe I should start looking at resources. Or property.
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Post by: Nivek on September 21, 2017, 09:02:29 am
Or offshore?
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on September 21, 2017, 09:16:55 am
Good time to buy Sasol and Sibanye?
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Post by: Hamster on September 21, 2017, 02:47:16 pm
Am I reading the SENS right: CTOP50 is paying more in dividends/REIT than PTXTEN?!
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Post by: gcr on September 21, 2017, 02:59:34 pm
Good time to buy Sasol and Sibanye?
I don't deal in chemical or mining shares but do read about their activities and have steered away from both for different reasons Sasol - Inzalo BEE deal, and Sibanye because of the CEO and his Harmony/Goldfields wars back in mid 2004/5/6
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Post by: JohnnyH on September 21, 2017, 03:58:59 pm
Am I reading the SENS right: CTOP50 is paying more in dividends/REIT than PTXTEN?!

I have halved my PTXTEN & Added STXPRO...I am hoping that I can get a better Div flow from them!
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Post by: jaDEB on September 21, 2017, 04:49:34 pm
@ Grahamc, same for me, love reading and following them. But not buying ... ... ... ... .. yet
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 21, 2017, 08:14:32 pm
CTOP50 for the win
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Post by: Bread on September 21, 2017, 10:52:30 pm
Or offshore?
Going offshore seems like such a hassle. It's so much simpler just to trade with ABSA Stockbrokers with their, to me, nice and simple 0.4%. Although my returns will be bigger, I don't know by how much they could/would be offset by a strengthening Rand. And the way I trade I need decent and reliable fundamental and technical data.
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Post by: Bread on September 21, 2017, 11:46:03 pm
Good time to buy Sasol and Sibanye?

Sasol I would treat the same way I'd treat the Rand. It could break out it's triangle either way over the next 3 months.

Sibanye, I reckon, has still got some way to fall but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole until there's a convincing change in the trend to the upside.
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Post by: brad on September 22, 2017, 11:50:34 am
@Patrick,conduit is an illiquid share.It should not be in the competition list of shares.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 22, 2017, 01:37:18 pm
BOughTS SOME moRE btc :)
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Post by: Patrick on September 22, 2017, 04:41:22 pm
I'm doing the Portuguese run today. Mozambique to Portugal via Angola. All I'm missing is Brazil :)
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Post by: Orca on September 22, 2017, 06:17:32 pm
Tip P. Eat in small cafes where the locals eat. Usually in side streets and half the price. We learned the expensive way. Never ask for ketchup or any condiments as it is considered rude and insulting their culinary expertise. Some cafes pile cheeses and breads on your table before you even order. If you eat some, you will pay for the whole lot. Wave it away.
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Post by: yozzi on September 23, 2017, 12:58:47 pm
BOughTS SOME moRE btc :)

Where do you buy your btc? Here in SA or offshore?
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Post by: jaDEB on September 26, 2017, 07:21:58 am
RSA - Luno.com
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 26, 2017, 08:53:37 am
Here is a guide to buy Bitcoin using luno - https://platinumwealth.co.za/forum/Thread-Best-place-to-buy-BTC
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Post by: Bread on September 27, 2017, 07:03:08 am
Looks like the market has taken a firm view that the Ront has decided to weaken, putting Sasol and gold miners in the spotlight with Brent at a 2 year high.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on September 27, 2017, 08:33:53 am
I am always to late when gold rallies.
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 29, 2017, 09:48:01 am
We really had our most online just now?  P I think your stats are broken. ;)
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Post by: Patrick on September 29, 2017, 10:11:49 am
And it wasn't counting me, I've been taking a break from email and internet.
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Post by: gcr on September 29, 2017, 10:13:34 am
I see Brian Joffe was gifted 250,000 Long4Life shares at R 5 which represents his salary for 3 months - amount in question R 1,250,000 - that makes it a salary of + R 416,000 per month. Trust the share price performs as well as his salary undoubtedly does
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2017, 03:03:41 pm
Wasn't me
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Post by: jaDEB on September 29, 2017, 03:05:35 pm
I use to use Sharenet app for my tablet to follow my portfolio, but the %$#@ it up. Any ideas for other one to use?
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Post by: Bread on October 01, 2017, 01:36:51 pm
Anybody using a more reliable end-of-day price and other data download than PSG? They are particularly unreliable when it comes to Fridays and when I spoke to them about it they say it's the JSE's fault. Anybody able to confirm that?  :wall:
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 02, 2017, 09:02:18 am
Please Sygnia be green today
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Post by: gcr on October 02, 2017, 03:06:57 pm
I Johann Vorster is buying up more collar hedges in Clover (he is CE) 2 tranches of 350,000 shares each. I wish these guys would concentrate on running the business rather than trying to be smart traders in their own company shares. These guys also don't learn so many of them got their fingers burnt in 2007/8. Wonder how he handles CGT on this as the expiry date is 27/9/2019 which means he would not have held the shares for longer than 3 years so profit would be treated as income
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 02, 2017, 03:25:31 pm
I have some clover shares, but I do not know if I wan to hold onto it for much longer
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 02, 2017, 03:25:56 pm
Cut my loses since this company is downwards. Then again, big upside I suppose.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2017, 03:39:24 pm
NPN get to above R3000 please !!!!!
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Post by: gcr on October 02, 2017, 03:45:17 pm
Cut my loses since this company is downwards. Then again, big upside I suppose.
I sold out when I first saw Vorster playing snakes and ladders with the shares and they got of Danone, and all the excuses for poor performance. I really thought they would cream it (pun intended) when they came to market but sadly it was all smoke and mirrors
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 02, 2017, 04:23:27 pm
I bought in when they where starting to go down. I hate selling at a loss so I guess it is me and clover either till death or to the moon. I am locked in now.
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Post by: gcr on October 02, 2017, 09:22:21 pm
I bought in when they where starting to go down. I hate selling at a loss so I guess it is me and clover either till death or to the moon. I am locked in now.
At tax time you can always review the situation and take a full or partial loss to offset CGT gains
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 03, 2017, 09:43:44 am
Be green
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Post by: Datura on October 03, 2017, 12:09:40 pm
NPN on fire again...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 03, 2017, 12:37:31 pm
Yes, I asked yesterday :)
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Post by: Datura on October 03, 2017, 01:05:22 pm
You did indeed :)
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Post by: Patrick on October 03, 2017, 08:28:12 pm
I'm late with a blog for the month, but Portugal is just too interesting for me to open a laptop!
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Post by: gcr on October 03, 2017, 09:18:34 pm
I'm late with a blog for the month, but Portugal is just too interesting for me to open a laptop!
Now Patrick - that's no excuse - what are you doing between 3.00 - 6.00 a.m. - in my opinion the best time to write reports/bloggggs etc
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Post by: Orca on October 04, 2017, 09:48:24 am
Portuguese people only go to bed at 3 am.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 04, 2017, 10:15:53 am
Exhausting just reading that never mind doing it.  ;0
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Post by: gcr on October 04, 2017, 02:09:29 pm
Portuguese people only go to bed at 3 am.
Ah - but there's the rub he is not Portuguese - so no excuses
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 04, 2017, 03:49:27 pm
Sheesh....Vodacom been dropping all month, but just tanked 6% all of a sudden with that competition commission news..
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2017, 12:42:55 pm
Ah - but there's the rub he is not Portuguese - so no excuses
My wife is part Portuguese, she keeps me up ;)
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Post by: Orca on October 05, 2017, 07:29:55 pm
Ah - but there's the rub he is not Portuguese - so no excuses
My wife is part Portuguese, she keeps me up ;)
What does she keep up?  :LHST:
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 06, 2017, 09:47:37 am
Alrighty then
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Post by: Datura on October 06, 2017, 10:36:52 am
Naspers is mental!  
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Post by: jaDEB on October 06, 2017, 01:50:16 pm
Check out LON ... and PS. it is not NPN it is Tencent
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Post by: Datura on October 06, 2017, 02:17:17 pm
Yeah I saw LON shot up like mad today
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Post by: Datura on October 06, 2017, 02:17:37 pm
up 24%
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Post by: Snapcase on October 06, 2017, 02:30:40 pm
Haha, old Lonmin.  I've put all my eggs in that basket since day one.  Only now broke even...hoping it lasts
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 06, 2017, 10:30:10 pm
I made a shit ton of money during the rights offer of Lommy - wild tiger she is
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 06, 2017, 10:30:25 pm
89% luck
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 09, 2017, 09:43:01 am
I invested in a uranium miner (Atlatsa) a Friday morning on 11/3/11 while the tsunami was happening & right before the Fukushima nuclear disaster – I never made the connection between tsunami in Japan and nuclear – (why would I?) lost it all – still have those shares, worthless though but still a priceless lesson.  How is that for luck?
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Post by: Snapcase on October 09, 2017, 03:05:32 pm
Madness
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Post by: jaDEB on October 10, 2017, 08:03:47 am
I love their music
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Post by: jaDEB on October 10, 2017, 02:13:48 pm
Sold my CCO bought CFR
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2017, 02:58:52 pm
WHy is NPN up but rand has strangined ?
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Post by: Moonraker on October 11, 2017, 03:49:15 pm
@jaDEB

Yup rather strange, but maybe because of what Mark Mobius said.

Quote
"We can buy Naspers cheaper than we can buy Tencent," Mobius said. "If you buy Naspers, you get an Africa satellite TV business for free and you are buying this big internet company Tencent at a discount. If you have a choice to buy Tencent or Naspers, you better buy Naspers."

Mobius’s call clashes with the strategy adopted by CEO Bob Van Dijk, who has been pursuing internet technology acquisitions since taking the helm from chairperson Koos Bekker in 2014.

http://www.fin24.com/Tech/Companies/naspers-should-buy-own-stock-to-tap-tencent-gap-expert-20171011
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2017, 04:06:59 pm
Thanks Mr Bond
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2017, 04:35:47 pm
Come on NPN get to above R4 000 lol : )  ...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 11, 2017, 09:16:39 pm
NPN to the moon
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Post by: jaDEB on October 13, 2017, 07:21:34 am
Please remember today is Friday the 13th
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Post by: Bread on October 13, 2017, 08:44:16 am
For the 1st time in history my paper portfolio is showing 44.2% growth, excluding tax and costs, since 1st August 2017 which is more than triple the number of companies bought which is 14. Not bad for 2 and a 1/2 months. Maybe next year I should trade the same way in the Investor Challenge  8)
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Post by: Illuminated One on October 13, 2017, 11:16:33 am
Does anyone here do technical analysis? What the chances of the Top 40 breaching 52000 in ththe next week? Keen on shorting the index as the bull run just seems too long
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Post by: Moonraker on October 13, 2017, 11:47:34 am
LONDON, Oct 13 (Reuters) - The South African rand jumped to two-week highs on Friday after a court ruling that upheld reinstating corruption charges against unpopular President Jacob Zuma, while the rally on broader emerging markets continued.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 13, 2017, 03:32:39 pm
Bring on the court case!
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Post by: Orca on October 13, 2017, 05:23:41 pm
CityWire UK today.
The MSI Emerging Markets index notched up near 18% in the 1'st 9 months of the year.
UK and US stocks eked out less than 8% and 5% respctively.
Those that fear they have missed the boat are in luck because experts say EM's will
continue to outshine.
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Post by: Patrick on October 16, 2017, 07:58:05 am
Portugal was great, I could easily live there, but sadly I'm back at work again saving a few more $$$'s :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 16, 2017, 09:15:18 am
 Nice, hope you and Orca shared a glass of Porto or 2. :)
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Post by: Datura on October 16, 2017, 09:48:20 am
KIO is hot!
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Post by: Patrick on October 16, 2017, 12:44:50 pm
Sadly I wasn't able to get to Orca, but I'll be back!
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Post by: Patrick on October 16, 2017, 08:45:56 pm
I see the indi went over R80 for the first time today
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2017, 07:49:09 am
CFR :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2017, 10:29:36 am
CFR :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2017, 11:18:15 am
lol - President Jacob Zuma's announcement of yet another surprise Cabinet reshuffle
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Post by: gcr on October 17, 2017, 11:40:03 am
Yup - Zuma furiously re arranging the deckchairs on ANC Titanic
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Post by: Patrick on October 17, 2017, 11:59:46 am
Everyday he's shufflin...
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 17, 2017, 12:26:32 pm
Back in 2011 we partied hard to this song, literally rocking a cruise ship left to right every night till sunrise.  Fun times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
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Post by: Hamster on October 17, 2017, 12:31:59 pm
Notice how the Rand...didn't plummet. Nobody cares anymore.
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Post by: Remzozo on October 17, 2017, 02:13:02 pm
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Post by: Shaun on October 17, 2017, 03:35:35 pm
Come CFR.....something's got to break after a decent trading statement this morning ...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2017, 03:38:35 pm
i thought it is going to fly, but I read that allthough trading statement looks good, it is still not back to profits where it was few years ago. But I just bought thus keepng for a while
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Post by: Shaun on October 17, 2017, 03:41:47 pm
Will also be holding, at least for the short term....at R127, if it gets there, I'm out.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 19, 2017, 11:12:08 am
When is Gigabyte's budget speech ?
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Post by: Shaun on October 19, 2017, 11:55:10 am
october 25th I believe
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Post by: BussoV6 on October 20, 2017, 09:55:20 am
When is Gigupta's budget speech ?

FTFY   ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 20, 2017, 10:13:43 am
:'(
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Post by: Hamster on October 23, 2017, 07:31:45 am
I reckon that today and tomorrow is a good time to sell my CTOP50 and NFEMOM. Let Gigaba finish his speech, let the ratings agencies respond and then buy back in. Or keep the money for the wedding that is coming...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 23, 2017, 12:10:08 pm
Keep it for the wedding
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Post by: Patrick on October 23, 2017, 01:08:04 pm
I'm just sad I didn't have money a couple of weeks ago to move offshore. My next batch hits my account tomorrow I think :(
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 23, 2017, 01:13:52 pm
Nice
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 24, 2017, 01:13:26 pm
I'd like to receive money in batches.
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Post by: Datura on October 24, 2017, 03:01:10 pm
BTG trading at $149
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Post by: Snapcase on October 24, 2017, 03:01:16 pm
Haha likewise
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Post by: Patrick on October 24, 2017, 04:43:17 pm
Lol, it's only moderately exciting. I store my cash in my ABSA stockbrokers account until I have R100k or more then I ship it overseas.
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Post by: Datura on October 25, 2017, 07:58:51 am
You would make a crappy Gupta!
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Post by: Hamster on October 25, 2017, 08:07:22 am
So the PlatinumWealth.co.za group is in the lead   :whistle:
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Post by: Patrick on October 25, 2017, 08:32:11 am
Well done Plat, as a reward I've fixed your triangle. How's that do for the OCD?
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 25, 2017, 10:27:35 am
omw Mondi needs to stop bleeding
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Post by: Hamster on October 25, 2017, 02:18:50 pm
"Noooo we a membas!!!" ...the more the EFF causes k*k in parliament the more my invests grow :D
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Post by: Patrick on October 25, 2017, 04:04:42 pm
:( I'm glad my money moved this am.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 25, 2017, 09:03:22 pm
Ahh man! dat fix!
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2017, 09:22:02 am
tHANKS gigabytE raNts @ r14.19 ..
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Post by: Patrick on October 26, 2017, 10:31:47 am
Considering I convert most of my income to dollars, I've pretty much been given a 6.7% paycut since last month :(
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Post by: jaDEB on October 26, 2017, 02:25:25 pm
Look like a further pay cut for you Mr Patrick .  :'(
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Post by: Wallace on October 28, 2017, 11:34:39 am
With junk status fast approaching ,how do we navigate
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Post by: Orca on October 29, 2017, 12:36:04 pm
So far this year, Brazil's Bovespa index has climbed 23.4 percent despite political turmoil surrounding unpopular President Michel Temer and his key allies. Brazil was downgraded to junk 1 year and 9 months ago.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 30, 2017, 09:40:27 am
Joh, total chaos in and around Pretoria today, but in a good way.    :heart:
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 10:00:02 am
Hola back,thanx for the welcome response, can I tag you, r u on Twitter? Rising tides do lift all the boats.
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 10:13:22 am
Tis the season to be jolly, where is the lolly, we are hungry.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 30, 2017, 11:01:52 am
Who you're talking to Wallace?  Seems to me you've already hit the punch-bowl today. :)
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 11:06:04 am
Miss Money Penny has dropped us a note, pity it was a penny farthing,farting. :laugh: Saying hello you.
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Post by: Nivek on October 30, 2017, 11:28:32 am
Greetings Wallace, any relation to William?
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 02:34:33 pm
It is only the name Nivek, but I am pleased to meet you. Hi.
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 02:38:10 pm
Any ideas on TRADING this paltry market?
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Post by: Patrick on October 30, 2017, 02:45:00 pm
It depends on how quickly you want to run out of money ;)
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 02:49:07 pm
now is that advice, money makes money? So you just tow the line
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 02:50:18 pm
Isnt this a forum, or is it a dating site?
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Post by: Patrick on October 30, 2017, 02:54:04 pm
I'm just teasing about the constant battle between traders and investors. Statistically investors would be better off. Happily the game lets you test it out for yourself without you losing any money :)
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 03:07:56 pm
To the forum MLP's short for Master Limited Partnership check it out.
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 30, 2017, 03:18:52 pm
Just double your dosage W, you'll be fine. ;)
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Post by: Patrick on October 30, 2017, 03:28:34 pm
Are you really only 15 Wallace? If so you've got a massive headstart on everyone else. You could end up seriously well off if you start investing this young.
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Post by: Wallace on October 30, 2017, 03:35:13 pm
that is my age but the JSE doesnt return 10%, then why invest there?
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Post by: Snapcase on October 30, 2017, 06:04:40 pm
You have much to learn young Wallace.  Join the investor challenge, there are many, many people who are making more than 10% albeit virtually, but have no doubt, in reality too.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 31, 2017, 09:53:28 am
Was waiting for a Naspers pullback about a couple months ago before diving in. I guess I missed that steam train.
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Post by: gcr on October 31, 2017, 10:13:35 am
Well when the bubble bursts around 10 cent then you can buy Naspers to your hearts desire and cheap :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on October 31, 2017, 10:15:07 am
If they happens I think they'll have to pay you to take Naspers!
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Post by: Moneypenny on October 31, 2017, 10:16:55 am
Remember when Naspers was R700 a share and everyone said sell?
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Post by: gcr on October 31, 2017, 11:27:39 am
My only caution would be watch when Bekker starts selling off shares - he took his salary in shares for years so if they suffer a retracement he would be hurt quite considerably
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Post by: Datura on October 31, 2017, 01:09:29 pm
BRUCE WHITFIELD: A sneeze in Beijing could chill Naspers to the bone
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Post by: Datura on October 31, 2017, 01:19:21 pm
Bekker recently sold 70 percent of his N shares.  Bob was awarded 150K N shares long term incentive.  I would get worried if he started selling...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2017, 03:06:50 pm
Bruce should spend time on other companies not performing,  I is keeping my 10c and NPN.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2017, 03:10:41 pm
Apple's new extravagant campus is based in Cupertino, California, and comes with an estimated price tag of around $5 billion
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Post by: jaDEB on October 31, 2017, 04:30:04 pm
lol - South Africa's nuclear regulator said on Tuesday that an installation site licence would likely be granted in June for a nuclear power plant
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2017, 08:48:16 am
Is BTC going to hit R100,000 Today?
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Post by: andre on November 01, 2017, 11:09:08 am
Just did on Luno  ???
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 01, 2017, 11:11:57 am
mmm R91,700 at the moment?
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Post by: andre on November 01, 2017, 11:28:13 am
mmm R91,700 at the moment?

right now:

(https://s1.postimg.org/50lxzcqnbj/Capture.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2017, 12:13:27 pm
:) now R 105,000
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 01, 2017, 01:15:46 pm
BTC to the moon, but will drop after the fork no doubt.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 01, 2017, 01:41:57 pm
oops! I was looking at coindata and just judging the amounts off there
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2017, 03:11:46 pm
What is volatile in Afrikaans?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2017, 03:21:32 pm
Vissel vallig
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 01, 2017, 03:41:56 pm
Wispelturig maar wisselvallig is ook reg. ;)

Both meaning changing direction frequently, the former is just doing it with passion.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2017, 04:08:54 pm
Frikkie my spelling suig ... dankie
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 02, 2017, 08:12:29 am
Nooooo JaDEB, some things just sound better in English, stay with ‘suck’. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 02, 2017, 08:20:13 am
Will do :), my Tesla shares is getting a hidding, that sucks :'(
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2017, 08:43:18 am
Should have bought Amazon... They're going to take over the world!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 02, 2017, 09:50:17 am
Including the Gupta's ?
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Post by: Patrick on November 02, 2017, 09:53:59 am
No, Scotland Yard and the FBI will own them pretty soon.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 02, 2017, 10:18:28 am
AMD also taking a hiding...tech stocks are weird. ADI is crumbling, does anyone know wtf?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 02, 2017, 10:35:20 am
•Muted margin outlook was the single biggest reason for the sell-off. However, seasoned AMD investors are accustomed to emotionally fueled sell-offs
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 02, 2017, 02:20:10 pm
BoE raises rates for 1st time in 10 Years, Pound down nearly 1%
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Post by: czc on November 02, 2017, 03:04:11 pm
Anyone want a large dose of OMG you said what? Listen to Zuma dodge answering questions.
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Post by: Nivek on November 03, 2017, 09:19:10 am
You need to be a special brand of stupid to buy any of those answers.
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 03, 2017, 09:28:12 am
What answers? Only saw dodging.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 03, 2017, 09:39:55 am
Hahaha
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Post by: czc on November 03, 2017, 09:41:31 am
Did anyone see that troll by James Gubb?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 03, 2017, 11:23:24 am
@czc yes, awesome, pity about the fine
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Post by: Snapcase on November 03, 2017, 11:40:51 am
ffs Lonmin http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/186719
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Post by: gcr on November 03, 2017, 01:32:45 pm
Just had a look at the leader board and though I am not doing great I see that I dropped from about 150 to 290 and all because I have not utilized my recent cash injection also the person sitting in 291 has some R600,000 sitting in cash
Surely the ranking should be based on the value of the shares in the portfolio and the unutilized cash component of one's holdings?
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Post by: Patrick on November 03, 2017, 01:46:02 pm
Cash is included gcr, so your ranking appears to be accurate
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Post by: gcr on November 03, 2017, 01:59:12 pm
Cash is included gcr, so your ranking appears to be accurate
Thanks Patrick - seems that a few of my holdings are worse than leaking buckets and look a bit like the dams in Western Cape
Ta
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Post by: Snapcase on November 03, 2017, 02:21:35 pm
Haha, Lonmin has caused me to drop from 15th to 322....in a single morning.  Granted all my eggs are in one basket, but I was enjoying the rollercoaster
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Post by: Patrick on November 03, 2017, 03:01:32 pm
Clearly you chose the wrong basket, should have tried the Naspers basket :)
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Post by: George on November 03, 2017, 05:25:02 pm
Haha, lonmin and Naspers have been good to sell since yesterday.
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Post by: Orca on November 03, 2017, 07:04:57 pm
Buying stocks have become a gamble so perhaps the index method is the best way forward. I have always liked STXIND as it was the best performer for many years and looking at the 10 year chart I think I should sell all my individual stocks and buy into it. Then I will only hold DIVTRX and STXIND.
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Post by: gcr on November 03, 2017, 09:32:46 pm
Orca - I tend to agree with you on STXIND - my view is that the only way the country will recover is through the industrial sector, mining is dead and corrupt. Other sector will only show real growth in industrials take off and they are by far the most likely sector to grow staff numbers
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Post by: Hamster on November 04, 2017, 07:39:31 am
You guys meant to say NPNIND
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Post by: Hamster on November 04, 2017, 07:42:08 am
Actually, why is Naspers still considered industrial?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 04, 2017, 05:52:13 pm
naspers is life
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 04, 2017, 05:52:23 pm
I dont have the balls to short it
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Post by: jaDEB on November 06, 2017, 09:36:51 am
@Plat - good call :)
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Post by: Moonraker on November 07, 2017, 08:30:25 am
tencent up on 3% on HSE!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 07, 2017, 09:30:40 am
NPN 50% in 6 months :/
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Post by: Wallace on November 07, 2017, 10:08:55 am
Hi,who should I go with when opening an e-wallet for cryptocurrencies
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Post by: Datura on November 07, 2017, 11:07:38 am
What currency do you want to use
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Post by: Wallace on November 07, 2017, 11:13:57 am
LTC, lets start small
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Post by: Patrick on November 07, 2017, 04:44:49 pm
Platinum is the local crypto guru. I don't hold any, I'm too scared of the wild price swings.
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Post by: Hamster on November 07, 2017, 04:51:31 pm
Platinum is the local crypto guru. I don't hold any, I'm too scared of the wild price swings.
This. He's probably gonna end up drinking way more expensive wine than me one day,  but I just can't get myself to invest a meaningful amount. :(
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Post by: Wallace on November 07, 2017, 05:33:41 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2017, 06:16:07 pm
I use Luno.com and I just send my daughter R300 worth of BTC so she can learn :)
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Post by: jaDEB on November 07, 2017, 06:17:34 pm
F$#&^'en  cheap scate
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Post by: Wallace on November 07, 2017, 06:45:47 pm
Thanx for the tip, will try Luno. I see they are the prefered platform.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 07, 2017, 10:06:35 pm
JSE ALSI is only 7% a year if you think about it.
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Post by: SirDieALot on November 08, 2017, 11:45:35 am
Thanx for the tip, will try Luno. I see they are the prefered platform.

 https://ice3x.com?ref=14305223 (https://ice3x.com?ref=14305223) is also good just not as much volume as luno
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Post by: Patrick on November 08, 2017, 11:54:10 am
So I'm planning to move from FNB to Capitec, anyone here use Capitec? Anything I need to know before I close my FNB account?
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Post by: Hamster on November 08, 2017, 11:55:15 am
Yes, I have a question: Why?
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Post by: Hamster on November 08, 2017, 11:57:34 am
...and can you transfer your soon to be defunct eBucks to me who in this time is willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good and relieve you of this most heavy of burdens.
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Post by: Wallace on November 08, 2017, 12:25:32 pm
Just bought ACG, heard it thru the grapevine.
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Post by: Wallace on November 08, 2017, 01:34:01 pm
Orion popped on good news, I think I will hold off on this one, not minning yet.
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Post by: Patrick on November 08, 2017, 02:15:42 pm
I get no interest at FNB and I'll get 5.4% at Capitec. I generally keep at least R30k in that account so it'll add up. Sorry, I sold all my ebucks yesterday. Got 30% more than face value, good deal to me.
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Post by: Hamster on November 08, 2017, 03:10:39 pm
I get no interest at FNB and I'll get 5.4% at Capitec. I generally keep at least R30k in that account so it'll add up. Sorry, I sold all my ebucks yesterday. Got 30% more than face value, good deal to me.

Is that the regular savings/current account or like an emergency fund?

My current account at FNB after all the debit orders is close to R0. Extra funds is in a 32 day account I use to fund the credit card if there was an emergency of some sorts.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on November 08, 2017, 03:21:16 pm
Patrick - capitec cannot do swift overseas transfer - as far as I know
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Post by: andre on November 08, 2017, 04:21:24 pm
Thanx for the tip, will try Luno. I see they are the prefered platform.

If you want to by LTC local the only option is ICE3X but they have highish margins so take care to compare prices.
If you're using ZAR rather buy BTC from Luno and move it to an exchange where you can swop it for other currencies like LTC.
Actually, a better way of doing it is to move your BTC away from Luno to a wallet where you control the private keys.
One option is to use http://www.exodus.io/ which - a desktop wallet with great features.  You control your own private keys and can use Shapeshift to convert to other supported crypto at low cost. (If you have USD or EUR then buy BTC from Bitstamp.com as it's around 6% cheaper than Luno on avg).
If you want access to all kinds of obscure crypto you can register at https://bittrex.com/

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Post by: Patrick on November 08, 2017, 05:38:58 pm
Is that the regular savings/current account or like an emergency fund?

My current account at FNB after all the debit orders is close to R0. Extra funds is in a 32 day account I use to fund the credit card if there was an emergency of some sorts.
It's my current account. I need to keep a minimum of R20k to avoid monthly fees, so I start with month with R40k in it, and then it works down to around R20k by month end. That last R20k is my "emergency fund". My uninvested savings go to my absa stockbrokers account where I earn +-6.5% interest until I have R100k and then it goes offshore.

Patrick - capitec cannot do swift overseas transfer - as far as I know
That's what ClickFX is for :)
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Post by: Hamster on November 08, 2017, 05:59:56 pm


Is that the regular savings/current account or like an emergency fund?

My current account at FNB after all the debit orders is close to R0. Extra funds is in a 32 day account I use to fund the credit card if there was an emergency of some sorts.
It's my current account. I need to keep a minimum of R20k to avoid monthly fees

This works for me because of my spending patterns, but the eBucks I receive more than covers my monthly fees. I'm on level 5 so I get 40% discount at Checkers...so it really works. Way better solution for me than having to keep R20k in an current account.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 09, 2017, 12:16:57 pm
sEE luNO IS ALSO NOW selling Ethereum :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 09, 2017, 04:21:23 pm
Tol ya so - almost got banned on mybb when I said they are talking kak when they said luno wont ever sell ether. They go where the money is.
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Post by: Illuminated One on November 10, 2017, 03:03:59 pm
If anyone is keen to sell ebucks, I would like to buy
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Post by: Hamster on November 10, 2017, 04:06:59 pm
20c per eBuck. Let's do this!
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Post by: Illuminated One on November 10, 2017, 04:54:22 pm
Hahaha hamster - not that keen... was thinking more like 11-12c depending on volume
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Post by: RayRay on November 12, 2017, 07:39:56 am
So I'm planning to move from FNB to Capitec, anyone here use Capitec? Anything I need to know before I close my FNB account?
I've been using Capitec for close to 5 years now. I love it. Use in conjunction with a Virgin Money credit card (Free). Do all my spending on the credit card, up to 55 days interest free. Let your money sit in the Capitec account until your credit card is due, settle the debt in full, repeat process. This way you get all the interest goodness of a large balance in your Capitec account, and interest free "borrowing" for 55 days.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 12, 2017, 11:36:39 am
Capitec is incredible, from a fee perspective. Been a user since 2008
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Post by: Bread on November 12, 2017, 04:37:47 pm
You Capitec guys. Do you have to verify each and every transaction on your current/cheque account with the app on your smartphone? I'm with ABSA and I've just discovered they won't let me continue with their online banking unless I download their latest app to my smartphone to verify online transactions. I don't want to do that as it's a hassle and makes me more reliant on my phone that ever. So I'm thinking of switching to Capitec where hopefully I won't have to do that.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 12, 2017, 07:29:20 pm
Not at all, I do online transactions daily, no verification needed.
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Post by: Bread on November 12, 2017, 07:57:14 pm
Ah, cool. Thanks.
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Post by: Patrick on November 12, 2017, 08:57:01 pm
Nice tip their RayRay, I already have a Virgin money card, I'll have to take advantage of the interest free period. just a question, of you pay for fuel is it also interest free for 55 days?
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Post by: Hamster on November 13, 2017, 05:05:21 am


interest free "borrowing" for 55 days.

Which credit card in South Africa doesn't do that? It's not a Capitec "feature".
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Post by: RayRay on November 13, 2017, 07:15:54 am
Nice tip their RayRay, I already have a Virgin money card, I'll have to take advantage of the interest free period. just a question, of you pay for fuel is it also interest free for 55 days?
As far as I have experienced, yes it is. I only buy fuel (and pay tolls) with my credit card. Have not seen any interest charges on my statements.
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Post by: RayRay on November 13, 2017, 07:33:13 am
Hamster, I did not claim it to be a feature of Capitec Virgin Money. Simply pointed out that you could, and should, use the interest period to your advantage. Also, some users might not have credit cards and/or know how the interest free period works.
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Post by: Patrick on November 13, 2017, 08:35:25 am
Thanks RayRay, yeah getting any money interest free is great! Cards often charge interest from the word go on cash withdrawals, and I've heard of some doing the same with fuel due to some law I believe. I'll let you know what I see on my statement.
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Post by: gcr on November 13, 2017, 09:48:06 am
If you draw cash against your credit card then you don't enjoy the benefit of the 55 days interest free period - that was the purpose of the money card. Also remember that if you fail to liquidate the outstanding transaction by the 55th day then interest is charged from date that the transaction was processed. Also the banks have changed their method of processing transaction in that instead of the transaction being the date that the transaction was physically booked to your account, it is now backdated to the actual transaction date - which has reduced the 55 days to 53 days
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 13, 2017, 09:53:12 am
My capitec credit card is set to straight so no 55 days for me sadly.
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Post by: Hamster on November 13, 2017, 11:01:04 am



Hamster, I did not claim it to be a feature of Capitec Virgin Money. Simply pointed out that you could, and should, use the interest period to your advantage. Also, some users might not have credit cards and/or know how the interest free period works.

I now understand...

My capitec credit card is set to straight so no 55 days for me sadly.

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Post by: gcr on November 13, 2017, 03:23:09 pm
Had a quick look at the Sunday Times Top 100 listings yesterday and one of the counters I hold Adapt IT was placed 2nd over 5 years.
My holdings are showing a 31% fall in value since September 2015 - so they must have, had to do exceptionally well in the previous 2 years to achieve 2hnd place. Currently they are the 2nd most costly share in my portfolio as I am down about R 26,000 on my holdings, but then again its better than my Taste shares which are costing me in excess of R 100,000 in losses.
Orca must also be screaming because I think he also has taken a substantial thump with Adapt It in his private portfolio

Come on Zuma move to Siberia 
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Post by: yozzi on November 13, 2017, 03:57:40 pm
Also saw that in the Sunday Times yesterday and Finbond 110% annual growth and with R10k invested 5 years ago would now be at R411k is that for real? Incedible!
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Post by: Orca on November 13, 2017, 09:29:16 pm
ADI is about 20% of my portfolio so I'm not too concerned or worried at all. I obviously don't like the fall in price but it is overdone and out of favour but it I will keep it as it will perform after the next results. Their latest acquisition will add to their income as it was a big expense with the last results.
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Post by: rond on November 13, 2017, 09:40:02 pm
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Post by: rond on November 13, 2017, 09:40:40 pm
Hi Orca, i'd like to receive your blogs to my email ?.
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Post by: rond on November 13, 2017, 09:41:04 pm
please explain to this dom kolf as to how. tx
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 14, 2017, 09:06:17 am
ADI is killing me. I regret buying in to be honest, it's still on a steady downward slope. I don't know how you guys stay so positive haha, it just irks me because I cannot seem to find any legitimate reason for this?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 14, 2017, 09:52:40 am
Starting to think I need to get me some Adapt IT
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 14, 2017, 09:55:52 am
I think I've bought in twice when I thought it reached a new low...and it's still dropping. I'm gonna wait this one out
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 14, 2017, 12:54:01 pm
Sounds like me and  Long 4 Life, I've been buying since the IPO and it's still dropping
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Post by: gcr on November 14, 2017, 04:31:43 pm
Sounds like me and  Long 4 Life, I've been buying since the IPO and it's still dropping
I also bought L4L - 2 weeks after launch but steered clear of Anchor Group as it seems that all listings this year have settled below their listing price - suppose the hubris wears off - the saying "the market knows all" is probably true. Anchor price over the last 12 months shows R 10.20 as a high , against a low of R 4.40 and current R 4.80 so may be opportune to wait a few months and then buy. I bought Sygnia and currently they are just keeping head above water 
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Post by: Orca on November 14, 2017, 08:05:45 pm
ADI has a great CEO and management team that are hell bent on growing the company hence their frequent acquisitions. This is why they only pay divies once a year at a low percentage. These acquisitions hurt their results and frighten investors. The past 5% increase in HYE HEPS is great despite their new acquisition. I will hold as they have enough cash to make more acquisitions. They are in competition with EOH as the CEO said. 
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Post by: gcr on November 14, 2017, 10:43:53 pm
ADI has a great CEO and management team that are hell bent on growing the company hence their frequent acquisitions. This is why they only pay divies once a year at a low percentage. These acquisitions hurt their results and frighten investors. The past 5% increase in HYE HEPS is great despite their new acquisition. I will hold as they have enough cash to make more acquisitions. They are in competition with EOH as the CEO said.
I will also hold but will add more on the dips - which are quite frequent
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Post by: Patrick on November 15, 2017, 11:30:41 am
So, how about that naspers price...
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Post by: Moonraker on November 15, 2017, 11:56:53 am
Patrick you mean this..

Tencent Holdings Ltd. (0700.HK) reported a 69% increase in third-quarter net profit, driven by strong growth in its mobile-gaming and digital-content divisions and robust advertising revenue.
The Chinese internet giant said Wednesday its net profit for the July-September period rose to 18.01 billion yuan ($2.71 billion) from CNY10.65 billion a year earlier. Analysts polled by S&P Global Market Intelligence expected net profit of CNY15.7 billion.
Tencent's revenue for the period rose 61% to CNY65.21 billion, beating analysts' forecast for CNY61 billion.
Tencent shares ended 1.3% lower in Hong Kong.

3698.49        +106.99        (+2.98%)
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Post by: Patrick on November 15, 2017, 01:58:36 pm
That would be the cause, yes.
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Post by: Maurice on November 15, 2017, 02:29:35 pm
NPN is flying it is a good hold at the moment. Who will be brave enough to short it?
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Post by: Moonraker on November 17, 2017, 08:35:12 am
TENCENT (700) HK$402.600 +10.800 (+2.76%) - More upside today if ROE plays ball
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 17, 2017, 10:11:33 am
Everyone talks how overweight and overpriced and bad NPN is, but they all buy them in heaps, yet to meet someone who sorts NPN
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Post by: Hamster on November 18, 2017, 06:23:34 am
It's like the spammers aren't even trying anymore
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Post by: gcr on November 20, 2017, 09:35:58 am
How come my Mr Price and Discovery shares on my portfolio have a zero value
Patrick - please have a look and see whether this is a glitch or not - Thanks
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Post by: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 11:07:02 am
Hey GCR, sometimes the service I pull from allocates a 0 value. It usually fixes itself in 15 minutes as it has done again. I don't see Mr Price in your holdings though.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 20, 2017, 12:31:08 pm
NPN / Tencent :)
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Post by: JohnnyH on November 20, 2017, 12:31:22 pm
@Patrick have you had a look at the new-ish Ashburton Global 1200 ETF? I quite like this as a "buy only one ETF" product. Thoughts?
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Post by: gcr on November 20, 2017, 02:08:53 pm
Hey GCR, sometimes the service I pull from allocates a 0 value. It usually fixes itself in 15 minutes as it has done again. I don't see Mr Price in your holdings though.
Hi Patrick - maybe that's one of life's curiosities - could have sworn that it was Mr Price and Discovery - but could have been wrong - which in my universe is a rare event :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 02:31:26 pm
Hey JohnnyH, I had a quick look. It's not bad, but it's TER is 0.45%. You can get more diversification from the Satrix World Feeder at just 0.31%, so I can't see any reason why anyone would buy the Ashburton fund.
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Post by: JohnnyH on November 20, 2017, 03:31:14 pm
Hey JohnnyH, I had a quick look. It's not bad, but it's TER is 0.45%. You can get more diversification from the Satrix World Feeder at just 0.31%, so I can't see any reason why anyone would buy the Ashburton fund.

Thanks Patrick

Some differences are, the ASH1200 includes some Emerging Markets which I like & pays quarterly divs (will be small yes, but I still like it), so I hope the additional 0.1% TER is worth it for the EM exposure.
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Post by: Hamster on November 20, 2017, 04:11:08 pm
Hey JohnnyH, I had a quick look. It's not bad, but it's TER is 0.45%. You can get more diversification from the Satrix World Feeder at just 0.31%, so I can't see any reason why anyone would buy the Ashburton fund.
ASHGEQ has emerging market exposure.

If you are staying in RSA then all you need is 60% ASHGEQ and 40% MAPPSG and you should be sorted.
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Post by: Tremaine on November 21, 2017, 08:03:27 am
Hi Everyone, can someone please add the following share code for us. EEL
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Post by: RayRay on November 21, 2017, 12:08:57 pm
Any reason why ASHGEQ is not on the ABSA TFSA ETF list?
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Post by: Hamster on November 21, 2017, 12:42:06 pm
Any reason why ASHGEQ is not on the ABSA TFSA ETF list?

I can see it on my ETF only account. What list are you referring to? They also have it as "ASHGLOEQT"
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Post by: RayRay on November 21, 2017, 12:54:30 pm
Yes, I am also able to see it in my Absa Stockbrokers ETF Only account, but not in my TFSA account. The list I am referring to is the "Available TFSA Instruments" list.
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Post by: Hamster on November 21, 2017, 01:25:13 pm
Yes, I am also able to see it in my Absa Stockbrokers ETF Only account, but not in my TFSA account. The list I am referring to is the "Available TFSA Instruments" list.

I misread that. Checked - can't see it on ABSA TFSA, can see it on EE TFSA though. Maybe a bug on ABSA's side?
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Post by: RayRay on November 21, 2017, 01:41:57 pm
Sent an email to ABSA. Let's see what the response is.
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Post by: RayRay on November 21, 2017, 03:46:10 pm
"Thank you for contacting Absa Stockbrokers and Portfolio Management.
 Please note that the TFS account only has an approved list of ETF’s that are tradable on the account.
 Ashgeq is not a part of the approved list."  :wtf:
You say it's on the EE TFSA list, Hamster?
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 21, 2017, 03:51:11 pm
Yes I see it on EE
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Post by: Hamster on November 21, 2017, 09:02:50 pm


"Thank you for contacting Absa Stockbrokers and Portfolio Management.
 Please note that the TFS account only has an approved list of ETF’s that are tradable on the account.
 Ashgeq is not a part of the approved list."  :wtf:
You say it's on the EE TFSA list, Hamster?

It is not unthinkable that EasyEquities has a bug or listed it erroneously. They hardly have a great track record with these sort of things and have had to refund clients on more than one occasion.

My guess is that EE is a very manual system hidden behind a shiny (for those that like kiddy games) interface.

So on the face of it I'd side with ABSA on this one.
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Post by: RayRay on November 22, 2017, 07:33:32 am
Noted, thank you.
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Post by: Patrick on November 22, 2017, 08:26:46 am
Hi Everyone, can someone please add the following share code for us. EEL
How Liquid is EEL? It needs to trade 16+ times a day to be considered.
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 22, 2017, 11:27:02 am
One sale so far @ 10:42, 250 volume, doesn't seem it will make it
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Post by: Patrick on November 22, 2017, 11:55:14 am
Thanks yeah that's what I suspected from the graph.
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Post by: Maurice on November 22, 2017, 02:55:46 pm
Naspers taking quite a knock today 3.42% down is what I see!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 22, 2017, 03:00:22 pm
Rand Strenght and 10c was down 0.74%. It's just taking a breather, it needs it.
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Post by: RayRay on November 22, 2017, 03:27:38 pm
Sygnia Itrix 4th Industrial Revolution Global Equity ETF IPO
https://indices.kensho.com/index/KNEX
https://www.sygnia.co.za/etfs/new-listing

Interesting
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Post by: jaDEB on November 22, 2017, 05:15:21 pm
fRIKKIE !!!!
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Post by: Moneypenny on November 23, 2017, 08:59:31 am
Wat het Frikkie gedoen?
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Post by: Datura on November 23, 2017, 11:13:12 am
What happened there?  LON value 0
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Post by: Hamster on November 23, 2017, 01:09:09 pm
What happened there?  LON value 0

On EE?
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Post by: jaDEB on November 24, 2017, 07:19:57 am
@Moneypenny, Frikkie het a draai gemaak by NPN . . bl*ksem !!
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Post by: Nivek on November 24, 2017, 02:07:39 pm
When are the ratings results coming?
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Post by: Moonraker on November 24, 2017, 04:07:49 pm
"We are expecting S&P to make their announcement tonight at 18:30 and Moody’s closer to 23:30."
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Post by: Nivek on November 25, 2017, 10:01:12 am
Not the best news. I thought they'd leave us alone until after December.
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Post by: Moonraker on November 25, 2017, 10:25:46 am
S&P one below junk for foreign denominated debt. Note "below junk." NPN will be happy on Monday as ZAR sickly.
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Post by: Snapcase on November 27, 2017, 12:05:49 pm
honestly can't keep up with btc, its insane
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Post by: Bread on November 27, 2017, 01:05:47 pm
Shouldn't be long now,  chaps   8)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 27, 2017, 01:37:24 pm
BTC is life
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 27, 2017, 03:34:08 pm
Sygnia Itrix 4th Industrial Revolution Global Equity ETF IPO
https://indices.kensho.com/index/KNEX
https://www.sygnia.co.za/etfs/new-listing

Interesting

Very interesting exposure indeed. Anyone else looked at this?
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Post by: Hamster on November 27, 2017, 04:56:04 pm
Sygnia Itrix 4th Industrial Revolution Global Equity ETF IPO
https://indices.kensho.com/index/KNEX
https://www.sygnia.co.za/etfs/new-listing

Interesting

Very interesting exposure indeed. Anyone else looked at this?

Patiently waiting for the 6th
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 28, 2017, 08:17:55 am
I'm buying
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Post by: Hamster on November 28, 2017, 10:11:08 am
Can't buy the IPO on EE though because it says there are no available funds in the account. The same screen says differently at the top, but hey, I'm sure their support staff will eventually open the tick and fix it.

I really hate that site. If it wasn't so cheap and convenient... *sigh*
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 28, 2017, 10:51:16 am
Heh I don't have any funds, period :D I've just allocated to others before I found out about this ETF. I'm gonna have to wait till after it's listed
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 28, 2017, 10:54:00 am
True about EE, I'm not anticipating their upcoming app will be any better!
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Post by: Bread on November 28, 2017, 07:29:03 pm
Jeepers!!! I've never seen the Dow go up like that    ???
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Post by: JohnnyH on November 29, 2017, 07:38:56 am
Can't buy the IPO on EE though because it says there are no available funds in the account. The same screen says differently at the top, but hey, I'm sure their support staff will eventually open the tick and fix it.

I really hate that site. If it wasn't so cheap and convenient... *sigh*

I have the same issue...Sold some GLPROP to move over to this 2 days ago, but getting the same error. Asked them on twitter & they responded saying you can't buy IPOs with uncleared funds.

So, now I wait for 6 Dec like you. ::) If any other broker removes their minimum trade limits I will definitely move!
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Post by: gcr on November 29, 2017, 03:51:08 pm
Can't buy the IPO on EE though because it says there are no available funds in the account. The same screen says differently at the top, but hey, I'm sure their support staff will eventually open the tick and fix it.

I really hate that site. If it wasn't so cheap and convenient... *sigh*

I have the same issue...Sold some GLPROP to move over to this 2 days ago, but getting the same error. Asked them on twitter & they responded saying you can't buy IPOs with uncleared funds.

So, now I wait for 6 Dec like you. ::) If any other broker removes their minimum trade limits I will definitely move!
If you have a reasonable standing with your broker there should be no need to wait the 3 days - this ruling has everything to do with banks clearing periods where funds flow from one institution to another, but even today with ACB there is no need to hold onto these clearing rules.
Since all scrip today is held electronically and you don't have paper share certificates which have to be dematerialized of certificates split it is ludicrous that the broker insists on the window period
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Post by: JohnnyH on November 30, 2017, 08:10:53 am

If you have a reasonable standing with your broker there should be no need to wait the 3 days - this ruling has everything to do with banks clearing periods where funds flow from one institution to another, but even today with ACB there is no need to hold onto these clearing rules.
Since all scrip today is held electronically and you don't have paper share certificates which have to be dematerialized of certificates split it is ludicrous that the broker insists on the window period
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My thoughts exactly. What made it worse was that they told me that I can always deposit new funds & then draw that amount again afterwards. No problem, right? Except that this was in a TFSA...so if you withdraw any amount, you lose that "forever". Just bad advice I think.

Anyway, the brokerage on the amount I wanted to buy won't be gigantic, but ja, still would have been nice.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on November 30, 2017, 09:45:01 am
Wow, NYSE tech stocks had a Black Friday sale yesterday looks like
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Post by: jaDEB on November 30, 2017, 12:26:40 pm
:'(
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 30, 2017, 01:46:02 pm
crypto having a late black friday
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 30, 2017, 01:46:07 pm
50\% off
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Post by: gcr on November 30, 2017, 04:14:27 pm
How to drop more than 100 positions in the share challenge - have 2 of your counters show 0 current value - Bidvest, Woolworths
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Post by: Patrick on November 30, 2017, 05:25:54 pm
I blame Bloomberg, but don't worry, it'll sort itself out soon.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 30, 2017, 11:25:24 pm
Google cutting their API sucks balls.
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2017, 09:33:40 am
I blame Bloomberg, but don't worry, it'll sort itself out soon.
All fair and well but today my Rolfes have no current value :'( :'(
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Post by: Patrick on December 01, 2017, 12:14:18 pm
Looks like bloomberg fixed the price, now it's just a very lousy performer again :)
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2017, 12:37:36 pm
Looks like bloomberg fixed the price, now it's just a very lousy performer again :)
Now my PnPay also zero current price :'( :'(
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Post by: Patrick on December 01, 2017, 01:55:33 pm
I never seem to be able to see the issues you mention. Everytime I check it's all back to normal!
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2017, 02:47:27 pm
I never seem to be able to see the issues you mention. Everytime I check it's all back to normal!
I could well imagine that because prices are time stamped there is every possibility that we may see different prices/non prices - could also have something to do with the spooling of prices by Bloombugs :LHST:
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2017, 02:52:18 pm
Don't know if anyone holds Greenbay but it seems that the turnover in shares has been what I would consider high, to just a few moments ago trades topped 20.6 million shares and this past week volumes have been high
Anybody have any insight as to what's going on into or is the counter just a high volume entity?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 01, 2017, 04:31:37 pm
It's pretty normal. See https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/stockdetails/history/fi-193.1.GRP.JSE
Check Volume over 1 Year
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Post by: gcr on December 01, 2017, 04:37:56 pm
It's pretty normal. See https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/stockdetails/history/fi-193.1.GRP.JSE
Check Volume over 1 Year
Ta - very busy share - volatility 7.1
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Post by: Orca on December 01, 2017, 08:35:14 pm
Zar up 3.7% for November despite the downgrade beating 21 of it's 22 emerging market peers. Look how well the Brazilian market performed after all 3 agencies downgraded it to total junk.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on December 03, 2017, 04:19:32 pm
I want logn 4 life to shoot the lights out before 2018
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Post by: Bread on December 04, 2017, 04:20:31 am
Greenbay divi ldt 12 Dec.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 04, 2017, 09:12:32 am
TENCENT (700) HK$393.000 +8.000 (+2.08%)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2017, 11:19:22 am
Thanks Mr Bond :)
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 04, 2017, 11:31:26 am
How are you guys investing in foreign stocks? EE don't have a few on their list that I am interested in (U.S.)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 04, 2017, 11:43:14 am
I opened a offshore account thru SASFIN and bough Tencent & Tesla
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Post by: Patrick on December 04, 2017, 12:25:17 pm
I use Interactive Brokers, I also have a De Giro account, but I haven't used them for anything yet.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 04, 2017, 12:27:37 pm
Cool, thanks guys. I'll check em out..
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Post by: Moonraker on December 04, 2017, 12:37:21 pm
SNH down over 7% in Germany - more uncertainties re. balance sheet fraud.
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Post by: JohnnyH on December 05, 2017, 10:00:59 am
What are you guys using now that google finance looks like it was made for children...? I really miss the old GFinance!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 05, 2017, 10:04:55 am
Yeah wtf!!! I think I'm using an old Firefox at work, because it's still using the old interface
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Post by: Moonraker on December 05, 2017, 12:01:27 pm
It has been suggested that the capital gains tax (CGT) rate be increased further so that the full capital gain realised on disposals is taxed.
https://www.fin24.com/Opinion/tax-hikes-wont-solve-sas-fiscal-woes-20171205

If that happens, it would be a reason to immediately emigrate (if possible), even as an old person.
Or become a trader as the 3 year rule then becomes meaningless.
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Post by: Datura on December 05, 2017, 12:30:34 pm
NPN taking a knock...
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Post by: Orca on December 05, 2017, 02:32:31 pm
That FIN24 article is a bit misinforming. Portugal has a 50% inclusion but only for fixed property. Shares have a 100% inclusion rate.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 05, 2017, 02:49:03 pm
Had a good chuckle last night, Radio 702 bitching about multichoice and Koos Bekker and then play a add for DStv lol
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Post by: Moonraker on December 05, 2017, 03:02:35 pm
Who wants to live in Europe and be taxed to death if you could live in the US where even your mortgage bonds are deductible.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 05, 2017, 03:30:55 pm
SNH shooting the lights out .. to the downside. Unaudited results tomorrow.
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Post by: Orca on December 05, 2017, 06:29:02 pm
CGT sucks here but mortgage and even rent is tax deductible. A portion of your food also as is your non working kids and spouse.
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Post by: JohnnyH on December 06, 2017, 07:53:49 am
Steinhoff...ouch. Markus Jooste quites with immediate effect!
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 08:32:38 am
...but, but, but, Christo Wiese took over for now.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 06, 2017, 08:42:38 am
..from the fire into the frying pan. CW is a wealth destroyer. ;)
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Post by: JohnnyH on December 06, 2017, 09:20:21 am
Wow, people on twitter saying price at ~R17
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 09:27:06 am
Steinhoff N.V -61.53%, ShfInvpref -5.19%, "buy when there is blood in the streets."
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 09:47:03 am
-47%, -12%
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Post by: Patrick on December 06, 2017, 09:47:45 am
Who wants to live in Europe and be taxed to death if you could live in the US where even your mortgage bonds are deductible.
Anyone who thinks you might ever need serious healthcare. Before Obamacare medical bills were responsible for 60% of bankruptcies in the USA. If you feel like some scary reading try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/460vj4/americans_what_is_your_american_health_care_cost/
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Post by: Moonraker on December 06, 2017, 09:57:28 am
Steinhoff N.V -61.53%, ShfInvpref -5.19%, "buy when there is blood in the streets."
Only if you are prepared to wait 10 years in this case.
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 10:21:44 am
I'm thinking more along the lines of a long next 6 mnths.
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Post by: Wallace on December 06, 2017, 11:12:02 am
Good Day all and sundry, I would like to try this CFD thing is their anyone willing to mentor me in this regard?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on December 06, 2017, 12:01:52 pm
Use GT247 if you want to go down that avenue.
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Post by: Snapcase on December 06, 2017, 01:45:54 pm
BTC R191k...
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Post by: Patrick on December 06, 2017, 01:59:01 pm
Still feels to me like a classic case of the greater fool theory, only the greater fool is so much greater than I thought ;)
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Post by: gcr on December 06, 2017, 02:03:08 pm
Use GT247 if you want to go down that avenue.
I would be wary of GT247 - they have a history going back to about 2005 for some rather unsavoury operations
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Post by: Moonraker on December 06, 2017, 02:13:27 pm
 SNH there are fears that investigations may also extend to Wiese.
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Post by: Wallace on December 06, 2017, 02:16:56 pm
whome else can I go with?
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Post by: Wallace on December 06, 2017, 02:29:59 pm
this market is tired, where is the bull market we have been reading about, the last hooray.
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Post by: Nivek on December 06, 2017, 02:32:00 pm
The bull has emigrated :) Hey Graham what is the history, 2005 is before my time. Isn't easy equities part of GT247?
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 06, 2017, 02:34:43 pm
Market dip probably means a good time to get into it.
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Post by: Bread on December 06, 2017, 03:39:50 pm
Who wants to live in Europe and be taxed to death if you could live in the US where even your mortgage bonds are deductible.
Anyone who thinks you might ever need serious healthcare. Before Obamacare medical bills were responsible for 60% of bankruptcies in the USA. If you feel like some scary reading try this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/460vj4/americans_what_is_your_american_health_care_cost/
Good grief  ???  We sho' got it good here in ol' SA.
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Post by: Snapcase on December 06, 2017, 04:01:10 pm
Being in the UK currently, I keep telling them how the NHS is virtually the single most important institution they have, and they need to avoid going private at all costs.  They dont get it.
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 04:04:23 pm
Good Day all and sundry, I would like to try this CFD thing is their anyone willing to mentor me in this regard?

Hallo to you too random citizen. :) I don't think anybody who knows how to do this would dare to mentor somebody else. The easy part is choosing your longs/shorts and timing.  The hard part is learning the tricks, yes I said tricks, of the market makers.
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 04:06:56 pm
Being in the UK currently, I keep telling them how the NHS is virtually the single most important institution they have, and they need to avoid going private at all costs.  They dont get it.

True that, NHS was really easy and effective when we lived there.
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 06, 2017, 04:19:27 pm
SNH -61.03%, SHFF -33.3% and guilty by association (Wiese) Brait -6%.  Guess BAT happy they sold $1BLN stake in Steinhoff late 2015.
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Post by: gcr on December 06, 2017, 04:38:12 pm
The bull has emigrated :) Hey Graham what is the history, 2005 is before my time. Isn't easy equities part of GT247?
I tried to dredge up what some of the noise was around GT 247 but can't find it. I used to read comments on a site which I recall being called page 181 or something to this effect - all posters were traders from across the world (but all at one stage had SA roots) some traded on behalf of HSBC in Hong Kong, Meeg Bank in London and Chase Manhattan out of New York. The only name I recognize at GT247 is Mark Barnes who now functions as CEO of the Post Office but was part of the start up team that established GT247. From memory there were some issues around timing of deals and that they were not always executed timeously. Will read through Google a bit more to see whether I can get more detail and then provide more info
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Post by: jaDEB on December 07, 2017, 08:03:52 am
Tencent up 2.9% :)
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Post by: Orca on December 07, 2017, 10:32:54 am
My DIVTRX holds Steinhoff. :wall:
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 07, 2017, 12:12:57 pm
Eish did anyone hold SNH stock? Amazing. EE not having stop losses is always a worry
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Post by: Patrick on December 07, 2017, 12:34:20 pm
In real life I seriously hope not, but look at the bottom of the leaderboard, all victims of Steinhoff. I'm 7th from last. Bought in when the share price first dropped and the rumours were supposed to be drivel. Guess it wasn't! Anyway, nothing to lose so I'm going all in!
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Post by: Hamster on December 07, 2017, 12:51:04 pm
My DIVTRX holds Steinhoff. :wall:

All 2% of it?
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Post by: JohnnyH on December 07, 2017, 01:13:50 pm
In other news, EOH is also on sale today. Down 18%!! I am so happy
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Post by: jaDEB on December 07, 2017, 01:55:24 pm
@ Patrick, also bought Steinhoff this morning in the IC.
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Post by: czc on December 07, 2017, 01:56:53 pm
Wow, posted by Keith McLachlan on twitter "Interesting historical fact: EOH comes from PG Bison's IT department ("spun out"). PG Bison is part of KAP, which is owned by Steinhoff."
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 07, 2017, 01:58:58 pm
Yoh, as if EOH wasn't looking troubled before already :/
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Post by: JohnnyH on December 07, 2017, 02:09:13 pm
Jis the market just hates anything to do with SNH ne? EOH @ R44. PE of ~5. Wow
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Post by: Moneypenny on December 08, 2017, 11:49:46 am
As Wiese said: “Its worse than a divorce, lost half and I still have the wife.”
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Post by: Patrick on December 08, 2017, 12:51:15 pm
So Shaun the sheep is out, at least there's some good news around.
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Post by: Wallace on December 08, 2017, 02:38:37 pm
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Post by: Wallace on December 08, 2017, 02:38:42 pm
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Post by: Snapcase on December 08, 2017, 03:10:04 pm
Speak up Wallace :)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 08, 2017, 03:27:53 pm
lol good one :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on December 08, 2017, 08:28:45 pm
I hope zuma gets his ass handed to him
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Post by: czc on December 11, 2017, 10:01:22 am
Sounds like what caused EOH to drop was two directors failing to meet margin calls on derivative positions.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 11, 2017, 10:07:12 am
Well they are up 30% today so far..
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Post by: Moonraker on December 11, 2017, 03:06:24 pm
Why NPN flat to down when Tencent was up 3% ?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 11, 2017, 04:01:18 pm
Maybe due to sentiment ... Observers are now generally worried that high levels of corruption in government and state-owned enterprises, are now manifesting themselves in the private sector given the revelations around KPMG, Naspers and now Steinhoff.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2017, 04:05:24 pm
Mr Bond, was wondering same. Maybe they can just give us Tencent shares for every NPN :) , I'm cool with that. Jiggy
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Post by: jaDEB on December 11, 2017, 04:06:31 pm
Unless the Nasdaq futures are down, another reason?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 11, 2017, 04:46:49 pm
Nasdaq up and Nasdaq futures up more than earlier.
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Post by: gcr on December 11, 2017, 06:19:25 pm
I see my BVT shares have a zero value  :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on December 12, 2017, 02:28:37 pm
Let's hope DZ wins in the elective conference. If so I think CR will not take that lying down and will form a new party. This will finish off the ANC in the 2019 elections ?
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Post by: jaDEB on December 12, 2017, 03:48:18 pm
We do not have till 2019 :'( I am afraid.
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Post by: Bread on December 12, 2017, 04:38:49 pm
Moonraker, why do you hope DZ will win? I thought business wanted CR to win.
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Post by: Bread on December 12, 2017, 04:40:30 pm
Bought NPN at 352899  8)
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Post by: Moonraker on December 12, 2017, 05:06:56 pm
@Bread
Simply because I am hoping that CR would then form his own party, i.e. split the ANC so that in 2019 there won't be an ANC as we know it running things.
If none of that happens, of course I prefer CR over DZ.
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Post by: George on December 12, 2017, 05:49:06 pm
i prefer CR to win. but if DZ wins it makes sense that the ANC will be underpressure for 2019 and that is a good thing becuase i dislike anybody who thinks only they are competent to lead. that attitude just sucks in my book.
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Post by: Orca on December 12, 2017, 07:31:18 pm
No doubt CR will win and he will chuck out the Zupta cronies. CR is wealthy and has no interest in enriching himself. This will be bad for the DA and EFF in 2019 and Dr Khosa's new party will not take off if CR wins.
I don't care who wins 2019 if CR is president as he will be the game changer. Thinking of my SA investments.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on December 13, 2017, 09:11:59 am
When is the election?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on December 13, 2017, 09:12:10 am
Like when do we know Zuma is in or out
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Post by: RayRay on December 13, 2017, 09:55:21 am
Maybe 20 December? http://www.anc.org.za/54th-national-conference/agenda
Are you referring to NDZ or JZ?
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Post by: Patrick on December 13, 2017, 10:16:44 am
Wow check out The Investor, zooming to the top of the leaderboard with just 4 transactions. Impressive timing, not sure I'd have balls for that much risk taking in real life.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 13, 2017, 10:42:34 am
PAtrick yUor GAme is BrOKEN. my shares shows 0 value
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Post by: Patrick on December 13, 2017, 11:33:08 am
i DoNt SeE ThAt? :) It sems bloomberg has been doing this a lot lately, always for very short periods. Next year I'm going to try a google finance based link.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 13, 2017, 12:05:26 pm
Cool see it is fixed, thanks
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Post by: jaDEB on December 13, 2017, 12:06:00 pm
Please tell Koos to sort Multi Choice, otherwise I am sending Frikkie there :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on December 13, 2017, 12:17:11 pm
Zuma proof stocks. I have them but also unfortunately Advtech

http://moneyweb-2.instantmagazine.com/investor/the-moneyweb-investor-issue-34#!/10-stocks-zuma-cant-break
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Post by: Orca on December 13, 2017, 06:34:38 pm
Of the 12 Computer Services stocks 9 are suspended and only 3 survive but with low PE ratios and downtrends. No reason for this except EOH.
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Post by: Hamster on December 14, 2017, 05:18:20 am
Zuma proof stocks. I have them but also unfortunately Advtech

http://moneyweb-2.instantmagazine.com/investor/the-moneyweb-investor-issue-34#!/10-stocks-zuma-cant-break
This basket could include the likes of:
Old Mutual
Woolworths
Netcare
Royal Bafokeng Platinum
Mediclinic
Italtile
British American Tobacco or Reinet
PPC
Pioneer Foods
Oceana
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Post by: Moonraker on December 14, 2017, 07:26:34 am
Oh, of those I have only BTI and MEI (Planning to sell MEI as I no longer believe hospital and pharmaceutical stocks have much potential. These companies are always under severe pressure by governments and medical aid societies to lower their prices. Human rights and populism. You can't win against government regulations.
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Post by: Hamster on December 14, 2017, 12:08:01 pm
Of those I have zero, zulch, nothing, nada en net mooi niks
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Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2017, 10:23:28 pm
Christo Wiese stepping down from Steinhoff, can anything save it now?
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Post by: gcr on December 14, 2017, 11:19:28 pm
WTF :'(
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Post by: Patrick on December 15, 2017, 08:44:03 am
I see he unloaded 98.5 million shares of steinhoff yesterday. Yes 98.5 MILLION. Amazingly I believe that's around only 10% of his holdings.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 15, 2017, 09:09:17 am
Surely the share should be suspended? That was one of the reasons I got out...and lost mucho dineiro.
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Post by: vencat on December 15, 2017, 10:06:41 am
was the sale of the shares not a forced sale by the lenders who held his shares as security?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 15, 2017, 10:24:08 am
was the sale of the shares not a forced sale by the lenders who held his shares as security?
Yes, those were shares lodged with banks as surety for financing the business. As a result voting pool drops to below 30% - breaks voting pool control over Steinhoff.
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Post by: Jay on December 17, 2017, 11:44:16 am
Thoughts for a long term hold?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on December 17, 2017, 04:53:53 pm
ABinbev, Shoprite, Discovery, Aspen, NPN.
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Post by: Hamster on December 17, 2017, 05:22:19 pm
Thoughts for a long term hold?
As an experiment I recently (like a week ago) bought this (even split 10 ways):

AVI   AVI Ltd.
BVT  Bidvest Group Ltd
CLS  Clicks Group Ltd
SHP  Shoprite Holdings Ltd
DSY  Discovery Ltd
NPN  Naspers Limited
CPI   Capitec Bank Holdings Limited
KIO   Kumba Iron Ore Ltd.
RES  Resilient REIT Limited
SRE  Sirius Real Estate Ltd

So far NPN has lost me money :p
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Post by: gcr on December 18, 2017, 09:18:11 am
Thoughts for a long term hold?
As an experiment I recently (like a week ago) bought this (even split 10 ways):

AVI   AVI Ltd.
BVT  Bidvest Group Ltd
CLS  Clicks Group Ltd
SHP  Shoprite Holdings Ltd
DSY  Discovery Ltd
NPN  Naspers Limited
CPI   Capitec Bank Holdings Limited
KIO   Kumba Iron Ore Ltd.
RES  Resilient REIT Limited
SRE  Sirius Real Estate Ltd

So far NPN has lost me money :p
Interesting choices - I hold 4 on your list of which 3 are showing profits of + R 240,000 and the 4th R 68,000 but then I have had it in my portfolio for a much shorter time than the others.
Also look at Cashbuild it too is giving me a paper profit of over 1/4 million Rand
I see in early trading Capitec took a big smack this morning but seems to have recovered a bit
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2017, 07:49:55 am
One more week for the competition!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 19, 2017, 10:24:26 am
Wow, Discovery has been hauling the past few days
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2017, 11:48:52 am
Note, half of top six are NDZ aligned and two of those are linked to state capture. CR has a problem.
Once that sinks in Rand will weaken again.
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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2017, 12:37:28 pm
The top 6 had to be chosen from both factions so as to not split the ANC. They can now reconcile.
It is inevitable that the rand will weaken as traders book profits in the short term.
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Post by: Patrick on December 19, 2017, 12:38:25 pm
DIVTRX really seems to be liking Cyril!
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2017, 12:58:05 pm
Orca, CR is going to have a hard time. http://www.sharenet.co.za/views/From-The-Dealing-Desk-191217/22956934f395ab85403706d299f65cfc?from=2
Reconciliation? I think they will thwart him at every turn.
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Post by: Bread on December 19, 2017, 03:42:49 pm
I agree, Moonraker. And things like Radical Economic Transformation are still very high on the NEC's agenda.
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Post by: Moonraker on December 19, 2017, 04:12:39 pm
Read and weep ..
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2017-12-19-trainspotter-how-the-anc-managed-to-birth-the-ramabuza-monstrosity/
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 20, 2017, 11:37:25 am
There goes SNH again..
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Post by: Hamster on December 20, 2017, 11:51:46 am
which way?
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Post by: Moonraker on December 20, 2017, 12:05:05 pm
Priced for bankruptcy now mate.

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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 22, 2017, 09:53:36 am
crypto sale
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Post by: Patrick on December 22, 2017, 12:31:06 pm
Did the market close early today? I planned to buy on my TFSA but I saw this on ABSA: The JSE is open between 09:00 and 12:00 weekdays (GMT+2)
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Post by: gcr on December 22, 2017, 04:15:13 pm
Yes it did and it will close again early 29th December 2017
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Post by: Patrick on December 27, 2017, 08:11:42 am
Competition is closed, results are here: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_rankings.php?year=2017
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Post by: Maurice on December 27, 2017, 10:14:01 am
Well done Snapper! KIO is a winner
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Post by: Orca on December 27, 2017, 07:41:37 pm
No doubt the zar will go sub 12 to the USD soon. CR has not yet flexed his muscles but foreign money seems to love him. Profit taking will happen but when CR gets rid of Zuma it will be a whole new ball game for the zar to it's favour. Next resistant level is at 11.80.
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Post by: gcr on December 29, 2017, 09:23:48 am
Quick questions to forumites - around TFSA's
# Is the investment period a calendar year or a tax year
# If you didn't invest in one year can you top up for that year and still invest for the new year
# If you didn't use your full allocation of R 30,000 in one year can you top up that particular year in a subsequent year

Obliged if people would comment/respond
Thanks
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Post by: czc on December 29, 2017, 09:41:27 am
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Post by: czc on December 29, 2017, 09:42:05 am
1. Tax Year (1 March - 28 Feb) 2. No 3. No and the new figure is R33 000
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Post by: gcr on December 29, 2017, 09:55:37 am
1. Tax Year (1 March - 28 Feb) 2. No 3. No and the new figure is R33 000
Thanks
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Post by: Samurai on December 29, 2017, 11:08:23 am
So seems like Capitec is going to break R1100 soon
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Post by: Hamster on January 02, 2018, 06:59:33 am
YERS!!!! No 1 in the challenge! I might be the only one, but no 1 nonetheless!!!
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2018, 12:22:37 pm
The new challenge has begun, check here for last years results: http://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/com_rankings.php?year=2017
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Post by: Snapcase on January 02, 2018, 03:31:57 pm
That seems to be showing this year @Patrick
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 02, 2018, 07:51:02 pm
So who won?
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2018, 09:05:19 pm
Thanks for that Snapcase, I missed one file update. The link should work now. Snapper was the winner with Tremaine and OnePowerfulCorsa in second and third, well done all.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 03, 2018, 08:42:55 am
We won :P
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Post by: JAPalmer on January 03, 2018, 10:10:16 am
15th, will have to get my investing cap on this year :D
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Post by: Nivek on January 03, 2018, 11:53:36 am
This year I might actually look at a few charts and financial documents!
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Post by: Snapcase on January 03, 2018, 12:39:06 pm
A real gamble would be to put it all into Steinhoff in the hope it can resurrect itself somehow.  If it manages even a little bit, you're golden.
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Post by: Snapcase on January 03, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
Oh never mind, I see Tajiri's already started that.  lol
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 03, 2018, 01:52:32 pm
Be sure to join our group - the winning bunch :P
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Post by: Hamster on January 03, 2018, 01:58:33 pm
Be sure to join our group - the winning bunch :P
But if everybody joins we'll be average :(
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 03, 2018, 02:04:27 pm
oh my lord someone smited me.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 04, 2018, 09:28:46 am
oh my, what did you do?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 04, 2018, 10:28:55 am
Anybody got the best/worst share list for 2017?
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Post by: Hamster on January 04, 2018, 11:07:38 am
Anybody got the best/worst share list for 2017?
I've got the shortened one:

Winner: Naspers
Loser: Steinhoff

:p
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Post by: gcr on January 04, 2018, 03:21:16 pm
I had a look at the leaderboard and have a question of Patrick - the best performer on the board when I looked was Ashburton Inflation ETF (ASHINF) however these units were purchased at 8:23:52 on 2018 - 01 - 02. The market doesn't open to the public until 9:00:00 and only the auction is open and that is exclusively to brokers and opens 10 minutes before public opening. So how was it possible that the holdings were acquired prior to even the auction period, and, further, what price was inserted against the purchase of these units - was it close of business 2017 - 12 -31, or was it based on some or other factor
Please clarify >:D
Thanks
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 04, 2018, 03:22:06 pm
Saw that too
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2018, 03:46:32 pm
It's easy, my cron job for adjusting pending orders into actual orders doesn't kick in until 9am, that's the price they should have been given :)
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Post by: gcr on January 04, 2018, 03:58:04 pm
Still don't follow the logic, also given that you use 1/2 hour delayed prices - so should have showed as booked 09:00:01
Are you a robot :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2018, 04:22:47 pm
I can explain it in robot :)


Highly dodgy code was here  :wtf:



 :D :D :D

Basically after 9:30 update any orders made since 5pm last night with live prices. This fixes overnight orders and also updates daytime orders with actual live pricing, so nobody can cheat using their actual brokerage account. Sadly I didn't have the date updating, there's always a bug somewhere! I'm sure all the php experts are going to chime in and tell me how I'm using old SQL and that my code looks like a dogs breakfast, but hey, it gets the job done!
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Post by: Orca on January 04, 2018, 05:36:19 pm
Thanks for the explanation. Looks easy to follow. Yes. Sigh.  ???
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Post by: gcr on January 04, 2018, 06:43:16 pm
Thanks for the "dogs breakfast" explanation - too many years ago that I dabbled in SQL to check your coding - so accept that your intent is still honourable.
Your "system" is still malleable in the sense that I can see on my live prices that a certain share has increased in value over your 15 min delay prices and can then buy on your system and as such get the benefit of the "delay" between pricing - I am sure I could do the converse with price falls - but then I would in essence be trading rather than investing - which to my understanding is what the competition is all about
Maybe consider restricting frequent buyers/sellers to remove the trading aspect from the competition - just a thought 
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Post by: Hamster on January 04, 2018, 08:54:57 pm
You are a brave man posting site code with db statements constructed using simple concatenation.

1=1; drop ... and all that.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 04, 2018, 11:18:26 pm
My paranoid senses went haywire.

Exploits everywhere
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Post by: Patrick on January 05, 2018, 09:55:24 am
Lol, I know, I know. One day when I don't have a day job I'll rewrite it fully. Post will now vanish :)
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Post by: gcr on January 05, 2018, 10:03:32 am
Lol, I know, I know. One day when I don't have a day job I'll rewrite it fully. Post will now vanish :)
Shouldn't - use it as a frame of reference when you rewrite O:-)
Title: Live chat
Post by: Snapcase on January 05, 2018, 03:31:48 pm
haha, too many developers on here
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Post by: Bread on January 06, 2018, 06:36:48 am
Your "system" is still malleable in the sense that I can see on my live prices that a certain share has increased in value over your 15 min delay prices and can then buy on your system and as such get the benefit of the "delay" between pricing - I am sure I could do the converse with price falls - but then I would in essence be trading rather than investing - which to my understanding is what the competition is all about
Maybe consider restricting frequent buyers/sellers to remove the trading aspect from the competition - just a thought
I was also under the impression we wouldn't be able to conduct ourselves as traders but as chairmen of investment clubs. When I ran our office competition I had rules to exclude traders.
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Post by: Patrick on January 06, 2018, 08:39:21 am
The live pricing advantage is killed off by the pending delay. You might think you can see the future using your using account, but then your price is adjusted to the actual live price when you purchased.
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Post by: Patrick on January 06, 2018, 08:39:58 am
if you'd like to see it in action take note of the live price on your next purchase here.
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Post by: Johnie on January 08, 2018, 10:10:17 am
leaderboard
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Post by: Patrick on January 08, 2018, 11:11:45 am
I had to change my security question, too many bots getting through. What do you think of: When something is really nice, in afrikaans we say "Dis baie l****r"
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Post by: Hamster on January 08, 2018, 08:05:04 pm
Nah, multiple questions and you give a random one when he signs up.

I would load that question and its key via an Ajax request and generate it client side plus a honeypot. So you'll end up with:

input 1, hidden, name="questions"
label, question text
input 2, name="answer"
input 3, hidden, name="telephone"

Reason:
1. It is generated client side so bots must support JavaScript
2. Random question so difficult to specifically target you
3. If that honeypot (telephone) comes back with a value you know a bot entered it

...or just use Google CAPTCHA
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Post by: jaDEB on January 09, 2018, 07:21:01 am
TSLA up 5% :)
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Post by: mutengesi on January 09, 2018, 09:51:43 am
My value is down 3%
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Post by: mutengesi on January 09, 2018, 09:52:33 am
But all shares I bought are up by between 0.1 and 1.5%
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Post by: mutengesi on January 09, 2018, 09:53:17 am
Is there a rule IAM missing
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Post by: Patrick on January 09, 2018, 11:51:35 am
Looks like it was a calculation bug. Should be fixed now.
Title: Re: Live chat
Post by: Patrick on January 09, 2018, 11:53:44 am
Nah, multiple questions and you give a random one when he signs up.

I would load that question and its key via an Ajax request and generate it client side plus a honeypot. So you'll end up with:

input 1, hidden, name="questions"
label, question text
input 2, name="answer"
input 3, hidden, name="telephone"

Reason:
1. It is generated client side so bots must support JavaScript
2. Random question so difficult to specifically target you
3. If that honeypot (telephone) comes back with a value you know a bot entered it

...or just use Google CAPTCHA
Great ideas, you're a smart rodent :)
Title: Live chat
Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 09, 2018, 12:28:28 pm
JSE discord group for those using discord - https://discord.gg/R5g44Pq
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Post by: Bread on January 09, 2018, 01:25:01 pm
As at 13:23 of today the 9th Shifty is 1st without having bought or sold anything. I wonder what his secret is.
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Post by: shifty on January 09, 2018, 02:27:45 pm
As at 13:23 of today the 9th Shifty is 1st without having bought or sold anything. I wonder what his secret is.
lol...you have to wait 2 weeks to see my secrets...
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Post by: czc on January 09, 2018, 10:02:29 pm
JSE discord group for those using discord - https://discord.gg/R5g44Pq

Will check it out.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 09, 2018, 10:30:08 pm
 Sweet stuff
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 10, 2018, 12:05:12 pm
Go long 4 life gp
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 10, 2018, 12:05:13 pm
Go long 4 life gp
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 10, 2018, 12:05:22 pm
go*
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Post by: Moonraker on January 10, 2018, 04:31:05 pm
All the REITS in the  Resilient stable are down sharply. Wonder why ?
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Post by: Hamster on January 11, 2018, 09:49:20 am
RES is dropping badly :'(
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Post by: Moonraker on January 11, 2018, 10:05:37 am
Shit. It's Viceroy that's got these stocks in their sights. Speculation.
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Post by: Maurice on January 11, 2018, 10:25:54 am
Is there any other speculation on RES besides Viceroy.?
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Post by: Maurice on January 11, 2018, 11:32:09 am
RES has issued a SENS notice saying profits will be up 13% this has helped. Let's see!
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Post by: Hamster on January 11, 2018, 12:10:25 pm
I'd say so. Look at that rebound! ...for the week anyway
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Post by: Moonraker on January 11, 2018, 01:09:30 pm
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/2018-01-11-reits-panic-as-viceroy-threatens-report-on-south-african-name/
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Post by: gcr on January 11, 2018, 02:49:43 pm
Interesting sens notification. There interim period results are as per 31/12/2017 and its on the board by 11/1/2018 which is unusually early. The sens covers the usual statements that these results have not been reviewed or reported on by their auditors - but their interim results will be finalized and published on or about 8/2/2018.
I sincerely hope these directors have not just brought numbers to the market as a means of pacifying investors and that when they do publish the results they equate very closely to their sens "voluntary" trading statement. What the relevance of a voluntary trading is, is beyond me as in terms of the JSE listing rules they have to issue statements via sens on interim and final results and voluntary doesn't come into play at all.
To me they are keeping their heads just below the parapets in case there is some mud around
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 11, 2018, 09:05:56 pm
Long 4 Life please go long! I want returns
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Post by: gcr on January 12, 2018, 09:07:26 am
Interesting article on Moneyweb "Coming to terms with the SATRIX DIVI" for those who are interested ad invested
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Post by: gcr on January 15, 2018, 05:29:58 pm
Am I right in saying the reason no position change or portfolio value update is because Martin Luther King day in USA
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Post by: George on January 15, 2018, 08:20:37 pm
Is there ETF`S that replicate the US indexes?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 15, 2018, 09:07:59 pm
Yes, SYGUS and SYG500
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 16, 2018, 12:29:02 am
JSE AlSI Technical Analysis https://platinumwealth.co.za/insights/daily-analysis/alsi-daily-analysis/
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Post by: jaDEB on January 16, 2018, 04:32:53 pm
Zzzz
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 16, 2018, 05:02:09 pm
Wake up buddy
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Post by: Bread on January 16, 2018, 05:29:32 pm
Getting sleepy up there at no.4 jaDEB?

Maybe you should catch a wake up and switch to SBK lol  :TU:
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Post by: George on January 16, 2018, 09:34:08 pm
recomendation plz. i want to access a jse share charting platform/. it must have indicators. and live prices not delayed.. thanks  
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2018, 08:39:21 am
@ Bread, :). I am waiting for Patrick to include BTC in comp
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2018, 09:16:56 am
Haha, that might actually be fun. Where could I pull the actual price from?
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2018, 11:44:08 am
@mp, has your thread vanished already? Let me know if an email would be useful.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 17, 2018, 11:54:17 am
Hi P, if you've already done it, I'll appreciate it - if not done yet, I'll survive. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 17, 2018, 02:30:35 pm
@ P, I use Luno. Soon it will be a high bridge
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Post by: Patrick on January 17, 2018, 06:39:16 pm
Sorry jaDEB, I feel for the guys who got in near the peak
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Post by: Orca on January 17, 2018, 10:02:56 pm
Oh my goodness. You guys are living in a Turd World country. Not Shithole at all.  :LHST:
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 18, 2018, 08:55:27 am
Bwhaaa! ...that's funny!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 18, 2018, 09:56:48 am
ADI on a surge!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 18, 2018, 11:03:48 am
Haha, that might actually be fun. Where could I pull the actual price from?

Here you go - https://coindata.co.za/api.php
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Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2018, 03:45:01 pm
@jaDEB Bitcoin is there as a test for the year, it's listed under Crypto: 0.01 Bitcoins. Thanks for the help Thor.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 03:48:10 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 04:12:27 pm
aM i In thE leAD yET ?
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Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2018, 04:18:37 pm
Slightly down at the moment :) You'll either win or come last with bitcoin! If a bitcoin trader wins at he end of the year I may need to have a regular leaderboard for those who didn't use bitcoins.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 04:47:04 pm
whAT IS GOING on with CCO? down 5%
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 05:43:17 pm
lol JSE overall up high % wtf...who works there
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 05:54:25 pm
This I suppose ? CAPREG 11111111
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Post by: jaDEB on January 18, 2018, 05:55:07 pm
JSE Overall  17:10 ######### 72.21%
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2018, 07:55:21 am
I see you're at #2 jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2018, 10:41:39 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2018, 10:44:39 am
Your Disclaimer is nogal rof, scared the crap out of me.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2018, 10:46:40 am
:"(
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2018, 10:48:38 am
It's not aimed at you, it'll appear on anyone who does anything with BTC in the comp. Now that you're at #1 I imagine a lot of people will be thinking about it, and potentially thinking about buying in real life. The volatility could wipe people out.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2018, 10:54:25 am
Are you refering to the people that did research and looked at graphs and then bought Steinhoff @ R80
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2018, 10:57:35 am
Yes, exactly those :))
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Post by: jaDEB on January 19, 2018, 02:17:25 pm
I will not mind if u feel that it might be problimatic, and remove it. It does make life bit more interesting
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2018, 03:01:09 pm
It'll stay for the year, I think the volatility and potential total collapse could be real learning opportunities.
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Post by: Orca on January 19, 2018, 05:56:00 pm
Problem is that doing well with 50/50 gamble does not make one an astute investor. Winning will not even give you bragging rights.
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Post by: Patrick on January 19, 2018, 07:07:58 pm
Agreed, but the leaders at the moment we those who bought steinhoff this year. Also a massive risk.
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Post by: Hamster on January 19, 2018, 10:07:09 pm
Agreed, but the leaders at the moment we those who bought steinhoff this year. Also a massive risk.
Not even close to the same level of risk
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Post by: gcr on January 20, 2018, 07:30:21 pm
Agreed, but the leaders at the moment we those who bought steinhoff this year. Also a massive risk.
Ah - but that's been my contention since the challenge was introduced - the "game" is one of chance and picking a lottery share. To get around this it may be prudent that if a challenger sells out of a share in the same year as purchase then the transaction is subject to CGT and any other taxes that a trader would be subjected to, via SARS
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2018, 11:08:34 pm
Taxes are there, set at 30% on overall sales profit.
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Post by: Nivek on January 21, 2018, 08:06:07 am
Anyone else expecting good things for the Rand on Monday? Where will it open? Maybe under R12?
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Post by: Orca on January 22, 2018, 10:07:56 am
ZAR opened up 11c lower than previous close so it might at some stage want to close it again. Sub 12 is inevitable though.
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Post by: Nivek on January 22, 2018, 12:54:34 pm
R12.04, it's nearly there!
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Post by: Hamster on January 22, 2018, 01:53:08 pm
RES :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 22, 2018, 03:54:07 pm
BTC :'(
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Post by: Bread on January 22, 2018, 04:43:12 pm
 :D
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Post by: Hamster on January 23, 2018, 07:13:38 am
https://coreshares.co.za/products/coreshares-global-dividend/
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Post by: BussoV6 on January 23, 2018, 08:56:28 am
https://coreshares.co.za/products/coreshares-global-dividend/

TER 0.6 - 0.7%    :(
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2018, 09:13:29 am
Index yields 4.25%, will be reduced by the TER. Returns last year were good, but lower than market average, long term it hasn't done that well: http://us.spindices.com/indices/strategy/sp-global-dividend-aristocrats
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Post by: Hamster on January 23, 2018, 02:13:32 pm
And if we remove 2008 from its performance?
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Post by: Hamster on January 23, 2018, 02:20:34 pm
Total returns %
2008: (53.77)
2009: 45.16
2010: 20.51
2011: (1.72)
2012: 13.64
2013: 18.26
2014: 4.55
2015: (8.26)
2016: 13.21
2017: 18.86

3 years (including 2008) of negative performance. Also have to factor in the exchange rate but potentially it could yield rather high results.
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2018, 04:04:50 pm
Yeah, I like the fact that it's quite well diversified, so likely safer than DIVTRX, it also has a higher yield. I also see the dividends must increase for 10 years to qualify, so likely solid companies. I'd consider it in my TFSA except that there's no way to recover foreign taxes paid in a TFSA :(
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Post by: Hamster on January 23, 2018, 07:36:42 pm
True. Saw the effect of that again when SYGWD paid out. R180 worth of dividends, R60 in deductions. 33%

Granted, small numbers, but if I was focused on dividends and that happened - ouch.
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Post by: Bread on January 24, 2018, 06:19:16 am
Over R2.3 billion changed hands in Naspers yesterday in what appears to be 1 deal.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2018, 07:26:06 am
Was'nt me - I did however sold some CFR @ bought more NPN
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Post by: Bread on January 24, 2018, 09:19:50 am
Was'nt me - I did however sold some CFR @ bought more NPN

 :D
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2018, 12:26:30 pm
There we go, under 12 to $1!
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Post by: Orca on January 24, 2018, 09:39:50 pm
So 11.87 is getting close to my 11.77 call. And this is due to the USD declining and not SA politics (today). Zuma's exit is not factored in as much so should he exit we would see sub 11.
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Post by: Nivek on January 26, 2018, 11:21:28 am
Anyone else see Cyril on CNN last night? He sounds like he means business.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 26, 2018, 11:49:23 am
All politics
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 26, 2018, 11:49:44 am
If he meant business, Zuma and Co would have been in jail.
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Post by: Orca on January 26, 2018, 12:58:06 pm
CR has no authority to send Zuma or anyone to jail. He has achieved so much in 1 month however. He kick started a process that may take years to resolve.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 26, 2018, 02:17:31 pm
I don't trust any politician so to me this is all a show : )
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Post by: gcr on January 26, 2018, 06:34:59 pm
I don't trust any politician so to me this is all a show : )
+1
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 29, 2018, 09:59:33 am
I transferred bucks to USD to buy stocks when it was 13.5....sigh, all my gains wiped out now that it's at 12.00. Anyway, I started it for long term holdings
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Post by: Patrick on January 29, 2018, 10:59:29 am
I transferred at R14.50! If you invested straight away you'd have been fine though, the world market beat the SA market significantly over the last few years, so I come out almost the same whether I transferred then or now. As it's impossible to time the market I'll settle for that. I always say it's never a bad time to do the right thing, and diversifying globally was the right thing to me.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 29, 2018, 01:30:04 pm
Yeah I don't regret it, I needed to diversify globally. I thought if I'm holding long term then I'm not gonna sit for months waiting to time it!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 29, 2018, 04:23:48 pm
Anyone know what happened to Discovery today? Down 6% out of nowhere
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Post by: jaDEB on January 29, 2018, 04:44:30 pm
I did @ R12.95, but will do some more in March. How is that NFLX shares, I have it on my list for March :'(
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Post by: Hamster on January 29, 2018, 05:43:05 pm
Anyone know what happened to Discovery today? Down 6% out of nowhere
Everything went down. I reckon it was because of Moody's note of concern on the Cape water crisis. At about the same time the Rand was trading at about R12K to the USD.

Just a guess. CPI was down about 10% at one stage.
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Post by: Nivek on January 30, 2018, 07:42:02 am
At about the same time the Rand was trading at about R12K to the USD.
R12K to the USD, did they make Zuma president for life  :LHST: :LHST:
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Post by: Hamster on January 30, 2018, 09:09:46 am
At about the same time the Rand was trading at about R12K to the USD.
R12K to the USD, did they make Zuma president for life  :LHST: :LHST:

 :-[

 :wall:
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Post by: Hamster on January 30, 2018, 10:14:26 am
So... Capitec... this is not gonna end well. Viceroy report.
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Post by: Hamster on January 30, 2018, 10:18:06 am
Or maybe it will. Storm in a teacup?
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 30, 2018, 11:22:28 am
I did @ R12.95, but will do some more in March. How is that NFLX shares, I have it on my list for March :'(

Holyyyy cow!! Amazon been strong, can only imagine another jump when they announce quarterly results this week
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 30, 2018, 01:51:51 pm
Wait a bit, Viceroy was founded by a short-seller Fraser P-something, who partnered with 2 youngsters from down under and they are now Viceroy Research?
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Post by: gcr on January 30, 2018, 03:17:17 pm
Wait a bit, Viceroy was founded by a short-seller Fraser P-something, who partnered with 2 youngsters from down under and they are now Viceroy Research?
Articles in Business Day and Moneyweb today about Viceroys new target - Capitec Bank - which I suppose will have a knock on effect on PSG and maybe even Curro.
Seems like this crowd is a bit of a hatched job as they are short traders. I believe some or other company will target them and regret they put pen to paper
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Post by: gcr on January 30, 2018, 03:20:29 pm
Patrick - I notice that there are only 191 participants in this years competition any reasons for the drop off of participants?
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Post by: Patrick on January 30, 2018, 04:24:42 pm
No idea actually, but if I remember right last year was similar at the end of Jan, people joined during the year. I'd like more players obviously, just not sure how to get them onboard. There are nearly 3000 forum members, but most aren't active, I assume they registered to be able to download attachments or something.
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Post by: Bread on January 31, 2018, 08:05:25 am
Maybe if you changed the rules to exclude traders and speculators more people will join.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 31, 2018, 09:34:27 am
I think people (and by that, I mean mostly men) don’t like to lose and specially not in public.  With investing/trading you will lose somewhere, somehow.  The trick is to learn from it and keep going, who cares anyway, it’s a personal journey and nobody is right all the time. That’s way people wait to enter, they first need to see somebody else is down by twenty-something percent and then go in.  Boggles my mind. :)
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Post by: gcr on January 31, 2018, 12:41:38 pm
I think people (and by that, I mean mostly men) don’t like to lose and specially not in public.  With investing/trading you will lose somewhere, somehow.  The trick is to learn from it and keep going, who cares anyway, it’s a personal journey and nobody is right all the time. That’s way people wait to enter, they first need to see somebody else is down by twenty-something percent and then go in.  Boggles my mind. :)
I think your comments are accurate as regards traders as some 95% are never successful. However when investing this is a different kettle of fish. If you invest for the long terms then you need to invest in solid companies that you feel will enhance your wealth over time. This type of investing is not like taking a lottery ticket, and hoping to win a bundle, but rather participate with the companies as they grow. Many companies have some form of cyclic progression and also suffer from pull backs from time to time but these are normally company generated - Woolworth's is a prime example of 2 events which have occurred and I still hold my stock - in the early 2000's they got their clothing merchandise wrong and it hurt their share price dramatically, and the most recent is the Davy Jones fiasco - however I am comfortable to hold and add in this share.
To my mind there is a more sinister matter which I don't know how you wash out of the system and that is irresponsible journalistic (in its widest  sense) reporting and everyone sees the future in the tea leaves.
As to people waiting to see who is on the bottom of the board - I don't buy that as the competition awards you R 100,000 per month and you can quite comfortably sit on the sidelines whilst being in cash awaiting the option to buy.
I have long held the view that this is a traders competition and not an investors competition - you are not penalised for trading other than through the buy/sell charges - my view is that maybe it needs to be split into a trading completion and a further one for investors which will cover a 3 year window period
So just my opinions on the set up   
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Post by: gcr on January 31, 2018, 12:43:42 pm
Orca - you must be feeling a bit happier these days as Adapt IT are starting to show an improved share price and their results weren't too shabby either :TU:
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 31, 2018, 02:41:11 pm
Its true gcr, traders trade on market trend and psychology whereas investors invest on value.  Traders go for high risk, high reward in the shortest period of time whereas investors prefer relatively lower risk in quality stocks over a long period of time.  Both have merit and both requires research, savvy and skill imo.  That’s why I find “The Challenge” invaluable. It’s trading/investing with training-wheels-on in a safe but real-life environment where you can test your own strategies, even if it means hanging out in the same pond with others who trade and/or invest. Oh, and did I mention it is free. Market makers give you two free weeks with virtual money and then you have to go live with real money and real risk.  To split it would be a nightmare I think, investing for 3-5 yrs is medium term investing, and if you really want to trade you’ll have to bring in geared options as well, talk about horrifying nightmare. Think it’s just a question of practically to be honest and I also think it serves its original purpose, (training/learning) with other like-minded individuals, with flying colors.  But you are right, trading will always win the battle in short term money making.  Come on gcr, come over to the dark side and trade with us, even if its only here on “The Challenge”.   Never too young to learn, never too old to change.  ;)
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 31, 2018, 03:05:46 pm
Orca - you must be feeling a bit happier these days as Adapt IT are starting to show an improved share price and their results weren't too shabby either :TU:

That turnaround has been quite something in such a short time, I was so tempted to sell, glad I didn't. But what bothers me is I have little idea why it went so low in the first place...
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Post by: Patrick on January 31, 2018, 03:14:45 pm
@GCR, trading profits are taxed at 30% as an incentive to the investors.
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Post by: Patrick on January 31, 2018, 03:34:07 pm
Edit: Now showing tax in the holdings page.
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Post by: gcr on January 31, 2018, 04:02:18 pm
Edit: Now showing tax in the holdings page.
Then the next question is if a forum person sells the bought share within the competition period is the Rand value of their holdings reduced at time of sale. I,e, they are assessed for MST, brokerage and other taxes + CGT on sale?
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Post by: gcr on January 31, 2018, 04:12:49 pm
Its true gcr, traders trade on market trend and psychology whereas investors invest on value.  Traders go for high risk, high reward in the shortest period of time whereas investors prefer relatively lower risk in quality stocks over a long period of time.  Both have merit and both requires research, savvy and skill imo.  That’s why I find “The Challenge” invaluable. It’s trading/investing with training-wheels-on in a safe but real-life environment where you can test your own strategies, even if it means hanging out in the same pond with others who trade and/or invest. Oh, and did I mention it is free. Market makers give you two free weeks with virtual money and then you have to go live with real money and real risk.  To split it would be a nightmare I think, investing for 3-5 yrs is medium term investing, and if you really want to trade you’ll have to bring in geared options as well, talk about horrifying nightmare. Think it’s just a question of practically to be honest and I also think it serves its original purpose, (training/learning) with other like-minded individuals, with flying colors.  But you are right, trading will always win the battle in short term money making.  Come on gcr, come over to the dark side and trade with us, even if its only here on “The Challenge”.   Never too young to learn, never too old to change.  ;)
Miss Moneypenny - I don't trade (though I tried it years ago) went to all the lectures and seminars and decided that if I wanted to blow money then I would play the horses and or slot machines. So this competition will only be used to test the water on shares I am interested in buying down the road and only has a slight resemblance to my real share portfolio - though both the counters I have in the competition I already hold in my own portfolio
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Post by: Orca on January 31, 2018, 08:41:31 pm
Yes, I am glad I held onto ADI. Made 52% over the past month. She merely went out of favour even though the fundamentals were great. The best performer over the past 2 weeks.
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Post by: WealthSmith_1 on February 01, 2018, 11:34:09 am
Is it possible to have an option to search the share code/name?
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Post by: Hamster on February 01, 2018, 11:52:30 am
Is it possible to have an option to search the share code/name?

CTRL+F on the buy page?
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Post by: Hamster on February 01, 2018, 12:22:27 pm
RES keeps on tanking. Even after Capitec was fingered by Viceroy and it's pretty clear it's not RES :/
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 01, 2018, 02:46:27 pm
where there is smoke... They and Aspen, too funny for me when Viceroy alluded to other companies they were the ones to tank....
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Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2018, 03:25:23 pm
Can some1 smite me please.
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Post by: Bread on February 01, 2018, 03:41:27 pm
 :D
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 01, 2018, 03:49:20 pm
I don't have any problems with the comp - all fun. But I wonder if a rule that you could not invest more than 20/25% total worth in in one counter might help?
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Post by: Nivek on February 01, 2018, 04:11:01 pm
I think bitcoin already smited you jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on February 01, 2018, 04:13:01 pm
1 can only dream and try :'(
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Post by: Patrick on February 01, 2018, 04:26:16 pm
Sucks jaDEB. Are you hodling regardless or do you have some kind of stop loss plan in mind? I can't remember when you got in?
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Post by: Bread on February 01, 2018, 05:31:43 pm
I think bitcoin already smited you jaDEB
:D
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Post by: Hamster on February 01, 2018, 05:49:30 pm
I don't have any problems with the comp - all fun. But I wonder if a rule that you could not invest more than 20/25% total worth in in one counter might help?
Rather just display anybody that held any form of cryptocurrencies' name in yellow or something.
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Post by: Orca on February 01, 2018, 09:01:48 pm
Dam. Zar not reached my prediction of 11.77 yet. How dare this currency embarrass me but it got close and will eventually get there only to be stuck at that value until Zuma gets kicked off and we will see a different ball game. Sub 11 to 10.7 will follow but I have proven myself wrong many times but currency is my livelihood at this stage so I hope it goes my way.
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Post by: Hamster on February 01, 2018, 09:27:09 pm
So can somebody explain why everything is so red today. What happened or what are we bracing for?
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 01, 2018, 10:44:54 pm
The mysteries of life
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 02, 2018, 08:28:55 am
Yes I can tell you why… we had a super moon (perigee), blue moon, blood moon and total lunar eclipse all in one day.  😉
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Post by: gcr on February 02, 2018, 12:31:27 pm
Yes I can tell you why… we had a super moon (perigee), blue moon, blood moon and total lunar eclipse all in one day.  😉
Well today there is no blood moon around but only 2 of my shareholdings (of 22) are showing the effects of the moon today seems like a real red Friday
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Post by: czc on February 02, 2018, 06:07:19 pm
Um Patrick some weird error on the main page: Warning: session_start(): open(/var/lib/php5/sess_5knh03sspf7k1rnmkn3cce59g6, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) in /var/zpanel/hostdata/zadmin/public_html/shareforum/competition/wp-content/plugins/adsense-extreme/adsensextremeopt.php on line 349
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2018, 08:06:34 pm
thanks, will check it out
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2018, 10:41:55 pm
Are you still seeing it czc? I haven't been able to find a fault. maybe it was a temporary problem.
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Post by: czc on February 03, 2018, 11:05:13 am
Its gone.
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Post by: Sunny on February 05, 2018, 08:19:18 am
Isa
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Post by: Patrick on February 05, 2018, 11:25:47 am
I thought I got a good deal with my monthly purchase on Friday, but today all I see is red!
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Post by: George on February 05, 2018, 01:52:27 pm
WHL looking to be going lower. Buy opportunity later?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2018, 04:25:07 pm
ok, this is not fun anymore :'(
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Post by: Hamster on February 05, 2018, 07:40:52 pm
ok, this is not fun anymore :'(
Yeah.... I'm going numb.
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Post by: gcr on February 05, 2018, 08:57:48 pm
Well the Alsi seems to the refrain Waltzing Matilda - on 25/1/2018 it got to an all time high of 61684.77 and today the closing index value was 57113.74 - a significant drop over a very short period of time
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 05, 2018, 10:57:24 pm
Trump Tax Cuts, cutting in.
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Post by: Patrick on February 06, 2018, 07:18:40 am
Looks like another plummet today.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2018, 07:44:30 am
Keep calm call Batman :'( - Tencent down 6%
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 09:09:07 am
T40 now -3.64% -1762 points
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Post by: gcr on February 06, 2018, 09:15:27 am
Yup and my portfolio down R 157,000  :'(
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Post by: Nivek on February 06, 2018, 09:28:09 am
* CALLS BATMAN *
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 09:29:05 am
Up now: Drd +5.65%, Harmony +5.23% Supergr +4.20% NuWorld +3.394%.  Down Now: Snh -9.76%, Sacoil -8.54%, Invest -8.17% Disc -6.72%, Fortr -5.98%
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on February 06, 2018, 09:39:21 am
Good grief...Dow Jones took a solid kick in the nuts after some body blows last week...everything solidly in the red! JSE being dragged, cryptos collapsing...fun times!
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 11:19:13 am
Nasdaq and S&P futures in green about an hour ago
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Post by: jaDEB on February 06, 2018, 11:30:11 am
:)
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 02:44:33 pm
Back red again but barely
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Post by: Patrick on February 06, 2018, 04:32:16 pm
Phew what a few days it's been. I'm nearly down a years after tax salary and it hasn't even been a week!
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 05:15:30 pm
US trading all green atm, looks like the worst is over for now.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 06, 2018, 05:20:28 pm
Phew what a few days it's been. I'm nearly down a years after tax salary and it hasn't even been a week!

That only means one thing to me - You're big into investing and that is all guuud.  Do you know how you know you've made it?  It when you lose billions in a day, so keep going, you're not done yet.
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Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2018, 07:34:11 am
Yes, just to be clear, and hopefully not upsetting those who think differently, I'm really happy about the drop. I keep score in dividends at the moment, so a drop in share price means I get to buy more shares of my ETF for the same amount of money. I don't like meteoric price rises, and I'm scared of heights!
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Post by: Hamster on February 07, 2018, 09:52:17 am
@patrick, can you add STXQUA to the challenge?
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Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2018, 10:06:03 am
Do you mean just for purchase or with a tracker bot too?
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Post by: Hamster on February 07, 2018, 12:04:10 pm
Both? Tracker Bot would be great actually.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on February 07, 2018, 12:52:27 pm
The bitcoin rally is on?
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Post by: Orca on February 07, 2018, 01:41:24 pm
One up day does not make a rally. If you look at the month chart you will see a few up days even though it is a bear chart.
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Post by: Hamster on February 07, 2018, 02:13:33 pm
Example: RES is up 9% but I'm still 20% down  :-[  :'(
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Post by: Patrick on February 07, 2018, 04:30:30 pm
Okay, give me a little while, the bots take more time.
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Post by: Hamster on February 08, 2018, 08:18:58 am
Apparently there is a flood of new ETFs coming. You are going to be a busy man adding them all...
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2018, 06:12:24 pm
Annie - Tomorrow / Tomorrow always ^%$# tomorrow in this country
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Post by: Patrick on February 13, 2018, 09:59:31 am
@patrick, can you add STXQUA to the challenge?
Added with a bot.
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Post by: Snapcase on February 13, 2018, 12:25:07 pm
Not sure I agree with putting BTC into the challenge.  I think things will be very skewed by year end because of it, and I'll wager the top performers by then will all be BTC holders.
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Post by: Patrick on February 13, 2018, 02:03:30 pm
I suspect there's a greater chance that they could end up at the bottom...
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Post by: Snapcase on February 13, 2018, 04:27:08 pm
Heh, time will tell
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Post by: Hamster on February 13, 2018, 05:28:33 pm
Still reckon anybody who owned any kind of crypto should be highlighted in yellow on the leaderboard.
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 13, 2018, 05:41:05 pm
Who is using Tapatalk?  Trying to figure out whats going on there.
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Post by: Patrick on February 13, 2018, 05:41:59 pm
Not a bad idea Hamster, let me see what I can do.
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Post by: Snapcase on February 13, 2018, 06:03:22 pm
Actually, I'm actually interested to see how people who diversify into crypto fair against just regular stock investing.
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Post by: Snapcase on February 13, 2018, 06:05:00 pm
...actually...ffs
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Post by: gcr on February 13, 2018, 06:26:09 pm
Not a bad idea Hamster, let me see what I can do.
Don't use yellow that shows up when looking at ones own position on the leaderboard - maybe use puce or khaki :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on February 14, 2018, 08:30:10 pm
So, R11.68/$!
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Post by: Orca on February 14, 2018, 08:51:53 pm
Zuma is thinking that staying in power has caused the ZAR to get to 11.7  :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on February 14, 2018, 09:00:21 pm
Next target is 11.38.
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Post by: gcr on February 14, 2018, 11:41:20 pm
He's gone so good riddance - Zuma783 has resigned
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Post by: czc on February 15, 2018, 09:02:47 am
Woot! He is gone!
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Post by: Patrick on February 15, 2018, 10:06:07 am
R11.66!
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Post by: Patrick on February 15, 2018, 10:06:58 am
According to IOL one of the Guptas ran for lanseria, but the pilot of the private plane refused to take off!
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Post by: Moneypenny on February 15, 2018, 10:46:51 am
That pilot - what a boytjiie!
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on February 15, 2018, 11:47:46 am
Stocks seem to be loving this news..
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Post by: jaDEB on February 15, 2018, 02:07:59 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: Hamster on February 15, 2018, 02:46:09 pm
DSY, COM and BVT :)
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Post by: Hamster on February 15, 2018, 02:47:14 pm
STXQUA also up over 4%  8)

Looks very susceptible to exchange rate changes.
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Post by: Bread on February 15, 2018, 05:46:08 pm
I discovered yesterday there are actually 2 Bitcoin billionaires. They are twins and some of you might know them from the Facebook saga. They've been called various derogatory names but their proper name is the Winkelvoss Twins. They've started their own regulated Bitcoin exchange and are pushing for more BTC regulation. They also haven't sold all the bitcoins and don't intend to so if anything I would say bitcoin's performance will be just the same as any of the top performing shares.
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Post by: Orca on February 15, 2018, 08:07:14 pm
Stocks seem to be loving this news..
No. NPN is loving the news and skewing the performance of the TOPI and ALSI. Most of my stocks were in the red.
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Post by: Hamster on February 15, 2018, 09:02:44 pm
Stocks seem to be loving this news..
No. NPN is loving the news and skewing the performance of the TOPI and ALSI. Most of my stocks were in the red.
That's funny, most of mine including ETFs are green.
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Post by: Trevor12 on February 16, 2018, 11:47:45 pm
what to invest money on
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Post by: Hamster on February 17, 2018, 05:12:03 am
what to invest money on
Your future!
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Post by: Patrick on February 17, 2018, 10:47:41 am
Switched the site to https, if you see something weird please let me know.
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Post by: 17890136 on February 18, 2018, 04:29:39 pm
advanced health
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Post by: Snapcase on February 19, 2018, 03:58:36 pm
@Patrick, are btc buys and sells exempt from your tax calculation? lol  :P
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Post by: Patrick on February 19, 2018, 07:49:20 pm
Nope, taxed at 30% just like shares.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on February 20, 2018, 01:58:52 pm
Could bitcoin realistically disrupt Gold. That's what the proponents argue. That it's an alternative to Gold
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Post by: Pyr1minal on February 20, 2018, 03:59:11 pm
transpaco
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 20, 2018, 09:05:25 pm
@letlhogonolo here is my take on Bitcoin https://erikthiart.com/crypto/what-is-bitcoin.php
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2018, 09:17:13 am
What time is Budget speech ?
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2018, 09:31:51 am
Google it you knob !! Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 14h00.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on February 21, 2018, 09:45:25 am
I see EE have released an app....
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 11:14:21 am
Thanks knob, I was also wondering what time.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2018, 11:24:58 am
I am not talking to you, u taxing my bitcoin :'(
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 02:21:01 pm
A gupta man has to eat :D
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 02:25:59 pm
VAT up 1%, fuel up 52c/l, sin taxes up and no inflation adjustments to the tax brackets.
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 02:27:10 pm
This is most definitely a Cyril budget, not a chance in hell Zuma would have raised vat, instead he'd have slapped on a 50% tax bracket for the wealthy more CGT and divvy taxes and maybe even a wealth tax. Overall knowing the economic reality we're in this is an okay effort.
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 02:28:38 pm
Now we need to fix the SoEs or get rid of them, wipe out all corruption and get our debt levels down like Trevor did. It's going to be a long process.
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Post by: Orca on February 21, 2018, 04:12:44 pm
We pay 23% VAT and the UK slightly less. Yous guys are lucky.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2018, 04:17:12 pm
If we lucky, why are u there ? :)
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Post by: Patrick on February 21, 2018, 04:38:02 pm
Remind me about all the things we pay for that people get for free on that end. Education, medical, a proper state pension, decent public transport, there must be more. Oh and what about the things you don't need at all like armed response, burglar bars, electric fences, a car... Looking at value for tax money it really sucks here. For now of course, Squirrel will be fixing things up slowly but surely.
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Post by: Orca on February 21, 2018, 06:18:16 pm
Plus we get huge discounts when 65 years old like half price for public transport. Plus tax deductions at year end for medication, groceries, utilities, rent etc. Anything you buy or pay for you are asked for your tax number and it gets entered on your personal tax work page. Just rubbing your nose in it.  :))
Even with the high VAT, food is still cheaper here though.
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Post by: Hamster on February 21, 2018, 07:16:01 pm
I see EE have released an app....
If by app you mean their mobile site, sure. Methinks their funds are drying up.
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Post by: Bread on February 21, 2018, 07:59:47 pm
And there's no beard tax.
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Post by: Patrick on February 22, 2018, 10:53:33 am
Only no tax for brown bread, I'm not sure if you qualify :)
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Post by: Bread on February 22, 2018, 04:30:25 pm
 :D
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on February 24, 2018, 07:43:41 am
Boom, have some baskets on EasyE https://platinumwealth.co.za/forum/Thread-How-to-buy-shares-on-the-JSE-with-Easy-Equities
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Post by: gcr on February 26, 2018, 11:27:42 pm
See Cyril the squirrel had to compromise on choosing his cabinet. Suppose he will have to wait for the election and then purge the deadwood when we end up with a coalition government next year
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Post by: Patrick on February 27, 2018, 11:56:07 am
Scary thought is who would be President of he was taken out. I hope he has serious security.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 27, 2018, 12:29:06 pm
Let us just enjoy some positive news for a while, just a %$#@ while
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Post by: BussoV6 on February 27, 2018, 01:42:45 pm
No change to the R33K we can put into TFSA???  That sucks.
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Post by: Nivek on February 27, 2018, 06:08:09 pm
Anyone know why the rand dropped nearly 2% today?
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Post by: RayRay on February 27, 2018, 06:39:39 pm
Compromise cabinet reshuffle and this https://citizen.co.za/news/1838271/anc-supports-principle-of-effs-motion/
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Post by: Maurice on February 27, 2018, 06:41:59 pm
R/$ could be reacting to this https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2018-02-27-parliament-adopts-effs-land-claims-motion-but-anc-seeks-amendments/
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Post by: Orca on February 27, 2018, 07:52:59 pm
That is not the case as it would have given a sudden sharp spike when announced. It did not happen as it was gradual softening of the zar. This was merely a temporary profit taking and will not last long as the zar was overbought in the short term.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 28, 2018, 08:02:44 am
Rant - Fed Chair Powell hints at 4 rate hikes in 2018
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on February 28, 2018, 09:43:12 am
Anyone used the EE app yet? It just looks like a poorly adapted browser version of their website.
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Post by: Nivek on March 01, 2018, 10:56:23 am
I had a look at it. I think calling it an app isn't really accurate. It's more like a shortcut to their mobile site.
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Post by: Hamster on March 01, 2018, 11:47:19 am
The App is a fail from EasyEquites. Their official reasoning for doing this is so that they can push updates to the site and it will immediately be available for everybody.

The big tradeoff is user experience. If you ask me they did it this way because 1) it is cheap, 2) one less thing to support and 3) they only need the app approved once by the stores. Any future changes to it won't go to any of the app stores and won't be vetted.

The cost to develop also plays a role and, I'm speculating, but the dev house they use may not have the necessary skills (as in resources) to do it effectively.

To be honest though, who uses EE that much that they need an app for it?
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Post by: Patrick on March 01, 2018, 01:20:47 pm
For some reason the money never arrived automatically this month. I've just pushed it through manually so you're all rich again!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 01, 2018, 04:59:25 pm
Allready bought Bitcoin :)
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Post by: Bread on March 01, 2018, 11:22:07 pm
https://businesstech.co.za/news/technology/228769/hawks-investigating-multi-million-rand-bitcoin-scam-in-south-africa-report/
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2018, 07:30:33 am
DAmn, nex thINg Shaun Abrahams will also be DOing.. ohh wait, never mind :)
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Post by: PirateJack on March 02, 2018, 08:44:39 am
When will Zuma face arrest?
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Post by: Orca on March 02, 2018, 09:58:02 am
I never got my dividend.
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2018, 11:07:14 am
Which one Orca?
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Post by: Orca on March 02, 2018, 01:56:36 pm
RES.
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Post by: Hamster on March 02, 2018, 02:11:51 pm
I sure picked them for the challenge this year. Both RES and CPI  :wall:
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Post by: mutengesi on March 02, 2018, 08:07:17 pm
bitcoin
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Post by: Orca on March 02, 2018, 08:20:11 pm
BTC Global. Wheeeee  :TU:
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 04, 2018, 06:10:42 pm
TBS - Listeriosis & Fire at R2.2B processing plant, it's going to be bad tomorrow for them.
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Post by: Nivek on March 04, 2018, 11:06:31 pm
After 180 deaths they deserve it. I just feel bad for the investors.
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Post by: Maurice on March 05, 2018, 08:06:32 am
Was there a fire at the factory?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 05, 2018, 01:35:42 pm
Yes, I read it somewhere - nice timing nogal.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 05, 2018, 01:36:13 pm
Apparently they've already known this on Valentines Day 14 Feb.
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Post by: Bread on March 05, 2018, 02:26:11 pm
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
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Post by: Patrick on March 05, 2018, 04:04:29 pm
Yes, I read it somewhere - nice timing nogal.
And all their safety checks got burnt right?
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
What's wrong with their weetbix?
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Post by: gcr on March 05, 2018, 05:02:36 pm
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
Weet-bix is a product of Bokomo (my grandfather was head miller in the late 60's) which is in the Pioneer stable
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Post by: Bread on March 06, 2018, 01:39:43 pm
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
What's wrong with their weetbix?
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Found the complete body of a fly about 3 weeks ago, wings still attached. And before that it was what looked like a tadpole. Have a pic of the fly somewhere.
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Post by: gcr on March 06, 2018, 02:17:05 pm
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
What's wrong with their weetbix?
Found the complete body of a fly about 3 weeks ago, wings still attached. And before that it was what looked like a tadpole. Have a pic of the fly somewhere.
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Well they do say its SA favourite breakfast cereal, and you can be thankful that all the bits and pieces of the fly and tadpole were intact  :LHST: :LHST:
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Post by: BussoV6 on March 07, 2018, 11:14:11 am
Good. Maybe now they'll improve their quality control on the Weetbix line  :mad:
What's wrong with their weetbix?
Found the complete body of a fly about 3 weeks ago, wings still attached. And before that it was what looked like a tadpole. Have a pic of the fly somewhere.
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You bought the "Protein Enriched" version..... ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2018, 03:21:23 pm
Bought Some NetFlix :)
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Post by: Bread on March 09, 2018, 08:45:25 pm
Looks like a definite trend change in Naspers.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2018, 12:04:07 pm
mR bREAD (tRENd CHANGE UP oR down ?
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Post by: Bread on March 12, 2018, 12:23:04 pm
mR bREAD (tRENd CHANGE UP oR down ?

 :D
uP mR jaDEB
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2018, 12:29:49 pm
:)
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Post by: Wallace on March 12, 2018, 02:08:19 pm
Support Eth at this level, who is buying.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 12, 2018, 06:05:14 pm
I is sticking to BTC for now. But am following ETH, IOTA and XRP. Soldmy ETH and bought BTC
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2018, 10:12:43 am
TSLA was up nice last night :)
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Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2018, 10:27:44 am
That was quite a jump, what were the reasons?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2018, 11:05:11 am
Bloomberg News reported Sunday that Tesla’s factory in Fremont, Calif., had temporarily stopped Model 3 production for four days in late February.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2018, 11:05:29 am
Tesla confirmed the report and said the downtime had been planned, adding that such periods are used to improve automation and address bottlenecks to increase production rates eventually
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Post by: Patrick on March 13, 2018, 03:07:17 pm
So bad news was actually good news?
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Post by: Nivek on March 15, 2018, 08:41:19 am
What are the chances of EOH recovering in future?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 15, 2018, 11:18:28 am
Mr P, your Game she is broken. Some people has more than 100% porfolio's
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Post by: Patrick on March 15, 2018, 11:36:19 am
Where where? Has it fixed itself or am I not seeing something?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 15, 2018, 12:34:18 pm
Leader = TBS Tiger Brands Ltd  1500 39171 34917 -10.86% R523 755,00 138.08%
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Post by: Patrick on March 16, 2018, 11:54:43 am
Was it Mr. Venter or someone else. I'm trying to trace it but I can't find it.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 16, 2018, 02:40:33 pm
Yes, Mr Venter now has 10%+5%+9%+144% = 168%. I think it is correct, only % of portfolio is incorrect. But overall % is correct. Thus not to worry
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Post by: gcr on March 16, 2018, 04:43:35 pm
Here's something I'm exploring a bit. If you look at the ETF's in the top 50 - 60 positions in the competition maybe it makes sense to select a few and have them in your TFSA as bankers and/or as growth stock. I'm sure it would make more sense than being in bank investments which are subject to monetary erosion at the hands of inflation. Also because you can effectively trade these EFT's in your TFSA you can as an when prudent sell and bank profits and then reinvest in the same ETF and or change your portfolio holdings
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2018, 09:25:19 am
My Luno account was hacked - all my money gone - lovely :'(
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Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2018, 09:56:08 am
Tell me you're joking? What happened, how did they get in? Did you have 2 factor authentication enabled? Can you tell where the crypto was sent to?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2018, 10:35:10 am
No joke, No I did not have 2 waY RAdio. And yes, I know that what they are going to say.
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Post by: Patrick on March 19, 2018, 10:59:44 am
I've heard it's happened even when people had 2FA activated. Do some reading here: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/917033-Bitcoins-Stolen-from-Luno-Wallet
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2018, 11:47:49 am
Thanks Mr P, see Luno is actually at work, my account has been disabled
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2018, 12:30:23 pm
%$#@$^%&^&^%$$##@@@@!$$%% Sake
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Post by: Nivek on March 19, 2018, 02:30:49 pm
Sorry to hear jadeb
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on March 19, 2018, 02:52:07 pm
well that's a kick in the nuts. On a monday as well.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 19, 2018, 05:06:17 pm
Just got reply from LUNO, according them I should have had 2FA, + Extra secirty on my mail, extra locks on the bathroom, windows, and my dog was not allowed close to computer. Standard Copy paste crap they must be sending out on daily basis. In any I lost my money, and LUNO will not see me again.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on March 19, 2018, 09:38:27 pm
TBF - you should stop using "password" for your password...
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2018, 07:44:55 am
How the hell do u know my password? Can u please put my money back in LUNO Please :)
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Post by: Snapcase on March 20, 2018, 11:45:24 am
Sorry JaDEB, 2FA is essential nowadays.  Hard lesson to learn.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2018, 04:13:03 pm
No, the lesson I learned was actually how f&^$ easy it was for the them to take my money. Shocking, and response fron Luno is worse. Go google Luno wallet hacked, and read Hello Peter.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2018, 04:15:17 pm
And while him upset, when I did stuff on Luno, I got codes on my cell, my tablet that I had to use. WHen they took my money, not a beep. If you on Luno, go login, then go to settings and change your password. Try
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2018, 05:52:58 pm
Tencent results out tomorrow
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Post by: Patrick on March 21, 2018, 11:51:23 am
Google decided to kill off my highest earning app. They won't even bring it back online if I make the changes they request, I'd have to resubmit it which means losing my ranking, reviews and list of downloads :(
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Post by: Bread on March 21, 2018, 02:58:30 pm
Thanks, jaDEB. Here's hoping they good and NPN gonna fly wheeeee  :D
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Post by: Snapcase on March 21, 2018, 03:27:33 pm
Its a pretty poor show jaDEB.  BTC isn't anonymous and can be traced, so surely they can help out a little more than completely brushing it off?
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Post by: gcr on March 21, 2018, 09:37:09 pm
My Luno account was hacked - all my money gone - lovely :'(
jaDEB - I'm coming in a bit late on this matter - did you sign a contract with whoever Luno is - if you did, did they explain the T & C's or as is normal said to you read through the T & C's and then sign the form. In many cases they ask you to sign the document with all the T & C's but fail to explain those where you are at risk and which T & C's you should take note of specifically. They are also required to explain to you what their roles and responsibilities are and what the consequences are in your decision making process. If something is "hacked" then that is not due to your lack of security protocols but theirs and there well may be a case to answer by them that they are culpable and responsible for your loss due to their inability to secure your funds
I'm no lawyer but in banking one learns something about contracts - so the important issue here is whether a contract is in place, did they explain T & C's sufficiently for you to know what security arrangement you need to put in place and what were their responsibilities and accountabilities.
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Post by: Hamster on March 22, 2018, 06:16:02 am
Its a pretty poor show jaDEB.  BTC isn't anonymous and can be traced, so surely they can help out a little more than completely brushing it off?

You'll find most financial institutions rather unhelpful if you do not make use of the security features they provide you.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2018, 07:46:32 am
I did use the security they provided, but enough said. My last post will be under Pulvarized Sandbox
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Post by: Maurice on March 22, 2018, 08:15:00 am
jaDEB thanks for the warning. I wouldn't remain as calm as you have. And sorry for your loss!
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2018, 08:42:46 am
Tencent Doubles Profit But Warns Spending to Weigh on Margins
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Post by: Patrick on March 22, 2018, 09:35:56 am
What a company, Naspers really got lucky hitching on to that ride.
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Post by: Maurice on March 22, 2018, 01:35:13 pm
Naspers nearly 9% down. The market doesn't like something. Is it the sale of some Ten cent shares?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2018, 01:43:41 pm
No, it is kick jaDEB in the nuts week !!!! :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on March 22, 2018, 01:53:17 pm
Stop moaning u knobb . . .
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Post by: gcr on March 22, 2018, 03:45:09 pm
I want to relate a story which quite simply is making me livid and it involves  my bank - Nedbank for whom I worked for neigh on 40 years
About 6 weeks ago I wanted to load a new beneficiary to my list on my profile - and the banks system returned an error message. I detest visiting my bank because I find the staff clumsy and award (read inefficient and poorly skilled) to resolve the matter. The bank were unable to tell me why the condition had occurred and upon writing to senior management of the bank they informed me that they had my landline as the mechanism of contact and as such that's why the error message happened, yet when I told them that all previous beneficiaries had been loaded successfully and that the authorization to proceed to load the beneficiary had always been on record and used - I merely had to respond to the message ye or no. When I pointed this out to the bank that this was the case they then informed me that the reason for blocking my ability to load beneficiaries was because I had not completed a FATCA declaration. On questioning them on what this was all about they informed me that all clients and not only clients of Nedbank are required to sign this declaration. In 2014 SA signed (along with many other countries) an accord with the USA wherein, foreign country banks provide data to SARS of all USA citizens who are holding banking accounts in these foreign countries. The principle behind this is that the IRS is trying to determine which of its citizens are holding funds in a foreign country and why they have not been declared to the IRS - this has a lot to do with terrorism and the curtailment of these activities.
So given that all bank clients are supposed to sign this declaration (my bank says it is similar to FICA - which I dispute as this legislation was tackled far more professionally to get everybody on board) I checked with a number of existing Nedbank staffmembers/and pensioners whom I know to gauge whether they had signed such a declaration - of the 8 approached not one had signed the declaration. When I visited the designated Nedbank branch to sign the declaration with a particular person he was unavailable (I have yet to sign the declaration) ask asked the frontline staff of Nedbank whether they had signed such a declaration and only 1 of 4 confirmed signing such a document. I then visited Standard Bank and ABSA in the Northgate (JHburg) centre and proceeded to engage some of their staff on this whole FATCA matter and only Standard confirmed to me that their system flags customers who have not signed a declaration but they did indicate that it was not a general rule that all their clients were required to sign the form. I further learnt that though this legislation has gone to parliament it has not been approved so in essence this is not eligible for enacting until such time as it is passed by parliament

So my question is rather who has signed this document with their bank - because to ask who has not may end up with an overwhelming no answer

Maybe one of the clever ones on this forum can run a survey schedule allowing 1 of 2 option either forumites have or haven't signed a FATCA declaration. Just as an aside those who have in fact signed this declaration are you aware as to what you signed - especially since you may only have a single citizenship, that being RSA

Interested in seeing responses

Thanks   
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Post by: Bread on March 22, 2018, 07:56:53 pm
Or not  :mad:
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2018, 09:19:59 am
Today I is just gonna hold on to my nuts, and look away
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Post by: jaDEB on March 23, 2018, 10:32:18 am
I use Google Finnace to follow Tencent & TSLA & Netflix. But they broke it, any ideas which site I can use. Will appreciate it. Damn it rained alot.
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Post by: Maurice on March 24, 2018, 01:50:50 pm
I use google sheets use =GOOGLEFINANCE(JSE:NPN,"price") for the current price. Just google the other symbols. It works for now.
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Post by: Hamster on March 26, 2018, 06:29:20 am
Google Finance doesn't always have all the tickers (well, SA ones anyway). Bloomberg quote pages and their watchlist still works the best for me.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 26, 2018, 11:15:11 am
My shares in Afrikaans. Tiensent en Netflieks :)
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Post by: Nivek on March 26, 2018, 12:22:24 pm
Do you have any gesigboek?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 26, 2018, 01:37:18 pm
Lmao - good one, Bietjie Munt ?
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 27, 2018, 08:29:54 am
Het Spotify al ge-list op NYSE?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 27, 2018, 11:11:15 am
looks like next week. 12 hours ago - Just a week before its initial public offering, Spotify on Monday said it expected revenues this year to grow 20 percent to 30 percent
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2018, 11:46:10 am
:'(
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Post by: Patrick on March 28, 2018, 12:46:44 pm
What's up?
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Post by: Bread on March 28, 2018, 01:16:23 pm
Or down?
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Post by: Patrick on March 28, 2018, 01:54:58 pm
Could it be NPN?
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Post by: Bread on March 28, 2018, 04:02:01 pm
Currently experiencing it's biggest 1 day drop since 30 Jan  :wall:
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Post by: jaDEB on March 28, 2018, 05:04:39 pm
frikkin Walloping I is GETing
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Post by: Nivek on March 29, 2018, 08:19:40 am
The whole world is getting a walloping. I blame trump.
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Post by: gcr on March 29, 2018, 11:48:43 am
The whole world is getting a walloping. I blame trump.
Not really - you need to include Russia, China and North Korea in this stupidity in the market - I think it is the traders buying on tick who move the market - the robots are trading as they have been instructed to, think it could progressively worse as more robots are brought onboard to trade - conventional investor could get hurt 
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Post by: Bread on April 02, 2018, 05:11:40 pm
Could everyone please wave as Patrick drops slowly but steadily down in the competition and passes us by.

Bye, Patrick! Bye bye. Say hello to Orca and jaDEB for us when you pass them.

 :P   >:D   :))   
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Post by: Patrick on April 02, 2018, 07:07:37 pm
Damn NPN #$%$^%@ ;)
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Post by: Bread on April 02, 2018, 08:11:21 pm
Yup. But I'm hoping for a rally over the next 2 weeks so I can sell at about 3430
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Post by: jaDEB on April 03, 2018, 10:27:35 am
@bread - challange accepted :)
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Post by: Oversix on April 03, 2018, 10:52:39 am
Hey guys, I have just sold most of my profile in my easy equities TFSA. I'm looking for a etf that is heavily weighted in gold atm?
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Post by: Hamster on April 03, 2018, 12:01:14 pm
GIVRES is probably your best bet in a TFSA.
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Post by: Sunny on April 03, 2018, 01:00:28 pm
Sas
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2018, 03:49:37 pm
Citywire UK. UK investor sentiment as low as 2008.
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Post by: Patrick on April 03, 2018, 04:26:40 pm
Are they more worried about brexit or the current global correction (does it qualify as a correction yet?)
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Post by: Oversix on April 03, 2018, 05:12:31 pm
Big trade wars between usa and china, this can be bad news for the market
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2018, 08:03:14 pm
I'm in Wales ATM and see the food prices are about 20% more than last year. Banks closing hundreds of branches due to e-banking. Residential housing prices are sky high due to no new builds. Rental prices are double compared to Portugal. Rent includes rates and taxes and about R1 300.00 pm for utilities is separate. Just bought Chinese Chicken Chow Mein (500ml) for R100.00.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2018, 05:16:33 pm
How is NPN, from minus 6% to + 1.7% wtf !!!
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Post by: jaDEB on April 04, 2018, 05:17:51 pm
Sorry Smiley Face :)
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Post by: Bread on April 04, 2018, 09:34:58 pm
Nooo.   -6 to +2.60%   We should swing up nicely in the coming days.   Thereby swinging Patrick up over the moon.
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Post by: Bread on April 05, 2018, 01:38:55 pm
Sneaky, jaDEB, very sneaky.

Amazing how it turned as soon as it hit 278000 mid day. I thought it would only turn only after closing at or below 278000.
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Post by: Patrick on April 09, 2018, 08:47:58 am
So I see ABSA now has an inactivity fee on their TFSA. R35 every 60 days. They apply this even if you fund the TFSA fully for the year. I'm planning on moving everything to EE now.
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Post by: Hamster on April 09, 2018, 09:29:06 am
Link?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on April 09, 2018, 10:30:04 am
yeah - ABSA loves moving the goal posts. So after watching there Capitec eat them for lunch - seems they want to help EE do the same on the stockbroking side.
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Post by: Patrick on April 09, 2018, 10:54:27 am
Here's the document, it applies to their ETF only account too: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B05ja1VaEqoGejhHcFllZkFVNjhuejk5LTNSYXZKWVNuX0Rr/view
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Post by: Hamster on April 09, 2018, 11:13:29 am
Well. it was good while it lasted I guess...
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 09, 2018, 11:24:11 am
Was it good though... :P
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Post by: jaDEB on April 10, 2018, 02:17:09 pm
rEAD WITH tHICK gERMAN ACCENT "wY IS EOH falling like this !!"
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Post by: Sunny on April 10, 2018, 08:17:05 pm
isb
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on April 11, 2018, 09:57:40 am
Saw an article yesterday about EOH worries, I think it was on moneyweb should still be there.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 16, 2018, 08:36:45 am
Netflieks results out today
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Post by: Nivek on April 16, 2018, 03:44:36 pm
What time? They've had an amazing few years.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 16, 2018, 04:12:32 pm
The company will announce Q1 earnings after the market close April 16
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Post by: jaDEB on April 17, 2018, 07:40:49 am
Netflieks - cool :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2018, 10:16:35 am
Netflieks > bitcoin
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 18, 2018, 10:25:56 am
N 'groter as' B?
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Post by: Patrick on April 18, 2018, 11:23:23 am
Netflieks currently $145B > Bitcoin currently $134B
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2018, 11:24:52 am
WOnder which ^%$# of the $134B stole mine, u upsetting me again Mr P
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 18, 2018, 11:30:52 am
Oh okay
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Post by: Patrick on April 19, 2018, 07:47:11 am
It's odd that it can't be tracked. I would have thought that trust, tracking and accountability were the main benefits of blockchain. Surely a stolen coin could easily be blacklisted from being sold or redeemed making theft a non-issue?
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 19, 2018, 09:50:34 am
And so, our power cables stolen again, 3rd time in 2 month, turnaround usually 21hrs, 😡 Later.
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Post by: Patrick on April 19, 2018, 11:25:19 am
We had druggies stealing our substation fuse. 4 days turnaround for that. Turns out someone forgot to replace the lock once, and the people who kept replacing the fuses weren't the same people who could put a lock on.
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Post by: Bread on April 19, 2018, 01:30:22 pm
We had druggies stealing our substation fuse. 4 days turnaround for that. Turns out someone forgot to replace the lock once, and the people who kept replacing the fuses weren't the same people who could put a lock on.

 :D
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Post by: Bread on April 19, 2018, 05:38:25 pm
What the hell just happened? Why the massive selloff since just after 3pm on the Overall?
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Post by: Oversix on April 19, 2018, 05:52:35 pm
Bread there is a trent line that has not been broken for the top 40 the markets have not made a higher high
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Post by: Oversix on April 19, 2018, 05:56:25 pm
So we still in a down trend regarding the top 40
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Post by: Orca on April 19, 2018, 07:37:19 pm
My stocks don't follow the TOPI at all as the TOPI is controlled by 3 large caps and does not represent the performance of the JSE overall.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 23, 2018, 09:32:21 am
Rant @ R12.19
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Post by: Oversix on April 23, 2018, 12:04:04 pm
Think i got lucky for pulling all my funds from dividend shares to GIVRES etf my tfsa is up by 7k in less then 2-3 weeks
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Post by: gcr on April 23, 2018, 12:07:26 pm
Rant @ R12.19
Now at 12.255
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Post by: Oversix on April 23, 2018, 12:13:02 pm
Just scared of the head and shoulders patten bhp billiton can form
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Post by: Patrick on April 23, 2018, 01:12:25 pm
Anyone know the cause of the rand rant?
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Post by: Orca on April 23, 2018, 01:24:20 pm
Not really so much the zar but....LONDON, April 23 (Reuters) - The U.S. dollar rallied to a seven-week high on Monday after a rise in the 10-year U.S. Treasury yield to within a whisker of 3 percent sent investors rushing to buy the greenback, leaving the euro and yen sharply lower.
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Post by: Orca on April 23, 2018, 01:25:08 pm
ZAR should head back to 12.00 again.
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 24, 2018, 08:26:59 am
Cable theft again 2am, prob next 24hrs without power.  I wasn’t build for th*rd world countries, I don’t even camp FFS, oh how I hate this. Later.
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Post by: Nivek on April 24, 2018, 03:11:00 pm
You must be going out of your mind. Time for solar panels?
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 24, 2018, 05:50:26 pm
Sigh 😔 16hrs, 8 to go then the f&$kers will take it again before the weekend, guaranteed.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 25, 2018, 01:03:21 pm
Article on Moneyweb - NPN/Tesla. What a waste of time to read. u should have it, or u should not have it. Maybe or not.
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Post by: gcr on April 25, 2018, 02:59:57 pm
Anyone care to explain the huge drop in the Rand/Dollar exchange rate 16 cents is worrying - can't believe it is due to the Dollar strength as we have also lost 1.03% against the Pound
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Post by: Moneypenny on April 26, 2018, 09:33:21 am
 US Treasuries & Dollar rallied on geopolitical tension – emerging currencies hit, or so they say but I see you’re not swayed. ;)
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Post by: Patrick on April 30, 2018, 08:26:44 am
Anyone else at work today?
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Post by: jaDEB on April 30, 2018, 11:04:05 am
Yip
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Post by: gcr on April 30, 2018, 02:56:06 pm
Why work :LHST: :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on May 01, 2018, 06:04:14 pm
Have to work to fund the wife's lavish lifestyle and addiction to buying new clothes every month. She's got loads and loads of clothes in every cupboard in every room but no. None of them fit her 'cos she's put on a little extra weight now you see. And of course winter's coming so......  :frustrated:
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Post by: Patrick on May 02, 2018, 09:28:18 am
I take it your wife isn't a reader of this site :D
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 02, 2018, 10:03:56 am
No, no, no Bread it’s called maintenance and you should consider yourself lucky.  Every girl does this in her teenage years and 20’s.  A scary number don’t after marriage/mid-20's, have you seen those? (majority imo), - only a few keep it up.   >:D Granted, I'm not talking about extremes and psychos.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 02, 2018, 10:58:33 am
@ Bread, just get bigger Cupboards. My wife actually has a list of her shoes :) , I remeber mine, one pair for work and 2 pair tekkies weekend.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 02, 2018, 10:59:58 am
But saying that she does not go ballistic, most is Mr Price and PEP, she actually kinda feels guilty verytime she buys, but she should not, as I do not mind.
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Post by: Bread on May 02, 2018, 01:02:02 pm
I take it your wife isn't a reader of this site :D

 :D
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Post by: Bread on May 02, 2018, 01:16:43 pm
But saying that she does not go ballistic, most is Mr Price and PEP, she actually kinda feels guilty verytime she buys, but she should not, as I do not mind.

@ Bread, just get bigger Cupboards. My wife actually has a list of her shoes :) , I remeber mine, one pair for work and 2 pair tekkies weekend.

I'm with you, bud. Bigger cupboards indeed. That way we can get rid of all the old suitcases and plastic bags  :wtf: and the list sounds like a good idea :) that way she can keep track of which year and weight goes in which cupboard or suitcase. Ugh
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Post by: Bread on May 02, 2018, 01:19:14 pm
But ja. As long as it's Mr. Price and Pep I'm happy. This nonsense of spending R400 on a blouse at Woolworths mustn't be allowed to see the light of day. Damn woman. Or should I say women.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2018, 07:32:21 am
LOL, although my TSLA is down 5% I like Elon Musk's earnings call, "Boring question, next"
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 03, 2018, 08:29:32 am
 Nice 😊  You can take the South-African out of SA but not the Pretoria out of the South-African.
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Post by: Nivek on May 03, 2018, 10:46:44 am
I see the analysts aren't too happy with how he handled the call. Apparently he needs to grow up. I'm hoping he doesn't, there are enough grown ups screwing up the planet already!
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Post by: Oversix on May 03, 2018, 11:04:53 am
Trend line still in play, it made a u turn at the trend line.  BHP still doing great, im still having this feeling of a market crash
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Post by: Hamster on May 03, 2018, 11:45:13 am
I see we have a moron spammer again...
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Post by: Patrick on May 03, 2018, 11:46:22 am
Taking care of him now
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Post by: Oversix on May 03, 2018, 01:10:44 pm
Can some one tell me why there is limited news about naspers, looks like them controlling the news market
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Post by: Oversix on May 03, 2018, 01:20:31 pm
I have heared stories about multichoice not doing so great in africa
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Post by: Oversix on May 03, 2018, 01:51:12 pm
Every time naspers shares take a hit news24 dont show any updates of the markets
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Post by: Hamster on May 03, 2018, 02:39:00 pm
Conspiracy!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 03, 2018, 03:15:06 pm
nASPERS folloWs Tencent, the DSTV does nothing. Tencent down 2.14%
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Post by: Oversix on May 03, 2018, 05:23:37 pm
Haha hamstre, when you control the media you can control alot
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Post by: Hamster on May 04, 2018, 08:11:20 am
I suppose anything is possible these days
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Post by: Patrick on May 04, 2018, 12:49:22 pm
Sheesh, why is it that the insurance companies fight so hard to keep your business once you cancel, but don't feel shy to give massive increases every year.
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Post by: Hamster on May 04, 2018, 01:14:27 pm
They are skelms.

I asked Santam to have a look at my policy and they reduced it by about 10% in March. Late April I get an email that in June my policy will be renewed and the policy goes up by close to 10% again  :-[

So the better question is - why is my car becoming more expensive to insure?
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Post by: Patrick on May 04, 2018, 01:58:44 pm
I phone around nearly every year and end up with an under inflation increase every time. As an added bonus Outsurance give me R400 every year too, and that covers more than a months insurance.
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Post by: Bread on May 06, 2018, 02:22:59 pm
I never used to phone around. Always stayed with A&G for many years. Until one day I realised my premium was over R1000 but I would've been lucky to sell the car for R20 000. And since then I've realised the auto insurance sellers are just as bad as the life assurance/insurance sellers. They all con the public by saying their increases are inflation linked. Or cost related. Which they are, let's be fair. But the unsuspecting public believes inflation linked is CPI linked. Which is not the case. It's linked to the company's cost of doing business, which goes up every year by a certain rate, I suppose what one would call their in-house inflation rate or cost of doing business. Operating costs. It's got nothing to do with CPI. So if their expenses go up, our premiums go up.
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Post by: gcr on May 07, 2018, 08:58:58 am
I never used to phone around. Always stayed with A&G for many years. Until one day I realised my premium was over R1000 but I would've been lucky to sell the car for R20 000. And since then I've realised the auto insurance sellers are just as bad as the life assurance/insurance sellers. They all con the public by saying their increases are inflation linked. Or cost related. Which they are, let's be fair. But the unsuspecting public believes inflation linked is CPI linked. Which is not the case. It's linked to the company's cost of doing business, which goes up every year by a certain rate, I suppose what one would call their in-house inflation rate or cost of doing business. Operating costs. It's got nothing to do with CPI. So if their expenses go up, our premiums go up.
It really does pay to shop around and negotiate with your insurer - household goods are normally on a new for old and that the goods are easily transportable - I have some heavy equipment (woodworking) which I cover but on the principal that these items are not transportable unless they bring a large truck and a contingent of labour to remove these items so my premiums have been adjusted downwards due their shear weight. Also cover cars on the basis of book value plus 10% (my determination). Also I get discounted premiums for having an alarm system linked to a reaction company and I also got a reduction in premiums when I installed a 5 camera system to cover entry to my property from any direction
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Post by: Bread on May 08, 2018, 05:25:02 pm
And then I thought I found my insurance home in King Price. Insure with us, they said, the only place where your premium drops, albeit by only a few rand every month. That's fantastic, I thought. Instead of my premiums going up every year they'll actually DROP EVERY MONTH. But they didn't say they wouldn't do away with the annual increase, which was about the normal 20%, so I still end up paying more. So now it's back to phoning around.
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Post by: Patrick on May 08, 2018, 07:15:41 pm
Wow what a sneaky loophole.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 10, 2018, 04:54:10 pm
Wow, read the Steinhoff sens, sad, so sad.
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Post by: Orca on May 10, 2018, 07:14:47 pm
Steinhoff now a penny stock and probably to be suspended within a month.
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Post by: Orca on May 11, 2018, 03:23:01 pm
Tried to delete my previous post to no avail. I don't want to incite violence here.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 14, 2018, 07:52:08 am
Gone :)
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Post by: Patrick on May 15, 2018, 03:09:35 pm
Is the rand upset over the middle east or is it something I've missed?
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Post by: Orca on May 15, 2018, 08:41:39 pm
No. The USD surged after retail sales data. No prob. as it is short term. The ZAR will get back below 12 soon.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2018, 09:31:38 am
Tiensent bringing out results now now. Hold thumbs ..
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2018, 11:55:30 am
:)
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Post by: Bread on May 16, 2018, 02:12:41 pm
 :)
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Post by: Nivek on May 17, 2018, 09:52:21 am
can you give us a summary jadeb
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Post by: jaDEB on May 18, 2018, 08:04:05 am
See Pulverized Sand Box
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Post by: Bread on May 19, 2018, 05:36:58 am
Rand stocks being decimated.

Will the Rand be close to R12.90 by the end of next week?
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Post by: Patrick on May 21, 2018, 07:31:42 am
R12.78 at the moment :(
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Post by: Hamster on May 22, 2018, 09:45:11 am
Good bye ABSA.. last funds scheduled to transfer out :)
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Post by: willemm on May 22, 2018, 12:36:21 pm
Good bye ABSA.. last funds scheduled to transfer out :)

where did you opt to go?
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Post by: Hamster on May 22, 2018, 02:59:07 pm
Good bye ABSA.. last funds scheduled to transfer out :)

where did you opt to go?

Well, we're thinking of buying a house and getting married so what is left will be in a 32 day account for now. As far as ETFs are concerned: TFSA is still at EE and also have some funds on CoreShares. Most likely I'll up that debit order in the future.

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Post by: SisandaK on May 24, 2018, 01:21:26 pm
Calgro
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Post by: Oversix on May 24, 2018, 01:51:34 pm
Will this swing lower be the one that breaks the camels back, as the top 40 did not make a higher high
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on May 28, 2018, 08:30:33 am
I cannot wait for L4L to make some deals!
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Post by: Hamster on May 29, 2018, 03:03:26 pm
...aaand CoreShares is broken. No portfolio data :/
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Post by: Oversix on May 29, 2018, 03:22:21 pm
Talks about italians wanting to exit EU
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2018, 10:56:22 am
Hullo moderator - please block Hemmings8 and some of the advertorials slipping through - Thanks in advance
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Post by: Patrick on May 31, 2018, 01:22:10 pm
I'm on it. These local spammers are getting past my security, time to up it again.
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Post by: LittleBT on May 31, 2018, 02:54:58 pm
Anyone out there using the IG Markets platform?
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Post by: gcr on May 31, 2018, 06:41:30 pm
I'm on it. These local spammers are getting past my security, time to up it again.
Thanks Patrick
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Post by: Patrick on June 01, 2018, 06:17:56 pm
What a day for Naspers!
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Post by: Bread on June 02, 2018, 09:25:46 pm
Anybody know the reason for the unusually high volumes over 30-31st May in some stocks? Like Rangold to the value of R3 770 317.20. Perhaps it has to do with gold's rerating.
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Post by: Bread on June 03, 2018, 03:34:37 pm
 Maybe now would be a good time to pick up some RNGs, although I won't cos it's too thinly traded. Perhaps it's on a precipice. Either it's gonna shoot up or go nowhere.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2018, 07:28:25 am
Tesla up 9% :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
What is HApeNINg wiFF the RAnt (German accent)
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Post by: Patrick on June 07, 2018, 04:50:27 pm
I was wondering the same. Just withdrew some cash in Madagascar and noticed it cost me more than I thought. Found wifi and saw actually the ATM was right and I was wrong :(
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Post by: Orca on June 07, 2018, 08:04:14 pm
It should trade back below 13 tomorrow as traders take profit. I cannot see why it weakened by such an extent.
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Post by: JohnnyH on June 08, 2018, 09:10:04 am
Apparently the ZAR weakness is (at least in part) due to funds moving to the Turkish Lira after they had a bigger than expected interest rate rise.
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Post by: Orca on June 08, 2018, 10:48:50 am
Fin24.....The rand extended a slump after breaching R13/$ for the first time since December as investors bet there’s little chance the SA Reserve Bank will follow emerging-market peers in raising interest rates.
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Post by: willemm on June 08, 2018, 06:03:59 pm
I was wondering the same. Just withdrew some cash in Madagascar and noticed it cost me more than I thought. Found wifi and saw actually the ATM was right and I was wrong :(

Awesome Madagascar.. you should hop over further to Mauritius to my house for some rum :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 11, 2018, 10:13:53 am
Wow, crypto currencies hey
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Post by: Orca on June 11, 2018, 07:44:40 pm
Portugal year on year growth an "impressive" 1,6% while the ave for the EU was 1,2%. SA had a "dismal" growth expected to be just under 2%??? WTF.
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Post by: Bread on June 12, 2018, 11:08:09 am
Orca, me lad. You have made a monumental you-know-what. Delete it quickly before anyone else sees it and then go back and read it again.
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Post by: Bread on June 12, 2018, 11:17:50 am
If it still says the same thing then you are in the process of learning to double and triple check the facts before posting :-)
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Post by: Orca on June 12, 2018, 01:48:39 pm
SA figure is from memory but the other 2 are from CityWire UK posted yesterday.
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Post by: Orca on June 12, 2018, 01:56:44 pm
Just checked to make sure. https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/231297/south-africas-economy-expected-to-grow-at-1-9-in-2018/     
South Africa’s economy expected to grow at 1.9% in 2018
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Post by: Bread on June 12, 2018, 04:23:25 pm
Ah, yes. Now I see the error of your ways. I thought you said SA had a dismal expected growth rate of just under 2%, meaning so far for 2018  :D
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Post by: Orca on June 12, 2018, 05:37:26 pm
A growth of 1.6% for Portugal is considered great by economists in the UK but 1.9% is poor for SA. Then again, 7% average for Uganda, Tanzania and Nigeria is expected. I don't get it.
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Post by: shifty on June 13, 2018, 10:07:58 am
A growth of 1.6% for Portugal is considered great by economists in the UK but 1.9% is poor for SA. Then again, 7% average for Uganda, Tanzania and Nigeria is expected. I don't get it.

Aren't emerging economies expected to have higher growth?
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Post by: Orca on June 13, 2018, 08:37:24 pm
Yes. Developed markets are are just that...Developed. Reading the UK financials yesterday I see many billions of GBP's leaving to offshore emerging markets. Mostly to Emerging market world ETF's and the like. So it seems like we have to keep out of Emerged or Developed markets to get more growth in ETF's.
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Post by: gcr on June 13, 2018, 09:48:31 pm
Looking specifically at our market which has been as volatile as 2007/8 here are some sobering numbers related to the ALSI:-
6/10/2017   57328.07
10/10/2017 57670.29 T40 51502.53
26/10/2017 58852.54
06/11/2017 60086.92 T40 53682.89
21/11/2017 61267.94 T40 55156.55
25/01/2018  61684.77

These number represented the highest highs
Today
13/06/2018 58437.23 T 40 52200.03 and today the ALSI moved higher by 229.41 points and the T40 290.63
So the reality is that we have had significant retracements on the indices and also our exchange rate has deteriorated quite substantially

Not a pretty picture - if only the NPA would start criminalizing some of those persons responsible for state capture and theft
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Post by: Bread on June 14, 2018, 11:42:59 pm
Looks like the days of a sub 13 Rand are over for the short term. Don't see any reason for it to strengthen in the mid to long term.
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Post by: Bread on June 15, 2018, 02:12:43 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0TRqPMdUY

Maybe now would be a good time to buy a gun. Some of my colleagues are EFF supporters.
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Post by: Nivek on June 15, 2018, 09:27:25 am
Heel do anything to her into the news. I think he's scared of the Rama anc and expects to lose a lot of support. Rand on 13.44 really is bad, but a few years ago we would have dreamed of it!
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Post by: Bread on June 17, 2018, 10:38:54 pm
Headline 10 years from now......

And so it came to pass that on this day way back in the year 2018 the crypto currency known as Bitcoin suffered a fatal blow......

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cryptocurrency/264837-bitcoin-could-break-the-internet.html
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Post by: jaDEB on June 18, 2018, 09:14:12 am
So jaDEB, how is your BSR doing...you $#@% knob
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Post by: Patrick on June 18, 2018, 10:11:38 am
Are they going broke? They were once worth R37.50/share now R0.02?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 18, 2018, 11:07:37 am
Under business rescue
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Post by: Nivek on June 18, 2018, 04:23:54 pm
R13.62 :wtf:
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 18, 2018, 04:37:00 pm
-1.56%
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Post by: Bread on June 18, 2018, 09:53:08 pm
Let's see if Naspers ends at about 3360 end of Tuesday.
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Post by: Oversix on June 19, 2018, 07:51:28 am
Naspers going to end up alot lower today.
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Post by: gcr on June 19, 2018, 09:18:27 am
Daily low - so far R3184.27 - and the entire market dipped
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Post by: Bread on June 19, 2018, 09:34:19 am
Or maybe not sigh

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/markets/2018-06-19-rand-back-over-r1380-while-asian-slump-points-to-bad-day-for-jse/

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Post by: Bread on June 20, 2018, 07:56:28 pm
Will the Rand continue on it's upward journey to regain lost ground from pre Rama days or strengthen further?

14.50 here we come.
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Post by: Bevan on June 20, 2018, 10:38:23 pm
Short term we should retrace back to around 13.00 but then I reckon we will see around 16.50 to 17 to USD by election time next year, as some crazy promises are made and the media over-eggs the things that are said. Then (hopefully) SA will finally get its act together and the Rand will really start performing, taking us back to around 10, or even better to the USD. Of course, if Trump bankrupts the US, and possibly even the global economy by then, all bets are off. The US is around $21-trn in debt and borrowing to pay interest, from creditors that are increasingly getting peeved about their attitude to trade. Either way I reckon I'm pretty safe in Hogsback. We got free water and off-grid power now. Dairy, meat and most fruit and veg is also sorted now. Just need a solution for fuel. Biodiesel really clogs up the filters. Someone should tell Elon Musk to make an electric bakkie!
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 21, 2018, 11:37:50 am
Anybody familiar with silverscreen movie streaming?
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Post by: Patrick on June 21, 2018, 12:28:16 pm
If you mean this https://silverscreen.cc/ read this https://www.onlinethreatalerts.com/article/2017/7/11/beware-of-www-silverscreen-cc-it-is-a-fraudulent-online-streaming-website/
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Post by: Bread on June 21, 2018, 05:01:51 pm
Patrick, me lad, is your IC challenge still working 'cos I've been in 156 for 2 days and I've rebooted?
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 21, 2018, 05:12:23 pm
If you mean this https://silverscreen.cc/ read this https://www.onlinethreatalerts.com/article/2017/7/11/beware-of-www-silverscreen-cc-it-is-a-fraudulent-online-streaming-website/

The same yes, pity - I'm bored with Netflix.
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Post by: Nivek on June 22, 2018, 09:02:01 am
cough, kodi+placenta, cough
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Post by: jaDEB on June 22, 2018, 09:49:48 am
People, People I have Netflix Shares Stopp IT !!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 22, 2018, 03:25:55 pm
NPN :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on June 23, 2018, 01:39:27 pm
NPN to the moon, I hope L4L follows
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Post by: Bread on June 23, 2018, 02:28:12 pm
At the risk of worsening your cough, Nivek, please elaborate on your kodi+placenta. While I'm familiar in a bad way with kodi I am clueless about the/it's placenta.
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Post by: Nivek on June 23, 2018, 07:12:58 pm
I've found this helps an irritated throat: https://seo-michael.co.uk/how-to-install-placenta-kodi/
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Post by: Niemand1 on June 25, 2018, 09:08:28 am
fnb
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Post by: Scabenga on June 26, 2018, 11:00:32 am
Hey - Would you all concur that this is the time to sit and wait with your money as there is some serious upheaval with the trade pricing spat !
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Post by: Scabenga on June 26, 2018, 11:01:41 am
Got some cash to purchase but do I wait for the drop and then buy or do you get in as it is 10 year plus outlook.
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Post by: Orca on June 26, 2018, 11:22:11 am
A correction is due but it may take some months as it needs a catalyst to start. For long term I would buy now but only ETF's.
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Post by: Bread on June 26, 2018, 03:50:59 pm
Cool. Thanks, Nivek.
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 26, 2018, 05:03:50 pm
SinCity annual week vaycay, see you next week. 🍸
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Post by: Oversix on June 27, 2018, 09:46:25 am
Looks like a small flash crash atm
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Post by: Patrick on June 27, 2018, 05:39:47 pm
I hope it sticks, I'm buying three times more than my usual amount in a week or so!
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2018, 12:10:55 pm
Can you believe that ETFs are the top 4 ranked players in the challenge!
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Post by: Orca on June 29, 2018, 09:25:20 pm
I see so but sniff sniff not mine.
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Post by: Orca on June 29, 2018, 10:16:47 pm
http://citywire.co.uk/money/invescos-anness-why-im-buying-emerging-markets/a1133914?re=56111&ea=394747&utm_source=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary&utm_medium=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary&utm_campaign=BulkEmail_Money_Daily_Summary
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Post by: Patrick on June 29, 2018, 10:55:55 pm
the numbers should actually be even better. I haven't put their dividends in yet, have to do it manually add I haven't found anywhere to scrape from
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Post by: Bread on June 30, 2018, 06:57:04 am
While you're about it why not put all 52 in rather than leaving them at 30 odd. I'd do it for you but you won't let me :-)
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Post by: Bread on June 30, 2018, 06:58:38 am
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cryptocurrency/266551-bitcoin-bloodbath-many-coins-drop-to-zero.html
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Post by: Bread on June 30, 2018, 11:25:04 am
The danger still lurks......

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-06-29-polony-still-causing-listeriosis-four-months-after-recall/
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Post by: Vishal on July 02, 2018, 03:13:06 pm
viva anc. our shares are worth cr@p!!
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Post by: Bread on July 03, 2018, 05:44:39 am
Patrick, me lad. Things are looking bright. Looks like 4600 is reachable.

https://www.iol.co.za/business-report/opinion/opinion-price-makes-naspers-a-shoo-in-jse-investment-15786506
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Post by: gcr on July 03, 2018, 12:04:18 pm
Hi Administrator - please have a look at the leader board I have been frozen at the same number 188 for a considerable length of time (since just after opening). Maybe the counters prices may not be updating correctly :'(
Regards
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Post by: Patrick on July 03, 2018, 04:58:18 pm
Damn not again. Bloomberg has been giving me hell lately. When I have some time I'll switch to a new provider...
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Post by: Patrick on July 03, 2018, 06:15:08 pm
Okay switched to a google sheets based update, hopefully tomorrow everything will be perfect again...
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Post by: Patrick on July 04, 2018, 09:21:20 am
Phew, it seems to work. As an added bonus, it used to take me 15 minutes to pull all the prices, now it takes 3 seconds!
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 04, 2018, 10:22:26 am
Just another day taking it in your stride.   ;)
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Post by: Hamster on July 04, 2018, 02:49:50 pm
Okay switched to a google sheets based update, hopefully tomorrow everything will be perfect again...

Google Finance listing everything again?
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Post by: Patrick on July 04, 2018, 03:20:21 pm
Yeah pretty much everything I needed was there.
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Post by: Hamster on July 05, 2018, 04:18:23 pm
Yeah pretty much everything I needed was there.

Sweet! I can make use of Google Docs again :)
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Post by: Orca on July 05, 2018, 04:47:59 pm
Cannot access many USA websites anymore. Other websites have annoying pop up cookie policies stuff. Can only see half my screen for ads and cr@p. "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries".
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 05, 2018, 05:02:43 pm
haven't tried - but opera has an inbuilt vpn - might be worth a go
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Post by: Bread on July 05, 2018, 11:31:13 pm
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/2018-07-05-hong-kong-an-option-for-naspers/

Had a look at the ADR share price performance on the NYSE and it's been in a falling wedge since November 2017.
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Post by: Patrick on July 06, 2018, 06:16:22 am
I use opera at work to get to blocked sites all the time, great browser.
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Post by: Orca on July 06, 2018, 09:54:28 am
Opera works. :TU: I can now read the news at Fox.com.
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Post by: Nivek on July 06, 2018, 12:04:23 pm
That's like the US equivalent of ANN7
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Post by: Orca on July 06, 2018, 05:19:51 pm
I was not aware that Fox had a news service but a link took me there but it is geolocked.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 09, 2018, 01:24:54 pm
lol
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Post by: Orca on July 09, 2018, 05:31:43 pm
I knew it was a TV news service. Not a newspaper though. ANN 7 was biased in favour of the ANC. News24 and the Sunday Times is biased against the ANC. Same with FOX news. It depends on your political affiliation to believe in either one.
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Post by: gcr on July 09, 2018, 06:31:36 pm
Well if it's news you want then maybe you need to read the following for SA context:-
IOL;
News24:
Moneyweb:
Business Day;
Daily Maverick:
Mail & Guardian

I access these sites frequently throughout the day and then draw my own conclusions
For fun I read Daily Mail UK for a bit of fun and laughter
For international news (share related) I read London Stock Exchange and Bloomberg.com
 :)
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Post by: prado7 on July 10, 2018, 03:29:37 pm
Gaan Old Mutual aandeelhouers uitgereik word met Quilter aandele
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Post by: Orca on July 10, 2018, 05:26:45 pm
Pretty much what I read and subscribe to as well. Plus some Alex Jones Infowars for fun.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 11, 2018, 08:14:06 am
Hallo CraigT - you've just pushed membership to 3001 :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on July 12, 2018, 06:46:54 pm
Sjoe, made a pretty penny on snh - I hope the uptrend continues.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2018, 12:02:49 pm
3 things
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2018, 12:03:04 pm
Nice Mr Platinum
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2018, 12:04:46 pm
What is Group 5 code on JSE?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2018, 12:05:02 pm
Netflieks results out today
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2018, 12:30:01 pm
got it GRF
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Post by: Oversix on July 16, 2018, 11:11:54 pm
Will we see some bumpy ride on the jse tomorrow?
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Post by: gcr on July 16, 2018, 11:40:18 pm
The JSE has been on a downward spiral since January 25th 2018 - at that date the ALSI hit an all time high of 61580.59 as an index today it closed at 55442.04 a marked retracing in value :'( :'(
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Post by: Patrick on July 17, 2018, 09:45:01 am
@jaDEB, group 5 is GRF, but they're almost a penny share, if they drop another 10c they won't be on the list of shares anymore.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 17, 2018, 03:38:51 pm
My frikkin Netflieks aggghhhhh
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Post by: Bread on July 17, 2018, 05:36:32 pm
Bumpy? NPN went down to 3220 at 09:45 and ended at 3371. Yeah, I'd say that's bumpy.
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Post by: Patrick on July 21, 2018, 06:24:33 pm
Nice discount on my full tank of fuel!
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Post by: Bevan on July 21, 2018, 08:49:17 pm
Nice discount on my full tank of fuel!

Bit of a long way to go though, just to get cheap fuel. You chasing snow?
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Post by: Patrick on July 21, 2018, 09:52:18 pm
Work. I get paid to fly drones around these days. narrowly missed crashing one into a mountain that was far higher than expected. Another lesson learnt for the guide book.
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Post by: Bread on July 22, 2018, 09:21:52 pm
Nice discount on my full tank of fuel!

Bit of a long way to go though, just to get cheap fuel. You chasing snow?

 :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on July 24, 2018, 12:37:58 pm
The bitcoin profile is in profit for the first time this year...
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Post by: ishpat on July 24, 2018, 02:29:21 pm
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Post by: ishpat on July 24, 2018, 02:29:24 pm
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Post by: ishpat on July 24, 2018, 02:30:04 pm
hi patrick can you recommend a top 40 etf?
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Post by: Bevan on July 24, 2018, 04:23:17 pm
The bitcoin profile is in profit for the first time this year...

People love chasing it higher but it's getting a little top heavy now I reckon. This is a fascinating market to watch the ups and down of. Homo Sapiens pure unadulterated FEAR and GREED at its core. It's what we are as a species unfortunately.
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Post by: Patrick on July 25, 2018, 08:07:34 am
@ishpat, in theory all top40 ETFs buy the same shares in the same ration. Just buy the one with the lowest TER!
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Post by: Hamster on July 25, 2018, 11:44:53 am
I believe the Ashburton and Sygnia ones are the cheapest. Ashburton is the one I'd go for if I wanted a top 40.

Still reckon the top 50 from CoreShares is the better one to go for.
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Post by: Orca on July 25, 2018, 08:36:47 pm
I don't know what to call anymore in this strange financial climate. Not even the best expert can make a call nowadays. Things have changed over the past 2 years. I have even stopped the investing challenge. I follow the ZAR for personal reasons and see it at 12.76 by year end if politicians keep their mouths shut. My last call was correct so lets see if I have to eat my jocks with this one.
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Post by: Bevan on July 25, 2018, 09:03:00 pm
I don't know what to call anymore in this strange financial climate....

Extrapolate the rich getting richer and the poor getting left behind. It's not a pretty scene. More and more of the majority of the world is landing up in debt and basic food will start getting vastly more expensive now as almost all economies of scale have been leveraged. Just to get your standard retail loaf of bread requires wheat farmers, truckers, millers, food preservative scientists, branding and marketing people, packaging people, more trucking and retailers. Or you could live in an off-grid community with wheat farmers, millers and bakers. US social security goes bankrupt in 2020. The US itself seems to think it can avoid its more than $20-trn debt, trusting they can just print more and the same old morons will keep buying and rolling their bonds. Interest rates are climbing and inflation is nowhere to be seen. QE has blown most of its gunpowder. Unfortunately we are heading for a huge financial reckoning with years of negative market returns ahead. But we will come out of it a little wiser, more ethical and caring for the planet. The robots will be doing all the work and the government will pay everyone basic income grants. Unfortunately for most this will barely buy hydroponically-grown lettuce and stem-cell grown meat alternatives (yuk), never mind travel the world. Governments will of course get bigger and bigger, when they should really be getting smaller and the people should be more free.
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Post by: Patrick on July 27, 2018, 08:39:34 am
The annual Julia update took place last night: http://www.702.co.za/articles/313098/supersaver-julia-is-back-is-her-already-substantial-nest-egg-still-growing

She's got R4.8m now in SA. I'm a little upset they didn't update her total net worth as she has a near paid up house and some money overseas.
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Post by: ishpat on July 27, 2018, 10:53:21 am
thank you
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Post by: ishpat on July 27, 2018, 11:11:52 am
thank you
. for investing off shore will a S AND P etf  be advisable or the ashburton 1200 will more suitable?
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Post by: ishpat on July 28, 2018, 05:57:33 pm
this question is for patrick
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Post by: Hamster on July 28, 2018, 08:26:37 pm
/sits quietly in corner
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Post by: Patrick on July 29, 2018, 10:13:14 am
Hi ishpat, your best bet is to read what those ETFs invest in and make your own decisions. As someone who isn't a financial adviser I'm not allowed to advise. In my own TFSA I buy STXWDM for offshore.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 30, 2018, 05:29:03 pm
FRikke I Am geTiNG a Hiding :'(
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Post by: Bread on July 31, 2018, 02:38:05 am
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/editorpicks/four-dynamics-that-will-define-south-africa’s-future/ar-BBLe8wd?li=AAaxc0E&ocid=spartanntp

Excellent article written by Stephen Grootes sometime during the afternoon of Monday 30th July 2018.

Perhaps his fourth dynamic, racial inequality and the most powerfully dangerous dynamic of them all, will eventually be our undoing. And sooner rather than later. The Government is actually inadvertently fuelling this through their land-without-compensation roadshows. I watched a bit of some of them and most of the people are very, very angry. And I believe there are dark forces who are watching this and waiting and planning to initiate a civil war. They've probably been planning for a long time already.
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Post by: BussoV6 on July 31, 2018, 01:59:47 pm
I use my credit card quite a bit when traveling overseas. Standard bank have implemented a 2.75% transaction fee. (last year was free).

I think Investec charge 2.5% Anyone know of local banks that don't charge this??
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Post by: Patrick on July 31, 2018, 03:52:14 pm
Capitec, no fee and no spread. It's hard to believe but I've checked it in many countries!
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 31, 2018, 09:16:47 pm
And R55 to draw out cash - not too bad.
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Post by: Patrick on August 01, 2018, 09:15:34 am
How I long for the days when we no longer have bedtime announcements destroying the currency...
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Post by: ishpat on August 01, 2018, 11:06:40 am
thanks  Patrick  I understand
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Post by: gcr on August 01, 2018, 01:11:43 pm
How I long for the days when we no longer have bedtime announcements destroying the currency...
How I long for Cyril the squirrel to grow some 00's - fairly obvious that the NEC is opposed to his leadership
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Post by: Orca on August 06, 2018, 06:59:43 pm
Am I going senile? If a company issues a Trading Statement it means that the HEPS has grown by more than 20% and I thought this was good. Apparently not so. ADI issued a great TS and it fell by 4,5% in seconds. Today it continued its fall by 2,7%. WTF is going on? Have I got things wrong in my head?
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Post by: gcr on August 07, 2018, 11:16:22 am
And yet again a further drop of 2.8%. The single largest shareholder is S Shabalala who holds 9.4% and he is the CEO - must be wondering what he and the company have to do to move the share price positive. Its high over the last 12 months was 1050 so where it is languishing now is way off its high tide mark - however the last few days have represented a buying opportunity
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Post by: Patrick on August 07, 2018, 08:36:57 pm
Are you following Musk's Twitter feed today jaDEB?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 08, 2018, 12:41:12 am
rammstein pumping, wife in turkey, unlimited red wine - how to stop???
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 08, 2018, 12:41:47 am
and playing worl d of war ships
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on August 08, 2018, 01:00:50 am
err, do we ever grow up?
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Post by: Nivek on August 08, 2018, 07:23:46 am
How's the headache Mr Div :D
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Post by: jaDEB on August 08, 2018, 07:53:53 am
@ Mr P, yes. Now trying to figure out if I will be able to stay if he goes Private
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 08, 2018, 09:26:43 am
MrD :D Hope your wore earphones or your neighbors will hate you today.  I used to like their Benzin & Du Hast.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 10, 2018, 09:43:10 am
Ront @ R13.91 (Market never takes holiday)
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Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2018, 11:09:57 am
Is this just Dollar strength?
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Post by: jaDEB on August 10, 2018, 11:12:06 am
Yes- check out USD Turkish Lira. And the ^%$# JSE has no idea where to go.
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Post by: Bevan on August 13, 2018, 07:48:15 am
ZAR getting pummelled in overnight trade. At one point blew out to 15.50 but currently back around 14.50. Seems to be mostly emerging market contagion from Turkey. Man Financial saying risk of major sell-off escalating and only safe play is short end of treasury curve. Same strategy as Buffett lately. Take the 2% yield and preserve cash to buy in after the fall.
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Post by: Mama Anah on August 14, 2018, 05:50:27 pm
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Post by: jaDEB on August 15, 2018, 07:49:28 am
Tiensent bringing out results now now. Hold thumbs ..
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Post by: jaDEB on August 15, 2018, 12:44:02 pm
Eina !!! ???
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 15, 2018, 01:31:21 pm
Dis seer ne? Vat Naspers saam, laagste 300000
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Post by: Oversix on August 16, 2018, 11:58:59 am
Is easy equities down?
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Post by: Oversix on August 16, 2018, 12:00:40 pm
So wierd i called them to follow up on a 30% crash on one of my TFSA and then boom down boy!
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Post by: Oversix on August 16, 2018, 02:31:44 pm
It got fixed not sure who to blame and if it can happen on a smaller scale so people dont notice and gets scammed in the long run
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Post by: Patrick on August 16, 2018, 04:33:35 pm
They're quite good on Twitter if you need to get hold of them urgently.
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Post by: Orca on August 16, 2018, 07:45:26 pm
Why does your nose "run" in English but in Afrikaans it "walks" (loop)?
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Post by: Hamster on August 17, 2018, 08:16:43 am
Why does your nose "run" in English but in Afrikaans it "walks" (loop)?

Want ons is rustig boet... rustig. Wyntjie vir jou?
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Post by: Moneypenny on August 17, 2018, 10:05:57 am
:)
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Post by: gcr on August 17, 2018, 04:18:40 pm
Why does your nose "run" in English but in Afrikaans it "walks" (loop)?
Must have something to do with urgency
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Post by: Bread on August 19, 2018, 06:25:52 pm
Bin doing some interesting analysis in Excel on my Investor Challenge trades. Turns out that if I had used only R100 000 starting from 03 January I would've lost it all by the end of May. So I entered all the shares again using the R100 000 and just 2 simple moving averages which meant trading the shares on different dates but withing the January to May period and managed to turn the 102% loss into a 16.6% gain. So I thought, surely I can do better than that, so I added the ZAR/USD exchange rate which excluded 11 shares and turned the 16.6% into 89.1%. Tried different combinations of indicators, including the popular ones, and still ended up with a loss.

Edit: turned the 16.% into 58.3%
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Post by: Orca on August 20, 2018, 09:05:41 pm
If you replace "W" with "T" in "What, Where and When", you get the answer to each of them.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 21, 2018, 07:56:40 am
Sold Tesla, bought more Netflix
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Post by: gcr on August 22, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
Here's a curiosity which I have difficulty fathoming and I have just picked 2 fairly recent share listings

AYO came to market a little while back and has had a high of R 45.00 and is now trading at R 26.00
SYGNIA - also came to market not too long ago (I hold some of their shares) has had a high of R 14.73 over the last 12 months and is now languishing at R 9.50 - I bought at R 11.88 (all in) so have suffered a paper loss of 20%.

The question I am raising is that these companies come to market with somewhat high hopes/inflated ego's as to what the real worth of their businesses are really worth - surely advisors have some common sense to advise these companies that their expectations are too vaunted
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Post by: Orca on August 22, 2018, 04:17:08 pm
Most companies with less than 70% exposure to the USD fell by 20%. Those above 70% grew positively. I don't recall that percentage. Read that on some news email today or was it Just One Lap?
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Post by: Orca on August 23, 2018, 07:02:39 pm
In lockdown mode here due to high heat and humidity. But not too bad as the peeps in the apartments across the road are entertaining us in their underwear once again.  :TU:
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Post by: jaDEB on August 27, 2018, 11:49:39 am
On again https://www.sanlamitrade.co.za/w/MillionaireChallenge.aspx
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Post by: gcr on August 27, 2018, 02:56:50 pm
Rules have changed slightly. Wonder what tax rate they use for the people who trade Sanlams system and how they are going to manage the tax aspects
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Post by: letlhogonolo on August 30, 2018, 03:27:05 pm
MTN being punished for investing in high risk regions
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Post by: Nivek on August 30, 2018, 04:05:58 pm
That high risk country was probably where all the growth came from, it's just backfired lately. Did I miss something re the rand though today?
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Post by: Orca on August 30, 2018, 04:40:22 pm
EM currency selloff.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on August 31, 2018, 09:05:42 am
Haha. The US is currently in the longest bull market in history.
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Post by: Bread on September 02, 2018, 08:13:23 am
That will end when/if my man Trump is impeached or his 1st/2nd term ends.
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Post by: Patrick on September 04, 2018, 09:54:10 am
Back at R15/$ :(
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Post by: gcr on September 04, 2018, 04:32:44 pm
Yesterday my sister enquired on the Rand/Pound exchange rate 19.01 today 19.705
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Post by: letlhogonolo on September 04, 2018, 07:29:25 pm
MTN are playing with fire investing in countries like Nigeria, Iran, Syria, etc.
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Post by: Daybad on September 05, 2018, 12:13:36 pm
standard
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Post by: Oversix on September 06, 2018, 11:14:34 am
I feel the US markets are going to turn red today amd drag us down at 15:00
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Post by: jaDEB on September 06, 2018, 11:37:25 am
Maybe not :) Netflieks Pre-market 344,77 +3,59 (1,05%)
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Post by: Oversix on September 06, 2018, 12:27:15 pm
Tencent not doing so great, and naspers has broken its support to the down side
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Post by: Patrick on September 10, 2018, 12:28:31 pm
The US ETF on top, world ETF in second place. I'm really glad my full TFSA allocation is in Satrix world...
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Post by: Bread on September 10, 2018, 01:06:43 pm
What??? No movement from the Rand after allegations of a plot to oust President Ramaphosa by ol' Zuma himself?
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Post by: Nivek on September 10, 2018, 02:00:34 pm
Zuma is a very broke lame duck. He's no danger anymore.
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Post by: gcr on September 10, 2018, 02:44:43 pm
Zuma is a very broke lame duck. He's no danger anymore.
Never underestimate a desperate and vile character person - their motivation is sheer revenge, and assuming unwarranted power 
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Post by: Orca on September 11, 2018, 09:40:32 am
Zuma and his mates are desperately grasping at straws to stay out of jail as the net closes in on them.
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Post by: Patrick on September 11, 2018, 11:55:20 am
That's the way I see it too. This comission seems to be getting great information.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 13, 2018, 02:27:39 pm
All I see is all they do is talk - till 2019 elections. Nothing is happening
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Post by: Maurice on September 16, 2018, 11:05:24 am
Patrick do you know the codes for JSE Indices I am looking for ALSI FINDI or a complete list?
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Post by: Maurice on September 16, 2018, 11:05:25 am
Patrick do you know the codes for JSE Indices I am looking for ALSI FINDI or a complete list?
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Post by: Maurice on September 16, 2018, 11:06:18 am
It is the google finance codes I am looking for I can get them the shares.
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Post by: Patrick on September 17, 2018, 08:19:58 am
No idea how to get it on google, but for bloomberg it's here: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/JALSH:IND
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Post by: Maurice on September 17, 2018, 09:34:39 am
Thanks Patrick does anyone know how to pull that into google sheets?
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Post by: Patrick on September 17, 2018, 12:27:09 pm
Try this in the cell: =IMPORTXML("https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/JALSH:IND","//span[@class='priceText__1853e8a5']")
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Post by: jaDEB on September 17, 2018, 01:15:02 pm
APN & MTN - Frikkin hell . . . . .
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Post by: Maurice on September 17, 2018, 02:23:12 pm
Thanks Patrick that worked.
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Post by: Orca on September 20, 2018, 02:14:55 pm
Q on steroids?
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Post by: Patrick on September 20, 2018, 03:47:08 pm
Winning is like a drug hey Q.
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Post by: jaDEB on September 20, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
also playing the tradeamillion, loosing my pant :(
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Post by: Orca on September 20, 2018, 07:17:41 pm
Perhaps we will see zar at sub R14 as early as tomorrow.
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Post by: gcr on September 21, 2018, 12:55:57 pm
Hi Patrick - Libstar (LBR) does not appear on the listing of shares which can be purchased/sold - is this an omission or is it not available due its price limits
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Post by: Patrick on September 21, 2018, 06:49:36 pm
It's not a penny share, so it could qualify. The other criteria is that it trades a minimum of 16 times a day. Any idea if it meets that?
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Post by: Orca on September 21, 2018, 07:40:19 pm
Strange why FX traders sold the ZAR after Ramaphosa's stimulus speech. I don't understand traders anymore.
LBR has over 100 trades per day but is locked in a long downtrend with no reversal in sight. I may not always be wrong but I have never yet been correct.
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Post by: Oversix on September 25, 2018, 12:11:47 pm
Im doing the EE ZAR account to the EE USD account, the rand to doller is about 2.5% more if i compare it to news24 rand/doller
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Post by: Oversix on September 25, 2018, 12:31:12 pm
So far betting on sa resource 15 payed off on my TFSA, up by 25% from 2018/04/13.
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Post by: gcr on September 25, 2018, 02:40:04 pm
App - Here's a challenge to all those who play around and create apps. I pick my grandchild up one week day each week and the road (was dual direction in the early days) in front of the school is now single direction with a number of diagonal parking bays have been demarcated for parents and grandparents to park awaiting the children's release from school. Every time I go to collect the youngster I have to be selective in choosing a bay as the parkers of vehicles are parked so poorly that probably 10% - 15% can't be used.
Can someone develop an app to assist the mothers and grandmothers (predominantly - but there are some male persons who also experience difficulty in parking) to park their >:D vehicles correctly in these bays. Maybe the app can be used in conjunction with a transponder to ensure accuracy of parking

Any ideas and a solution would be most gratifying   >:D >:D :LHST:
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Post by: Q on September 26, 2018, 11:14:40 am
Guess who Cracked the Sanlam #iTradeWithAMillion Competition Top 10
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Post by: Moneypenny on September 26, 2018, 04:36:07 pm
You? :)
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Post by: Q on September 26, 2018, 05:01:31 pm
Yeah, the POZI Gods are favouring me today
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Post by: Orca on September 26, 2018, 07:36:16 pm
We have no proof that it is you. :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on September 27, 2018, 10:51:57 am
Can you explain this : Everybody is the same age this year. Your age plus your year of birth equals 2018. Only happens once every 1000 years. Happy Birthday
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Post by: brad on September 27, 2018, 11:30:52 am
You wrong Orca.Every year is the same.Last year if you added your age and your date of birth it would give you 2017. :))
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Post by: Orca on September 27, 2018, 03:21:41 pm
 :TU: Not many people will try to work that one out. They just take your word for it.
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Post by: Oversix on September 27, 2018, 04:08:36 pm
Ah it only works on one day of the year, dec 31. So if your birthday still coming up this year then its 2017
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Post by: Q on September 28, 2018, 01:11:15 pm
It appears the leader MJ with a profit of R1.7M has been disqualified from the #iTradeWithAMillion
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Post by: gcr on September 28, 2018, 04:13:57 pm
And when does the competition finish December sometime?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 01, 2018, 11:00:14 am
at Q - Nice awesome, hope u win . . We notice that a few of the leaders traded in instruments not on the JSE Top 40 or Dow Jones 30 lists. They will be disqualified. Please make sure you understand the Terms And Conditions.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 01, 2018, 03:23:40 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 02, 2018, 04:45:18 pm
WHat IS haPpeNIng wiff CML ?
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Post by: gcr on October 03, 2018, 09:20:21 am
WHat IS haPpeNIng wiff CML ?
Nelson handed over the reins and now is merely a director
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Post by: Moonraker on October 04, 2018, 10:31:54 am
The Institute for Supply Management's (ISM) non-manufacturing activity index jumped 3.1 points to 61.6 last month, the highest reading since August 1997 and the ADP National Employment Report showed private payrolls jumped by 230,000 jobs in September, the largest gain since February.  The spike in U.S. yields also pulled the gap between ten-year benchmarks between the United States and Germany to its highest in nearly three decades at 274 basis points and boosted the prospects of more rate hikes from the F
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Post by: Bread on October 04, 2018, 06:29:50 pm
GO TRUMP, YOU BISCUIT!!!
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Post by: Patrick on October 05, 2018, 05:39:39 pm
Having a great time on holiday. Nobody told me how absolutely beautiful Seville is. Blown away. Normal viewing will return in a couple of weeks.
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Post by: Bevan on October 05, 2018, 09:55:25 pm
Awesome Patrick, try get to Cordoba as well. Was the cradle of civilisation at one point. The Moors were really on top of things at one point in history.
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Post by: Datura on October 08, 2018, 09:24:17 am
The autonomous regions in Spain are just insanely breath taking.  Enjoy the hell out of it.  The country side and magnificent architecture married with the rich culture is just a wonder to absorb...
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Post by: letlhogonolo on October 08, 2018, 03:41:35 pm
? Q
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Post by: gcr on October 08, 2018, 04:13:37 pm
4Q  :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on October 08, 2018, 07:17:11 pm
Found out the other day my step son's dad is emigrating to Spain. He's actually French and can speak French fluently even though he's been here most of his life so I couldn't understand why he chose Spain. But apparently beachfront houses are cheaper there so......
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Post by: gcr on October 08, 2018, 09:59:48 pm
Just having a look at our exchanges performance today as they say it is currently the lowest it has been for some time. My records show that on 16/04/2015 the Alsi was 54262.27 and the T40 was at 48003.52

The amount of political noise in our markets is certainly hurting all investors local and foreign.
The Reserve Bank used to publish inflows/outflow into/leaving our economy/market are these figures still published - used to be monthly - anybody know?
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Post by: jaDEB on October 09, 2018, 07:35:21 am
Nice :) at Griffin . . .stay there :)
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Post by: Orca on October 09, 2018, 06:11:05 pm
Bread. If your step son's dad is married to a SA citizen and moved back to France then his wife will need a visa to visit any other EU country. Relocating to Spain will relieve the wife of having visas bc France will apply domestic law and Spain will apply EU law to the residency. Many older people in Spain and even here in Portugal speak French as it was a second language.
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Post by: Oversix on October 10, 2018, 05:11:26 pm
We all fall down, Asli moved pass its 200 MA
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2018, 07:58:36 am
:'(
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Post by: Patrick on October 11, 2018, 10:14:18 am
Anyone else thinking it's looking like buying time? I have some cash due to clear in a few days...
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Post by: letlhogonolo on October 11, 2018, 10:43:20 am
What looks good and cheap?
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Post by: Orca on October 11, 2018, 11:25:59 am
Nothing yet. I get daily market views from my bank and today it says that we may be in a "corectomento" mode with US and Asian stocks tumbling. I would wait and see.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 11, 2018, 11:55:58 am
Yoh the markets are hurting..
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Post by: gcr on October 11, 2018, 03:41:57 pm
Anyone else thinking it's looking like buying time? I have some cash due to clear in a few days...


Patrick - my view is buy in smallish parcels of shares that you are interested in. Just remember that if your order is not filled and you roll it over you will be charged brokerage based on each days deals.
If you are placing your orders via a broker and not buying/selling live across their platform you may be able to swing it that he/she buy/sells during the broker window 08:50 - 9:00 a.m. and 17:00 - 17:10 p.m. daily
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Post by: Bevan on October 15, 2018, 07:02:52 am
Anyone else thinking it's looking like buying time? I have some cash due to clear in a few days...

Remember the crash of 2008 began in Oct / Nov 2007.... I'm seeing similar patterns in monthly and weekly momentum now. Of course we could pull out of it but then again, when the US finally has to face its debt mountain, the financial world will implode. Trump is trying to grow his way out of the problem but its having knock-on effects around the planet. Everything is inter-connected now and when the US goes down it will take everything with it.

The gold bugs are starting to froth at the mouth again....  :) On another note, I appear to be losing more than my entire capital on the leaderboard. Something is seriously up with the feed for the NewWave USD:ZAR Currency ETN.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2018, 07:37:58 am
Netflix :) the third quarter brought Netflix’s customer base to 137 million worldwide
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2018, 11:07:34 am
Sanlam ITrade comp is a joke.leader has made 9m profit using only allowed shares...Griffin, beat him NOW !!!
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 11:32:10 am
lol
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 11:38:24 am
On the 15/10 the 10th placed person had profit of R650k, there is absolutely NO WAY 1st place could have made 1460% trading within the rules when doing a calculation that way
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 11:41:13 am
Thanks JADEB, will try my best, weed does help. Waiting for the latest Top 10 this morning. Doubt the 9 Million person will still be there
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 11:59:44 am
The Battle, US10YR vs Stocks Tonight 20h00
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 12:17:25 pm
lol R9.5 Million man is GONE
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 12:18:16 pm
I'm 2nd
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 12:18:53 pm
https://www.sanlamitrade.co.za/w/millionairechallenge.aspx
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Post by: Bevan on October 17, 2018, 12:26:29 pm
uh Patrick, can you check out the price feed for the NewWave USD currency ETN please.... I seem to have lost all my capital in the comp as price has gone to zero...
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 01:00:45 pm
Apparently the Saudis cut up Khashoggi in their embassy while he was still alive
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Post by: Orca on October 17, 2018, 02:39:14 pm
Their excuse would be that they had to keep to the Halal method.
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Post by: Q on October 17, 2018, 07:48:17 pm
SNH going to fly tomorrow, Up & Beyond
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Post by: Patrick on October 18, 2018, 01:35:55 am
I'll check it out Bevan.
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Post by: Patrick on October 18, 2018, 01:56:49 am
fixed, google finance stopped listing newusd, so I switched to bloomberg for that one.
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Post by: Q on October 18, 2018, 09:22:45 am
SNH +7% /  My PONZI Sangoma was correct
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Post by: Orca on October 18, 2018, 10:53:00 am
To access my e filing do I need Adobe Reader or Adobe Flash Player?
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Post by: Q on October 18, 2018, 11:03:54 am
SNH + 12%
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Post by: Q on October 18, 2018, 11:06:23 am
'Q, What do you want for Christmas? Steinhoff Shares, lol
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Post by: jaDEB on October 18, 2018, 11:25:19 am
Griffin ?
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Post by: Q on October 18, 2018, 11:42:25 am
Wasup
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Post by: jaDEB on October 18, 2018, 12:19:40 pm
U SECOND AgaiN ... NiCE. I IS rooTing For u
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Post by: Q on October 18, 2018, 12:54:12 pm
yeah, went out came home and saw I took a loss of R400k on IBM
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Post by: tmsf12 on October 18, 2018, 12:59:59 pm
To access my e filing do I need Adobe Reader or Adobe Flash Player?

Adobe Flash Player
I don't use Adobe Reader and I was able to complete my e-filing.  I think I used Chrome because the site may have issues with Firefox.

Foxit Reader is a good alternative to Acrobat Reader.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 18, 2018, 02:01:31 pm
Use Explorer not CHrome. Then it works, I had the same problem
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Post by: Bread on October 18, 2018, 07:57:08 pm
Their excuse would be that they had to keep to the Halal method.

 :D
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Post by: Orca on October 19, 2018, 11:56:32 am
E-filing can only be accessed with Adobe and I have tried Chrome and Edge and they would not allow me to open any docs. Perhaps it is my foreign IP address. Next year they will be replacing Adobe with HTML15 or something.....at a cost of R1 Billion. :money:
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Post by: gcr on October 19, 2018, 03:27:24 pm
Well I wouldn't bank on that, given the idiot female running their IT operation. It was fairly obvious from her interview recently not only does she not know what to do with her paper packet, she doesn't even know it has an opening at one end :LHST:
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Post by: Datura on October 20, 2018, 09:24:28 am
No system costs 1Billion.  My E-Filing was completely stuffed.  I have spent the last week on the phone wit the very cool call center staff but they are simply out of their depth with the complexities caused by the snowball effect of implementing broken software.
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Post by: Datura on October 20, 2018, 09:28:15 am
All comes down to cutting corners when it comes to user acceptance and quality assurance testing being done.  I have worked on systems that are twice the size and complexity of those required by any Bank or SARS and never saw a PO for over a quarter of a billion.
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Post by: Datura on October 20, 2018, 09:28:24 am
Thieves.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 21, 2018, 09:51:15 pm
SARS/AnyGovermentJob is out of whack when it comes to reality, we do some goverment contracts for software. It's absolutely mind boggling what some of these companies make.
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Post by: willemm on October 22, 2018, 01:00:36 pm
ag nee, not this
 :wall:
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Post by: Patrick on October 23, 2018, 07:57:35 am
I'm back :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 23, 2018, 02:29:10 pm
Arnold, is that you :)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 23, 2018, 02:30:30 pm
October 31 2008 marked the birth of bitcoin. Ten years on, the world's first cryptocurrency is at the forefront of a complex financial system viewed warily by markets and investors
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Post by: Patrick on October 23, 2018, 03:18:39 pm
Arnold, hahaha
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Post by: jaDEB on October 24, 2018, 12:06:10 pm
Frikkie maar ek kry pakslaa :'(
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Post by: Oversix on October 25, 2018, 09:21:09 am
If SA markets dont turn soon we going to see more blood
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 25, 2018, 09:49:19 am
Blood is good, I want to buy stuff on the low. (we need a bear market, it's been a decade since the last one.)
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Post by: Orca on October 25, 2018, 03:05:03 pm
The ALSI has slipped by 20% in the past 9 months. The TOPI has done nothing in over 4 years. In my book that is called a correction. We should see a bottom soon and then up again at last.
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Post by: Patrick on October 25, 2018, 03:39:07 pm
I'm looking at switching from an Irish ETF to a US ETF for part of my holdings, if we drop another 12% I won't need to pay CGT to do it!
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 25, 2018, 11:02:22 pm
Through who?
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Post by: Patrick on October 26, 2018, 10:05:06 am
All through interactive brokers. I just found out that the irish fund tax credits don't count in SA, while the US ones will :(
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Post by: Bevan on October 29, 2018, 08:56:06 am
Blood is good, I want to buy stuff on the low. (we need a bear market, it's been a decade since the last one.)

As Orca says, SA has been in a bear market of late. SA typically runs counter-trend to other markets with Rand hedge effects as well. I expect US and European markets to keep taking some hits for a while, whilst SA stocks should find some support quite soon. The pro-business Ramaphosa approach should also start having an impact within about 6 months, freeing up investment capital and growth in SA markets.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 30, 2018, 09:53:26 am
Wow, my gains for the year have been wiped out on US stocks! Good time to invest a bunch more I guess! Will watch for the end of this correction, but what do you guys think? Wait for the US midterm elections to settle first before piling more bucks into that?
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Post by: Bevan on October 30, 2018, 09:58:07 am
The 2008 crash started in late 2007 as confidence slowly started being eroded, leading to a mass exodus. Whilst I don't think we're going to see a crash just yet, I wouldn't be piling into the market right now. Things have changed dramatically over the last year with US interest rates. High rate environments chase money out of stock markets. The professional money has been leaving while widows, orphans, dentists and shoe-shiners have been trying to prop up the market lately. We are a long way from capitulation still...
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on October 30, 2018, 10:39:35 am
Yeah interesting. Always a risk so I guess it'll be a steady and watchful stream instead of piling in..
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Post by: gcr on October 30, 2018, 11:46:16 am
Markets move in cycles and have done ever since I started investing in 1967 when I started work - in '69 Retco and Glenanil took our market down significantly - we have had many corrections as well. The 2007/8 market drop cost me about R .5 million in 4 months - this latest correction in SA started in about January and my holdings have been reduced by a similar amount to date. This latest movement stems to my mind purely on political infractions which has had a severe effect on the economy and the constant reference to EWC to such an extent that farmers are not planting full harvest as they don't want to borrow funds to plant and fertilise if their farms are at risk. This non committal by farmers in the long run could have serious repercussions on food supplier; inflation, wages and government spending. Buying and selling shares/ETF is a very patient operation and I think that currently what is happening is that the speculators and the buy on overdraft brigade are being shaken out of the market 
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Post by: Bevan on October 31, 2018, 10:00:06 am
Agree with gcr. SA only really has room to move upwards from here, after next year's elections. But we could end up becoming a net food importer and that will cost us dearly. Global equity markets should see a nice bounce this week and perhaps next week too, but we are not out the woods yet. Trump's trade rhetoric, US debt issues and bond market wobbles have all seen cash fleeing equities so that markets will likely end in the red this year. However, I reckon best Xmas presents will be equities as next year should see a nice recovery, albeit not shooting the lights out.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on October 31, 2018, 12:45:38 pm
I don't think people realize how deeply fcked our countries infrastructure really is. Without an outside country (China/Russia) steps in I dont see the ANC having the ability to turn the boat around and the DA will never govern nationally so that option is out.
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Post by: willemm on November 01, 2018, 10:40:51 am
now Hamster can finally log in to his EE account and not be irritated by the big red section with the account value :)
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Post by: chopdat09 on November 01, 2018, 11:56:40 am
HI

Im Wanting to start investing offshore with either Degiro or interactive brokers. What bank account is best / accepted? Any advice will be appreciated.

p.s sending money to an offshore account is no problem as i have a UAE bank account
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Post by: Datura on November 01, 2018, 12:13:45 pm
Dumped everything yesterday and pumped it all into NPN.  Fun begins...
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Post by: Datura on November 01, 2018, 12:19:19 pm
We have a bank account setup in Puerto Rico that we use to invest in property development projects in the States.    Pain in the right royal arse to setup but worth the effort.  
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on November 01, 2018, 02:05:41 pm
NPN is life
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Post by: Orca on November 01, 2018, 03:32:24 pm
Investors scooping up "Red October Crash" bargains and not only on the JSE.
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Post by: jaDEB on November 01, 2018, 05:52:58 pm
I am glad I am recovering, NPN/10C & NFLX. Imagine u shorted NPN or Tiensent...
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Post by: Bread on November 01, 2018, 08:13:35 pm
And as of 1pm New York time the NPSNY is up 11.89%

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/companies-and-deals/naspers-jumps-most-since-2014-on-double-boost-from-msci-tencent/
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Post by: Nivek on November 02, 2018, 12:59:16 pm
Imagine if you put it all in NPN a week ago! My crystal ball is useless :(
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Post by: Fanus on November 08, 2018, 11:12:39 am
npn
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Post by: Oversix on November 09, 2018, 11:20:44 am
Top 40 is heading for a crash setup
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Post by: gcr on November 09, 2018, 11:45:42 am
Top 40 is heading for a crash setup
So what should we do with your unique knowledge - sell out our portfolios or open the bunker doors and hibernate? :wtf:
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Post by: Oversix on November 09, 2018, 11:59:24 am
Haha, if the low that was made on 25/10/2018 is taken out, we all in for blood. Just hope it makes a double bottom and heads back up!
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Post by: Oversix on November 09, 2018, 12:05:43 pm
Double bottom setup will put us back close to new highs. So atm it can be 50/50, but how i feel about the markets is very bearish.
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Post by: Oversix on November 09, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
Atm Im holding 77% cash and 23% in shares.
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Post by: Orca on November 09, 2018, 12:19:58 pm
It is quite normal for profit taking to happen after a short bull run.
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Post by: gcr on November 09, 2018, 02:40:21 pm
Oversix - I have recorded ALSI and T40 highs (not daily just when they have achieved highs) the current ALSI was sitting 52310.70 and the T40 47115.55 and these were the new highs on 29/07/2014 - so if related to todays values we have experienced a significant pull back already, so we would need a significant event to destruct our bourse - what is that event likely to be, I have no idea but the politicians have been pretty good at destroying wealth in this country. I think the event may only come next year when Cyril the squirrel gets in but with a reduced a majority and we see some prosecutions of a number of politicians and get some money back for the taxpayers - jail would be a good alternative as a disincentive for other politicians   
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Post by: Bevan on November 10, 2018, 08:46:42 am
Top 40 is heading for a crash setup

Doubt it. Market already quite oversold and recent profit-taking hasn't even hit the 50% retracement level of last week's move. Medium term momentum is going into positive territory. So not exactly boom or bust, better to sit on interest-earning liquid bonds for now.

But watch Nassim Taleb on youtube about how the system is more fragile now than in 2007 going into GFC. Couldn't agree with him more. All that QE has found its way into the market. Household debt has become corporate and government debt now, and interest rates are starting to push up fast around the world. No nation in history has even been able to handle an excessive debt bubble and the US is not immune, even though they have the world's reserve currency. The GFC led to an excessive widening between rich and poor as the rich milked the system on easy money. Expect a levelling pretty soon with property (especially high-end) coming in for some of the earliest and biggest knocks. Then the markets will of course bleed. What we've seen so far is just early jitters from the professional community. But the dumb money and tracker funds have all kept investing, keeping a bottom under the market.

The global crash is coming although it's impossible to tell when. Meanwhile, best to keep watching momentum for those early signals....
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Post by: jaDEB on November 14, 2018, 07:42:13 am
Tiensent out wiff results today. Nervous
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Post by: jaDEB on November 14, 2018, 03:48:13 pm
:)
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Post by: Moonraker on November 14, 2018, 06:43:37 pm
https://www.marketscreener.com/TENCENT-HOLDINGS-LTD-3045861/news/Tencent-Posts-Solid-Earnings-But-China-s-Game-Freeze-Clouds-Future-Update-27606243/
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Post by: yozzi on November 18, 2018, 08:08:19 pm
It is quite normal for profit taking to happen after a short bull run.

Orca, are you still invested in CML?

Is it a buy at the present price and what's the outlook?
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Post by: Orca on November 19, 2018, 10:25:52 am
No yozzi. I make a point of not looking at stocks I have sold. I sold at around R87.00 and have no wish to know the price now.
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Post by: yozzi on November 20, 2018, 10:58:25 am
No yozzi. I make a point of not looking at stocks I have sold. I sold at around R87.00 and have no wish to know the price now.

Good decision to sell Orca, it's half that price now!
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Post by: jaDEB on November 20, 2018, 04:29:15 pm
ohh lovely !!!! %$#@#
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Post by: Orca on November 20, 2018, 08:57:09 pm
Seems we have broken below the end Oct support level so a double bottom may be in the pipeline. With the zar drop plus the ALSI drop, it adds to about 4% today. This is bad.
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Post by: gcr on November 22, 2018, 10:14:31 am
Hi Patrick - Imperial have split out Motus out of the holding company today, are you looking to effect the split on the challenge board over the next couple of days? I hold Imperial so is somewhat of a self interest matter
Ta
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Post by: Patrick on November 23, 2018, 08:34:18 am
Looking at the sens now. Tell me if this is right. There's a name change from holdings to logistics, but the share code stays IPL right? And then for each IPL you hold you get 1 MTH, but what I can't figure out, is when you need to be holding the shares to get that, what is the cutoff date?
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Post by: gcr on November 23, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
Hi Patrick - the split was effected on Thursday (yesterday). You are right for each Imperial share (IPL) you got 1 Motus (MTH) share. There was a sens announcement 17/9/2018 regarding the unbundling of Motus - according to the same sens last day to trade to be eligible fot participate in the unbundling 21st November 2018

Hope that helps
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2018, 09:52:35 am
Graham, you were the only person holding imperial, so I added the motus shares for you manually. Could you double check that all is in order.
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Post by: Oversix on November 26, 2018, 12:40:26 pm
Alsi looks like it bounced, know its to see if it can keep going. Some news events in the usa coming out this week, lets hope its some good news.
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Post by: gcr on November 26, 2018, 07:16:04 pm
Hi Patrick - Motus does show in my portfolio - Thanks. The drop in price of Imperial does seem to mirror my personal portfolio but I think there is still some shaking out to be done as according to my personal portfolio there is no cost associated with buying Motus
Will revert in need at a later stage if circumstances change
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Post by: Patrick on November 27, 2018, 10:36:50 am
Sure. The costs didn't come out of your portfolio, but they would have come out of the share price of imperial. I imagine there would be a base cost in your personal portfolio, otherwise you would show 100% profit on selling one day and pay huge CGT.
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Post by: gcr on November 27, 2018, 11:43:15 am
Looking at my portfolio it now shows a cost of 1 Imperial share at R 97.20 against a current trading price of R 63.18. On the other hand Motus is now showing a unit cost of R 143.39 against a trading price of R 94.14 so in essence shareholders suffered a loss in unbundling.
Seems that it was not a widely accepted unbundling move - I will have to speak to my ex banker colleagues to find out why they got it so wrong
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Post by: SirDieALot on December 03, 2018, 04:12:58 pm
does someone have link to site that compares tax free savings accounts? Like on costs and interest rate.
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Post by: Patrick on December 03, 2018, 04:16:29 pm
No but I personally think the way to go is with easy equities. It used to be ABSA but they aren't trustworthy.
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Post by: Oversix on December 03, 2018, 05:10:31 pm
There some big gabs in the markets, makes you think when they going to be filled
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Post by: gcr on December 03, 2018, 10:02:02 pm
No but I personally think the way to go is with easy equities. It used to be ABSA but they aren't trustworthy.
Wow so you are a supporter of Markie Barnes then!!
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Post by: Patrick on December 04, 2018, 10:48:36 am
In terms of easy equities yes, in terms of the post office no!
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Post by: SirDieALot on December 04, 2018, 11:14:50 am
thanks i will have a look at them :D
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Post by: Orca on December 06, 2018, 03:00:28 pm
 FTSE tumbles 2.3% / Emerging markets rebound - Citywire investments today.  :wtf:
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Post by: Patrick on December 07, 2018, 09:59:39 am
I was at Simon Brown JSE talk light night with the year end wrap up and predictions for the future. He still thinks the rand could hit R10/$, at the very leaast sub R11. The big danger is eskom.
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Post by: Bevan on December 07, 2018, 10:41:31 am
When? You gotta love prophets who don't clarify their predictions.  :)

Personally I agree we will get back to around 10 on USD, but in around 2-3 years time. For now we are more likely to bounce around the 14 - 15 level, until elections and the Eskom crisis is over. The silver lining with Eskom could hopefully be that we see it break up into generation - transmission - distribution, and we get a deregulated power market, and steadily falling prices.... Wow, that would be nice, and we could finally join the developing world with a free market.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 10, 2018, 09:44:19 am
It's gonna be years before Eskom is sorted out. It has already begun, but it might end up worse-off for the consumer ito pricing. We have it easy right now imo..

The US markets have really messed up my festive period! This week is surely going to see more selling off, just heavy...
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Post by: Moonraker on December 21, 2018, 10:57:49 am
12/21/2018 | 06:16am GMT
By Shan Li

Shares of Tencent Holdings Ltd. climbed Friday after a regulator was quoted in Chinese media as saying the first batch of new videogames would be given the green light soon, signaling an end to a crippling approvals freeze.

The first group of games have been reviewed and publication numbers, which companies need before they can charge money for a game, will be approved soon, according to local reports citing Feng Shixin, deputy director of the Propaganda Department's copyright bureau. Mr. Feng announced the news Friday at the 2018 China Game Industry Annual Meeting in Hainan province.
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Post by: Andrew Giantmam on December 23, 2018, 03:44:35 pm
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Post by: Andrew Giantmam on December 23, 2018, 03:45:49 pm
Compliments of the season to all members
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Post by: Nivek on December 23, 2018, 06:56:56 pm
you too Andrew
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Post by: Andrew Giantmam on December 30, 2018, 05:58:02 pm
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Post by: Orca on December 31, 2018, 11:00:33 am
Andrew ran out of ink.
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 12:59:27 am
Okay so it's time to talk about the contest. This year I've launched a US based competition for a few reasons: 1) the number of players of the SA version has been shrinking every year 2) Investing globally is in my view a better idea than investing just in SA inc. 3) I'm hoping to get more people playing the new game.
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 12:59:42 am
The international version can be found here: https://theinvestorchallenge.com
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 01:00:05 am
The big question I have now is should I still keep the SA version or should I kill it off?
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 01:00:39 am
Either way the blog will stay and continue to be updated here. I'll also keep the historical scorecards.
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 01:00:45 am
Any thoughts?
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Post by: Jay on January 02, 2019, 07:13:37 am
Please do not stop the SA website!
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Post by: 100ways on January 02, 2019, 10:34:29 am
NO Don't kill it keep it up :-)
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Post by: Bread on January 02, 2019, 12:42:00 pm
Andrew ran out of ink.

 :D
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Post by: gcr on January 02, 2019, 02:52:20 pm
Patrick - as an age old competitor on your site, I don't think it prudent to kill the SA competition, you may however want to reconsider some of the parameters of the game i.e.:-
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Post by: 100ways on January 02, 2019, 03:36:17 pm
Agree with the above, be much better :TU:
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on January 02, 2019, 04:39:13 pm
I think the numbers dropping off has a lot to do with lackluster returns on the JSE - as JSE's own volume figures would indicate. Great idea on the S&P comp. Although it's a competition, I really compete against the ETF's - GCR all you will find is that someone will put R1.2mill into ellies or something of that nature - it will still bug you! BTW 2018 link does not work. All the best for the year. Will be heading to the UK for good this year, so packing and selling the order of the day - interspersed with mountains of paperwork.
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Post by: Orca on January 02, 2019, 06:13:37 pm
#Mr. Divi. If I remember correctly either you or your wife has a UK passport. Am I correct?
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2019, 08:21:56 pm
Thanks for the input so far everyone. I'll keep the SA comp running for this year then. @GCR, thanks for the input, I've already covered point 4, unless I've made a mistake somewhere it is holdings + cash - tax to get the leaderboard. I'd be happy to try the rest but maybe I should put it them to a vote in a blog post about the comp soon.

@Mr Div, 2018 ink should be fixed now.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on January 03, 2019, 08:29:31 am
Hi Orca - how is Wales treating you? Yes, I am a citizen - maddingly though, you, with a EU passport, got in easier - although looks like you timed it to perfection as I am sure rules will change. Will be living on the coastline in the south - probably Eastbourne - but flexible. Trying to squeeze as much sunshine as we can get :) Cheers for that Patrick
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Post by: gcr on January 03, 2019, 08:42:23 am
I think the numbers dropping off has a lot to do with lackluster returns on the JSE - as JSE's own volume figures would indicate. Great idea on the S&P comp. Although it's a competition, I really compete against the ETF's - GCR all you will find is that someone will put R1.2mill into ellies or something of that nature - it will still bug you! BTW 2018 link does not work. All the best for the year. Will be heading to the UK for good this year, so packing and selling the order of the day - interspersed with mountains of paperwork.
Or you could invest in another Steinhoff and lose it all :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on January 03, 2019, 10:03:09 pm
Hey Mr Divi. I have not yet relocated to the UK and it will not be Wales. It will be the Garden of Eden known as the Cotswold. Cirencester is the capital and we are in the process of buying a home with our daughter who insists on us living with her should we perhaps get old.

You, as a UK national and a non EU wife will have problems relocating your wife to the UK. Very much more than I will as a non Brit. I can explain it all on my blog if you wish.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 07, 2019, 03:13:07 pm
Who the hell is strengthening the rant !!! !! Dammit
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Post by: Patrick on January 09, 2019, 09:14:45 am
I don't know, but I hope they continue :)
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 10, 2019, 09:28:40 am
I have electronics I want to buy, so stronger rand helps me :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 10, 2019, 01:39:48 pm
More drones?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 11, 2019, 08:47:29 am
Soooo... how is everybody? :)
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Post by: Nivek on January 11, 2019, 09:40:18 am
Good this side. Have you moved overseas?
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 11, 2019, 11:36:59 am
Good to hear  :TU: - with regards to move - It’s been one hell of a journey so far but after 3 Lever Archer files of red tape/admin, 90K and 14 months later, we received visa just before Christmas, going in 40-odd days to set-up/look-see (we’re colonizing so-to-speak, expanding established SA-companies over there which is fun as well as daunting).  But yes, not easy, back in 2008 we were wined and dined first class all the way to UK for move, this time we had to proof over and over that we can walk on water whilst jumping through fire-hoops at the same time, which I can sort of understand. Absolutely zero trust in anything (from university degrees – which are not accepted unconditionally after 2010 -  yes, all SA uni’s or even school IB Senior Cert – yes again, I know school teacher/principal says it’s ‘international baccalaureate’ - overseas government says if it says Umalusi or SA Government on certificate it is not ‘international’. For them international means an overseas company/school visits SA with their examination papers, overseas staff physically supervise day of exam, and they mark and grade overseas, that’s international to them. Some institution like CIMA – no problem, they accept but same principle applies. So, the long and the short of it, they only accept partially, - still have to do a bridging course at overseas school/uni for few months to years – they decide after they test you and your SA uni degree or IB Cert. Just saying, do your homework first, it seems to me what is professed here and expected by overseas governments, do not match at all.)  What I’ve learnt is that SA "international" qualification or uni degree means you can freely study/work in rest of Africa with your SA qualification, if you should choose that route but leaving the continent – no-no – your qualification becomes conditional. ??? Kapish?   

Also, no proof of copy accepted if done by SAPS, which is kind of funny if you think about it – it should all be done by commissioner of oaths. As I’ve said, no trust – you’re considered guilty until proven innocent.   It’s been a steep learning curve, unexpected and amazing - I should write a book.
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Post by: Patrick on January 11, 2019, 03:18:24 pm
Good here too. Wow MP that sounds a lot more difficult than I actually thought. Something to think about for when my sons decides he wants to study.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 14, 2019, 09:23:05 am
Oh boy, just saw last year’s challenge results brutal hey? – Well done Sunny.
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 14, 2019, 09:26:04 am
No worries though, new year – clean slate, we’ll start again. ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2019, 11:49:55 am
OK, how do I get to the Dollar based Investor Challenge ?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2019, 11:53:00 am
jaDEB, just read the e mail you knob ...
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Post by: Patrick on January 14, 2019, 01:23:59 pm
Haha right. I should probably put a link here somewhere. Maybe on the home page...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 14, 2019, 01:40:51 pm
That will be awesome
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Post by: Patrick on January 14, 2019, 01:42:31 pm
done
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Post by: gcr on January 14, 2019, 04:40:52 pm
Patrick - over a few days when you have idle fingers - could you rank the best ETF (top 10 would be great) over a 13, 25 and 37 months. It may be easier to create 3 tables for the 3 periods - it should show the constantly satisfactory performers versus the one hit wonders. It could give us investors some sort of direction the achievers are going but can also use these ETF in our personal portfolios

If you have idle time :))
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 14, 2019, 07:05:40 pm
Haha, if you have  idle time, good one G ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2019, 11:40:35 am
Sorry, P, I cnnot find it on front page. Is I missing something
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2019, 04:39:51 pm
We do not discuss shares anymore here :'(
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2019, 04:40:48 pm
I will start, Netflieks and BAT is looking good today
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Post by: Patrick on January 15, 2019, 05:18:20 pm
Made a turbo challenge. See if you can time the market compressing 20 years into 60 seconds using real S&P 500 data: https://theinvestorchallenge.com/games/com_timing.php Would love some feedback please.
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Post by: hackquin on January 15, 2019, 08:22:26 pm
That turbo challenge is great for getting a feel for the effect of compounding. Interesting game!
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Post by: Orca on January 15, 2019, 09:12:12 pm
After a few tries I got this: You beat the index, that's pretty rare! Try again to see if you can repeat that.
Beat it at over $68k but only because I remembered when to sell and buy. I would have lost miserably by trying to time the market as you know with my CML. Could have made a cool R12M if I had just stayed in.
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2019, 12:20:17 pm
Okay so now the Turbo challenge has a leaderboard too, and guess what, I'm in the lead! https://theinvestorchallenge.com/com_stats_turbo.php
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Post by: Orca on January 16, 2019, 01:29:34 pm
 Such a cool game. Much like FX scalping. :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on January 16, 2019, 02:03:33 pm
:) I see you beat me on the leaderboard already :(
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Post by: Bevan on January 17, 2019, 08:36:16 pm
Patrick, how about a little test? Would you be able to throw a MACD indicator on there. Say 3 (Fast EMA), 9 (Slow EMA), 21 (Signal Line). Would be interested to see how performance improves, or not...
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Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2019, 08:13:04 am
No problem with that, but I'm going to have to go and figure out what a MACD is now :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on January 18, 2019, 09:15:48 am
A quarter pounder or technical indicator, can go both ways – you choose. ;)
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Post by: Patrick on January 18, 2019, 09:54:54 am
Haha, the first is far easier to include on the chart. Maybe not quite as useful.
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Post by: hackquin on January 18, 2019, 04:56:25 pm
With the game being this fast, I'm pretty sure performance will drop. If you do add any indicators, I think the best tool will be the off button on the indicators haha
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Post by: stefan17theron on January 19, 2019, 02:41:26 pm
Hi everyone, can someone please give me some advice and help that is using Interactive Brokers.
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Post by: RayRay on January 21, 2019, 09:08:27 am
Quick question: Money Market Unit Trust fund yield/distribution, is it considered interest? Or dividends?
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Post by: Maurice on January 21, 2019, 09:44:29 am
Will Brexit vote tonight effect the JSE?  
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2019, 09:59:37 am
@stefan, I responded to your email query but if anyone else is wondering, I use either RandSwiss or ClickFX to move funds offshore. Stay a million km away from banks when doing that, they'll charge you three times what you should be paying.
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2019, 10:00:10 am
Trying a new quick game here, if you guys would like to test and give some feedback before it goes live pls: https://theinvestorchallenge.com/games/com_game_monthly.php
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Post by: jaDEB on January 21, 2019, 04:16:28 pm
This graph represents the timeframe from January 1871 to January 1891. Is that right ?
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Post by: Patrick on January 21, 2019, 05:12:53 pm
Yeah, I have data going back to January 1871 plugged in there.
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 21, 2019, 10:26:11 pm
pretty neatr
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Post by: PlatinumWealth.co.za on January 21, 2019, 10:26:15 pm
neat*
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Post by: Patrick on January 23, 2019, 11:23:33 am
Both of the quick games now include quaterly dividends. That maks it even harder to try time the market: https://theinvestorchallenge.com/quick-games/
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Post by: jaDEB on January 24, 2019, 02:17:29 pm
What is dividends ?
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Post by: Patrick on January 24, 2019, 03:05:51 pm
S&P 500 dividends for the quick games on the US site.
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Post by: Bevan on January 27, 2019, 07:30:27 am
No problem with that, but I'm going to have to go and figure out what a MACD is now :)

Still no MACD Patrick? I bet you I could improve my timing significantly with just a simple MACD. Here's how to do it in Excel:
http://investexcel.net/how-to-calculate-macd-in-excel/

MACD's are neat for seeing alignments in timing between fast and slow money, and which moves are more trusted. Simple harmonics and nature loves harmonics and spirals, probably because no-one can escape the Coriolis force on this planet. But now am getting into the quadrivium and sacred geometry and everyone is probably snoozing off. Unless you follow Pythagorus' as well.....

Bollinger bands would also be useful. Simple standard deviation stuff. Bollingers are like the elastic bands of a market, telling you when they're too stretched and need to come back within normal ranges. All very basic human nature stuff.
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Post by: Patrick on January 27, 2019, 11:33:48 pm
Lol haven't even looked at it yet, but I'll give it a try once soon, I have a staycation coming up in Feb.
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2019, 11:50:51 am
WhAt is HaPPeninG at EOH ? down another 27%
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Post by: conjam on February 12, 2019, 12:49:28 pm
"EOH says Microsoft did not give any reasons for terminating the agreements"
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Post by: jaDEB on February 12, 2019, 01:52:36 pm
Thanks . . .
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Post by: gcr on February 15, 2019, 06:43:39 pm
Wow - mine seems to be how the mighty have fallen. 2 place to go and I will be plumb last on the table :)) :)). Whereas a few weeks ago I got to about position 3 :money: :money:. Guess I need to buy a bucket load of Steinhoff, Taste or Grande Parade next month :LHST: :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on February 20, 2019, 04:23:57 pm
Look on the bright side Greaham, you didn't buy EOH!
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Post by: gcr on February 20, 2019, 04:43:57 pm
Look on the bright side Greaham, you didn't buy EOH!
No but I did hold Steinhoff and sold out at a profit. And then bought in a large parcel at R 1.86 all inclusive - need my head read :LHST:
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Post by: jaDEB on February 21, 2019, 08:59:22 am
I did @ R20 Rant. EOH
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Post by: Orca on February 26, 2019, 02:44:50 pm
Futures trading such as SSF's, CFD's and FX at margin is not taxable in many countries such as the UK as it is considered as gambling. What about SA?
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Post by: gcr on February 26, 2019, 03:54:33 pm
I dabbled in CFD in about 2005/2006 and then stopped - the reason being that they are short term contracts and as such SARS then saw this as trading. If you are categorized as a trader then SARS treat profits as income and you are tax accordingly, and if you really do well (ha ha) you could fall into the super bracket taxpayer. Also when I engaged with SARS to understand the ramifications of being a categorized as a trader you would have great difficulty convincing them that you could be a trader and an investor at the same time . I also raised the question of partitioning a portfolio into 2 components "trading" and "investing" - investing you have to hold the shares for 3 years to be categorized as an investor. When we had the crash 2007/2008 I sold out much of my portfolio some in time others not so lucky - but I still kept my status as an investor. Another "trick" I learnt was that you buy a sizeable parcel of shares and you trade within this parcel based on the shares volatility but tax year to tax year your holdings stay at the original purchase. However over the ears I have stopped doing this because my stockbroker now sends comprehensive documentation to SARS and their investigators will (if you are on their radar) interrogate your transactions on the transaction listing report.
One type of share dealings that seems to have either disappeared or doesn't seem popular anymore is installment shares. In 2005 and 2006 I built up my share portfolio this way - you bought x number of shares in a company (at trading prices) but only paid 55% up front the balance you could defer for one year - this gave you the opportunity to see the direction of the shares - if increasing in price you paid at the original agreed price and could then sell at the higher current price and make a small profit or large profit if it took off. Haven't checked lately whether they are still available though
Be very wary with SSF's and CFD's - in about 2006 I lost some R35 k in the space of 2 days so it really is gambling at the high end and as all casinos know the tables are loaded against the gambler   
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Post by: Orca on February 26, 2019, 05:39:08 pm
The reason I mentioned this was because of that lucky lotto winner. As he is not a full time gambler he does not need to pay tax on his windfall.
If he does then all lotto players can book their losses to offset future winnings. This is the reason UK does not tax futures on margin. Most people loose and would book the losses.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 27, 2019, 03:47:23 pm
Futures trading such as SSF's, CFD's and FX at margin is not taxable in many countries such as the UK as it is considered as gambling. What about SA?

Not sure if I am reading this right - but spread betting is not taxed, but CFDs are taxed in the UK.
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Post by: Orca on February 27, 2019, 05:03:33 pm
In the UK, CFDs, forex and spread betting are classed as ‘speculative’. As no underlying asset is actually owned, these derivatives escape Capital Gains Tax and HMRC view income derived from this speculation as tax-free. Individuals who class themselves as ‘trading for a living’ may need to pay income tax, but in general, profits are not liable for tax.
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on February 28, 2019, 05:23:21 pm
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The main difference is the way they are treated for tax– spread bets are free from capital gains tax in the UK *, while CFDs are not. CFD trading is not tax free in the UK, while spread betting is. CFD equity trades ask for a commission – spread bets on shares do not.

you have a link? Everywhere I look says the above?
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Post by: Orca on March 01, 2019, 09:50:36 am
https://www.daytrading.com/taxes
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on March 01, 2019, 04:24:17 pm
cheers Orca - everwhere else say differently. Like the tax free nature of spreadbetting but they seem to be for day trading only as the close at the end of the day and need to be rolled over and as I am more a swing trader, CFDs make more sense.
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2019, 04:59:27 pm
Seems like time to look at STXIND again.
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Post by: Bread on March 08, 2019, 06:50:11 am
What's your view on the ZAR/USD?

I reckon it gonna strengthen again after the hoohaa over our Reserve Bank being nationalised blows over.
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Post by: Orca on March 08, 2019, 10:11:20 am
Nationalising the Reserve Bank is already known so it must be pricing it in now. International best practice is for the state to own central banks anyway. The weakening zar is now mostly due to the electricity price increase and the strengthening of the dollar.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 08, 2019, 04:21:21 pm
Man the casualties on JSE is getting bad, APN, BLU, EOH and ELB
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2019, 08:12:38 pm
SNH too. I would have never guessed those in a million years.
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Post by: gcr on March 10, 2019, 08:38:09 am
Oh - the list is much longer than these few:-
Off my portfolio alone;
ADI, CML, DCP, IPL, L4L, RFG, RFL, SYG,  - all 20% or more down on original purchase price.
My view is that politics is getting in the way of good business practices and having a major depressing effect on the economy, and the ability of business to function in such negative environs.
Hardly a day goes by where we don't hear some or other depressing economic story, looting by politicians or interference in the lives of South African, and yet the landscape is littered with thieving, fraud and wholesale treasonable acts and yet nobody goes to jail for their crimes.
Sad state of affairs indeed 
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on March 11, 2019, 08:11:24 am
WHL, SHP, BTI, BAT, TBR, TBS, ANH you can just go on and on.

Way harder to actually find stocks that have grown over the last 3-4 years bar mining stocks. Capitec? err, anyone else?
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Post by: gcr on March 11, 2019, 09:31:28 am
Fortunately I also hold AVI;CLS; BVT; CSB; MRP; STXIND - for many years and they have been my bacon savers :-*
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Post by: gcr on March 11, 2019, 07:11:40 pm
Quite sad state of affairs our JSE - on the current chart from position 74 upwards all competitors are showing negative results on their portfolios
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Post by: Fintentional on March 12, 2019, 03:45:10 pm
Greetings all. I'm a total newbie to investing and stumbled across this site after reading one of Stealthy Wealth's posts. I've found it to be invaluable. I have some serious catching up to do - no retiring early for me! Looking forward to learning from this forum.
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Post by: jaDEB on March 13, 2019, 08:52:55 am
Welcome :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2019, 12:38:11 pm
Bought some Amazon on Friday :)
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Post by: Bread on March 18, 2019, 04:46:44 pm
Patrick me lad.

We need to talk
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Post by: Bread on March 18, 2019, 07:01:21 pm
Thanks buddy.

That looks way better  :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on March 18, 2019, 07:14:07 pm
No idea what that was about bread. I'm in Beira with no power, no mobile networks and too much water that won't stop rising. Trying to connect people to a tiny satellite link so they can try find more rescue helicopters before even more villages end up underwater.
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Post by: Bread on March 18, 2019, 08:43:44 pm
Oh my word. Sorry to hear. It's too trivial to mention now but BHP's price was 0 which put me and ol' Pansie at -99% in the Investor Challenge but it's all good now.
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 25, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
Hey buddies, what’s up?  :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on March 25, 2019, 07:57:31 pm
Oh no P, hope you are okay.
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Post by: Neonroids on March 27, 2019, 05:10:52 pm
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Post by: Neonroids on March 27, 2019, 05:13:13 pm
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Post by: Orca on March 27, 2019, 10:55:38 pm
Another member ran out of ink.
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Post by: gcr on March 27, 2019, 11:16:27 pm
Another member ran out of ink.
Nay - its invisible ink - just need to stroke it gently :LHST:
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Post by: Bread on March 29, 2019, 12:11:11 am
Another member ran out of ink.

 :D
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Post by: Bread on March 29, 2019, 01:01:00 am
Directors piling into NPN with pension, family trust and employee incentive funds.

 :money:
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2019, 12:15:21 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on April 03, 2019, 03:39:16 pm
No blog post this month. I've been working 14 hours days since I got to Beira, haven't had a day off since the 11th and won't until the 16th when I get a break to go home...
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Post by: Orca on April 03, 2019, 05:44:47 pm
No sweat. You doing good work pal. :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on April 05, 2019, 09:40:14 am
So here's a video of how my team and I spent our day yesterday: https://twitter.com/WFP_Africa/status/1113878849681489923?s=19
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Post by: Bread on April 05, 2019, 10:04:06 am
So here's a video of how my team and I spent our day yesterday: https://twitter.com/WFP_Africa/status/1113878849681489923?s=19

Wow
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Post by: Orca on April 08, 2019, 12:42:23 pm
My Reuters charting has disappeared. Anyone have free charting website? jaDEB, I know you have.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 08, 2019, 12:56:45 pm
Tradingview.com
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Post by: Orca on April 08, 2019, 02:14:31 pm
Thanks.  :TU:
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Post by: stefan17theron on April 09, 2019, 11:43:15 am
Hi everyone just like some advise, I trade Us stocks only and only trade short to medium term.  How would you actually go about, declaring the profits to SARS, what form do you need to fill in, can you do it on your efilling? Do you declare it quarterly or annually? There is not allot of info on how to do this on the net and the last thing I need is to get into trouble with SARS.
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Post by: Orca on April 09, 2019, 07:25:43 pm
@Stefan. Check the thread. "Investing in US stocks".
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Post by: stefan17theron on April 09, 2019, 09:23:10 pm
Thanks Orca
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Post by: jaDEB on April 18, 2019, 10:52:12 am
Monsie is kicking a$$ in the IC Nice
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Post by: Shi on April 19, 2019, 07:45:31 am
Monsie is kicking a$$ in the IC Nice

Yip, well done, 2 great calls! I wouldn't be surprised if he is on top for a very long time.
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Post by: [email protected] on April 22, 2019, 12:28:08 pm
Hi everyone just like some advise, I trade Us stocks only and only trade short to medium term.  How would you actually go about, declaring the profits to SARS, what form do you need to fill in, can you do it on your efilling? Do you declare it quarterly or annually? There is not allot of info on how to do this on the net and the last thing I need is to get into trouble with SARS.

Declared annually on your IT 12 income tax return via EFiling
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Post by: Orca on April 22, 2019, 05:18:11 pm
Trading activities = 1

Cost of Sales: Stock moved for the year.

Opening stocks plus purchases less closing stock. Fill this amount in COS.

Sales: Total stocks sold as per broker IRP year end note.

That's it. The SARS programme will do the rest. Expenses are not recorded as the brokers note uses the "Due by you" and "Due to you" amounts that already incorporates the expenses. Simple.



 
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Post by: Orca on May 02, 2019, 09:50:20 pm
Don't like the UK anymore. It is not like SA. Went to the indoor pool today and the life guard caught me peeing in the pool. He shouted so loud I nearly fell in.
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Post by: Orca on May 06, 2019, 07:43:36 pm
My wife was so sick today that I had to carry her to the kitchen to make me coffee.
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Post by: gcr on May 06, 2019, 09:33:38 pm
Orca - stay in pomm land - you sound so much like Andy Capp  :LHST:
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Post by: Orca on May 07, 2019, 10:12:48 am
Just trying to get some response on this website as it seems dead. Patrick has not given me any money this month and I have no access to the US comp for a week now.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 07, 2019, 11:05:59 am
Ping ... Ping ...
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Post by: Patrick on May 08, 2019, 07:28:21 pm
Lol. Hey Orca, your money is there, your sitting on R200k of cash, I just haven't had a chance to send out any emails, still in Mozambique feeling with these damn cyclones! let me know what's up with the US comp, it should be working fine.
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Post by: Patrick on May 08, 2019, 07:28:43 pm
*dealing with cyclones
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Post by: Orca on May 08, 2019, 08:27:44 pm
Thanks P. It's working fine now.
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Post by: George on May 09, 2019, 05:14:37 pm
Hey H8rlequin... putting all of  your eggs in 1 basket isn`t  good for business... hahaha.
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Post by: Bread on May 11, 2019, 02:15:36 pm
Don't like the UK anymore. It is not like SA. Went to the indoor pool today and the life guard caught me peeing in the pool. He shouted so loud I nearly fell in.

  :D
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Post by: Bread on May 11, 2019, 02:30:50 pm
Speaking of Beira......

One of the systems we use in Search and Rescue is SARSAT. To keep it calibrated we use dummy sites at various points around the world. One's at the magnetic north pole, another's in the Azores and another's in the Canary Islands. On the 9th May an incident on the northern tip of Madagascar triggered a satellite detection, as did an event in Cape Town, as did an event at sea, as did an event at an airport. And then I noticed that a line drawn from the magnetic north pole through the Azores through the Canary Islands intercepts the line drawn from the incident in Madagascar through the 2 incidents on land to the incident at sea. That line interception occurred in Beira,

Weird, hey?
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Post by: Oversix on May 13, 2019, 10:05:31 am
Just saw on Mybroadband that Mexem is now in SA, any one used them before?
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Post by: Patrick on May 13, 2019, 04:14:38 pm
@Bread, what type of incidents are they? Is it a device with a panic button like a spot tracker?
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2019, 08:45:15 pm
@Bread, what type of incidents are they? Is it a device with a panic button like a spot tracker?

Patrick, they are aircraft and ship and personnel devices. It's a beacon that's activated either automatically or manually. Aircraft and ship beacons can look exactly the same but differ according to when it was manufactured. The panic button/spot trackers we call Personal Locator Beacons. Maybe you guys have some? Is there an ID consisting of 15 letters and numbers on it somewhere near the top?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 14, 2019, 04:41:36 pm
cAN HE HELP with the Trade war between Trump and China. Thanks in advanced
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Post by: Bevan on May 14, 2019, 08:57:10 pm
Hey Musa, I didn't realise there were herbs on the moon. Just goes to show you, you learn something new every day.  :))  Seriously though, does anyone really fall for this crap?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 15, 2019, 11:51:25 am
Tiensent results looking good :)
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Post by: SirDieALot on May 16, 2019, 12:00:44 pm
I wonder is it time to sell btc now?
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Post by: jaDEB on May 16, 2019, 03:16:51 pm
I buy every month - payday. :) in real life not IC. You can laugh, it does not matter. My goals do not care how I feel :)
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Post by: SirDieALot on May 16, 2019, 04:33:21 pm
i buy eth rather i feel like btc is a bit over priced for the utility.
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Post by: jaDEB on May 17, 2019, 10:26:30 am
Nice :)
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Post by: Bevan on May 19, 2019, 04:30:55 pm
ETH definitely the better choice from a utility perspective. Ripple even better if you believe that financial insto's are going to support any of them. But then again, if they do, they would rather build their own. So I don't think we've seen the killer app in blockchain emerge yet. Meanwhile, BTC will be what the crowd (read "dumb money") follows and buys into. It has the lowest utility but highest FOMO and Fear and Greed factors, so expect it to also have the highest vol going forward. The days of puberty and HODL are past now, and crypto has become a trader's dream. Most of the black boxes are clearly MACD / momentum driven in their algo designs so it's easy to sell high and buy low on momentum, not price. Wish there was someone bold enough to offer long dated options but most of the CFD providers (IG etc) are too scared because vol levels are so high.
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Post by: Bevan on May 19, 2019, 04:37:56 pm
ETH and BTC both clearly very overbought and over-extended now. But weekly and daily momentum are still positive so no reason to sell. Just bring stop losses in quite close. This week could see some fast, gappy corrections so perhaps set guaranteed stops around 5% lower. If stopped out you probably want to look for an opportunity to re-enter on the long side, but we could see up to a 20% correction, so watch daily and 30-min momentum for timing.
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Post by: Bevan on May 19, 2019, 04:42:51 pm
BTC on the Investor Challenge is also quoted in ZAR and the Runt looks like it's in weakening mode again. Expect 15 or even higher to USD fairly soon now. So weaker Runt and lower BTC means best to hold in the investor comp i.e. avoid paying taxes on profits.
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Post by: SirDieALot on May 24, 2019, 12:59:53 pm
i am leading again
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Post by: Orca on May 24, 2019, 03:34:53 pm
Well done. Now tell me. Did it take in depth research on your part or did you take a pure gamble? If the latter then I am the winner.
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Post by: SirDieALot on May 27, 2019, 10:38:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnJjRjmthxPCoQaAL44tR6g i watch a lot of his stuff and from the TA there I got an idea that a big move is going to happen sooner that later
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Post by: Bread on May 28, 2019, 04:43:50 pm
The big move being in bitcoin, not shares?
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Post by: Bread on May 29, 2019, 07:24:44 am
The Ront appears to be in an extended inverted head and shoulders with the possibility that it'll weaken back up to the 15.40 mark by or about the end of July and then strengthening down to or below the 13.63 level by the end of September or October. But I'm usually wrong about these things  :question:
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Post by: Bevan on June 03, 2019, 09:34:10 am
ZAR is crosscurrent i.e. short term strength against medium term weakening. Expect choppy, sideways action (wind blowing against current in ocean) until we revert to concurrent weakening again (to ride big swells), probably later in week. Fundamentally, emerging markets to weaken against bleak global risk-off sentiment.
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Post by: George on June 03, 2019, 12:23:27 pm
in the challenge we pay taxes and transaction fees, but we don't earn daily interest on uninvested cash , i`d like to see daily interest income introduced since USstocks seem to be starting a possible  longterm downtrend.
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Post by: Patrick on June 03, 2019, 02:00:21 pm
Hmm, good point George. Anyone know what ABSA and EE pays in interest? I could implement it, but it would probably be fairer to do it from next year.
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Post by: rietrot on June 05, 2019, 07:53:24 am
Anybody have an idea about what's happening at Goldfields?
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Post by: rietrot on June 05, 2019, 10:48:42 am
York Timbers  YRK doesn't appear on the list of shares you can buy in the challenge .
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Post by: Orca on June 05, 2019, 11:47:42 am
YRK is a penny stock and too few trades per day.
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Post by: Bevan on June 07, 2019, 10:21:22 am
...until we revert to concurrent weakening again (to ride big swells), probably later in week....

We are in strong concurrent weakening on the Rand, now targeting 16 to USD by end June. However, for now we are quite overbought (i.e. USD) and Rand pushing outside the elastic bands (Bollingers), thus expect a little contraction and sideways, choppy price action. Especially as momentum (the wind) starts moving against signal and trend (the current). This will form the typical bull flag pattern, whilst momentum catches its breath. Following the bull flag, I expect further weakening to the expected 16 level.
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Post by: George on June 10, 2019, 09:23:06 pm
is vodacom a good investment?
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on June 13, 2019, 08:58:33 am
Capital growth, no. Dividends yes. Bit pricey @ 120 on a pe of 14. Better would be around 80-90
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Post by: gcr on June 13, 2019, 10:02:27 am
Vodacom is a dog have held shares for in excess of 18 months and have managed to make a profit of R 2,000 on an investment of R 125,000 - would have been better served with a 32 day account with a bank.
Also as a service provider they are very tardy in following explicit instructions and keep sending "special announcement messages" and how much data I have used and can't explain what consumed the data
Pretty ordinary company
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Post by: George on June 13, 2019, 10:24:20 am
oh, well. i got lots still to learn about making proper investments. you guys are cool. thanks
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Post by: Bread on June 13, 2019, 04:03:55 pm
Thanks, Bevan.
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Post by: gcr on June 14, 2019, 04:54:17 pm
I see today Vodacom has issued a whole bucket load of forfeitable shares to a number of "executives" and whats more they have been issued at R 117.3259 per share on 14th June - current price R 125.75 and the lowest price I have for the day is R 125.38 - so how did Vodacom acquire these shares - certainly not on the open market. Seems like the "executives" got their shares at a discount to market prices. My understanding is that if the market doesn't move to the higher side then the "executives" suffer no hardship, also at its present price all these people are in the money.
If I look at the companies histogram on prices they have dropped from R 183.09 July 2017 to current levels - hence my comment the other day that the share is a dog - to my mind the company executives are milking the business and robbing their subscribers
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Post by: Bread on June 20, 2019, 12:46:50 pm
Would've bought NepiRock NRP in the Investor Challenger but SOMEONE has chosen to NOT make it available.
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Post by: Patrick on June 20, 2019, 03:18:47 pm
Damn that SOMEONE! Looks like it trades often enough, I've added it.
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Post by: Bread on June 20, 2019, 05:14:29 pm
Thanks, Patrick  :)
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Post by: wyn on June 25, 2019, 01:28:42 pm
wyn on the leader board is not in the right position
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Post by: chess and stocks on June 25, 2019, 03:39:55 pm
Gold price set and being forecast to head even higher. Wonder how much it will continue to spil over to ou gold stacks like ANG, Sibanye, HAR and Goldfields ?
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Post by: Patrick on June 28, 2019, 08:31:54 am
Hi Wyn, you need to take into account the tax on your profits. All profits are taxed at 30% on the leaderboard.
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Post by: rietrot on July 01, 2019, 01:01:13 pm
Mmi
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Post by: George on July 02, 2019, 10:26:13 am
Why is it that after many trades WealthSmith_1 tax expenses  =R250 how is that even  possible since my tax is R11500 after +- same amount of transactions  ???
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Post by: George on July 02, 2019, 10:36:40 am
oh my bad.. it's tax on profit.okay Sasol just deacreased my tax expense by  +-5k i get it.the more profit the tax is paid.okay.
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Post by: Patrick on July 02, 2019, 01:15:21 pm
That's it, just like real life.
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 09, 2019, 04:26:15 pm
😁 IRL
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Post by: jaDEB on July 09, 2019, 04:44:59 pm
Hello Moneypenny hope all is fine :)
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Post by: Moneypenny on July 09, 2019, 05:16:04 pm
Hey jaDEB 😀 All well although in kind of a funk atm. Husband already in NZ, me still putting lights off this side, living in limbo tbh, never been "single" since 16 - i find this really weird. ☺️ How are you doing?
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2019, 07:53:54 am
@ Company I work 2 People left in last 2 weeks, New Zealand and Australia. I did indicate I will switch off the lights.
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Post by: Bread on July 10, 2019, 01:08:26 pm
@ Company I work 2 People left in last 2 weeks, New Zealand and Australia. I did indicate I will switch off the lights.

 :D
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Post by: Patrick on July 10, 2019, 03:06:37 pm
Good to see you online again MP. Must be quite a change. Which visa did your husband manage to get in on. I know quite a lot of people hoping to get in there too.
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2019, 04:39:23 pm
Amazon clapped $2000 :)
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Post by: Kc on July 10, 2019, 07:05:54 pm
looks like the s&p500 is going higher✨ hence my investment this month...
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Post by: EanBarnard on July 12, 2019, 11:00:30 am
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Post by: Patrick on July 15, 2019, 09:15:13 am
Did another podcast with JustOneLap: https://justonelap.com/podcast-fire-at-any-age/
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Post by: jaDEB on July 16, 2019, 03:06:57 pm
Netflieks results out tomorrow night and Amazon later in July
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Post by: jaDEB on July 18, 2019, 07:54:25 am
Eina
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Post by: IndustryGuy on July 18, 2019, 03:12:53 pm
Yeah, personal and not professional opinion, but I don't like Netflix. Too much quantity over quality with their shows
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Post by: Oversix on July 18, 2019, 07:31:39 pm
I still think netflix can pull out a few more tricks out the hat for one advertisement
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2019, 08:29:45 am
solD nETflix, BOugHt mORE amaZON
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Post by: Patrick on July 19, 2019, 12:24:04 pm
Sell low buy high? :D
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2019, 01:31:37 pm
Yip
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2019, 01:32:29 pm
Patrick my screen is broken again, who is No1 & No2 on IC ?
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Post by: gcr on July 19, 2019, 02:21:29 pm
Oh buddy you have been beaten by a bit coin :D
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Post by: jaDEB on July 19, 2019, 02:34:55 pm
:)
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Post by: Patrick on July 19, 2019, 04:33:14 pm
I barely make the top 100!
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Post by: jaDEB on July 22, 2019, 11:29:21 am
Patrick, when I load graphs, the first 2 u can open, then the other two needs to be download. Thus I removed message. ANy reason why?
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Post by: WealthSmith_1 on July 22, 2019, 04:23:36 pm
The change in share code affects investor's holdings and position. The MMI position I had vanished into thin air, taking the entire invested capital with it, and affecting the net profit. Is there something that can be done to mitigate this problem?
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Post by: Patrick on July 22, 2019, 05:35:08 pm
Check tomorrow morning. Just converted MMI to MTM, the pricing will update in the morning.
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Post by: gringots on July 23, 2019, 12:31:22 pm
Hi Patrick, Can/Have you fixed CSEW40?
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Post by: Patrick on July 23, 2019, 04:45:56 pm
Fixed, seems the change from CSEW40 to SMART was incorrectly announced and google and bloomberg followed it. When they correct their sites it'll break again so just shout if you see that.
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Post by: Hstig on August 06, 2019, 11:54:43 am
GFI is incorrect, been running wild on the gold price. Current share prices is over R85
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Post by: Patrick on August 06, 2019, 01:31:47 pm
Looks okay to me? Shows the same as I see on sharenet and google. Did it catch up on it's own?
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Post by: Hstig on August 06, 2019, 02:53:17 pm
jip, seems fixed now
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Post by: rietrot on August 16, 2019, 11:03:15 am
So how low do you guys think can Sasol go? And how badly is the market over reacting.  
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Post by: George on August 17, 2019, 07:20:16 pm
I`d wait for weekly& monthly chart for confirmation, i think Sasol probably can continue going down.
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Post by: George on August 17, 2019, 07:20:21 pm
I`d wait for weekly& monthly chart for confirmation, i think Sasol probably can continue going down.
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Post by: George on August 17, 2019, 07:20:22 pm
I`d wait for weekly& monthly chart for confirmation, i think Sasol probably can continue going down.
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Post by: George on August 17, 2019, 07:20:49 pm
I`d wait for weekly& monthly chart for confirmation, i think Sasol probably can continue going down.
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Post by: George on August 17, 2019, 07:21:08 pm
I`d wait for weekly& monthly chart for confirmation, i think Sasol probably can continue going down.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 26, 2019, 11:48:58 am
Is the Game system Down ? No Price updates for an entire morning !
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Post by: Patrick on August 26, 2019, 04:40:03 pm
Should be fixed now, the server ran out of space! Thanks for letting me know.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 27, 2019, 01:49:17 pm
Weird how the system MISCALCULATESshare prices, When the share Price = R2.62 The Games says R2.25 That's serious mis calculation
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Post by: Patrick on August 27, 2019, 07:56:36 pm
That was likely due to yesterday's space issue. Did you make a transaction that was at the wrong price? If so let me know so I can fix it.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 29, 2019, 09:15:41 am
GLD is 206.21 on the system for 2 says already and is 222.89 on JSE Public site in the same days
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 29, 2019, 09:17:33 am
several other stocks also at old prices for 2 days already if you want to buy bargians
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Post by: Shopkeeper on August 29, 2019, 09:17:33 am
several other stocks also at old prices for 2 days already if you want to buy bargians
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Post by: Patrick on August 29, 2019, 10:19:52 pm
Very weird and very hard to catch Shopkeeper. It's normal now, but if you see anything at the wrong price please let me know asap. This is the URL for all the prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRAKU9bjduv1icbI_0tX8WXZte5NyTUBDNGjDWGjT7QzXFQWcbUT4jaNLJisAOckeIxgRwYZSkbQuCh/pub?gid=0&single=true
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Post by: Patrick on August 30, 2019, 11:57:22 am
Okay caught it. Server had a runaway mail log causing it to run out of space. I think it's settled now.
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Post by: Bread on September 11, 2019, 08:08:28 am
Oh, to be an NPN director!

https://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/sens_display.php?tdate=20190911070500&seq=1

 
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Post by: George on September 11, 2019, 05:28:28 pm
Hi, Patrick. some shares are not updating...
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Post by: Patrick on September 12, 2019, 05:38:26 pm
Hi George, I had a go at solving it last night, wasn't around to check today, but did anyone notice if it was still an issue?
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Post by: George on September 12, 2019, 06:02:31 pm
Hi. Patrick, all the shares in my portfolio are all correct.
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Post by: George on September 12, 2019, 06:09:57 pm
except for capitec. i bought it at 1205.00 but i got the price of 1086.94  
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Post by: Patrick on September 13, 2019, 12:26:09 pm
It was obviously off during the mistake. I can rollback the transaction if you like.
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Post by: George on September 13, 2019, 03:58:37 pm
yes roll it back. thanks
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Post by: Patrick on September 16, 2019, 12:39:43 pm
done
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Post by: jaDEB on September 16, 2019, 12:43:19 pm
Buy seeds Plant them Come back in 20 years and look at your pretty trees  I strongly disagree, if you planted your Steinhoff tree and came back in 20 years you would have found that your tree was ripped out, and offer no shade or comfort.
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Post by: Patrick on September 16, 2019, 04:47:26 pm
But then you bought the wrong seeds, you need to buy seeds which are a hybrid blend of thousands of tree types from all over the world in a ratio based on the size of the tree ;)
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Post by: jaDEB on September 17, 2019, 07:27:37 am
In the IC a damn coin is a better investor than all of us.
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Post by: Nivek on September 17, 2019, 10:32:15 am
And it's not even a real coin!
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Post by: gcr on September 17, 2019, 01:55:09 pm
This market of ours is crazy and has no sensibility whatsoever. I have a portfolio of 24 shares (ETF are a separate portfolio) and yesterday the shares moved positive by + R56,000 and today - R 70,000 and strangely enough the share which has shown price growth is Steinhoff Int Holdings

Crazy, crazy movements in our market since early June this year - just wish all the politicians would roll over and die quietly
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Post by: rietrot on September 18, 2019, 09:28:10 am
Has anyone seen or have any commentary on Delta and Rebosis. The price of delta is now just getting ridiculous PE of 1. Div of 70, okay the div will be less, but still crazy high. It's like I'm the only person thinking there's something there and the rest of the world think it is going to go up in flames next week?
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Post by: Patrick on September 18, 2019, 02:25:47 pm
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is! No idea what's going on though.
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Post by: Patrick on September 26, 2019, 08:58:21 am
Sorry about the downtime, I'm taking a trip through Europe and wasn't keeping an eye on things. Thanks to DdL for letting me know.
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Post by: George on September 26, 2019, 09:02:25 am
Okay, have a fabulous trip.
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Post by: nkama025 on September 30, 2019, 10:55:02 am
Hi, is the Prosus shares not going to be automatically added to portfolios that have Naspers? This is what happened with "real" portfolios post the unbundling.
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Post by: Patrick on September 30, 2019, 12:17:41 pm
Hi Nkama, yes they will be. I'm away at the moment, but give me a little while and I'll have the system allocate it.
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Post by: Patrick on October 02, 2019, 10:40:54 pm
okay prosus shares should be in
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Post by: jaDEB on October 03, 2019, 12:31:45 pm
Why is my monies for IC not in ?
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Post by: Patrick on October 03, 2019, 04:48:57 pm
oops, I'll sort that out
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Post by: Patrick on October 03, 2019, 04:51:34 pm
fixed
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Post by: jaDEB on October 04, 2019, 08:07:59 am
Thks
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Post by: Bread on October 05, 2019, 10:00:57 am
Orca, did you move to Spain or Portugal?
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Post by: nkama025 on October 07, 2019, 02:49:29 pm
Thanks mate

Hi Nkama, yes they will be. I'm away at the moment, but give me a little while and I'll have the system allocate it.
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Post by: Pax on October 07, 2019, 03:47:45 pm
side gig
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Post by: Pax on October 07, 2019, 03:49:30 pm
Oops... posted a note instead of searching. XD Please ignore..
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Post by: Bread on October 07, 2019, 05:02:12 pm
Well, if it was Portugal I sure hope you'll be proficient in Portuguese within 7 years of moving there  :D

https://www.fin24.com/Money/Wills-and-trusts/5-must-know-financial-tips-if-youre-planning-to-move-abroad-20191004
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Post by: Orca on October 08, 2019, 11:17:05 am
Orca, did you move to Spain or Portugal?
Lived in Portugal for 5 years but live in the UK now. Portuguese is a very difficult language  to learn.
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Post by: jaDEB on October 11, 2019, 02:36:29 pm
Damn JSE must start using spillchicker "JASCO ELECTRONICS HOLDINGS LIMITED - Disposal of the Electrical Manufacturers division and withdrawel of cautionary announcement"
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Post by: George on October 17, 2019, 02:57:00 pm
i think it`s probable bitcoin will go down a further +-30% or erase atleast half of the month of May gains 📉
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Post by: jaDEB on October 17, 2019, 05:19:56 pm
:'(
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Post by: Shopkeeper on October 22, 2019, 02:23:12 pm
Hi Patric, the Game prices show R18.86 and JSE Price shows R14.74.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on October 22, 2019, 02:24:18 pm
The Game price shows r13.86 and jse show r14.74. Took a screen shot to prove.
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Post by: Patrick on October 22, 2019, 04:19:01 pm
Which share is that Shopkeeper?
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Post by: George on October 23, 2019, 04:33:22 pm
so bitcoin it would be nice & healthy for it to go  -25% down and maybe even  -60% from where it is now...
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Post by: jaDEB on October 28, 2019, 01:01:18 pm
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on October 30, 2019, 02:48:45 pm
lOOKS LIKE THErANT DOES NOT LIKE THE bUDGET SPEECH
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Post by: gcr on October 30, 2019, 03:30:33 pm
Neither does the market
But anyway we now know which side Tito's bread is buttered and he is nothing more than one of the flip flop gaggle of geese in the ANC farmyard
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Post by: Salwynne on October 31, 2019, 12:43:37 pm
Hi Patrick. Please have a look; it seems as if most of the commodity share prices are incorrect/ not updating. Thanks.
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Post by: Patrick on October 31, 2019, 02:22:56 pm
Thanks yeah for some reason the google sheet that controls everything isn't updating :( Working on it
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Post by: Salwynne on October 31, 2019, 02:50:14 pm
Thanks. Looks like it's fixed now.
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Post by: Fabu20 on November 07, 2019, 10:12:54 pm
Csprop
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Post by: Tovad on November 08, 2019, 12:57:43 pm
A portfolio in the CoreShares Index Tracker Collective Investment Scheme registered as such in terms of the Collective Investment Schemes Control Act, 45 of 2002, managed by CoreShares Index Tracker Managers (RF) Proprietary Limited (“CoreShares”).
FINAL CONVERSION RATIO IN RESPECT OF THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CORESHARES PROPERTY TOP TEN EXCHANGE TRADED FUND (“PTXTEN”) AND THE CORESHARES PROPTRAX SAPY ETF (“PTXSPY”)
Investors are referred to the announcement released on SENS on 10 October 2019 regarding the successful outcome of the second ballot voting procedures in relation to the Amendments and are advised that the final conversion ratio for CoreShares PropTrax SAPY ETF, determined as at market close on Monday, 28 October 2019, is 3.15965 CoreShares Property Top Ten ETF (PTXTEN) securities for every 1 security held in CoreShares Property SAPY ETF (PTXSPY). The CoreShares Property Top Ten ETF securities will convert in a one for one ratio to effect the name change to CoreShares South Africa Property Income ETF (CSPROP) securities.
The final conversion ratio was determined based on the issue prices of R47.10590 and R14.90860 per one CoreShares PropTrax SAPY ETF and one CoreShares Property Top Ten ETF security, respectively as at market close on Monday, 28 October 2019.
Any fractional entitlement in respect of the amalgamation/ conversion will be announced on Thursday, 31 October 2019, by 11h00.
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Post by: Tovad on November 08, 2019, 01:00:18 pm
This is in response to Fabu20 - I do not want to be stuck on 13 posts
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Post by: Honey Badger on November 11, 2019, 01:23:00 pm
Satrix World not available? Satrix Nasdaq not available?
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Post by: Honey Badger on November 11, 2019, 01:26:13 pm
Montauk available to invest in?
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on November 11, 2019, 03:42:46 pm
Badger, you must know something about D3 RIN's that I don't :'D
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Post by: Bread on November 12, 2019, 09:05:57 am
Anybody no what Clicks's dividend declared date and record/last day to trade date is/was?
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on November 12, 2019, 11:41:19 am
Clicks Div 327c Ex-Date 22/01/2020
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Post by: Honey Badger on November 12, 2019, 12:21:08 pm
renewable energy, gas production, construction leaders of LFG systems, carbon credits and a future listing on Nasdaq, liquidity for now is not great but could change, located in usa.  https://www.montauk.co.za/about-us/
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Post by: Bread on November 13, 2019, 06:54:17 am
Thanks, Nad_Inagap.

Where do you get your info from? I'm looking for a place where I can get all the divi info from besides Sharenet which I pay R120 for.
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on November 13, 2019, 11:06:52 am
Bread, I have access to Iress and Thomson Reuters (Refinitiv), but the best bet if you have access to sharenet is to look at the dividend declaration paragraph in the SENS announcement containing the financials
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on November 13, 2019, 11:09:17 am
Badger, I flogged out of it when the D3 RINS in Montauk's book were priced higher than what I thought was sustainable. https://www.celignis.com/RINs-credits.php
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Post by: Bread on November 14, 2019, 06:28:24 am
Bread, I have access to Iress and Thomson Reuters (Refinitiv), but the best bet if you have access to sharenet is to look at the dividend declaration paragraph in the SENS announcement containing the financials

Ah, cool, thanks. Sharenet's dividend page under their drop down menu doesn't work in Clicks's case as they haven't added the latest date and is confusing in that it now shows an Excluding Date which is 2 days before the Record Date. Do you (or anybody else) know what an Excluding Date is? I've never heard of such a thing  :wtf:
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Post by: maximillan.moyo on November 14, 2019, 03:27:41 pm
naspers
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Post by: George on November 19, 2019, 01:12:23 pm
hi Patrick  please correct error for this transaction 2019-11-14 09:24:15   CPI   CAPITEC BANK HLDGS LTD   -642   137318... price should be 144731... thanks
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Post by: Patrick on November 19, 2019, 03:49:21 pm
Hi George, it does looks like the wrong price for that day and time. I can only roll it back, would you like me to go ahead?
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Post by: George on November 19, 2019, 10:13:30 pm
yes roll it back. thanks
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Post by: Patrick on November 20, 2019, 12:28:58 pm
Done, you're in negative cash at the moment, so you can't buy, only sell.
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Post by: Orca on November 22, 2019, 12:55:32 pm
What happened to all the bitcoin gamblers in the investor challenge?   :wall:
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Post by: Bread on November 24, 2019, 01:17:36 am
I wonder if they sold out and bought Onecoin.
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Post by: Tovad on November 24, 2019, 12:15:06 pm
yip when you nibble at bitcoin it always comes back to byte you...
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Post by: Impi on November 26, 2019, 11:24:53 am
close date
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Post by: Patrick on November 26, 2019, 02:23:02 pm
20 December
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Post by: George on December 02, 2019, 10:00:43 pm
okay so, which is the appropriate to buy for the long term if i want to compound the growth and eventually live off the accumulation....
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Post by: George on December 02, 2019, 10:02:21 pm
Which is the best ETF?
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Post by: Patrick on December 03, 2019, 12:47:14 pm
Everyone will have a different opinion. Personally I like all world indexes, particularly VT and VWRD.
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Post by: George on December 03, 2019, 10:14:35 pm
Thank you. Patrick. i will look into VT & VWRD
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 04, 2019, 08:50:44 am
Hi guys, I've been watching ADI for a while, I can't believe the continuous slump. Anyone know wtf??
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on December 04, 2019, 09:32:22 am
@floyd https://www.businesslive.co.za/fm/money-and-investing/2019-10-17-how-is-adapt-it-coping-with-the-fallout/
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on December 04, 2019, 10:38:40 am
Ah thanks!
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Post by: jaDEB on December 06, 2019, 09:16:05 am
When must we be in cash for the Investment challenge. End of Game. Well done to Diesel & Dust....
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Post by: Patrick on December 08, 2019, 06:59:56 pm
No need to end in cash, you can stay invested
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Post by: jaDEB on December 10, 2019, 11:54:31 am
Fangs
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Post by: Shopkeeper on December 10, 2019, 03:21:57 pm
Best Wishes for the season to everybody and happy holidays. Thanks to Patric for the hard work of maintaining the game. Patric, can I buy now and stay invested for next year or must I cash in ?. Thank you. Shopkeeper.
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Post by: Patrick on December 10, 2019, 07:06:07 pm
You can stay invested, but you'll end up with a clean slate next year again.
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Post by: Patrick on December 23, 2019, 09:47:28 am
Competition is closed until next year, prices will still update until I clear out the database, but the results were saved already. Have a great Christmas and new year everyone :)
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2020, 09:48:47 am
And the competition is open again!
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Post by: ntshizat on January 02, 2020, 11:01:34 am
L4L
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Post by: Salwynne on January 03, 2020, 08:59:47 am
Hi Patrick. Some of the gold sector share prices are misaligned.
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2020, 12:51:09 pm
Can you give me an example please
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Post by: Salwynne on January 03, 2020, 01:11:04 pm
SGL was reflecting 2805 earlier this morning; I see its fixed now. Thanks!
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Post by: brad on January 03, 2020, 01:19:11 pm
Patrick how  Impala platinum could have been bought for 11135 on 02-01-2020 a jump of 30% as reflected on the leaderboard.
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Post by: Patrick on January 03, 2020, 01:20:56 pm
Yes, that one is an anomoly, I'll have to reverse that transaction, sorry krycor  :'(
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Post by: krycor on January 06, 2020, 10:26:35 am
Yea I noticed now..
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Post by: jaDEB on January 06, 2020, 11:56:58 am
SSK - Nice :)
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Post by: Pilot on January 08, 2020, 01:11:55 pm
Hi Patrick

Regarding last year's challenge. I was heavily invested in LONMIN and this was my only holding before they were merged with Sibanye. On my Holdings, it showed that it had zero value, but should in fact be changed to 0.976 SGL shares for every LON share.  I had 37897 LON shares and should have been converted to 36646 SGL shares on the 10th of June 2019 (R14-63).

The price ended on 31 Dec 36646 shares @ R35-89 = R1 315 224. Plus the R700 000 in cash should change my position considerably. (Could be close to top spot)

Could you rectify this?

Thank you and regards
 
Pilot
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Post by: Patrick on January 08, 2020, 04:48:41 pm
Hi Pilot, yes you're right, I'll go back in and correct it soon. Just one note, the competition closed on the 20th December, so you'll end up with the price on that day.
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Post by: Patrick on January 08, 2020, 05:18:42 pm
Done, looks like you ended up in second place, if the contest ran till year end you'd have won, but we always end the last Friday before christmas!
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Post by: Pilot on January 10, 2020, 01:32:31 pm
 :TU: Thank you Patrick for the update!
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Post by: George on January 10, 2020, 09:25:13 pm
congrats too Diesel & Dust...  may everybody except me eat your dust again this year..🤣
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 14, 2020, 10:00:09 am
Hey guys. I'm pretty new to investing, currently threw in a bit at US stocks a couple years back and that market seems to be soaring. What is your process on selling invested stock? Do you sell off profits once a year for example, or do you sell specific stocks at specific points based on performance and outlook? The US markets are surely going to correct soon, they seem pretty overbought. But I have no "sell" plans yet, not sure what the norms are and what I should be looking to experiment with...
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2020, 10:10:01 am
I sell based based on performance & Outlook. I have Amazoon & Uber. Will sell some NPN in March and buy something new. Maybe Apple. ps. I sold Tesla at 308, still crying . . .
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 15, 2020, 10:45:36 am
Ok, but is there a figure you set to take out when it is time to sell, or do you just re-invest a lot of it? I guess I'm talking about cash flow...This probably should be in a separate forum post :)
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 15, 2020, 10:52:09 am
Yeah I stayed away from Tesla because it looked so volatile, looks like you could win or lose big there short term...I am still happy with my AMD stock, same game I guess
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2020, 04:20:19 pm
No currently I sell JSE (last 4 years) and buy offshore. Stay invested, not take cash. Just move some i.e. Sold Tiensent and bought Amasoon. Sold Tesla and bought Uber. Still need a Afrikaans name for Uber.
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Post by: jaDEB on January 15, 2020, 04:31:14 pm
And I buy small amount of BTC every payday.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on January 16, 2020, 12:05:38 pm
Ah ok thanks! So at no point is this supplementing your income? I don't mean to actively rely on it, just wanted to know the thought process on how you guys look at it..
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2020, 02:45:17 pm
How can Steinhoff still be the most viewed share on Sharenet ? 30% Top viewed
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2020, 03:44:27 pm
It takes so many views to see the numbers properly from behind the tears
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Post by: jaDEB on January 20, 2020, 05:12:21 pm
It is sad, so sad.
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Post by: willemm on February 12, 2020, 07:28:41 am
hey guys, any thoughts on these ouks? -> https://mexem.co.za
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Post by: Patrick on February 12, 2020, 04:17:27 pm
Never heard of them. Minimum fees are much higher than Interactive Brokers (https://mexem.co.za/why-mexem/), whats the benefit?
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Post by: willemm on February 12, 2020, 07:33:42 pm
Agreed Patrick - just saw a sponsored article on Moneyweb this morning.
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Post by: Hstig on February 24, 2020, 09:41:08 am
GOLD GOLD GOLD, haven't seen a run like this in ages
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Post by: Patrick on February 28, 2020, 09:48:12 pm
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Post by: Patrick on February 28, 2020, 11:48:28 pm
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Post by: Patrick on February 28, 2020, 11:48:31 pm
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Post by: Patrick on February 28, 2020, 11:48:37 pm
iujlk
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Post by: Patrick on February 28, 2020, 11:48:40 pm
k;kj
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Post by: Antony Brady on March 02, 2020, 11:10:48 am
How do we sell shares in investor challenge?
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Post by: jaDEB on March 02, 2020, 11:29:50 am
Patrick, u trying to say something ?
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2020, 05:48:27 pm
No idea what happened there! Pocket posting I think. I've been on leave, so I wasn't behind my laptop much in the last couple of weeks...
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Post by: Patrick on March 02, 2020, 05:51:48 pm
@Antony, click on My Holdings, there's a sell button next to each share.
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Post by: zizebra on March 02, 2020, 10:53:41 pm
Hi Patrick,  I cannot find the shares for Novus Holdings
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Post by: Antony Brady on March 05, 2020, 09:33:13 am
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Post by: Antony Brady on March 05, 2020, 09:33:58 am
Reinet seems to be stuck on  price of 970?
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2020, 05:44:43 pm
@zizebra, it needs to trade more than 16 times a day and I don't think Novus does.
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Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2020, 05:54:09 pm
Hi Antony, looks like there was a share code change way back in 2017! I rolled back your transaction and changed REI to RNI so we should be good again.
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Post by: floydthebarber71 on March 09, 2020, 08:40:32 am
The world is an interesting place right now..
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Post by: jaDEB on March 09, 2020, 10:12:22 am
Yes, sure is . . . at least I will be buying Apple cheaper this afternoon. And Sasol wow down 40%
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Post by: Brendanpre on March 09, 2020, 01:52:37 pm
Hi Patrick, SGL price doesn't seem to be updating?
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2020, 04:03:03 pm
Maybe someone can help with SGL. As far as I can see there were no updates since Feb 18th: https://www.sharedata.co.za/v2/Scripts/News.aspx?c=SGL&x=JSE Didn't see a sens about it, does anyone have more info?
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Post by: Pilot on March 10, 2020, 10:41:40 am
SGL Ticker Changed to SSW
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2020, 01:17:57 pm
Thanks Pilot, will update it.
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2020, 02:11:08 pm
Okay SGL is now SSW
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Post by: Brendanpre on March 10, 2020, 02:15:31 pm
Thanks Patrick and Pilot. That means the price I paid on 4/3/20 is wrong... Could you please reverse it Patrick?
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Post by: Patrick on March 10, 2020, 05:04:12 pm
Done. I also see google doesn't have SSW listed on google finance yet, so I'll pull those values from Bloomberg, but they're often delayed so we'll have to see how it goes.
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Post by: krycor on March 17, 2020, 04:04:56 pm
Wow the leader board looks crazy.. at some point keeping cash would be better haha
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Post by: Patrick on March 18, 2020, 12:50:40 pm
Yes totally. That point would be just before the crash :)
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 19, 2020, 03:13:37 pm
I need more fake money!
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 19, 2020, 03:14:31 pm
And a really good developer that can create an app that converts it to real dough...
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 19, 2020, 03:33:36 pm
Something broke.  %growths are suddenly massive INP 165% and SOL 159%
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 19, 2020, 04:24:16 pm
Something is very wrong :/
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Post by: Patrick on March 20, 2020, 08:08:20 am
Obviously an anomoly snuck in yesterday, it's back to normal.
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 20, 2020, 09:51:16 am
Awesome, thanks :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 20, 2020, 10:14:45 am
IC is broken. CPI shows current price is R1298
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 20, 2020, 11:26:34 am
Yep.  Looks like it is picking up historical data for pricing for everything.  
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Post by: krycor on March 20, 2020, 12:19:15 pm
ya was wondering how we recovered so fast
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Post by: Orca on March 22, 2020, 08:34:00 pm
How long is this social distancing supposed to be? My wife keeps wanting to come inside.
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Post by: gcr on March 22, 2020, 10:26:29 pm
Let her in twice a week to clean house ;D
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Post by: Datura on March 24, 2020, 03:28:33 pm
Woops.  Shares have vanished :/
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Post by: Shopkeeper on March 25, 2020, 05:10:47 pm
Hi Patric, Why is Sasol R72.86 in the competition while on other shares sites R 23.21 ? Huge differences that don't go away for days ? Thank you Patric
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Post by: Patrick on March 25, 2020, 05:22:26 pm
Good question, I pull the data from google. I'm seeing R23.21 at the moment though, so it might have been someone hitting the wrong buttons
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 26, 2020, 02:53:45 pm
Both my accounts are incorrect.  I sold at the incorrect high price and it now looks like I am a master trader >.<  Check my holdings/purchases/sales and you will see that I sold my Sasol and Investec at 7000+ and it was captured as valid.  
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Post by: LiquidBinary on March 26, 2020, 02:54:49 pm
I think the script you are using to pull data is pulling obscure data after hours.  Just a guess...
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Post by: Patrick on March 27, 2020, 01:53:48 pm
Weird, which transactions were they? I'll have to roll back for fairness. I use the googlefinance function in google sheets to get the values.
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Post by: Datura on March 27, 2020, 07:54:25 pm
For me, this transaction is incorrect:  2020-03-19 20:48:07   SOL  I sold at a high price that wasn't a real price.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 01, 2020, 05:01:58 pm
Patrick your IC is broken. Sasol price is shown as R72. I wish.
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Post by: Patrick on April 01, 2020, 05:16:51 pm
It seems to be a common problem with googles Sasol price, always at R72. I'll try switch to a different source for it.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 02, 2020, 11:45:13 am
Maybe I should sell my Sasol to Google
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Post by: gcr on April 02, 2020, 07:16:34 pm
Has anybody heard from Orca and his family - are they alright and healthy?
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Post by: Orca on April 06, 2020, 10:58:58 am
Thanks for asking gcr. We kinda good but reeling from the exchange rate and a 40u% drop in the market. We have plan B in place. Will post in my blog soon.
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Post by: francismichael on April 06, 2020, 04:42:53 pm
Hi Patrick, for a friend that is able to invest from a US account, what Vanguard ETF would you recommend that is all world?
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Post by: Patrick on April 07, 2020, 12:26:28 am
Personally I split between VT and VWRD. Both are very similar but taxed differently. it depends on many things, like where your tax residence is and if you have a US social security number
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Post by: Patrick on April 09, 2020, 08:55:36 am
Maybe I should sell my Sasol to Google
That's funny :) Hope you don't have too much there...
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Post by: jaDEB on April 14, 2020, 02:53:52 pm
Are you saying I make bad Investments ? :)
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Post by: krycor on April 15, 2020, 03:37:45 pm
SSW price is broken... wondering which others are too.
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2020, 09:41:57 am
Seems okay now, might have been a temporary glitch
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Post by: Patrick on April 17, 2020, 09:42:27 am
@jaDEB, no you make brave invetments :)
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Post by: Bevan on April 21, 2020, 02:27:25 pm
Hang onto your Sasol @jaDEB. May looks like being another rough month for global markets but after that the recovery should be on firmer footing. Structurally, Brent and LNG and other products that Sasol deals in can't go negative, unlike WTI. Sasol might take some more pain in the short term as people seem to treat it as a proxy for the oil price - not sure why such a simplistic approach is taken. I reckon they've hedged their FX exposure quite nicely and they import a lot of spot crude, so they should do quite well on their forward refining margins for the next few months.
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Post by: jaDEB on April 21, 2020, 03:12:17 pm
Thank you :)
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Post by: George on April 21, 2020, 05:44:32 pm
Sell Sasol. i think it likely gonna go further south.
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Post by: Willow Park on April 26, 2020, 09:59:17 pm
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Post by: Willow Park on April 26, 2020, 09:59:52 pm
Hi.   Can you let me know what is the most cost effective onine trading platform for shares / equities trading in SA?
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Post by: Patrick on April 27, 2020, 01:22:07 pm
Most find Easy equities the cheapest
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Post by: gcr on April 27, 2020, 07:49:19 pm
Patrick - does Easy Equities have a platform allowing access to the LSE
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Post by: Patrick on April 29, 2020, 05:09:11 pm
They don't unfortunately.
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Post by: [email protected] on May 02, 2020, 08:19:19 am
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Post by: [email protected] on May 02, 2020, 08:22:26 am
How would a second listing abroad effect a local listing. I.e. MTN listed in Nigeria as well. MTN gets a third of its revenue from Nigeria which gets repatriated back to Johannesburg listed company. Does this change now that it is listed in Nigeria and that third goes to Nigeria MTN and not to South Africa ?
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Post by: Datura on May 20, 2020, 10:05:44 am
Share prices for INP and SOL are broken.  
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Post by: Patrick on May 20, 2020, 10:43:41 am
Looks okay at the moment, maybe a temorary glitch.
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Post by: Bevan on May 20, 2020, 11:39:05 am
Great interview with Druckenmiller... Never seen risk:reward for stocks this bad in this career... Fed has spunked all its firepower due to front running nature of stimulus, and market only rallied to just over half the crash in March... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKwoMuB2Tck&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Datura on May 20, 2020, 01:32:33 pm
Thanks, Patrick.  Must have been :)
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Post by: Nivek on May 21, 2020, 09:04:00 am
Thanks, watching now. I still can't get how the market has recovered when the world economies are in such a state. It makes no sense at all.
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Post by: terencej on June 01, 2020, 11:29:11 am
tgo
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Post by: krycor on June 04, 2020, 07:00:27 pm
Well the US pre-empted the corona crash using all their firepower..  well there was bigger issues afoot and a recession was well on its way without virus. Technically I’d say they still have to get to the recession impact on their economy with the quarter ending now..  so yah more pain coming. Perhaps this will force them to allow bad/weak companies to fold.. sadly though, in a GDP at all costs targeting scenario .. efficiency to grow profits mean globalization, this they either gonna have to make a choice.
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Post by: jaDEB on June 05, 2020, 02:33:11 pm
Any1 else on the Sasol train here ?
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Post by: krycor on June 05, 2020, 06:09:31 pm
Basically the top 10-12 😂
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Post by: krycor on June 05, 2020, 06:11:35 pm
Capitec also shot up today 18-22%
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Post by: krycor on June 05, 2020, 06:17:57 pm
Actually I think Capitec over few days.. thing that I’m wear about though is that Sasols issues didn’t disappear.
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Post by: krycor on June 08, 2020, 08:06:16 pm
Another crazy Sasol day due to opec limits
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Post by: Bevan on June 08, 2020, 10:29:24 pm
Thanks, watching now. I still can't get how the market has recovered when the world economies are in such a state. It makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense when you consider how much cash has been minted and flooded into the system. Ride the Fed man, everyone else is doing it!!! Just sleep with one eye open and one foot on the floor, to make sure you can be one of the first out of the exit door when Wall Street finally realises that Main Street is on its knees.
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Post by: krycor on June 09, 2020, 12:34:23 pm
Sasol falling slightly as worries about sustainable oil price is pondered.
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Post by: Hstig on June 10, 2020, 09:57:47 am
something wrong with SOL
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Post by: Patrick on June 10, 2020, 12:00:14 pm
fixed, not sure what went wrong there
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Post by: krycor on June 11, 2020, 04:27:03 am
Still broken as share price shows 3374 but googles says 13 989
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Post by: krycor on June 11, 2020, 04:27:45 am
It’s a bit icky when that happens as you kinda forced to not trade till fixed.
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Post by: Patrick on June 11, 2020, 10:35:18 am
Sorry krykor, can't figure out why it keeps bouncing back to that. Will try troubleshoot.
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Post by: Patrick on June 11, 2020, 11:24:08 am
Okay made some changes, the most major was switching back to google from bloomberg for the sasol price. Don't know if that was the issue, but it's worth a try.
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Post by: Patrick on June 17, 2020, 10:49:41 pm
ok
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Post by: Diesel And Dust on June 26, 2020, 07:56:47 am
Hi Patrick

I don't understand the values on the leaderboard?

My value on the leaderboard shows as R531k but in my holdings it shows as R864 - difference of R333 - losses on sales is -R152 and transaction cost of R13 - what is the difference? :wtf:
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Post by: Bread on June 26, 2020, 04:57:16 pm
Patrick me lad, we need to talk. According to google.com/finance DRD never dropped to 1713, down 28.53%. It closed up at about 2555, a 5.14% increase. Please be so kind as to make the necessary amendments. Ta.
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Post by: joeman on June 29, 2020, 09:08:21 am
Does the RMH (RMB) growth make sense?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 30, 2020, 02:06:48 pm
As per Joeman below, Patrick you IC is broken...
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2020, 06:54:46 pm
I need to spend some time figuring out what's going wrong. Hopefully I can take a look tomorrow.
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Post by: Patrick on July 01, 2020, 07:04:55 pm
Okay first round of fixing done. How's it looking now?
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Post by: Datura on July 07, 2020, 08:52:53 am
RMH   RMB HOLDINGS LTD   1018749   154   5830   3685.71%   R59 393 066,70   I am not complaining :D:D:D  
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Post by: jaDEB on July 07, 2020, 11:18:33 am
LOL - Datura is on R89 Million. Nice man.
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Post by: krycor on July 07, 2020, 02:34:15 pm
wow
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Post by: Datura on July 08, 2020, 10:42:14 am
something is broken.
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Post by: Datura on July 08, 2020, 10:42:40 am
was*
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Post by: jaDEB on July 08, 2020, 05:37:44 pm
But saying that, you seem to have done lots of trading...and deserve being one of the top players :)
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 16, 2020, 07:42:12 am
Hi Patrick, somewhere on the site you chatted about who you are using to transfer cash overseas. please point me in that direction
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Post by: Patrick on July 16, 2020, 11:57:41 pm
Try this Div: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EMgyU0OdmTHQQR4sdgsY0fJzzWvrRV2IOnKE_witg_U/edit#gid=160542905
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Post by: Mr_Dividend on July 17, 2020, 11:54:01 am
very cool, cheers patrick
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Post by: krycor on July 21, 2020, 03:09:28 pm
Wow.. Gold finally rallied i see and the guys that bought in or stayed in with HAR got rewarded nicely. Will be interesting to watch what happens going forward as defaults and earnings coming in ahead of elections in the US.
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Post by: krycor on July 21, 2020, 03:10:25 pm
Though thats in October-November so lots of things can happen esp with US fighting pandemic too.
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Post by: ntshizat on July 28, 2020, 03:35:45 pm
Bitcoin
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Post by: wyn on July 29, 2020, 06:30:23 am
harmonies price is nor 5441
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Post by: Shi on July 29, 2020, 02:12:38 pm
And RDF not 308. Seems to be multiple shares.
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Post by: Salwynne on July 30, 2020, 10:51:43 am
Hi Patrick, seems like GFI, SSW, ANG, HAR, DRD, SOL, values are broken...
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on August 06, 2020, 09:46:27 am
Monsie134 take my money XD
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Post by: Bread on August 10, 2020, 10:15:58 am
What's ANGLO's divi?

Sharenet is saying 459.7628  ??? but I think that should be 4.597628.

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Post by: jaDEB on August 11, 2020, 12:36:38 pm
As far as I know divvie is always showed in Cents?
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Post by: Shi on August 12, 2020, 12:06:01 pm
How does one get SUI rights shares (in Investor Challenge)?
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Post by: Patrick on August 13, 2020, 02:09:43 pm
I do some crazy calculations and run a script. Which share is it?
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Post by: Shi on August 13, 2020, 02:13:07 pm
SUI, Sun International.
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Post by: jaDEB on August 17, 2020, 11:00:31 am
IC is broken. Leader on 12062 % Growth, 2nd 8524% . . . lol
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Post by: Patrick on August 17, 2020, 04:20:47 pm
I see nothing ;)
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Post by: Patrick on August 17, 2020, 04:21:03 pm
@Shi, thanks will look into it
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Post by: Patrick on August 17, 2020, 05:27:35 pm
@Shi, done, you were the only person holding SUI so I quickly did it manually.
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Post by: Shi on August 18, 2020, 10:24:37 am
@Patrick, thanks. My figures are looking a little better now  :)
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Post by: Salwynne on August 18, 2020, 03:58:58 pm
Hi Patrick, seems like GFI, SSW, ANG, HAR, DRD, SOL, values are broken again
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Post by: Impi on August 19, 2020, 01:31:19 pm
Hi Patrick please may you reset RMH TIA
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Post by: Patrick on August 20, 2020, 10:47:20 am
Constant battle trying to figure out why the price sync stops... I'm nearly ready to give up! What I'm trying now is to embed the pricing spreadsheet at the botto of the purchase page. Hopefully that'll keep the updates ticking in.
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Post by: Patrick on September 17, 2020, 02:15:28 pm
It's been nearly a month since the last prices not updating complaint. Maybe my last fix actually worked!
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Post by: Salwynne on September 18, 2020, 08:49:04 am
Hi Patrick, I think you just jinxed it... SSW at zero ☺
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Post by: Greglsh on September 20, 2020, 12:46:10 am
Why is SSW showing as 0
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Post by: Patrick on September 24, 2020, 04:07:13 pm
SSW is fixed, it was using the other source rather than google, but it's back to google now. Wasn't a non-update issue thank goodness, I'm still cautiously optomistic that the non-updates are over...
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Post by: gcr on September 25, 2020, 12:49:53 pm
Hi Patrick , can't seem to find Steinhoff listed on the system - please look into this matter. Ta GCR
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Post by: Shi on September 29, 2020, 12:01:38 am
@gcr, shares under R1 not included in list.
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Post by: gcr on September 29, 2020, 01:05:51 am
Thanks Shi - I'm aware of that but I do hold some in my portfolio and I want to buy some more - the share should rise above R 1 as they get to grips with the fiasco - which could happen before year end and I want to speculate on the ride to above R1
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Post by: yozzi on September 29, 2020, 02:54:27 pm
Thanks Shi - I'm aware of that but I do hold some in my portfolio and I want to buy some more - the share should rise above R 1 as they get to grips with the fiasco - which could happen before year end and I want to speculate on the ride to above R1

What's your forecast gcr? Worth a punt?
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Post by: gcr on September 29, 2020, 06:47:13 pm
Thanks Shi - I'm aware of that but I do hold some in my portfolio and I want to buy some more - the share should rise above R 1 as they get to grips with the fiasco - which could happen before year end and I want to speculate on the ride to above R1

What's your forecast gcr? Worth a punt?

yozzi - I hold Steinhoff in my private portfolio and have been buying this counter over time where my average cost is 99 cents. The shares are cheap if one looks at the companies within Steinhoff group, I'm speculating with these shares in both my private portfolio and in this competition. They also have some astute directors so its a bit of a wing and a prayer buy and may take a good few months to recover to above R 1 and beyond
So speculative investing here - hoping they shoot the lights out - just wish Jooste would go to prison for his carnage and hopefully Wiese will wear an orange tie from now on just to show his involvement in the company   
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Post by: Patrick on October 01, 2020, 05:36:28 pm
Hey GCR, it's hard coded into the system to automatically block shares under R1. It would take ages to code exceptions in, but they'll reappear as soon as they hit R1.
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Post by: gcr on October 01, 2020, 09:29:17 pm
Hey GCR, it's hard coded into the system to automatically block shares under R1. It would take ages to code exceptions in, but they'll reappear as soon as they hit R1.
Ahh the vagaries of hard coding
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Post by: jaDEB on November 19, 2020, 03:51:37 pm
My screen is not working again, Patrick, who is in the lead in the Investor challenge ?
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Post by: Patrick on November 20, 2020, 07:53:49 am
I'm not a 112% sure ;)
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Post by: prado7 on December 03, 2020, 03:28:25 pm
Patrick ek het rdf aangekoop en nie rpl soos op portefeulje aangegee nie
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Post by: gcr on December 04, 2020, 02:36:57 pm
I see a bunch of dimwits are back on this site
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Post by: argentum on December 07, 2020, 09:26:15 am
Hi Patrick, are you able to transfer USD from Shyft to IB? I'm having some difficulties....
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Post by: argentum on December 07, 2020, 09:28:27 am
Specifically, what payment option to choose? International  wire transfer (not supported by Shyft), or ACH (requires a source ABA number).
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Post by: prado7 on December 08, 2020, 01:53:35 pm
Hi Patrick,can you please correct my Redefine Properties Ltd (RDF), its not RPL. Thank you
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Post by: argentum on December 15, 2020, 12:06:38 pm
Just to answer my own question about Shyft IB transfer: use IB's wire ABA number and the first CitiBank account number (minus your user number). Transfer takes about 5 days and costs $14.
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Post by: Patrick on December 21, 2020, 08:21:26 am
Thanks Argentum, I was in rural Moz for the last 2 weeks, so I had no connection.
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Post by: Patrick on December 21, 2020, 08:27:37 am
So contest closed on Friday (last Friday before Christmas as usual). Congrats to jaDEB, I think that total officially makes you a multi-millionaire!
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Post by: jaDEB on December 31, 2020, 09:03:35 am
 :)
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Post by: Datura on January 04, 2021, 12:05:24 pm
Hey Patrick.  Where in Moz?  I moved here middle of 2018.  I'm in Inhambane near Guinjata bay.  Coconut Bay is 500m north of my place.
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2021, 02:54:09 pm
This trip was to a place near Boane. I've covered a lot of the country, Cabo Delgado, Zambezia, Beira and surrounds, Maputo obviously, but never Inhambane. If I do end up there it probably means you've been hit by a cyclone, so hopefully you won't see my anytime soon!
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2021, 02:55:01 pm
Would love to hear what it's like living there though. If you feel like sending me a snippet by email I might even put it in one of my live cheaply outside of SA posts.
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Post by: letlhogonolo on January 07, 2021, 10:31:25 am
This year, I'm making it easy for myself. Just buying Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a cheat code, like Tesla
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Post by: Datura on January 07, 2021, 01:08:19 pm
sure I can send you a snippet...
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Post by: Hstig on January 14, 2021, 09:38:59 am
IC is broken
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Post by: Bread on January 14, 2021, 04:13:18 pm
This year, I'm making it easy for myself. Just buying Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a cheat code, like Tesla

 :D
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Post by: gcr on January 14, 2021, 10:07:46 pm
I suspect there is an abberation on the leader board from position 14 everybody has made losses big time
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Post by: Impi on January 20, 2021, 02:53:51 pm
Hi Patrick I think I broke AFX when inputing the dividend sorry.
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Post by: Patrick on January 20, 2021, 05:24:43 pm
I've rolled it back, you can add it again if you like. Remember it's in cents.
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Post by: Impi on January 21, 2021, 09:32:22 am
Thank you added again ... AFX is showing R0.00 trading price
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Post by: Impi on January 21, 2021, 04:07:55 pm
Hi Patrick I see linde bought out afrox - should my holdings not include an automatic sale and special dividend ?
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Post by: Orca on January 21, 2021, 06:48:44 pm
Are you guys playing again?
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Post by: jaDEB on January 25, 2021, 07:36:42 am
yes
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Post by: Impi on January 27, 2021, 09:48:21 am
Hi Patrick - Afrox shareholders recieve R21.18 per share at the time  of delisting 13/01/2021
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Post by: Patrick on January 29, 2021, 11:10:02 am
Hey Impi, is that a dividend, so it'll be taxed at dividend rates? If so we just need to add it to the dividend table. If it's not a dividend we can still action it by adding it to the dividend table, we should just add 20% to the amount so it'll end up being the right amount after dividends tax is taken off.
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Post by: Orca on January 29, 2021, 05:04:48 pm
Can't play with you guys. "This site can’t be reached" for weeks. No access to either competition.
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Post by: DannyKru1966 on February 02, 2021, 07:03:45 am
Not sure how to enter that comp??
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Post by: DannyKru1966 on February 02, 2021, 07:04:10 am
Investor Challenge
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Post by: jaDEB on February 02, 2021, 07:49:27 am
you need to log in, then click on investor challenge above, then you can trade...
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Post by: Patrick on February 02, 2021, 05:47:28 pm
Updated the quick game with the data for 2020. Give it a try here: https://www.shareforum.co.za/competition/games/com_timing.php
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Post by: jaDEB on February 05, 2021, 07:55:33 am
Patrick my screen is not working, what position am I in ?
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Post by: Patrick on February 11, 2021, 11:56:52 am
6th ;)
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Post by: Tanyaradzwa23 on March 03, 2021, 03:54:55 pm
bitcoin
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Post by: Bread on March 05, 2021, 03:53:26 pm
PSG has decided to end their offline charting provision. Now we have to pay 250 to use their quite comprehensive interactive charts but we have to have a trading account with them. Does anybody know of a good alternative?

I'm with ABSA at the moment but their interactive charting is not working and they don't know when it will be back. I would like to stay with ABSA because of their 0.4% trading fee. PSG is 0.5%.
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Post by: brad on March 10, 2021, 05:31:01 pm
investing.com or tradingview both are good and comprehensive and both are free. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on March 11, 2021, 08:00:35 am
Agree, I use trading view
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Post by: Shopkeeper on March 12, 2021, 04:40:10 pm
Hi Patric, What happen to the system showing no current prices and 100% loss and just some people still have gains ?
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Post by: Bread on March 12, 2021, 05:14:11 pm
Thanks for replying Brad and jaDEB.

But I'm looking for a charting site where I can make my own simple moving averages.

TradingView and investing.com are great but they have preset moving averages.
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Post by: brad on March 13, 2021, 07:30:33 pm
Investing.com - You can adjust the moving averages to any number you want.You must explore on the chart
and I am sure you will find the adjustment to change the number.Tradingview is the same and you can even
make up your own indicators on the chart on Tadingview. :)
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Post by: Patrick on March 15, 2021, 01:18:11 pm
Hi Shopkeeper, we get some weird data sometimes from google but it normally resolves itself quickly.
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Post by: Bread on March 15, 2021, 06:41:48 pm
Investing.com - You can adjust the moving averages to any number you want.You must explore on the chart
and I am sure you will find the adjustment to change the number.Tradingview is the same and you can even
make up your own indicators on the chart on Tadingview. :)
Yes, Brad, you are correct. After playing around with TradingView I did notice that but I think you have to pay for that feature to be unlocked. For instance, they will let you customise it but then you won't see the 2MA as solid lines but arrows on the chart where the MA crossed in either direction. Their pay version costs about the same as I would pay at PSG. Is it the same with Investing.com?
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Post by: brad on March 16, 2021, 09:24:46 am
Hi Bread.The free version of Tradingview has a maximum indicators of 3.For example moving averages:MA 8 ; MA 20 ; MA 34.
or you can change it to MA 13 ;MA 34 ;MA 50 or any other number. You can change the color of the line and you can change the line
as solid or broken or dotted.Investing.com uses Tradingview's platform but there you can use any number of indicators and you can
adjust the indicators same as Tradingviews.I hope this explanation is helpful. :-X
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Post by: gcr on March 17, 2021, 06:37:14 pm
Seems like there are abberations in some prices Cashbuild and Mr Price as 2 examples
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Post by: jaDEB on March 18, 2021, 08:10:04 am
Any one else here have BTC on Ice3x, cannot get to wallet...
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Post by: gcr on March 18, 2021, 09:53:47 am
Seems like the glitch has gone - thanks Patrick 8)
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Post by: BussoV6 on April 01, 2021, 03:54:34 pm
I'm staring 55 in the face any month now.  :)

Thinking of retiring from my RA and putting the money into a living annuity. Anyone know of a provider that has a low-cost offering where I can invest in some decent global ETFs?
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Post by: Janey6177 on April 05, 2021, 11:35:45 am
OFFSHORE ETF
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Post by: gcr on April 07, 2021, 01:13:00 pm
Janey6177 - where do you get true offshore ETF's? - to my knowledge they are all Rand denominated - which effectively means you invest with a local investment house and they do the investing offshore. If you sell a portion of your LA then you will receive proceeds in Rand and will have no access to the foreign amount whatsoever

Check this out with your current RA advisor to get full details
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Post by: Patrick on April 09, 2021, 09:43:18 am
@grahamcr Easy Equities USD account, Interactive Brokers and TD Ameritrade are all happy to work with South Africans.
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Post by: gcr on April 09, 2021, 11:46:55 am
Patrick - I hear you, but, please clarify on my main contention:- when you sell the funds are returned to your account in Rands, and your account is held in a Rand denominated region, not in some or other USA banking account
That's the nub of my response the funds are not externalized by the investor
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Post by: Bread on April 15, 2021, 07:59:42 pm
Hi Bread.The free version of Tradingview has a maximum indicators of 3.For example moving averages:MA 8 ; MA 20 ; MA 34.
or you can change it to MA 13 ;MA 34 ;MA 50 or any other number. You can change the color of the line and you can change the line
as solid or broken or dotted.Investing.com uses Tradingview's platform but there you can use any number of indicators and you can
adjust the indicators same as Tradingviews.I hope this explanation is helpful. :-X

Thanks a lot, Brad. All sorted  :TU:
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Post by: jaDEB on April 16, 2021, 08:23:16 am
Doge Coin is doing nice . . .:)
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Post by: jaDEB on April 16, 2021, 08:24:52 am
Please do not shout at me ..
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Post by: Tanyaradzwa23 on April 23, 2021, 05:06:31 pm
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Post by: Orca on April 26, 2021, 09:26:37 am
Seems like time to engage in CML again.
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Post by: Shi on May 04, 2021, 10:16:22 am
Investor Challenge (especially My Holdings) has been buggy for more than a week now. Lots of time outs.

Other errors include "Error establishing a database connection"
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Post by: Patrick on May 10, 2021, 01:19:16 pm
Hey Shi, sorry about that, been snowed under at the office. Should be fine now. I'm actually looking for someone to take over the running of the challenge. I'm low on time, and my office would prefer I don't have too many outside activities. It was mostly the blog they were concerned about, but I think it would be better to do a full handover.
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Post by: Kenton Lee on May 12, 2021, 11:23:04 am
Hit the EasyEq rabbit hole, found Patrick and now I feel like closing up the studio and going to the beach forever! lol Glad to be here. :-)
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Post by: Bread on May 12, 2021, 12:28:02 pm
I could do it if I knew how. Can I run it from my laptop?
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2021, 02:51:27 pm
Haha Hi Kenton, no going to the beach forever until you have 300 x monthly expenses invested :D
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Post by: Patrick on May 12, 2021, 02:52:33 pm
Hey Bread, it's not hugely difficult, but occasionally it needs some coding in the background to fix a data feed. So either you need to know basic PHP coding, or be willing to pay for it.
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Post by: Bread on May 13, 2021, 06:58:54 pm
I've dabbled a bit in coding. Did a course on how to create a simple macro in Excel if that's any help. Give me a few days to see if I can get to grips with basic PHP. So a laptop is all I'll need?
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Post by: Shi on May 19, 2021, 03:14:06 pm
What a fall by BTC !!
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Post by: jaDEB on May 28, 2021, 07:55:00 am
I now have BTC, Doge and SHIB :)
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Post by: Bread on May 29, 2021, 02:18:43 pm
Patrick, did you get my message?
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Post by: gcr on June 01, 2021, 09:20:42 am
It seems the current price of some shares bear no relationship to actual Clicks current 255.88 actual 256.45; Cashbuild current R 233.43 actual R 303.45
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Post by: gcr on June 01, 2021, 06:15:08 pm
Thanks problems seems to be fixed 8)
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Post by: gcr on June 01, 2021, 07:16:05 pm
Now it's broken again 19:15 hrs  :-[
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Post by: Shi on June 02, 2021, 12:55:01 pm

Looks like prices are stuck at 23 Sept 2020 prices. ADI at 117 and PPC at 53 are examples.

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Post by: gcr on June 03, 2021, 06:45:56 pm
And yet again 6.44 p.m. prices of my shares (current price) bear no relationship to my JSE prices
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Post by: Nad_Inagap on June 07, 2021, 09:53:07 am
can I buy at these prices?
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Post by: gcr on June 07, 2021, 12:33:33 pm
Place orders - I'm sure the system will allow you to do so :D

Just be careful the pricing seems to be correct for the shares currently
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Post by: Bread on June 08, 2021, 06:36:33 am
This NASDAQ is fantastic. My 3 shares went up 32% yesterday. I'm paper trading them on tradingview, with thanks to Brad and jaDEB.

Anybody have any experience with World Trader on Absa Stockbrokers? Pros and cons?
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Post by: jaDEB on June 08, 2021, 07:53:22 am
:)
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Post by: Goldengirl on June 12, 2021, 08:03:30 am
Can anyone recommend a share trading platform in SA?
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Post by: Patrick on June 22, 2021, 08:41:17 am
Just to clarify, are you trading or investing? I use easy equities, but don't trade.
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Post by: gcr on June 22, 2021, 02:28:08 pm
Patrick - please clarify Using Easy Equities can you buy/sell shares on the various overseas exchanges or are they merely intermediaries and they place all buy/sell orders and as such you incur not only the exchanges costings but the intermediary also levies costs for using their services.
   
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Post by: Goldengirl on June 23, 2021, 03:12:54 pm
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your input on Easy Equities. I am new to the forum, but not to JSE investments.

I recently encountered problems with Absa Stockbrokers which left me lacking confidence in their system and their ability to communicate with their clients. My portfolio was deregistered without prior notice and I could not reach them telephonically or via email to verify what had happened. It would appear that I was not the only client who found themselves in this predicament.

I am a pensioner and I need a reliable platform that I can trust.

Thank you for the details and for endorsing Easy Equities.

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Post by: gcr on June 29, 2021, 10:08:01 am
Seems that the current prices for Click, Cashbuild and others are incorrect in the "game" Hi Patrick - can you possibly investigate Thanks gcr
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Post by: Brendanpre on July 02, 2021, 08:45:40 am
10
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Post by: Patrick on July 05, 2021, 11:42:28 am
Will check it out GCR. Keeping the prices updated is a real pain.
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Post by: gcr on July 07, 2021, 10:07:26 am
Patrick - it would appear that the file that you moved into the competition is inaccurate and has affected many competitors standings. Not only is my ranking suspect but Orca has dropped from about 6th to 104th
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Post by: Patrick on July 13, 2021, 09:33:01 am
Checking again gcr. I've moved the price scraper out of the hands of cloudflare just in case it was caching old values. Will monitor for a while.
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Post by: gcr on July 13, 2021, 02:24:20 pm
Thanks Patrick 8)
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Post by: jayovee on July 25, 2021, 05:37:37 pm
Hi Patrick.Please do what needs to be done to undo my Italtile putchase. Thanks.
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Post by: jayovee on July 26, 2021, 04:57:07 pm
Thank you.
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Post by: Dez . on July 28, 2021, 04:13:55 pm
ppc
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Post by: jaDEB on August 13, 2021, 08:30:25 am
Bought some Robin Hood . . .
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Post by: marguerittereed on September 01, 2021, 11:08:32 am
hi Patrick... just noticed no data and wrong code on Distell. The code should be DGH and not DST
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Post by: Hstig on September 06, 2021, 01:47:01 pm
Something wrong on valuation. Holdings show R1.4m and the leaderboard R740K?
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Post by: Orca on September 24, 2021, 10:47:39 am
Wannabe immigrate to Europe?
Read my post in "Off Topic".
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Post by: Orca on October 21, 2021, 08:50:38 pm
I want to buy REN but it's not listed.
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Post by: jaDEB on December 06, 2021, 08:30:11 am
Monsie134 did very well in the Investor challenge.. Nice
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Post by: Moonlander Athi on December 15, 2021, 10:51:36 pm
Monsie134 - GOAT status
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Post by: Shopkeeper on January 03, 2022, 08:47:43 am
Hi , Patric, Happy New Year to you. Pleasse check, All the figures in the Game is messed up, it shows January's money buy shows last years money. Thank you Patric
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Post by: monsie134 on January 04, 2022, 06:17:25 pm
Thanx dudes.
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Post by: Patrick on January 04, 2022, 10:42:34 pm
Happy new year everyone. I was busy yesterday, so the competition officially starts now...
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Post by: Shi on January 04, 2022, 11:15:09 pm
 8)

Thanks Patrick.
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Post by: Shopkeeper on January 05, 2022, 10:37:28 am
Thank You Patric
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Post by: Datura on March 02, 2022, 09:44:45 am
PRX went nuts!  Knew it.  
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Post by: Bread on March 03, 2022, 11:36:03 am
Hello Patrick
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Post by: Bread on March 03, 2022, 11:36:04 am
Hello Patrick
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Post by: Bread on March 03, 2022, 11:36:18 am
Please fix my price. Thanks
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2022, 03:26:42 pm
Broken?
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Post by: Bread on March 03, 2022, 04:24:37 pm
Broken
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Post by: Bread on March 03, 2022, 05:43:53 pm
I see yours is also broken, Orca.
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2022, 11:43:52 pm
Beyond economical repair.
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Post by: Orca on March 03, 2022, 11:45:49 pm
Fixed
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Post by: Dean Pillay on March 04, 2022, 08:53:19 am
Please fix
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Post by: Dusty Mountain on March 04, 2022, 09:17:08 am
Hi Patrick, when you have the time please can you determine why all of  our share price purchases are incorrect, thank you.
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Post by: Orca on March 04, 2022, 01:43:59 pm
This is South Africa. We paid a bribe to get bumped up. Have you?
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Post by: Dusty Mountain on March 07, 2022, 10:05:25 am
:) Orca please tell us the person responsible for accepting such a bribe. Is patrick still available?
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Post by: Patrick on March 09, 2022, 10:35:13 am
Hi all, seems there's been a problem with the rate at which google is updating share prices lately. If you're interested, this is the sheet that collects the prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hvGg8q8uQ4wE7icPcq1qLmr0rbFvrMxX5B5Vx_nIlho/edit?usp=sharing Sometimes simply opening it will resolve the issues, and then the process that collects the updates will run every 10 minutes to pick up any changes.
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Post by: Orca on March 15, 2022, 12:03:55 pm
On a R500k bank loan you get 30 years to pay it back. If you steal R500k you get 10 years jail time. Follow me for more financial advice.
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Post by: Bread on March 15, 2022, 12:46:52 pm
 :LHST:
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Post by: Patrick on March 18, 2022, 03:22:52 pm
Brilliant one Orca
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Post by: Hetta on March 21, 2022, 11:04:28 pm
Some time ago you published an excellent Transfer Fee Calculator. I am wondering if you have an updated version of that available?
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Post by: Orca on March 25, 2022, 11:27:22 am
Finally things are looking up.  My stocks are flying and the ZAR is strengthening.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 19, 2022, 01:58:43 am
So, how is everybody doing today?  :)
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Post by: Orca on May 19, 2022, 09:53:06 am
Hi MP. Long time no hear. Everyone has gone. Its only the 2 of us here it seems.
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 20, 2022, 12:45:15 am
Glad you're still around :) - it's been a weird time for all probably.
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Post by: Orca on May 20, 2022, 06:48:08 pm
Yes. JaDeb is vocal here but only if his name is high on the Challenge. He is very quiet now.
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Post by: Patrick on May 21, 2022, 03:16:59 pm
It has been a long time Moneypenny. How's life on the other side of the world?
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Post by: Moneypenny on May 25, 2022, 11:08:12 pm
Hallo :) jip, time to get back on share research.  Life is good :) the process this time was hell though - have to be able to walk on water whilst jumping through blazing hoops in high heels and proof it over and over again, every part of your existence scrutinized and investigated - glad it's done. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on May 27, 2022, 08:00:19 am
Hello all....still here. Nice to see u back MoneyPenny. How is Mr Bond...
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Post by: Moneypenny on June 07, 2022, 08:00:42 am
Hallo jaDEB, nice to see you too. :)
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Post by: jaDEB on June 07, 2022, 11:33:33 am
:)
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Post by: Itut on June 13, 2022, 01:51:10 pm
santova
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Post by: jaDEB on June 13, 2022, 04:55:27 pm
Blood on the dance floor ... frikkie
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Post by: monsie134 on June 27, 2022, 07:33:47 pm
Daar vat hy nou!!!
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Post by: jaDEB on June 28, 2022, 08:33:16 am
Naspers :)
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Post by: Bread on July 04, 2022, 06:10:32 pm
Google finance is showing NPN market cap as 1 119 B.

Methinks that's an anomaly
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Post by: jaDEB on July 05, 2022, 08:16:56 am
Bloomberg also shows it as Market Cap: 1.113T
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Post by: Honey Badger on August 10, 2022, 10:00:41 pm
montauk
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Post by: Honey Badger on August 10, 2022, 10:02:27 pm
MNTK is this share loved now? https://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/quickshare.php?scode=MKR
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Post by: monsie134 on August 11, 2022, 12:06:23 am
Leaderboard is fubar. Seems to be a tax problem. All the top dudes are showing massive losses and a negative tax impact.
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Post by: Bread on September 18, 2022, 02:13:22 pm
Think I'm a bit late to the party but if I buy Thungela early Monday morning and sell early Wednesday morning I'll still catch the R60.00 divi. But sometimes there's a bit of a drop in the afternoon of the LDT so maybe I should wait and buy late afternoon 20th  8)
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Post by: Bread on September 20, 2022, 04:21:30 pm
Just managed to get in before the you-know-what electricity went off
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Post by: Bread on September 20, 2022, 04:34:22 pm
Really don't like ABSA Stockbroker's platform. But I bank with ABSA so not willing to change to another one unless it's drastically cheaper.
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Post by: Bread on November 22, 2022, 01:31:48 pm
Catch it while you can. TGA should be back up at 38000 by 10 Jan 23, or by end March at the lastest   8)
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Post by: jaDEB on December 13, 2022, 08:33:46 am
You must all have a awesome Christmas and 2023
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Post by: monsie134 on December 15, 2022, 11:05:41 am
This is where,in real life, you get into your Mercedes, drive up a shady dirt road to the top of a deserted mine dump.......load the 357 and eat a leadpill.
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Post by: Orca on December 19, 2022, 11:49:26 pm
It's just a game Monsie.
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2023, 11:12:18 pm
Well done on winning the 2022 game Orca! Any insights into why you chose what you did?
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Post by: Patrick on January 02, 2023, 11:13:31 pm
And Monsie, what can I say, you killed it in 2021 and it got revenge in 2022 :)
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Post by: Orca on January 05, 2023, 06:30:49 pm
I've always put my money where my mouth is. I play my actual stocks here too as I'm too lazy to research twice.
Small to medium caps that are very undervalued by Bloomberg and have good results and prospects.
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Post by: ntshizat on March 11, 2023, 10:54:54 am
Satrix global
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Post by: jaDEB on April 26, 2023, 08:13:55 am
The Investor challenge is showing some nice figures :)
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Post by: Patrick on April 26, 2023, 01:30:46 pm
I'm making everyone rich :D will try see what's going on.
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Post by: Patrick on June 28, 2023, 12:53:38 pm
Sorry about the downtime recently, my domain renewal went to the wrong place and then the registrar underwent huge changes making it really difficult to figure out where to sort it out.
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Post by: Shi on June 28, 2023, 09:24:34 pm
Good to have you back.  :TU:
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Post by: Patrick on July 08, 2023, 04:46:41 pm
In case anyone is wondering where I've been lately, I've converted a smal catamaran into a solar electric, and I now live onboard: https://youtu.be/YlJPHILNVoI
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Post by: jaDEB on July 10, 2023, 08:15:15 am
:)
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Post by: jaDEB on August 03, 2023, 08:08:50 am
Zzzzzzz
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Post by: lloydluvinspace on October 16, 2023, 11:40:39 am
omni
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Post by: jaDEB on December 14, 2023, 08:28:09 am
I see it looks like BTC (Non Human) is going to win the Investors Challenge
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Post by: nabiullah on February 17, 2024, 11:56:50 am
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Post by: nabiullah on February 17, 2024, 11:57:50 am
sassa